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THE MACEDONIAN DEBATE

The Antartiko Discussion Forum : THE MACEDONIAN DEBATE: There is no "Macedonian minority" in Greece because there is no such nationality. There is a small group of people who speak a Slavic dialect which is in fact different from what is claimed to be the "Macedonian language" These people are not a "Macedonian minority" as they consider themselves Greeks. There is also an even smaller group of Slav propagandists who are trying to create a Macedonian minority in Greece. ...........................................................................................Το Ανταρτικό φόρουμ συζητήσεων:........... ΣΥΖΗΤΗΣΗ ΤΟΥ ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΚΟΥ: Δεν υπάρχει «μακεδονική μειονότητα» στην Ελλάδα, επειδή δεν υπάρχει ανάλογη εθνικότητα. Υπάρχει μια μικρή ομάδα ανθρώπων που μιλούν μια σλαβική διάλεκτο η οποία είναι στην πραγματικότητα παρόμοια με τήν Bουλγαρική γλώσσα. Υπάρχει επίσης μια ακόμη μικρότερη ομάδα σλαβικών προπαγανδιστων που προσπαθούνε να δημιουργήσουν μια μακεδονική μειονότητα στην Ελλάδα βάσει ψευδών ισχυρισμών. .................................................................................................................................................................................Visit the Macedonian debate: www.themacedoniandebate.com Read footer at bottom of page
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  1. GREEK STATE EMBLEM OF MACEDONIA! >>>>WIPO http://www.wipo.int/ipdl/IPDL-IMAGES/SIXTERXM view thread - MACEDONIA IS HELLENISM-NOT BULGARISM on Nov 20, 11:38 PM
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  2. THE VENTILATOR-FLAG OF REPUBLIKA PSEUDODONIJA MADE IN JAPAN! view thread - MACEDONIA IS HELLENISM-NOT BULGARISM on Nov 20, 11:37 PM
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  3. FRANTZOSKILOS+PROSFIGAS+MEXMET view thread - MAKEDONIKO KLARINO DONE on Nov 20, 10:56 PM
    1. THE VENTILATOR-FLAG OF REPUBLIKA PSEUDODONIJA MADE IN JAPAN! - Skopianoskata bulgarian history on Nov 20, 11:32 PM
     
  4. Greco+poustides+and+Malakes+Grkomani view thread - Palitsaras Megalomandas on Nov 20, 10:51 PM
    1. Re: Greco+poustides+and+Malakes+Grkomani - Taralinga the Coward on Nov 20, 11:11 PM
    2. THE VENTILATOR-FLAG OF REPUBLIKA PSEUDODONIJA MADE IN JAPAN! - MACEDONIA IS HELLENISM-NOT BULGARISM on Nov 20, 11:32 PM
     
  5. THE XELLEMANIST view thread - Taralinga on Nov 20, 10:49 PM
    1. Re: THE XELLEMANIST - Taralinga the Coward on Nov 20, 11:12 PM
    2. REPUBLIKA PSEUDODONIJA or FYROM! NEVER MACEDONIA - MACEDONIA IS HELLENISM-NOT BULGARISM on Nov 20, 11:33 PM
     
  6. GERKOMANIA Betrayal Discovering the Meaning of Treachery view thread - Taralinga on Nov 20, 10:45 PM
    1. THE VENTILATOR-FLAG OF REPUBLIKA PSEUDODONIJA MADE IN JAPAN! - MACEDONIA IS HELLENISM-NOT BULGARISM on Nov 20, 11:34 PM
     
  7. Amazing Macedonia - English version Part one view thread - Macedonia for the Macedonians on Nov 20, 10:41 PM
    1. REPUBLIKA PSEUDODONIJA or FYROM! NEVER MACEDONIA - Skopianoskata bulgarian history on Nov 20, 11:34 PM
     
  8. AGAIN: GREEK+IDENTITY+-+WHAT+IS+GREEK view thread - GRKIGOR on Nov 20, 10:36 PM
    1. THE VENTILATOR-FLAG OF REPUBLIKA PSEUDODONIJA MADE IN JAPAN! - MACEDONIA IS HELLENISM-NOT BULGARISM on Nov 20, 11:35 PM
     
  9. Serbia has recognized Macedonia under its constitutional name view thread - Taralinga on Nov 20, 10:32 PM
    1. REPUBLIKA PSEUDODONIJA or FYROM! NEVER MACEDONIA - MACEDONIA IS HELLENISM-NOT BULGARISM on Nov 20, 11:35 PM
     
  10. GRKOMANIA view thread - ILINDEN on Nov 20, 8:28 PM
    1. Yugomalaka if Makedones were your ancestors YOU WOULDNT NEED A DICTIONARY TO TRANSLATE - THEIR LANGUAGE HELLENIC...DIP$HIT on Nov 20, 9:21 PM
    2. REPUBLIKA PSEUDODONIJA or FYROM! NEVER MACEDONIA - MACEDONIA IS HELLENISM-NOT BULGARISM on Nov 20, 11:36 PM
     
  11. Here you go Bulgomatsadonskis ORIGINAL TOPONYMS renamed by your YUGOBULGAR ancestors. view thread - MAKEDONIA = HELLENISM NOT yugobulgarismn on Nov 20, 6:12 PM
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  12. Linda how can one $hithole like Yugoslavia produce 10 different varieties view thread - of SLAVIC ETHNICITIES..COMMIE IDIOTS on Nov 20, 5:22 PM
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  13. Linda there is a reason youre name is BORIS and you speak BULGARIAN... view thread - Bulgo RETARD... on Nov 20, 5:20 PM
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  14. THE MACEDONIANS IN AEGEAN MACEDONIA view thread - ILINDEN on Nov 20, 5:15 PM
    1. Linda, the Makedones youre refering to are HELLENES NOT FVCKING YUGO-BULGARS.... - Linda youre a YUGOBULGAR NOT a Makedona.. on Nov 20, 5:18 PM
    2. Linda, the Makedones youre refering to are HELLENES NOT FVCKING YUGO-BULGARS.... - Linda youre a YUGOBULGAR NOT a Makedona.. on Nov 20, 5:18 PM
     
  15. FOR RISTE THE TATAR FROM MOESIA OR TATARIA view thread - ILINDEN on Nov 20, 5:12 PM
    1. Hey DUMBASS YOURE A YUGOBULGAR...COMMIE from the former $HITHOLE Yugoslavia.. - Your name is BORIS and you speak BULGARIAN on Nov 20, 5:55 PM
    2. And you have the BALLS to try and te your YUGOBULGARIAN DUMBASS to HELLENIC HERITAGE... - STICK TO YOUR YUGOBULGARIAN HERITAGE BORIS on Nov 20, 5:56 PM
     
  16. IN THE JEWISH RELIGION - MACEDONIA MEANS GREECE. view thread - PAVLOS MELAS on Nov 20, 5:02 PM
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  17. IN THE JEWISH RELIGION - MACEDONIA MEANS GREECE. view thread - PAVLOS MELAS on Nov 20, 5:01 PM
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  18. TO RAINBOW STHN EDESSA view thread - SOOTER. VLAXAKH on Nov 20, 10:50 AM
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  19. SLAVOMOUNIA view thread - BLUE on Nov 20, 10:46 AM
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  20. ZHTO H MAKEDONIA ! view thread - ELLHNAS on Nov 19, 11:38 PM
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  21. GREEK STATE EMBLEM OF MACEDONIA! >>>>WIPO http://www.wipo.int/ipdl/IPDL-IMAGES/SIXTER view thread - MACEDONIA IS HELLENISM-NOT BULGARISM on Nov 19, 11:19 PM
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  22. Greco+poustides+and+Malakes+Grkomani view thread - Palitsaras Megalomandas on Nov 19, 11:11 PM
    1. REPUBLIKA PSEUDODONIJA or FYROM! NEVER MACEDONIA - MACEDONIA IS HELLENISM-NOT BULGARISM on Nov 19, 11:13 PM
     
  23. GREEK%2BIDENTITY%2B-%2BWHAT%2BIS%2BGREEK view thread - Grkigor on Nov 19, 11:06 PM
    1. SKOPIANS ARE SLAVOBULGARS!BULGARIAN MINORITY OF YUGOSLAVIA-NOT MACEDONIANS - MACEDONIA IS HELLENISM-NOT BULGARISM on Nov 19, 11:14 PM
     
  24. Untitled view thread - karavagelhs on Nov 19, 10:23 PM
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  25. ELLADAAAAAAARA OMADAAAAAAAAAAARA ... view thread - All you Yugobulgars sing it with me ELLADARA on Nov 19, 7:54 PM
    1. ELLADAAAAAAARA OMADAAAAAAAAAAARA - Taralinga. on Nov 19, 9:55 PM
     
  26. ELLADAAAAAAARA OMADAAAAAAAAAAARA ... view thread - All you Yugobulgars sing it with me ELLADARA on Nov 19, 7:54 PM
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  27. ELLADAAAAAAARA OMADAAAAAAAAAAARA ... view thread - All you Yugobulgars sing it with me ELLADARA on Nov 19, 7:54 PM
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  28. taralinga esi pou xereis ta pola ke o nousou katevazei view thread - papadakis on Nov 19, 4:37 PM
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  29. SONG FOR MACEDONIA - PESNA ZA MAKEDONIJA - Aleksandra Pileva view thread - Macedonia for the Macedonians on Nov 19, 1:08 PM
    1. REPUBLIKA PSEUDODONIJA or FYROM! NEVER MACEDONIA - MACEDONIA IS HELLENISM-NOT BULGARISM on Nov 19, 1:16 PM
    2. pesna tapan i oro veselo.i curats za papadakis - georgos papadakis on Nov 19, 2:55 PM
      1. TO CURATS STON DYPE SOU, BULGAROSKOPJIANE!!! - ΑΑ on Nov 19, 8:30 PM
    3. BULGOmuchadonski BULGOmuchadonski BULGO BULGO BULGO - BULGOmuchadonski BULGO BULGO on Nov 19, 7:56 PM
     
  30. FRANTZOSKILOS+PROSFIGAS+MEXMET view thread - FRANTZOSKILOS+PROSFIGAS+M on Nov 19, 12:44 PM
    1. GREEK+IDENTITY+-+WHAT+IS+GREEK - GRKIGOR on Nov 19, 12:46 PM
    2. GREEK+IDENTITY+-+WHAT+IS+GREEK - GRKIGOR on Nov 19, 12:46 PM
    3. GREEK+IDENTITY+-+WHAT+IS+GREEK - GRKIGOR on Nov 19, 12:46 PM
    4. GREEK+IDENTITY+-+WHAT+IS+GREEK - GRKIGOR on Nov 19, 12:47 PM
    5. GREEK+IDENTITY+-+WHAT+IS+GREEK - GRKIGOR on Nov 19, 12:47 PM
      1. BRUSSELS+%96+Greece+is+perceived+as+the+most+corrupt+of+EU+countries%2C - Pantelis Vlahopoulos on Nov 19, 12:50 PM
    6. SKOPIANS ARE SLAVOBULGARS!BULGARIAN MINORITY OF YUGOSLAVIA-NOT MACEDONIANS - Skopianoskata bulgarian history on Nov 19, 1:17 PM
     
  31. AFTO SAS ARESH ;; view thread - LOXIAS MAKEDONAS. on Nov 19, 12:07 PM
    1. Loxdia! hse pantremenos me antra? Se klepash? - Loxia! SE KLEPASH? on Nov 19, 12:39 PM
    2. Loxdia! hse pantremenos me antra? Se klepash? - Loxia! SE KLEPASH? on Nov 19, 12:40 PM
    3. Loxdia! hse pantremenos me antra? Se klepash? - Loxia! SE KLEPASH? on Nov 19, 12:40 PM
    4. Loxdia! hse pantremenos me antra? Se klepash? - Loxia! SE KLEPASH? on Nov 19, 12:40 PM
    5. Loxdia! hse pantremenos me antra? Se klepash? - Loxia! SE KLEPASH? on Nov 19, 12:40 PM
    6. Loxdia! hse pantremenos me antra? Se klepash? - Loxia! SE KLEPASH? on Nov 19, 12:41 PM
    7. Loxdia! hse pantremenos me antra? Se klepash? - Loxia! SE KLEPASH? on Nov 19, 12:41 PM
      1. Erotisi gia ton Taralinga: - Nikos Papadopoulos on Nov 19, 12:53 PM
        1. Macedonians, philhellenes and Greeks - Rebuttal - Grkigor on Nov 19, 12:59 PM
        2. GREEK%2BIDENTITY%2B-%2BWHAT%2BIS%2BGREEK - APANTISI STO NIKOS P. on Nov 19, 1:05 PM
      2. REPUBLIKA PSEUDODONIJA or FYROM! NEVER MACEDONIA - MACEDONIA IS HELLENISM-NOT BULGARISM on Nov 19, 1:18 PM
     
  32. FLAG OF REPUBLIKA PSEUDODONIJA MADE IN JAPAN! view thread - MACEDONIA IS HELLENISM-NOT BULGARISM on Nov 19, 1:02 AM
    1. THE VENTILATOR OF SKOPIANOSKATA REPUBLIKA - MACEDONIA IS HELLENISM-NOT BULGARISM on Nov 19, 1:16 AM
     
  33. FRANTZOSKILOS PROSFIGAS MEXMET view thread - MAKEDONIKO KLARINO DONE on Nov 18, 10:40 PM
    1. REPUBLIKA PSEUDODONIJA or FYROM! NEVER MACEDONIA - MACEDONIA IS HELLENISM-NOT BULGARISM on Nov 18, 11:32 PM
      1. Re palio prosviga ntrepese na grapsis to omomasou? - GRKIGOR YOUR ONCLE on Nov 18, 11:51 PM
        1. MISIRKOV:"We are Bulgarian more than the Bulgarians in Bulgaria - Skopianoskata bulgarian history on Nov 19, 12:35 AM
      2. I am the Macedonian - £ΰρ ρσμ μΰκεdξνeρ - I am the Macedonian - £ΰρ ρσμ μΰκεδξνeρ on Nov 18, 11:59 PM
        1. REPUBLIKA PSEUDODONIJA or FYROM! NEVER MACEDONIA - MACEDONIA IS HELLENISM-NOT BULGARISM on Nov 19, 12:36 AM
     
  34. GREEK STATE EMBLEM OF MACEDONIA! >>>>WIPO view thread - MACEDONIA IS HELLENISM-NOT BULGARISM on Nov 18, 4:14 PM
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  35. anyone knows this jentelman he do not want to be a Greek view thread - frantzis on Nov 18, 4:07 PM
    1. this is the malakas. - loxias. on Nov 18, 11:50 PM
     
  36. Franz dymoo na Scooter edno cafe da seh razbolee kutcheto. view thread - Kozabasheeatah od Aposkep on Nov 18, 11:42 AM
    1. "Makedonija" ist the Serbocroatian Translation of the Greek name "Makedonia"! - MACEDONIA IS HELLENISM-NOT BULGARISM on Nov 18, 12:11 PM
      1. Before 1860, "Greece" ("Hellas") did not exist. Neither did any "Greek" - MACEDONIAN PATRIOT on Nov 18, 1:43 PM
        1. SKOPIANS ARE SLAVOBULGARS!BULGARIAN MINORITY OF YUGOSLAVIA-NOT MACEDONIANS - MACEDONIA IS HELLENISM-NOT BULGARISM on Nov 18, 3:02 PM
        2. how you explain this re vromiari - frantzis on Nov 18, 4:12 PM
     
  37. SKOPIANS ARE SLAVOBULGARS!BULGARIAN MINORITY OF YUGOSLAVIA-NOT MACEDONIANS view thread - Skopianoskata bulgarian history on Nov 18, 11:30 AM
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  38. aide bre budali luge view thread - chepelka on Nov 18, 11:21 AM
    1. NA MAIKATI VO PITCKA DA MOU GO PIKNISH - KURLO on Nov 18, 10:44 PM
     
  39. To President Barack Obama. view thread - MACEDONIAN PATRIOT on Nov 18, 10:09 AM
    1. To President Barack Obama. - MACEDONIAN PATRIOT on Nov 18, 10:11 AM
      1. To President Barack Obama. - MACEDONIAN PATRIOT on Nov 18, 10:17 AM
        1. To President Barack Obama. - Taralinga the Coward on Nov 18, 10:20 AM
          1. To President Barack Obama. - MACEDONIAN PATRIOT on Nov 18, 10:30 AM
            1. To President Barack Obama. - MACEDONIAN PATRIOT on Nov 18, 10:38 AM
              1. YOU IDIOT PATRIOT - MACEDONIA IS HELLENISM-NOT BULGARISM on Nov 18, 11:14 AM
    2. REPUBLIKA PSEUDODONIJA or FYROM! NEVER MACEDONIA - MACEDONIA IS HELLENISM-NOT BULGARISM on Nov 18, 10:55 AM
     
  40. EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS – Greece is perceived as the most corrupt of EU countries, view thread - Taralinga on Nov 18, 9:43 AM
    1. READ FOR THE MORONS IN ATHENS - GREASELAND - Taralinga - The fear of Souvlakians on Nov 18, 10:07 AM
      1. Macedonia and Turkey Join at the Dining Table - Taralinga - Macedonia for the Macedonians on Nov 18, 10:15 AM
    2. REPUBLIKA PSEUDODONIJA or FYROM! NEVER MACEDONIA - MACEDONIA IS HELLENISM-NOT BULGARISM on Nov 18, 10:56 AM
     
 
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.................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... ..... Who populated the lands of modern FYROM in the past? The ancient people inhabiting the area around Skopje, at the time of the ancient Macedonians, were the Dardanians, and their land was called Dardania. Throughout their modern history, the region now occupied by FYROM was populated mostly by Bulgarians. The creation of "Macedonia" (FYROM, SROM) was artificial. Ex-Yugoslavs will attest to that. FYROM is comprised of Albanians, Serbs, and Bulgarians and their language is a Bulgarian dialect with a few Serbo-croatian words. Bulgarians will attest to that and understand/speak "Macedonian". 8) What about their claim of a large minority in Greece? After usurping the name and the flag, surprise! They start claiming that Greeks in Macedonia (Greek) are a FYROM minority. After all we all identify as Macedonians. Thus, we must be the same... Some people in the Net claim 1 mill minority in Macedonia (Greek). The population of Macedonia (Greek) is 2 mill. I am a Macedonian (Greek) same with other Greeks on this group. We don't want anything to have with FYROM. We are Greek. Finally the recent Euro-Elections revealed only with their cause (therefore propably a FYROM minority) 10,000! Not fantasies of 1 million! 9) Why doesn't the Greek government recognize the "Macedonian" minority? Greek parents have been sending their children to Macedonian schools for years, expecting them to learn Greek, not Bulgarian. Macedonian people (Greeks) are already a majority in Greece, with Macedonian churches, schools and cultural centers teaching Greek and regional dances and songs. The Greek government can neither recognize a minority with the same name, as the majority, nor build non-Greek schools and churches with the same name. Greek courts have offered to open cultural centers for their minority, under a different name (than Macedonian). They have refused. As long as they use the term "Macedonian" to describe their nationality, their minorities in Greece and Bulgaria cannot be recognized. 10) What are Greece's objections with FYROM's constitution? There are two points of concern: In their preamble, they define their FYROM state as a departure from the " ...historic decisions of the Anti-Fascist Assembly of the People's Liberation of Macedonia (ASNOM)... ". The problem is that ASNOM had called for the "Macedonians" in Bulgaria and other countries to unite under Tito's rule. Their language in article 49 is also problematic (too extensive to go into here). At Greece's request they have added 2 amendements stating that they have no claims on neighbouring countries. Still, that is in contradiction with their preample, and it is to their benefit to rewrite those articles to avoid contradictions and vagueries in their Constitution. 11) Does Greece have any territorial or other claims on FYROM? In 1993, Serbia's President Milocevic, invited Greece to invade FYROM. Greece declined it. FYROM is surrounded by claims of Greater Albania, Greater Bulgaria and Greater Serbia. Greece is the only one not interested in FYROM. It is a poor, barren place with no Hellenic ties or history. Greece has the beach-front property (Aegean), and the economy differential between the two countries would only create problems for the richer one (Greece). 12) Is Greece really afraid of FYROM? Presently FYROM is too weak to threaten Greece militarily or otherwise. However, considering that: a) A general draft can raise an army of 700,000 in FYROM; b) Greece has had to fight several times against similar claims in this century to secure and defend its northern region (Macedonia); c) the Balkans are currently in a map-changing mode; d) shifting alliances may change the balance of power in the near future; The Greek state feels that the "inexplicable" adoption of an irredentist name and flag by FYROM are hostile and provocative acts designed to establish future claims on Greek Macedonia. These are the main points and we can support them with facts and evidence...............................................