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THE MACEDONIAN DEBATE

The Antartiko Discussion Forum : THE MACEDONIAN DEBATE: There is no "Macedonian minority" in Greece because there is no such nationality. There is a small group of people who speak a Slavic dialect which is in fact different from what is claimed to be the "Macedonian language" These people are not a "Macedonian minority" as they consider themselves Greeks. There is also an even smaller group of Slav propagandists who are trying to create a Macedonian minority in Greece
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  1. NEA APO TO TRELOKOMIO ATHINA view thread - NEA APO TO TRELOKOMIO ATHINA on Feb 9, 1:37 PM
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  2. MORE FOR THE GRECOTHIEFS OF PAPANDREOU AND KARAMANLIS view thread - NEA APO TO TRELOKOMIO ATHINA on Feb 9, 1:35 PM
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  3. FOR THE GRKOMAN LOHIASS view thread - ZA PEDERSKOG LOHIASS JEDAN SHIPAK on Feb 9, 1:29 PM
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  4. Greek+Ministry+of+Education+COMMENTS+ON+GREEK+FABRICATIONS view thread - MACEDONIA FOR THE MACEDONIANS on Feb 9, 1:12 PM
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  5. Franz I am going toBalm Beach tomorrow and Collingwood. view thread - Kozabasheeatah od Aposkep on Feb 9, 1:06 PM
    1. by yourself or you bring the family - garbage colection day in wasaga tomorrow; on Feb 9, 1:24 PM
     
  6. Who want's to be Greek? view thread - MACEDONIA FOR THE MACEDONIANS on Feb 9, 1:05 PM
    1. Is it possible to unbaptize Greeks? - Macedonia for the Macedonians on Feb 9, 1:09 PM
     
  7. Antiracist demo attacked by fascists in Athens view thread - Nune od Zhelevo Gjupska maala on Feb 9, 1:03 PM
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  8. Response to Greek+Ministry+of+Education+COMMENTS+ON+GREEK+FABRICATIONS view thread - macedonia for the macedonians on Feb 9, 1:01 PM
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  9. Tseli Gurkomani i Gurtsi da seh oodahveh vo izereto view thread - kozabasheeatah od Aposkep on Feb 9, 12:59 PM
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  10. Franz I like you. Ti da neh seh oodaveesh vo izereto view thread - kozabasheeatah od Aposkep on Feb 9, 12:57 PM
    1. za bratindol - me chuash on Feb 9, 1:26 PM
     
  11. Panteli! greeks are great apo piso view thread - post nune od Gioupska maala Zhelevo on Feb 9, 12:51 PM
    1. THE GRKOMANS VLAX ALSO - NUNE FRIEND on Feb 9, 12:56 PM
     
  12. CHERGAROT LOXIASS KOLOPEDAKI -VASILAKI, FRANTZULAKI view thread - Shimbo GiorgiadisTeacher in Zhelevo 1945 on Feb 9, 12:13 PM
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  13. SKOPIANOSKATA NEVER MACEDONIANS-ARE SLAVOBULGARIANS view thread - MACEDONIA IS HELLENISM-NOT BULGARISM on Feb 9, 11:48 AM
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  14. THIS IS SOMETHING TO LIVE AND DIE FOR....! view thread - LOXIAS MAKEDONAS on Feb 9, 8:04 AM
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  15. Rann's speech outrages Skopjians view thread - Memo on Feb 9, 4:19 AM
    1. GOOD ONE. - LOXIAS on Feb 9, 6:37 AM
     
  16. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RgL2MKfWTo view thread - ken leeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee on Feb 8, 7:33 PM
    1. pozdrav bulgarian! - MACEDONIA IS HELLENISM-NOT BULGARISM on Feb 8, 10:42 PM
    2. this turkish bitch is very stupid :))) - BMOPO on Feb 9, 2:15 AM
     
  17. Philip masc. proper name, from L. Philippus, from Gk. Philippos "fond of horses," from phi view thread - MACEDONIA IS HELLENISM-NOT BULGARISM on Feb 8, 3:44 PM
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  18. Franz I like you. Ti da neh seh oodaveesh vo izereto view thread - kozabasheeatah od Aposkep on Feb 8, 2:29 PM
    1. Много ти б&#1083 - селя&# on Feb 8, 4:27 PM
     
  19. Tseli Gurkomani i Gurtsi da seh oodahveh vo izereto view thread - kozabasheeatah od Aposkep on Feb 8, 2:27 PM
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  20. Mr. Nitsopoulos Taralingopoulos, Your **** hole runs behind Namibia. Can you fix that ? view thread - Pantelis Vlahakis on Feb 8, 12:53 PM
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  21. The great patriot Labro Korolov is speaking for Bulgarian TV ! view thread - Watch it ! on Feb 8, 8:31 AM
    1. NO THANKS GYFTOBOULGARE. - Taralinga. on Feb 8, 11:11 AM
    2. rasbrate bre bishina - tfoee bulgarcki koren on Feb 8, 1:50 PM
     
  22. http://xryshaygh.wordpress.com/ view thread - LOXIAS ANTARTIOTHS. on Feb 8, 5:08 AM
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  23. http://xryshaygh.wordpress.com/ ( KEEP IT ON YOUR FAVORITES ) view thread - LOXIAS 8ESSALONIKIOS. on Feb 8, 5:07 AM
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  24. ZHTO H ELLHNIKH ASTYNOMIA.. http://www.stoxos.gr/ view thread - loxias on Feb 8, 5:06 AM
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  25. UNITED GRECOMANS OF CANADA! view thread - MACEDONIA IS HELLENISM-NOT BULGARISM on Feb 8, 2:31 AM
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  26. macedonians are greeks-Not slavobulgars view thread - Sorbas the Greek on Feb 7, 11:34 PM
    1. http://www.movieforum.com/people/actors/anthonyquinn/zorbathegreek.shtml - MACEDONIA IS HELLENISM-NOT BULGARISM on Feb 7, 11:41 PM
     
  27. Macedonia from L. Macedonius "Macedonian," from Gk. Makedones, lit. "highlanders" view thread - MACEDONIA IS HELLENISM-NOT BULGARISM on Feb 7, 11:32 PM
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  28. PM responds to ‘attack’ by speculators Gov’t raps ‘targeting’ of weak EU states view thread - ZORBA THE MACEDONIAN on Feb 7, 11:11 PM
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  29. Philip masc. proper name, from L. Philippus, from Gk. Philippos "fond of horses," from phi view thread - MACEDONIA IS HELLENISM-NOT BULGARISM on Feb 7, 11:00 PM
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  30. Alexander masc. proper name, from L., from Gk. Alexandros "defender of men," from alexein view thread - MACEDONIA IS HELLENISM-NOT BULGARISM on Feb 7, 10:58 PM
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  31. Loxiass and Frantzis members of the Nazi morons HRISI AVGI view thread - GRKIGOR on Feb 7, 10:56 PM
    1. the only moron here is you - frantzis on Feb 8, 1:28 PM
     
  32. Macedonia from L. Macedonius "Macedonian," from Gk. Makedones, lit. "highlanders" view thread - MACEDONIA IS HELLENISM-NOT BULGARISM on Feb 7, 10:46 PM
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  33. Jugomalaka,Macedonians are Greeks!-Not Slavobulgars view thread - MACEDONIA IS HELLENISM-NOT BULGARISM on Feb 7, 10:45 PM
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  34. Antiracist demo attacked by fascists in Athens view thread - ZORBA THE MACEDONIAN NOT GREEK on Feb 7, 10:33 PM
    1. Greek+Ministry+of+Education+COMMENTS+ON+GREEK+FABRICATIONS - MACEDONIA FOR THE MACEDONIANS on Feb 7, 10:35 PM
     
  35. Read here malakismena provata ti sas ekane o Karamanlis ke o Papandreas view thread - macedonia for the macedonians on Feb 7, 10:27 PM
    1. Who want's to be Greek? - MACEDONIA FOR THE MACEDONIANS on Feb 7, 10:29 PM
     
  36. Read here malakismena provata ti sas ekane o Karamanlis ke o Papandreas view thread - macedonia for the macedonians on Feb 7, 10:26 PM
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  37. /UNITED+MACEDONIANS+OF+CANADA view thread - TARALINGA! ZORBA WAS MACEDONIAN NOT GREEK on Feb 7, 10:21 PM
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  38. Taralinga from the Bulgarian Tatar=Janitor and Linga=too much spare time..... view thread - Taralinga etymology... on Feb 7, 3:40 PM
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  39. xriazomaste mia allhn arxh view thread - frantzis on Feb 7, 2:26 PM
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  40. ipoulos o exthros,xipnate provata,oi likoi einai anamesa mas view thread - frantzis on Feb 7, 5:29 AM
    1. EGO DEN THA ANTEXA - EIMAI PSIXREMOS on Feb 7, 5:40 AM
    2. PESTA FRANTZIS! - MACEDONIA IS HELLENISM-NOT BULGARISM on Feb 7, 7:17 AM
    3. H aganaktisi mou me auta ta skoulika eine aperigrafti - frantzis on Feb 7, 7:26 AM
     
 
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.................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... ..... Who populated the lands of modern FYROM in the past? The ancient people inhabiting the area around Skopje, at the time of the ancient Macedonians, were the Dardanians, and their land was called Dardania. Throughout their modern history, the region now occupied by FYROM was populated mostly by Bulgarians. The creation of "Macedonia" (FYROM, SROM) was artificial. Ex-Yugoslavs will attest to that. FYROM is comprised of Albanians, Serbs, and Bulgarians and their language is a Bulgarian dialect with a few Serbo-croatian words. Bulgarians will attest to that and understand/speak "Macedonian". 8) What about their claim of a large minority in Greece? After usurping the name and the flag, surprise! They start claiming that Greeks in Macedonia (Greek) are a FYROM minority. After all we all identify as Macedonians. Thus, we must be the same... Some people in the Net claim 1 mill minority in Macedonia (Greek). The population of Macedonia (Greek) is 2 mill. I am a Macedonian (Greek) same with other Greeks on this group. We don't want anything to have with FYROM. We are Greek. Finally the recent Euro-Elections revealed only with their cause (therefore propably a FYROM minority) 10,000! Not fantasies of 1 million! 9) Why doesn't the Greek government recognize the "Macedonian" minority? Greek parents have been sending their children to Macedonian schools for years, expecting them to learn Greek, not Bulgarian. Macedonian people (Greeks) are already a majority in Greece, with Macedonian churches, schools and cultural centers teaching Greek and regional dances and songs. The Greek government can neither recognize a minority with the same name, as the majority, nor build non-Greek schools and churches with the same name. Greek courts have offered to open cultural centers for their minority, under a different name (than Macedonian). They have refused. As long as they use the term "Macedonian" to describe their nationality, their minorities in Greece and Bulgaria cannot be recognized. 10) What are Greece's objections with FYROM's constitution? There are two points of concern: In their preamble, they define their FYROM state as a departure from the " ...historic decisions of the Anti-Fascist Assembly of the People's Liberation of Macedonia (ASNOM)... ". The problem is that ASNOM had called for the "Macedonians" in Bulgaria and other countries to unite under Tito's rule. Their language in article 49 is also problematic (too extensive to go into here). At Greece's request they have added 2 amendements stating that they have no claims on neighbouring countries. Still, that is in contradiction with their preample, and it is to their benefit to rewrite those articles to avoid contradictions and vagueries in their Constitution. 11) Does Greece have any territorial or other claims on FYROM? In 1993, Serbia's President Milocevic, invited Greece to invade FYROM. Greece declined it. FYROM is surrounded by claims of Greater Albania, Greater Bulgaria and Greater Serbia. Greece is the only one not interested in FYROM. It is a poor, barren place with no Hellenic ties or history. Greece has the beach-front property (Aegean), and the economy differential between the two countries would only create problems for the richer one (Greece). 12) Is Greece really afraid of FYROM? Presently FYROM is too weak to threaten Greece militarily or otherwise. However, considering that: a) A general draft can raise an army of 700,000 in FYROM; b) Greece has had to fight several times against similar claims in this century to secure and defend its northern region (Macedonia); c) the Balkans are currently in a map-changing mode; d) shifting alliances may change the balance of power in the near future; The Greek state feels that the "inexplicable" adoption of an irredentist name and flag by FYROM are hostile and provocative acts designed to establish future claims on Greek Macedonia. These are the main points and we can support them with facts and evidence...............................................