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THE MACEDONIAN DEBATE

The Antartiko Discussion Forum : THE MACEDONIAN DEBATE: There is no "Macedonian minority" in Greece because there is no such nationality. There is a small group of people who speak a Slavic dialect which is in fact different from what is claimed to be the "Macedonian language" These people are not a "Macedonian minority" as they consider themselves Greeks. There is also an even smaller group of Slav propagandists who are trying to create a Macedonian minority in Greece. ...........................................................................................Το Ανταρτικό φόρουμ συζητήσεων:........... ΣΥΖΗΤΗΣΗ ΤΟΥ ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΚΟΥ: Δεν υπάρχει «μακεδονική μειονότητα» στην Ελλάδα, επειδή δεν υπάρχει ανάλογη εθνικότητα. Υπάρχει μια μικρή ομάδα ανθρώπων που μιλούν μια σλαβική διάλεκτο η οποία είναι στην πραγματικότητα παρόμοια με τήν Bουλγαρική γλώσσα. Υπάρχει επίσης μια ακόμη μικρότερη ομάδα σλαβικών προπαγανδιστων που προσπαθούνε να δημιουργήσουν μια μακεδονική μειονότητα στην Ελλάδα βάσει ψευδών ισχυρισμών. .................................................................................................................................................................................Visit the Macedonian debate: www.themacedoniandebate.com Read footer at bottom of page
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  1. WHAT LAUNGRAGE ALEKSANDAAARSKI SPOKEN ?? ELLINIKA or GYFTOBOULGARIKA??????? view thread - loxias M on Nov 9, 12:59 AM
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  2. MAKEDONIA KSAKOUSTI TOU ALEKSANDROU H XORA. POU GAMISES TOUS BOULGAROUS KAI view thread - ELEF8ERH EISAI TORAAAAAAAA. loxias. on Nov 9, 12:57 AM
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  3. Tell the European criminals I am back view thread - Macedonia for the Macedonians on Nov 8, 10:50 PM
    1. Metaxas+Hitleropoulos+Maskaras - MASKARA GRECO MASKARA on Nov 8, 10:53 PM
      1. GREEK+IDENTITY-WHAT+IS+GREEK 1832 - Greece was created as nation in 1832 on Nov 8, 10:57 PM
    2. SKOPIANS ARE SLAVOBULGARS!BULGARIAN MINORITY OF YUGOSLAVIA-NOT MACEDONIANS - MACEDONIA IS HELLENISM-NOT BULGARISM on Nov 8, 11:09 PM
     
  4. Someone - LJUPCHO - view thread - Za Ljupcho Shpioncheto on Nov 8, 10:46 PM
    1. SKOPIANOSKATA NEVER MACEDONIANS-ARE SLAVOBULGARIANS--> nie sme bugari - MACEDONIA IS HELLENISM-NOT BULGARISM on Nov 8, 11:17 PM
     
  5. Untitled view thread - Za Ljupcho Shpioncheto on Nov 8, 10:45 PM
    1. SKOPIANOSKATA NEVER MACEDONIANS-ARE SLAVOBULGARIANS - MACEDONIA IS HELLENISM-NOT BULGARISM on Nov 8, 11:17 PM
     
  6. Untitled view thread - Za Ljupcho Shpioncheto on Nov 8, 10:44 PM
    1. SKOPIANOSKATA NEVER MACEDONIANS-ARE SLAVOBULGARIANS - MACEDONIA IS HELLENISM-NOT BULGARISM on Nov 8, 11:18 PM
     
  7. Someone - LJUPCHO - view thread - Za Ljupcho Shpioncheto on Nov 8, 10:36 PM
    1. SKOPIANOSKATA NEVER MACEDONIANS-ARE SLAVOBULGARIANS - MACEDONIA IS HELLENISM-NOT BULGARISM on Nov 8, 11:19 PM
     
  8. Someone - LJUPCHO - view thread - Za Ljupcho Shpioncheto on Nov 8, 10:35 PM
    1. SKOPIANOSKATA NEVER MACEDONIANS-ARE SLAVOBULGARIANS - MACEDONIA IS HELLENISM-NOT BULGARISM on Nov 8, 11:19 PM
     
  9. Someone - LJUPCHO - view thread - Za Ljupcho Shpioncheto on Nov 8, 10:35 PM
    1. SKOPIANOSKATA NEVER MACEDONIANS-ARE SLAVOBULGARIANS - MACEDONIA IS HELLENISM-NOT BULGARISM on Nov 8, 11:20 PM
     
  10. Igor what will the former Yugoslav $hithole of vardar be named???? view thread - Boris wanna be a Makedona??? on Nov 8, 4:14 PM
    1. Moscow Refuses to Release 3 Bulgarians over Diplomatic Row - Macedonians are not greeks or bulgarians on Nov 8, 10:16 PM
      1. Someone - LJUPCHO - - Taralinga the Coward on Nov 8, 10:31 PM
      2. Moscow Refuses to Release 3 Bulgarians over Diplomatic Row - Macedonians are not greeks or bulgarians on Nov 8, 10:38 PM
      3. Moscow Refuses to Release 3 Bulgarians over Diplomatic Row - Macedonians are not greeks or bulgarians on Nov 8, 10:38 PM
      4. Moscow Refuses to Release 3 Bulgarians over Diplomatic Row - Macedonians are not greeks or bulgarians on Nov 8, 10:39 PM
      5. Moscow Refuses to Release 3 Bulgarians over Diplomatic Row - Macedonians are not greeks or bulgarians on Nov 8, 10:39 PM
    2. SKOPIANOSKATA NEVER MACEDONIANS-ARE SLAVOBULGARIANS - MACEDONIA IS HELLENISM-NOT BULGARISM on Nov 8, 11:20 PM
     
  11. Budali Grci od Zhelevo deca na Demosthenis? view thread - Budalas Grecophilopoulos on Nov 8, 3:28 PM
    1. SKOPIANS ARE SLAVOBULGARS!BULGARIAN MINORITY OF YUGOSLAVIA-NOT MACEDONIANS - MACEDONIA IS HELLENISM-NOT BULGARISM on Nov 8, 3:38 PM
    2. YUGO-BULGAR....Demosthenes a Hellene....YOU ARE A YUGOBULGAR... - Heres a video of your daddy...TITO.. on Nov 8, 4:04 PM
      1. How did you like the video YugoDOUCHE??? Must bring back the good old COMMIE days for you. - Whose your daddy???? on Nov 8, 4:06 PM
     
  12. Metaxas Hitleropoulos Maskaras view thread - Grekos Maskaridis on Nov 8, 3:19 PM
    1. SKOPIANS ARE SLAVOBULGARS!BULGARIAN MINORITY OF YUGOSLAVIA-NOT MACEDONIANS - macedon,Thessaloniki on Nov 8, 3:39 PM
     
  13. Psychotherapy For the Hellens of Zhelevo { Ilach } view thread - Frank Stein III on Nov 8, 3:08 PM
    1. SKOPIANS ARE SLAVOBULGARS!BULGARIAN MINORITY OF YUGOSLAVIA-NOT MACEDONIANS - MACEDONIA IS HELLENISM-NOT BULGARISM on Nov 8, 3:40 PM
     
  14. fyrom struck a deal with india to upgrade their calvary view thread - frantzis on Nov 8, 4:33 AM
    1. taralinga was send to india for the testing - top secret on Nov 8, 5:21 AM
     
  15. Taralinga ,se u6te li si od drugite be ciganino ? view thread - Boiko Borisov on Nov 7, 1:38 PM
    1. Zhivko, are you still alive bre perch? How are you? - Pantelis Vlahakis on Nov 7, 1:51 PM
     
  16. same **** every day here...are you idiots ???? let's make some money...Real Estate... view thread - Varna on Nov 7, 1:35 PM
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  17. Scootere ,how are you greko ? Ar still ****in with us :))) view thread - Varna on Nov 7, 1:34 PM
    1. Choly chit...Its the Zhivko....where have youo been??? Real estate good??? - Scooter on Nov 7, 3:46 PM
     
  18. arestuvaha Nikola Stoyanov ot Voden ..ot na****e ... !Ke go utepat kako Blagoj Shklifov .. view thread - Prespanskite Kambani on Nov 7, 1:33 PM
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  19. The Macedonian name of the city is THESSALONIKI!Not Bulgarian Solun view thread - Psolun Taralinga on Nov 7, 8:30 AM
    1. Taralinga gets Hellenic Psolun from his wife......She owns his ass.. - Taralinga is owned on Nov 7, 10:02 AM
      1. In 1913 Solun was Jewish city ...with a few Bulgarians,Greeks and Turks... - Balkan on Nov 7, 1:39 PM
        1. Mercy is not in our agenda. - Pantelis Vlahakis on Nov 7, 1:49 PM
        2. THESSALONIKI never converted from being HELLENIC since its founding in 315 BC... - A HELL OF A LONG TIME BEFORE 1913... on Nov 7, 3:50 PM
     
  20. Το πιστεύω μας. view thread - LOXIAS MAKEDONAS. on Nov 7, 5:12 AM
    1. pou auto den gnirizetai apo olous tous Elines - ti krima.. on Nov 7, 5:35 AM
     
  21. you must past over my psolun first koproskyla. view thread - loxias. on Nov 7, 5:11 AM
    1. ir8an ta agria na dioksoun ta imera - re tous paliopoustides on Nov 7, 5:44 AM
     
  22. aftoi eimaste. view thread - loxias. on Nov 7, 5:08 AM
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  23. GYFTOBOULGARE 8A PSOFHSHS STO TORONTO. NEVER GONNA ENTER MAKEDONIA view thread - loxias. on Nov 7, 4:40 AM
    1. Min to les, Autos ine stin Macedonia kathe kalokairi. - Pantelis Vlahakis on Nov 7, 5:45 PM
     
  24. Since Fyromskis are looking for undeniable historical facts of their past.. view thread - here we go BRO-SKI's YUGO-enjoy on Nov 7, 12:15 AM
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  25. If you spell MAKEDONIA with a "J" and Alexandros with a "KS" and called BORIS th view thread - are youre NOT a Makedona just a lostBULGARIAN on Nov 6, 11:54 PM
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  26. Yugobulgarian coldwar leftover commies PLAYING MAKE BELIEVE..... view thread - PRETENDING WILL NEVER CHANGE REALITY... on Nov 6, 11:52 PM
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  27. SKOPIANS ARE SLAVOBULGARS!BULGARIAN MINORITY OF YUGOSLAVIA-NOT MACEDONIANS view thread - MACEDONIA IS HELLENISM-NOT BULGARISM on Nov 6, 11:27 PM
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  28. MACEDONIA ZHELEVO LERIN MAKEDONIJA view thread - Macedonia for the Macedonians on Nov 6, 11:13 PM
    1. "Makedonija" is the Serbocroatian translation for the Greek name "Makedonia"! - MACEDONIA IS HELLENISM-NOT BULGARISM on Nov 6, 11:28 PM
    2. Lera NOT a city in Makedonia...Lera is what Makedones consider Pretenders like you... - a Historical LERA... on Nov 7, 12:17 AM
     
  29. Tell the European criminals I am back view thread - ONEMACEDON on Nov 6, 11:02 PM
    1. "Makedonija" is the Serbocroatian translation for the Greek name "Makedonia"! - MACEDONIA IS HELLENISM-NOT BULGARISM on Nov 6, 11:29 PM
    2. Chalk another to disillusioned former commies.. - By all means check your YUGO TITO video... on Nov 6, 11:59 PM
     
  30. Prank Call - Wedding Troubles view thread - Advice from Souvlakians from Greaseland on Nov 6, 10:53 PM
    1. "Makedonija" is the Serbocroatian translation for the Greek name "Makedonia"! - MACEDONIA IS HELLENISM-NOT BULGARISM on Nov 6, 11:30 PM
     
  31. GREEK+IDENTITY-WHAT+IS+GREEK 1832 view thread - Greece was created as nation in 1832 on Nov 6, 10:43 PM
    1. "Makedonija" is the Serbocroatian translation for the Greek name "Makedonia"! - MACEDONIA IS HELLENISM-NOT BULGARISM on Nov 6, 11:30 PM
     
  32. Talat: Greek Cyprus’ accession to NATO ‘intolerable’ view thread - Turkish Cypriot side, cannot tolerate the inc on Nov 6, 10:38 PM
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  33. PROPAGANDA AND GROSS MANIPULATION OF THE MEDIA - MACEDONIA. view thread - PAVLOS MELAS on Nov 6, 4:22 PM
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  34. HOW THE GREEKS CREATED WESTERN CIVILIZATION. view thread - PAVLOS MELAS on Nov 6, 3:58 PM
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  35. SKOPIANS ARE SLAVOBULGARS!BULGARIAN MINORITY OF YUGOSLAVIA-NOT MACEDONIANS view thread - MACEDONIA IS HELLENISM-NOT BULGARISM on Nov 6, 3:18 PM
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  36. i missed your call view thread - Body and Soul Greek on Nov 6, 1:21 PM
    1. I`ll call you this afternoon. - loxias. on Nov 7, 4:39 AM
     
  37. Franz keh wodum na Balm Beach vanush. Ama stoodee. view thread - kozabasheeatah od aposkep on Nov 6, 12:44 PM
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  38. Franz, moo zborvush na Scooter po Turkski ili po Ethiopian? view thread - kozabasheeatah od aposkep on Nov 6, 9:03 AM
    1. SKOPIANS ARE SLAVOBULGARS!BULGARIAN MINORITY OF YUGOSLAVIA-NOT MACEDONIANS - MACEDONIA IS HELLENISM-NOT BULGARISM on Nov 6, 12:14 PM
    2. Kazam dont be shy ask me for my picture......find out for yourself .. - Have your wife ask me nicely... on Nov 6, 5:42 PM
     
  39. Franz. Da seh pazees od Scooter. Toy ye geebnat na glavata. view thread - kozabasheeatah od aposkep on Nov 6, 6:30 AM
    1. Hey IGOR how many fvcking times do I have to tell you I dont speak BULGARIAN??? - Youre one DENSE YUGOBULFGAR.. on Nov 6, 6:59 AM
      1. koproskyla gyftoboulgaroi tou kerata. - loxias makedonas on Nov 6, 7:24 AM
     
  40. Yugobulgars from Skopjie can be known as Macedonians just as soon as Hellenes can be named view thread - VIKINGS..Yugobulgars are coldwar leftovers on Nov 6, 4:35 AM
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.................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... ..... Who populated the lands of modern FYROM in the past? The ancient people inhabiting the area around Skopje, at the time of the ancient Macedonians, were the Dardanians, and their land was called Dardania. Throughout their modern history, the region now occupied by FYROM was populated mostly by Bulgarians. The creation of "Macedonia" (FYROM, SROM) was artificial. Ex-Yugoslavs will attest to that. FYROM is comprised of Albanians, Serbs, and Bulgarians and their language is a Bulgarian dialect with a few Serbo-croatian words. Bulgarians will attest to that and understand/speak "Macedonian". 8) What about their claim of a large minority in Greece? After usurping the name and the flag, surprise! They start claiming that Greeks in Macedonia (Greek) are a FYROM minority. After all we all identify as Macedonians. Thus, we must be the same... Some people in the Net claim 1 mill minority in Macedonia (Greek). The population of Macedonia (Greek) is 2 mill. I am a Macedonian (Greek) same with other Greeks on this group. We don't want anything to have with FYROM. We are Greek. Finally the recent Euro-Elections revealed only with their cause (therefore propably a FYROM minority) 10,000! Not fantasies of 1 million! 9) Why doesn't the Greek government recognize the "Macedonian" minority? Greek parents have been sending their children to Macedonian schools for years, expecting them to learn Greek, not Bulgarian. Macedonian people (Greeks) are already a majority in Greece, with Macedonian churches, schools and cultural centers teaching Greek and regional dances and songs. The Greek government can neither recognize a minority with the same name, as the majority, nor build non-Greek schools and churches with the same name. Greek courts have offered to open cultural centers for their minority, under a different name (than Macedonian). They have refused. As long as they use the term "Macedonian" to describe their nationality, their minorities in Greece and Bulgaria cannot be recognized. 10) What are Greece's objections with FYROM's constitution? There are two points of concern: In their preamble, they define their FYROM state as a departure from the " ...historic decisions of the Anti-Fascist Assembly of the People's Liberation of Macedonia (ASNOM)... ". The problem is that ASNOM had called for the "Macedonians" in Bulgaria and other countries to unite under Tito's rule. Their language in article 49 is also problematic (too extensive to go into here). At Greece's request they have added 2 amendements stating that they have no claims on neighbouring countries. Still, that is in contradiction with their preample, and it is to their benefit to rewrite those articles to avoid contradictions and vagueries in their Constitution. 11) Does Greece have any territorial or other claims on FYROM? In 1993, Serbia's President Milocevic, invited Greece to invade FYROM. Greece declined it. FYROM is surrounded by claims of Greater Albania, Greater Bulgaria and Greater Serbia. Greece is the only one not interested in FYROM. It is a poor, barren place with no Hellenic ties or history. Greece has the beach-front property (Aegean), and the economy differential between the two countries would only create problems for the richer one (Greece). 12) Is Greece really afraid of FYROM? Presently FYROM is too weak to threaten Greece militarily or otherwise. However, considering that: a) A general draft can raise an army of 700,000 in FYROM; b) Greece has had to fight several times against similar claims in this century to secure and defend its northern region (Macedonia); c) the Balkans are currently in a map-changing mode; d) shifting alliances may change the balance of power in the near future; The Greek state feels that the "inexplicable" adoption of an irredentist name and flag by FYROM are hostile and provocative acts designed to establish future claims on Greek Macedonia. These are the main points and we can support them with facts and evidence...............................................