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THE MACEDONIAN DEBATE

The Antartiko Discussion Forum : THE MACEDONIAN DEBATE: There is no "Macedonian minority" in Greece because there is no such nationality. There is a small group of people who speak a Slavic dialect which is in fact different from what is claimed to be the "Macedonian language" These people are not a "Macedonian minority" as they consider themselves Greeks. There is also an even smaller group of Slav propagandists who are trying to create a Macedonian minority in Greece. ...........................................................................................Το Ανταρτικό φόρουμ συζητήσεων:........... ΣΥΖΗΤΗΣΗ ΤΟΥ ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΚΟΥ: Δεν υπάρχει «μακεδονική μειονότητα» στην Ελλάδα, επειδή δεν υπάρχει ανάλογη εθνικότητα. Υπάρχει μια μικρή ομάδα ανθρώπων που μιλούν μια σλαβική διάλεκτο η οποία είναι στην πραγματικότητα παρόμοια με τήν Bουλγαρική γλώσσα. Υπάρχει επίσης μια ακόμη μικρότερη ομάδα σλαβικών προπαγανδιστων που προσπαθούνε να δημιουργήσουν μια μακεδονική μειονότητα στην Ελλάδα βάσει ψευδών ισχυρισμών. .................................................................................................................................................................................Visit the Macedonian debate: www.themacedoniandebate.com Read footer at bottom of page
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  1. SHMERA GAMAME GYFTOBOULGAROUS. KOPROSKYLA LINE UP.. view thread - LOXIAS. on Dec 22, 7:58 AM
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  2. WE ARE FYROM-SKATA view thread - MACEDONIA IS HELLENISM-NOT BULGARISM on Dec 22, 1:48 AM
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  3. EUROPEAN COURT OF HUMAN RIGHTS view thread - MACEDONIA FOR THE MACEDONIANS on Dec 22, 1:31 AM
    1. EUROPEAN COURT OF HUMAN RIGHTS - MACEDONIA FOR THE MACEDONIANS on Dec 22, 1:33 AM
    2. EUROPEAN COURT OF HUMAN RIGHTS - MACEDONIA FOR THE MACEDONIANS on Dec 22, 1:33 AM
    3. EUROPEAN COURT OF HUMAN RIGHTS - MACEDONIA FOR THE MACEDONIANS on Dec 22, 1:33 AM
    4. EUROPEAN COURT OF HUMAN RIGHTS - MACEDONIA FOR THE MACEDONIANS on Dec 22, 1:34 AM
     
  4. EUROPEAN COURT OF HUMAN RIGHTS view thread - MACEDONIA FOR THE MACEDONIANS on Dec 22, 1:30 AM
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  5. VARDARSKA BANANOVINA! NOT MACEDONIA view thread - MACEDONIA IS HELLENISM-NOT BULGARISM on Dec 22, 1:26 AM
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  6. The ominous prophecy of Harilaos Trikoupis, Greek Prime Minister from 1882 view thread - MACEDONIA FOR THE MACEDONIANS on Dec 22, 1:19 AM
    1. Comments & Jokes - Vesti i komentari - MACEDONIA FOR THE MACEDONIANS on Dec 22, 1:22 AM
    2. Comments & Jokes - Vesti i komentari - MACEDONIA FOR THE MACEDONIANS on Dec 22, 1:22 AM
      1. VARDARSKA BANANOVINA! NOT MACEDONIA - Skopianoskata bulgarian history on Dec 22, 1:25 AM
    3. Comments & Jokes - Vesti i komentari - MACEDONIA FOR THE MACEDONIANS on Dec 22, 1:23 AM
     
  7. The ominous prophecy of Harilaos Trikoupis, Greek Prime Minister from 1882 view thread - MACEDONIA FOR THE MACEDONIANS on Dec 22, 1:18 AM
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  8. The ominous prophecy of Harilaos Trikoupis, Greek Prime Minister from 1882 view thread - MACEDONIA FOR THE MACEDONIANS on Dec 22, 1:18 AM
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  9. The ominous prophecy of Harilaos Trikoupis, Greek Prime Minister from 1882 view thread - MACEDONIA FOR THE MACEDONIANS on Dec 22, 1:18 AM
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  10. YOU VARDAR-BULGARSKI! See to here your BULGARIAN grandfathers..
USKUB 1915:
http view thread - MACEDONIA IS HELLENISM-NOT BULGARISM on Dec 22, 1:14 AM
    1. FRANTZOGLU LOXIASS SE KLEPAT SO BUGARITE APO PISO - NIKOS KARABOUZOUKLIS on Dec 22, 1:38 AM
    2. FRANTZOGLU LOXIASS SE KLEPAT SO BUGARITE APO PISO - NIKOS KARABOUZOUKLIS on Dec 22, 1:38 AM
     
  11. THE GERKOMAN PRAYER view thread - MACEDONIA AND macedonians forever on Dec 22, 1:09 AM
    1. Who Murdered Sterio from Rudari? - Macedonia for the Macedonians on Dec 22, 1:12 AM
      1. your father when he found him in bed with your - Astinomia Prespon on Dec 22, 11:20 AM
    2. Who Murdered Sterio from Rudari? - Macedonia for the Macedonians on Dec 22, 1:12 AM
    3. Who Murdered Sterio from Rudari? - Macedonia for the Macedonians on Dec 22, 1:13 AM
    4. GREEK FASCISM-THIS IS GREECE - MACEDONIA FOR THE MACEDONIANS on Dec 22, 1:14 AM
    5. GREEK FASCISM-THIS IS GREECE - MACEDONIA FOR THE MACEDONIANS on Dec 22, 1:14 AM
     
  12. MISIRKOV:Our fathers,grandfathers,and great grandfathers have always been called Bulgarian view thread - Skopianoskata bulgarian history on Dec 22, 1:05 AM
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  13. Who Murdered Sterio from Rudari? view thread - Macedonia for the Macedonians on Dec 22, 1:05 AM
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  14. MISIRKOV:"We are Bulgarian more than the Bulgarians in Bulgaria" MISIRKOV:Our fathers,gran view thread - Taralinga on Dec 22, 1:05 AM
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  15. MISIRKOV:"We are Bulgarian more than the Bulgarians in Bulgaria view thread - Taralinga on Dec 22, 1:04 AM
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  16. FROM ZHELEVO IROES TOU ANTARTIKOU view thread - Macedonia for the Macedonians on Dec 22, 1:00 AM
    1. GERKOMANIA A DISEASE OF THE MIND - Macedonia for the Macedonians on Dec 22, 1:01 AM
    2. GERKOMANIA A DISEASE OF THE MIND - Macedonia for the Macedonians on Dec 22, 1:02 AM
    3. GERKOMANIA A DISEASE OF THE MIND - Macedonia for the Macedonians on Dec 22, 1:02 AM
    4. GERKOMANIA A DISEASE OF THE MIND - Macedonia for the Macedonians on Dec 22, 1:02 AM
    5. GERKOMANIA A DISEASE OF THE MIND - Macedonia for the Macedonians on Dec 22, 1:03 AM
     
  17. Greece Bribes view thread - Taralinga on Dec 22, 12:53 AM
    1. Greece paid Milions read this article - Taralinga on Dec 22, 12:55 AM
    2. Greece paid Milions read this article - Taralinga on Dec 22, 12:55 AM
    3. Greece paid Milions read this article - Taralinga on Dec 22, 12:55 AM
    4. Greece paid Milions read this article - Taralinga on Dec 22, 12:56 AM
     
  18. SKOPIANS ARE SLAVOBULGARS!BULGARIAN MINORITY OF YUGOSLAVIA-NOT MACEDONIANS view thread - MACEDONIA IS HELLENISM-NOT BULGARISM on Dec 22, 12:48 AM
    1. Sho me chudish bre pedar Turski! a tisi Hellen? - Poustaderos Grecomaskaridis on Dec 22, 12:56 AM
     
  19. Frantzi! ke pechis perch za christmas? view thread - Ogerchen Operchen on Dec 22, 12:44 AM
    1. KIRILICA - MAKEDONSKATA AZBUKA - Taralinga on Dec 22, 12:50 AM
    2. KIRILICA - MAKEDONSKATA AZBUKA - Taralinga on Dec 22, 12:50 AM
    3. KIRILICA - MAKEDONSKATA AZBUKA - Taralinga on Dec 22, 12:50 AM
    4. KIRILICA - MAKEDONSKATA AZBUKA - Taralinga on Dec 22, 12:50 AM
    5. KIRILICA - MAKEDONSKATA AZBUKA - Taralinga on Dec 22, 12:51 AM
     
  20. frantzi! se ebash so foramo? view thread - Shirokakis Frantzokolos on Dec 22, 12:39 AM
    1. SCANDALS IN GREECE. - Taralinga on Dec 22, 12:46 AM
    2. SCANDALS IN GREECE. - Taralinga on Dec 22, 12:46 AM
     
  21. GANDETO a Macedonian Warrior view thread - Taralinga on Dec 22, 12:32 AM
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  22. Search for sexual freedom, as much as Philhellene & Philogreek view thread - LORD BYRON 'VIRONAS' THE DELICATE SOUL on Dec 22, 12:30 AM
    1. Macedonians Visiting the land of the Olympics - Taralinga on Dec 22, 12:40 AM
    2. Macedonians Visiting the land of the Olympics - Taralinga on Dec 22, 12:40 AM
    3. Macedonians Visiting the land of the Olympics - Taralinga on Dec 22, 12:40 AM
    4. Macedonians Visiting the land of the Olympics - Taralinga on Dec 22, 12:40 AM
     
  23. NICK STOYAN view thread - Taralinga on Dec 22, 12:22 AM
    1. EDNOOKIMANIA - UN. Greek Minority Report - Taralinga on Dec 22, 12:27 AM
    2. EDNOOKIMANIA - UN. Greek Minority Report - Taralinga on Dec 22, 12:28 AM
    3. EDNOOKIMANIA - UN. Greek Minority Report - Taralinga on Dec 22, 12:28 AM
     
  24. MACEDONIAN, THEREFOR NOT GREEK view thread - Taralinga on Dec 22, 12:15 AM
    1. Tell the European criminals Iam back - Taralinga on Dec 22, 12:19 AM
    2. Tell the European criminals Iam back - Taralinga on Dec 22, 12:19 AM
    3. Tell the European criminals Iam back - Taralinga on Dec 22, 12:20 AM
    4. Tell the European criminals Iam back - Taralinga on Dec 22, 12:20 AM
     
  25. GERKOMANIA Betrayal Discovering the Meaning of Treachery view thread - Taralinga on Dec 22, 12:07 AM
    1. THE XELLEMANIST - Taralinga on Dec 22, 12:10 AM
    2. THE XELLEMANIST - Taralinga on Dec 22, 12:10 AM
    3. THE XELLEMANIST - Taralinga on Dec 22, 12:10 AM
    4. THE XELLEMANIST - Taralinga on Dec 22, 12:11 AM
     
  26. GREEK IDENTITY - WHAT IS GREEK view thread - Taralinga on Dec 21, 11:58 PM
    1. I AM THE MACEDONIAN - Taralinga on Dec 22, 12:00 AM
    2. I AM THE MACEDONIAN - Taralinga on Dec 22, 12:01 AM
    3. I AM THE MACEDONIAN - Taralinga on Dec 22, 12:01 AM
     
  27. Sreken Bozhik i novata god. 2010 - PESNA ZA MAKEDONIJA view thread - Taralinga on Dec 21, 11:48 PM
    1. Meaning of the word "GREEK" Greek constitution 1827 - Taralinga on Dec 21, 11:55 PM
    2. Meaning of the word "GREEK" Greek constitution 1827 - Taralinga on Dec 21, 11:55 PM
     
  28. Merry Christmas view thread - Peter on Dec 21, 3:28 PM
    1. Merry Christmas peter - O Loxias O Malakas O Poustis on Dec 22, 1:00 AM
     
  29. SOME CHRISTMAS GIFTS FOR TARALINGAS KOLOS. AND A BIG VETO IN E.UNION AND NATO. hahaha view thread - LOXIAS MAKEDONAS. on Dec 20, 10:39 PM
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  30. SOME CHRISTMAS GIFTS FOR TARALINGAS KOLOS. AND A BIG VETO IN E.UNION AND NATO. hahaha view thread - LOXIAS MAKEDONAS. on Dec 20, 10:36 PM
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  31. SOME CHRISTMAS GIFTS FOR TARALINGAS KOLOS. AND A BIG VETO IN E.UNION. hahaha view thread - LOXIAS MAKEDONAS. on Dec 20, 10:35 PM
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  32. SOME GIFTS FOR TARALINGAS KOLOS. AND A BIG VETO IN E.UNION. hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha view thread - LOXIAS MAKEDONAS. on Dec 20, 10:33 PM
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  33. Invitation from the central Bulgarian revolutionary commitee BMPO to all Bulgars in Skopje view thread - MACEDONIA IS HELLENISM-NOT BULGARISM on Dec 20, 2:12 PM
    1. http://img24.exs.cx/img24/7216/Invitation1893.jpg - MACEDONIA IS HELLENISM-NOT BULGARISM on Dec 20, 2:45 PM
     
  34. Rare discovery portrait of Alexander the Great view thread - loxias. on Dec 20, 12:48 PM
    1. diavaste re moularia - Greek ruler, Alexander on Dec 21, 2:12 PM
     
  35. German MP asks Greece to Leave the EU for the Good of the Union Thursday, 10 December 2009 view thread - PANTELIS - RASISTOPOULOS FROM AUSTRALIA on Dec 20, 12:01 PM
    1. eat **** re malaka - ZHTO H ELLAS on Dec 20, 5:07 PM
     
  36. German MP asks Greece to Leave the EU for the Good of the Union Thursday, 10 December 2009 view thread - PANTELIS - RASISTOPOULOS FROM AUSTRALIA on Dec 20, 12:01 PM
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  37. German MP asks Greece to Leave the EU for the Good of the Union Thursday, 10 December 2009 view thread - PANTELIS - RASISTOPOULOS FROM AUSTRALIA on Dec 20, 12:01 PM
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  38. PEDEROPOULE LOXIASS! WERE ARE THE GREEKS FROM ZHELEVO YOU CALL ANTARTIKO? view thread - SCOOTER FRANTZOGLU on Dec 20, 11:51 AM
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  39. THE PROSVIGIAN BOURDELO TO FRANTZOGLU view thread - LOXIASS THE BROTHER OF FRANTZIS on Dec 20, 11:45 AM
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  40. THE PROSVIGIAN BOURDELO TO FRANTZOGLU view thread - LOXIASS THE BROTHER OF FRANTZIS on Dec 20, 11:45 AM
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.................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... ..... Who populated the lands of modern FYROM in the past? The ancient people inhabiting the area around Skopje, at the time of the ancient Macedonians, were the Dardanians, and their land was called Dardania. Throughout their modern history, the region now occupied by FYROM was populated mostly by Bulgarians. The creation of "Macedonia" (FYROM, SROM) was artificial. Ex-Yugoslavs will attest to that. FYROM is comprised of Albanians, Serbs, and Bulgarians and their language is a Bulgarian dialect with a few Serbo-croatian words. Bulgarians will attest to that and understand/speak "Macedonian". 8) What about their claim of a large minority in Greece? After usurping the name and the flag, surprise! They start claiming that Greeks in Macedonia (Greek) are a FYROM minority. After all we all identify as Macedonians. Thus, we must be the same... Some people in the Net claim 1 mill minority in Macedonia (Greek). The population of Macedonia (Greek) is 2 mill. I am a Macedonian (Greek) same with other Greeks on this group. We don't want anything to have with FYROM. We are Greek. Finally the recent Euro-Elections revealed only with their cause (therefore propably a FYROM minority) 10,000! Not fantasies of 1 million! 9) Why doesn't the Greek government recognize the "Macedonian" minority? Greek parents have been sending their children to Macedonian schools for years, expecting them to learn Greek, not Bulgarian. Macedonian people (Greeks) are already a majority in Greece, with Macedonian churches, schools and cultural centers teaching Greek and regional dances and songs. The Greek government can neither recognize a minority with the same name, as the majority, nor build non-Greek schools and churches with the same name. Greek courts have offered to open cultural centers for their minority, under a different name (than Macedonian). They have refused. As long as they use the term "Macedonian" to describe their nationality, their minorities in Greece and Bulgaria cannot be recognized. 10) What are Greece's objections with FYROM's constitution? There are two points of concern: In their preamble, they define their FYROM state as a departure from the " ...historic decisions of the Anti-Fascist Assembly of the People's Liberation of Macedonia (ASNOM)... ". The problem is that ASNOM had called for the "Macedonians" in Bulgaria and other countries to unite under Tito's rule. Their language in article 49 is also problematic (too extensive to go into here). At Greece's request they have added 2 amendements stating that they have no claims on neighbouring countries. Still, that is in contradiction with their preample, and it is to their benefit to rewrite those articles to avoid contradictions and vagueries in their Constitution. 11) Does Greece have any territorial or other claims on FYROM? In 1993, Serbia's President Milocevic, invited Greece to invade FYROM. Greece declined it. FYROM is surrounded by claims of Greater Albania, Greater Bulgaria and Greater Serbia. Greece is the only one not interested in FYROM. It is a poor, barren place with no Hellenic ties or history. Greece has the beach-front property (Aegean), and the economy differential between the two countries would only create problems for the richer one (Greece). 12) Is Greece really afraid of FYROM? Presently FYROM is too weak to threaten Greece militarily or otherwise. However, considering that: a) A general draft can raise an army of 700,000 in FYROM; b) Greece has had to fight several times against similar claims in this century to secure and defend its northern region (Macedonia); c) the Balkans are currently in a map-changing mode; d) shifting alliances may change the balance of power in the near future; The Greek state feels that the "inexplicable" adoption of an irredentist name and flag by FYROM are hostile and provocative acts designed to establish future claims on Greek Macedonia. These are the main points and we can support them with facts and evidence...............................................