I'd like to know if anyone recognizes this as a particular double white, it may or may not be one. We bought it from a local nursery who didn't even know what colors their Brugs were. Problem is, I don't think this one's going to make it through the rest of the summer, and if it doesn't, I'd like to know which double white is going to be closest, mostly based on the toothy, fuzzy leaves, so we can get one similar to it.
Also, anyone happen to know of other cultivers with leaves like this one? Single, double, any color.
Lynne
USDA Zone 9b
Heat Zone 10
Bradenton, Florida
Lynne...the sanguineas have fuzzy leaves similar to that - but not much help for you in FL, right?! My 8 sangs may be looking for new homes...they're mature & have many Y's, but do you think I've seen a single bud all year? Not!! If they're going to be only fall bloomers, they can just move on.
Patrick
Brug Moderator
USDA Zone 8b
Heat Zone 3
Sunset Zone 5
SeaTac, WA...one cool place
i think allot of us are having problems getting anything to bloom i have a unknown peach that has not bloomed in a good while now it has y's and even a few triple y's but no blooms the dats are blooming again they alternate there blooms for me anyways i have a cg that has y'ed and i see tinny buds so maybe it will be the next to bloom . i wonder if grafting it to antoher brug would keep it alive hmmm
in gardening there are no failures only learning experiances unless of course you give up mikey in fl
This message has been edited by mikeyinfla on Aug 20, 2006 3:05 PM
Lynne, my double white, posted in another thread, is suffering badly this summer, too. It don't think I'll lose it because it's the one with the warts that's sprouting new leaves/branches. I was under the impression that it was a Knighti when I got about 3 years ago, but not sure. It has toothed and soft velvety leaves. The angels are quite large (should say WERE) but mine hasn't bloomed since spring.
I can't promise any cuttings right now but possibly later this fall. I'd be happy to share if it recovers.
I have the CDW that Michele sent, it's growing well and getting big.
I just went out to check, the leaves on it are fuzzy, but not as toothy as these. It does seem to be developing a few teeth, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed that our unamed turns out to be CDW. Then I wouldn't have to worry so much about losing this one.
Patrick, from what I've seen of your pictures, I wish I could grow the sangs down here. They wouldn't even have to bloom, just the leaves would be enough!
Jarie, I would appreciate the cuttings, if yours perks up, thank you for the offer. Speaking of your warts, one of ours that looks like a CG had a couple. The day before I read that message, I found them, poked at them, and they fell off revealing freshness underneath, no clue what to think about them...
Kathy, the pictures up above are how it was... here's how it is now...
First there was bad water, then too dry, then it cooked in the sun, then, to keep it cooler I added mulch, then it rained alot and the mulch stayed too wet, now it's rotting at the top and bottom, I couldn't get cuttings to root.... I wonder if I made any other mistakes with it that I don't even know about. There's one little section that still looks semi-alive, I want to try rooting it, but I'm afraid to cut it off.
Lynne
USDA Zone 9b
Heat Zone 10
Bradenton, Florida
It looks like you might have to wait for blooms to find out what the one with the serrated leaves is going to be. I can't think of a double with serrated leaves right now. I went through the gallery at ABADS just quickly and didn't see anything that might have fit the bill.
I took the double white out of the ground, it was sitting in water too, had very little roots left. It looks like it may have a few tiny bits of new growth on it, I'm really hoping.
Mike, if it starts seeming like it's really alive, we'll let you have a piece to do some grafting, if you want.
Shirley, We bought it for the leaves, and waited forever for it to bloom.
Well, it seemed like forever.
I'll never forget it's first flower, as it started to come out of the calyx, I thought it was deformed, so oddly wide. So I opened it up and took a look inside, and there was a second flower. I ran inside screaming, "it's a double!"
And the scent was wonderful, a little on the sweet side up close, but perfect from a couple of feet away, and still noticible from about 50 feet away!
Lynne
USDA Zone 9b
Heat Zone 10
Bradenton, Florida
My first double white was Species and then I got Candida Double White. There is a big difference in them. I've never had Knightii or any other double white except the shredded white that I loved the fragrance of. It was just pretty messy tho. LOL!
That's great news, Lynne. The double whites must have taken a beating around the country this summer. Mine had those weird "warts" all over it, few to no leaves, no flushes this summer and now several places are sprouting new leaves. It's one I'd really hate to lose because it's so pretty.
In it's better days last summer.
Here is it today, full of warts and several new sprouts.
Good luck with yours. Hope it continues to come back.
Lynne, of my double whites here, Golden Lady has the most serrated leaves and is very downy as well.
She has a terrific fragrance and flowers freely, that's why I always find room for her in the stuffed full GH each winter. She also becomes quite golden-orange coloured for me in the GH in the fall and winter.
I lost my files of pictures of her, sorry, but the ABADS site has some.... http://www.abads.net/Gallery/G/brugmansia_golden_lady.htm
I still would not name yours as a specific name though, in case we were wrong and then another 'Brug ID' error would just be passed along down the line.
Thank goodness for Photobucket! I did have pics of Golden Lady in there.
This was shortly after I took her into the GH 2 years ago... stated white as usual,
I'd like to know if anyone recognizes this as a particular double white, it may or may not be one.
From this quote, I thought you meant the leaves were of a brug that you had not seen bloom yet. By looking at the bloom pictures, I would guess it as Candida Double White. By looking at the leaves, I couldn't even guess. Again, guessing isn't good. If you can't make a positive ID with another like brug, it will probably have to be called unknown double white. I'm sure we all have some of those.
I looked more through my albums and found these 2 of Candida Double White. I can see in the second one that it also had slightly serrated leaves....
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But as Shirley said, I would leave any 'un-named' Brug as just that, if that's the way it came to me.... 'un-known Double white Brugmansia . You can still love it!
Shirley, Ruth Ann, thank you both.
I have no intention of giving our double white a name, other than perhaps whatever nickname my husband and I use when talking about it to each other (just to distinguish it from others.)
"... I would leave any 'un-named' Brug as just that, if that's the way it came to me.... 'un-known Double white Brugmansia."
Ruth Ann, the way it came to us... We called every nursery in the phone book in our county and all surrounding counties looking for Brugs. (Probably last January/February.) Finally we found one that said they had a bunch, some pink, yellow, white, and maybe peach colored. When we got there, they were all mixed in together and they had no idea which was what. None had blooms or buds. After looking through them all, we found 4 different leaf styles and bought one of each. Then we patiently waited for them to bloom.
First came this pretty white, after that, the yellow just about knocked me out. I think the double white bloomed third, and last was a pink, similar to our first pink, but not the same. All well-worth the wait, even if we'll never be able to name them.
Back to the double white, though. Being afraid that it was going to die, and loving it so much, we just wanted an idea of what to look for, by name, to find one as close as possible to replace it. While at the same time looking for others with those leaves, regardless of flower color.
BTW - Golden Lady, we've been thinking about it for a while, you may have helped us decide.
Now, we're still curious as to whether or not there are any Brugs that have those leaves and single flowers, or if this is even a possible combination? We haven't found any in pictures yet. Fuzzy, yes, serrated, yes, but both?
I'm just taking a guess that it'd be an aurea (serrated) and candida (fuzzy) cross.
Lynne
USDA Zone 9b
Heat Zone 10
Bradenton, Florida
Lynne, the leaf isn't fuzzy at all but if you like serrated, look for a cross that has B.'Buttercream' in it's background. Buttercream itself I have never seen but all the seedlings I have grown with it as the mother parent have had these types of leaves. This is a leaf from a Buttercream X Butterfly cross that I have kept just because I love the deep serration in the leaf.....
Darn that international border or I would send you a cutting to try!
Love that dark yellow brug. Very nice. For a generic brug, that is the best one I've seen. It's too bad that places that want to sell them don't get the information to go with them.
Ruth Ann, all of the seedlings? Have there been others, other than Buttercream x Butterfly that came out with leaves that extreme?
OK, well, since I can't officially alter my wish list, I'm just going to say I want Buttercream... oh, the babies she would have... lol.
Shirley, if you want that yellow, let me know, we have plenty. I thought it was cooking, so I cut everything off the top, to try and save some of it. (All of them have roots now.) Then I figured out that it was drowning too, so I sawed off the trunk and have it, hopefully, rooting in a 1 gallon. I haven't had the opportunity to finish my testing yet, but I'm pretty sure it's going to turn out to be identical to Jarie's and CG.
Lynne
USDA Zone 9b
Heat Zone 10
Bradenton, Florida
I grew 3 of that cross's seeds Lynne and all had the defined serration but the other 2 were not quite as deep so over time I only kept this one. Last fall ( it's second year)it had a cream colourd bloom just after I brought it in so am waiting to see what the colour is like this year, it likely will bloom in about 2-3 weeks)
(just before bringing it in to the GH it's first year as a seedling...)
another one that has faitly good serrated leaves for me is 'Peek-a-Boo'
Peek-a Boo....(you can see some of her leaves and her flower in this pic)
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