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Easily visible differences between species

November 16 2007 at 11:40 AM

  (Login lynnehardi)

It was suggested that this be moved to it's own post so it can be easily found later on.
Very good idea, Jarie, I agree completely.

A quickie look at some of the most visible differences.

Brugmansia Group I
There are three main species. B. aurea, B. versicolor, and B. suaveolens.

B. aurea:
The flowers usually nod or point straight out (sometimes upward slightly.)
The flower portion that sticks out of the calyx is usually shorter.
This one is where long tendrils and serrated leaf edges come from.
Rothkirch is a pure B. aurea, a wild-collected specimen of this species.

B. versicolor
Versicolor flowers hang straight down and have moderate length tendrils.
This species has the longest flowers and long, skinny buds.
The calyx only has 1 split where the flower comes out.
Ecuador Pink is a pure B. versicolor, wild-collected.

B. suaveolens
The flowers of these nod downward and have very short tendrils.
The calyx is generally shorter and doesn't cover the narrow part of the flower tube.
Golfito is a pure B. suaveolens, wild-collected.

There really aren't very many known pure species available, but there are more than just these three. I had a list saved, but I can't remember them all right now.

After the pure species, we have naturally occuring hybrids. That basically means a cross between a pure species and another pure species, originally found growing wild, Mother Nature made.

First, B. x. insignis.
This is a cross between a pure B. suaveolens and a pure B. versicolor that has then been crossed back to a pure B. suaveolens.
The flowers are very much like a B. suaveolens, but with longer flowers and longer tendrils.
Some examples of x. insignis style, your NOID pink, most likely, Insignis Gold, Tropical Sunset. I'm not sure which would be a wild-collected one of these.

And second, B. x. candida.
This is a cross between a pure B. aurea and a pure B. versicolor.
These typically are closer to a versicolor, but with aurea influences. If you cross one back to an aurea, it will usually be more like an aurea, same if you cross it back to a versicolor it'll look more like a versicolor. I'm not sure which would be a wild-collected one of these either.
This one is the only one that will produce doubles/triples, they are classified as Brugmansia x. candida flore plena.
You also get some nice fuzzy leaves in the candidas, a personal favorite.

For most of the named hybrids that are available, they can't accurately be labeled as any of these. Most of them aren't either pure or pure x pure. But by the visible characteristics you can usually get a pretty good guess as to which genes are dominating.

Examples:
B. aurea, B. versicolor, B. suaveolens



Perhaps more can even be added to this? Leaves, flower buds, seed pods, they all vary, we could make this a really detailed, full of information, kind of thing. Maybe even move beyond the basics? And I think it would be really great if someone into Group II Brugs would add them to this as well.

Lynne
USDA 9b, Heat 10
Bradenton, Florida
Current Kanji: hana (flower)
Peace.

 
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(Login jas4141)

Re: Easily visible differences between species

November 16 2007, 12:13 PM 

Excellent, Lynne. It should be much easier to find this way. Your piece is the best and easiest to understand comparison that I've found. The illustrations are so helpful, too.

I'm forever trying to find something that I know was posted some time ago and even with the search feature can't find it.



Jarie
Mission, TX
Rio Grande Valley
Zone 9

 
 

(Login gee8ch)

Re: Easily visible differences between species

November 16 2007, 12:26 PM 

Hi Lynne: Great info. As a beginner I really appreciate the examples you give. What a wonderfully clear Tutorial for Brug Luvers! Hope we can have more of these very informative postings from so many of you experienced and knowledgable folks. Looking forward to becoming more enlightened!! LOL Gloria

Los Angeles County, CA
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Karyn
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Re: Easily visible differences between species

November 16 2007, 7:46 PM 

Lynne thanks so much for that post. It was very easy to understand. Even though I've been growing brugs for a while I was still unsure about the differences between them.
Karyn

Montgomery County, MD
zone 7a
heat zone 6/7

 
 


(Login NeonPosey)

Re: Easily visible differences between species

November 16 2007, 9:01 PM 

I'm glad the post got moved. Its very useful information and I would hate for it to be buried where we couldn't refer to it when we needed. Plus, I'm going to have to read, and reread many times for the information to stick in my mind. Its hard getting old..

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Re: Easily visible differences between species

November 17 2007, 11:26 PM 

Here is some information that it took me almost 2 months last year to get my head wrapped around so don't feel badly if it is more than you can digest. However, if you can, it will go a LONG way toward helping you with your hybridizing.

Actually, there are 2 groups of Brugmansia, the
B. Aurea group
and the
B. Arborea Group
( note that Brugs in the Aurea Group normally will not cross pollinate with the Arborea Group to produce seed .)

These 2 groups are then broken down into 7 species:
the Aurea Group breaks down into:
aurea
insignis
suaveolens
versicolor

From this group comes known 'single' and up to 'quadruple' crosses called hybrids, the widest known is a 'candida' which is a cross between Aurea and Versicolor


and the Arborea breaks down into:
arborea
sanguinea
vulcanicola

and from this group also comes hybrids of single and up to triple crosses, the best know is called flava, which is a cross between an arbourea and a Sanguinea.
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Note: a 'hybrid' is a cross between any 2 or more cultivars of Brugmansia.
Some examples of these crosses are:
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For two-species hybrid cultivars:


Aurinsi…includes all hybrid combinations of B. aurea and B. insignis

Candida…includes all hybrid combinations of B. versicolor and B. aurea


Flava…includes all hybrid combinations of B. arborea and B. sanguinea



Suarea…includes all hybrid combinations of B. suaveolens and B. aurea

Suaver…includes all hybrid combinations of B. suaveolens and B. versicolor

Suavinsi…includes all hybrid combinations of B. suaveolens and B. insignis

Verinsi…includes all hybrid combinations of B. versicolor and B. insignis

Vulsa…includes all hybrid combinations of B. vulcanicola and B. sanguinea

Vularbo…includes all hybrid combinations of B. vulcanicola and B. arborea



Example: ‘Bridesmaid’ belongs in the Candida Set because it is a hybrid of ‘Rothkirch’ (Aurea) and ‘Charleston’ (Candida) and therefore only carried genes of B. versicolor and B. aurea.






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For three-species hybrid cultivars

Arbovulsa …includes all hybrid combinations of B. arborea, B. vulcanicola and B. sanguinea

Suaverinsi …includes all hybrid combinations of B. suaveolens, B. versicolor and B. insignis

Suavinsaurea …includes all hybrid combinations of B. suaveolens, B. insignis and B. aurea

Versuarea …includes all hybrid combinations of B. versicolor, B. suaveolens and B. aurea

Verinsaurea …includes all hybrid combinations of B. versicolor, B. insignis and B. aurea



Example: ‘Goldkrone’ belongs in the Versuarea Set because it is a hybrid between ‘Charles Grimaldi’ (Versuarea) and ‘Goldenes Kornett’ (Aurea), ‘Charles Grimaldi’ being a hybrid of ‘Dr Seuss’ (Versuarea) and ‘Frosty Pink’ (Suaveolens). ‘Goldkrone’ therefore only carries genes of B. aurea, B. suaveolens and B. versicolor.


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For Four-species hybrid cultivars

Siva …includes all hybrid combinations of B. suaveolens, B. insignis, B. versicolor and B. aurea



Example: ‘Schloss Ricklingen’ belongs in the Siva Set because it is a hybrid of ‘Cumbaya’ (Insignis) and ‘Ocre’ (Versuarea), and therefore carries genes of B. aurea, B. insignis, B. suaveolens and B. versicolor.

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(Login Tiedjens)
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Re: Easily visible differences between species

November 17 2007, 11:30 PM 

If you go through the above list of crosses, you will note how there are no crosses that include (or go between) a Brug from both of the 2 main groups

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(Login ChSam)
Hummingbird lover 2007

Re: Easily visible differences between species

November 19 2007, 2:45 PM 

Don't forget that cubensis is the new name for the former versuarea - group.

A botanist from Cuba wrote the first description of a hybrid, he described it as being a mix of versicolor, suaveolens, and aurea. He named her cubensis.

If this has changed, RA, let us know.



ChSam (Shirley Morr)
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(Login Tiedjens)
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Re: Easily visible differences between species

November 19 2007, 8:12 PM 

You are correct Shirley, that hasn't 'percolated' into my mind yet.

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(Login ChSam)
Hummingbird lover 2007

Re: Easily visible differences between species

November 19 2007, 10:15 PM 

LOL! I know what you mean. It took me a while to grasp all the funny names in the beginning, but it's working okay now.

ChSam (Shirley Morr)
Chariton, Iowa
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