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August 25 2008 at 5:57 PM
  (Login magialuna)
Hummingbird lover 2007

First off, excuse the pic quality, as we're STILL under rainbands after days of TS Fay. (May she rot, she broke my wonderful brugs in pieces and we're still measuring rain after 9.5") My kitchen window ledge is lined with 'Solid Gold', 'Charles Grimaldi', and 'Adora' cuttings in solo cups.

This is one of the two unknown brugs I bought from Gurneys.com, and I was wondering if anyone would venture what plant it might have been rooted from?







Maryjane
W Ga
Zone 8a


    
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(Login Ladyaqua)
Hummingbird lover 2007

Re: ID suggestions?

August 25 2008, 9:57 PM 

Looks like my Rosamond except your tendrils aren't as long. Maybe a clue for someone else? On second thought, yours is darker pink- more like my Butterfly color. Anyway, the tendrils are shorter than any of mine. Good luck.
BTW, it is very pretty!

Patty
Milwaukee, Wi
zone 5

 
 

Tom
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August 25 2008, 11:53 PM 

Both 'Rosamond' and 'Butterfly' have a trumpet-shaped corolla, typical of their mixed heritage (Cubensis). This one has a funnel-shaped corolla, with very short, upturned tendrils. That would say it is very strongly influenced by the species suaveolens, but not for sure a pure species.
Unfortuneately there have been many too many nearly identical seedlings to ever say it is anything but NOID. You might label it: pink suaveolens-type NOID.

Tom H.
Marysville, WA Zone 8a

 
 


(Login Tiedjens)
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Re: ID suggestions?

August 26 2008, 9:42 AM 

Agree with Tom, this one should remain in your collection and passed along as a No ID ( NOID) to prevent improper identification.

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(Login Celtguy)
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Re: ID suggestions?

August 26 2008, 11:08 AM 

Pretty, delicate coloring MJ. Sorry to hear about the havoc the storm wrecked upon your brugs. I know it's a set-back, but it's fortunate that brug cuttings grow so fast...hope your's are back up and blooming in no time.

I agree with Tom & RA...one of the most important lessons we can learn about brugs is we need to be very responsible about avoiding the "if it walks like a duck & quacks like a duck...it must be a duck" syndrome. Visual comparisons are inadequate in ID-ing a brug. In most cases, only genetic testing can positively ID one. One of the best things we can do as brug enthusiasts is to keep passing the word that it's important to avoid sticking a name on a NOID brug...either an existing name or one we decide to call the brug ourselves.



Patrick
USDA Zone 8b
Heat Zone 3
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SeaTac, WA...one cool place

 
 

(Login magialuna)
Hummingbird lover 2007

Re: ID suggestions?

August 27 2008, 4:37 PM 

Thanks to everyone for the input. NOID it is! G

My next question is will you look at this pic I took before the storm? This is 'Solid Gold' sitting in front of 'Charles Grimaldi', and both are blooming. I'll be hanged if I can see any difference in the blooms? (Even holding them side by side) Do ya think maybe the breeder goofed on tags? They were shipped from Country Gardens as 6-8" rooted cuttings.



Maryjane
W Ga
Zone 8a

 
 


(Login Tiedjens)
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Re: ID suggestions?

August 27 2008, 6:54 PM 

Maryjane,

Unfortunately there are many Brugs registered that look similar in size shape and color.
See here as an example....
http://www.abads.net/Brug-comparisons/

Sometimes it is very difficult to tell them apart even when you have them right there in front of you, I agree. It may be something as small a difference as the number of splits in the calyx, or one may be more insect resistant than the other.

If you got yours from Country Gardens then you can be fairly certain they are named correctly I believe.

I have had 3 here of a type that if their name tags fell off I could not tell you which one was which myself LOL.

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August 27 2008, 9:23 PM 

One other possibility is that that perhaps both those names could actually be the same cultivar. 'Solid Gold' was first sold in the late 90's by Native Habitat's Ethnobotanicals, and it's parents are unknown. Things were perhaps a little casual there in regards to nomenclature, so I wonder if this could just be a trade name used by them for Charles Grimaldi, or perhaps a lost-tag rename?
I would agree with Ruth Ann that how you received them from Country Gardens is probably exactly how they received them in the first place.

Tom H.
Marysville, WA Zone 8a


    
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(Login magialuna)
Hummingbird lover 2007

Re: ID suggestions?

August 27 2008, 10:27 PM 

Thanks so much for the help Ruth Ann and Tom. I tell ya...growing these babies makes me feel like a novice all over again, lol. (I can rattle off the latin on most any orchid you shove in my face.) I'm going to just enjoy what I have and quit fretting the small stuff.

Maryjane
W Ga
Zone 8a

 
 


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August 28 2008, 5:34 AM 

Quote:
I'm going to just enjoy what I have and quit fretting the small stuff.


As far as am concerned, that is the key to getting the most pleasure!

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(Login magialuna)
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Pink NOID

September 23 2008, 12:33 PM 

This thing is like the Energizer Bunny, lol. It keeps blooming and blooming...


(Sun baked.)


(Taken with flash before the sun came up and cooked the flowers.)

Maryjane
W Ga
Zone 8a


    
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Re: ID suggestions?

September 23 2008, 8:50 PM 

That looks similar to my NOID pink, that is blooming like crazy now (that it is fall and the weather is getting cooler).


 
 


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September 24 2008, 9:28 AM 

Don't you love them when they bloom this well and the evening fragrance in the garden makes it just that much more wonderful.

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(Login carrie751)

Re: ID suggestions?

September 25 2008, 9:28 AM 

Great shots, Maryjane, and what pleasure we get from these beauties.

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(Login magialuna)
Hummingbird lover 2007

Re: ID suggestions?

September 25 2008, 2:33 PM 

I walk out the front door in the evening and that aroma hits me. It is wonderful!

Maryjane
W Ga
Zone 8a

 
 
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