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Captured Chinese PzKw I in IJA Service

June 23 2009 at 9:31 AM
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Minasan,
Some time ago I stumbled upon a website with several photographs of Chinese PzKw I tanks which had been captured by IJA forces. Unfortunately I lost the link and now only have this photo:

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Does anyone have access to said link or even better, have copies of the images they can post or send?

Yoroshiku o negai shimasu.

Pat


 
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Interesting photo but....

June 24 2009, 11:25 AM 

Konbanwa, Pat-san.

I have seen only a dull smaller photo on magazine but it's first time to see this large photo.

Searching for a little while, here are some PzKw.1 captured by Sugawara Butai but no larger.
http://www2.ttcn.ne.jp/~heikiseikatsu/mokei/1ghotank.htm

Oyaku ni tatezu sumimasen.

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Thanks

June 25 2009, 9:44 PM 

Matsumoto san,
Domo arigato gozaimasu! That's a very interesting website. I don't read Japanese very well so I'm sure it will give me hours (and hours, and hours, and hours) of enjoyment with my denshi jiten. A fellow with the Axis discussion group sent me this link:

http://www.ostpanzer.asty.ru/topics/tanks/pz1/chinese-pz1.html

which might interest you. It's in Russian and I read Russian even more poorly than Japanese. Speaking of reading Japanese... this photo was on the ostpanzer website:

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The most I can get from it by glancing at it is that the photograph was taken outside of Nanking in December of 1937 and that it was a cameraman from the Osaka Maenichi Shinbun. Can you help me with a basic translation? The characters are a bit too small for me to make most of them out clearly.

Again, thanks very much for the information.

yoroshiku,

Pat




 
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Great link!!

June 26 2009, 8:21 AM 

Hi, Pat-san.

I knew three Pzkfw.1 was captured in battle around Nanking, but this's first time to see all three captured Pz.1!! After captured, those tanks had been examined at Shanghai. Then, further detailed investigation was done in Japan. IJA seems to have investigated the engine thoroughly especially. After the investigation had ended, it was open to the public in Hibiya Park as booty "Russian Light Tank".

Regrettably I couldn't read Russian, reqire to Russian-English translation. However I'm able to read those complex, abstract, symbolized, having keen edge characters!! wink.gif

Caption is;
"Japanese soldiers who gives cheers (Banzai) on Pzkfw.1 ausf A of Chinese army, cameraman of Osaka Mainichi Newspapers took a picture in the Nanjing front. Place of taking a picture is assumed to be "Hsia-Kuan (The Wharf On River Bank)". Seems a vehicle abandoned when withdrawing from wharf near Yangtze River, because there are not seeing the damage on vehicles. Taking a picture in December, 1937. "

Thanks for sharing very intersting photos!!

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Thanks!

June 26 2009, 11:39 AM 

Matsumoto san,
Thanks for the translation. It would have taken me a long time to look every charater up.

I work with a bunch of guys who speak Russian very well. I'll see if they can take a look at the Ostpanzer site when I get back to work on Monday. Don't know why that did't occur to me before.

The tanks were taken to Hibiya? I wonder what happened to them.

Thanks again for your help!

Best,

Pat

 
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Babel Fish.

June 28 2009, 11:44 AM 

Hi, Pat-san.

Appreciate your kindness, and I was able to read the Ostpanzer site using Babel Fish. It could get good translation that wrote simple Russian.
http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ostpanzer.asty.ru%2Ftopics%2Ftanks%2Fpz1%2Fchinese-pz1.html+&lp=ru_en&btnTrUrl=Translate

As a result I found there is new looking information that captured Pz.1 was possibly rearmed by Soviet machine guns DP -28.

Some photos of CV33, T-26 and Vickers Mk.E in URL I pasted seem to have been taken in Yasukuni JInja. And Pz.1 bottom of page was taken after target examinatio by IJA 37mm Anti Tank Gun. It's mysterious how those became afterwards....

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DP-28? Wow!

July 1 2009, 9:05 AM 

Matsumoto san,
Great translation! I'm very interested that the site says the tanks were fitted with DP-28s. I'm not yet convinced that it was actually the case though. The flash hiders on the guns sure seem to look like DP-28s but having crawled around inside a couple of Pz Is don't see how it is possible that a top loading weapon like that would work in a Pz I turret. There would just be no room to get the magazine fitted to the gun. I will post something over on the Axis group and see if anyone with more experience with German vehicles has any ideas. Very cool information though. It would be interesting to know what happened to the other vehicles that were displayed at Yasukuni. Maybe melted down for scrap during the war?

Again, thanks!

Pat

 
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No DP-28.

July 2 2009, 8:35 AM 

Hi all.

The MGs on the PzKpfw I in Chinese service were simple MG13 with flash suppressors.

I'm building one right now, have bought two sets of the great barrels from Adlers Nest::

http://www.perthmilitarymodelling.com/reviews/vehicles/adlersnest/anm35019-20.htm

HTH,
Peter

 
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