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Nikko Stirling Diamond 10 - 50 x 60 Scopes are No Longer Imported to the US!!!

May 11 2011 at 1:26 PM
  (Login Trojan1994)
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Just spoke to Legacy Sports, the importer, and it's official, they are no longer importing the big Diamond Scopes!!! They are out of stock of the mildots but have a few NATO Reticle versions On Hand.

They will continue to bring the Target Master version which as they put it is "different", when asked if the glass is the same, better or worse than the Diamond's I was told "flip a coin"...

Considering the Target Master sells for under $400 at SWFA:

http://swfa.com/Nikko-Stirling-10-50x60-Targetmaster-30mm-Riflescope-P49001.aspx

It's probably a rehashed version of the old Night Eater version of the Diamond that had cruddy glass...maybe not, looks like the Sightron is gonna be the flavor of the day/year for the class and price point that the Diamond held for years...

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Tony


 
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Keep an eye out on the Falcon T50

May 11 2011, 1:47 PM 

The first production models are now in stores in the UK and some guys have just received them. I contacted the Falcon resellers here and I'm hearing June/July timeframe. Initial price looks like about $600-$625 (they are 399GBP in the UK).

http://www.falconoptics.com/T5010-50x60.php



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Falcon, long awaited...but what is their After Point of Sale Support Like?

May 11 2011, 1:51 PM 

Who is the US Importer and will they service these scopes, replace them or is the owner of the dead scope in need of having to ship the scope to UK on their own and "HOPE" they will ship one back over the pond to the customer?

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Tony

 
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They have several distributors listed but I don't know who the importer is

May 11 2011, 1:54 PM 

I'll ask them!

As for service I suppose that remains to be seen. What's going to happen to Nikko owners now? Will Legacy still replace them or are people S.O.L. if they have issues?

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I read reports that weren't favorable on other

May 11 2011, 2:02 PM 

falcons that failed in the US in the past...let us know what you find out.

No idea on what happens to the Diamonds that fail now, maybe you get a "2FER", i.e. 2 new Target Masters in exchanges for 1 bad Diamond, lol?!?! happy.gif

It'll be interesting to see what happens...

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Tony

 
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I just fired off a number of emails

May 11 2011, 2:05 PM 

We'll see what comes of it.

Be nice if Hawke would take this market and run with it. I'm agonizing over a big FT scope and esp. now the the Nikko situation is in limbo it seems like there is a gaping hole between high end and low end at this point.

Casey

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Give the Sightron a good look...

May 11 2011, 2:09 PM 

As with the Big Nikko Diamonds, I hear the Sightron's vary scope to scope...One at my club is quite happy, 2 others were just ok about theirs...

Keep us posted and yeah, I met Brad at 2009 Nationals and he touted they were about 2 months or so from releasing their FT scope...still waiting!!!

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Tony

 
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Answer from SWFA

May 11 2011, 2:49 PM 

Importer - SWFA is the importer for Falcon - warranty service would go through them

Fix or Replace? - They stated that it would most likely be a replacement vs a fix policy - since the Falcon comes from the UK it would just take too long for the wait for a fix.

Warranty - waiting for confirmation but appears to be limited lifetime rather than normal Falcon 5 year policy

-Casey




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Thanks Casey! nt

May 11 2011, 3:49 PM 







 
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Answers direct from Falcon

May 12 2011, 11:44 AM 

They mirror pretty much what SWFA said:

Falcon scopes are exported directly to the dealers - it doesn't sound like there is one importer and then multiple distributors.

Warranty contact point is the dealer for returns, not Falcon directly.

It will have limited lifetime warranty

In almost all instances, warranty work will = replacement, not repair

-Casey

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Thanks for the update! nt

May 12 2011, 11:47 AM 









 
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No problem - it sounds like they are trying pretty hard to do this right

May 12 2011, 11:48 AM 

The U.S. will undoubtedly be a much smaller market for them but at the same time it will be good to know if they will still provide good service.

Casey

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I may just pick one up to see

May 12 2011, 12:28 PM 

How good they are, very attractive scope, price and feature wise.

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Tony

 
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**Falcon T50 Manual**

May 12 2011, 3:21 PM 

http://cid-993754651159fcd1.office.live.com/embedicon.aspx/Airgun%20Documents/T50FT%20Manual.pdf



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**T50 Review threads**

May 12 2011, 3:26 PM 

Review Thread: http://www.airrifle.co.za/showthread.php?t=19507

Order/Review Thread: http://www.airrifle.co.za/showthread.php?t=19511

Review Thread - Shooting the Breeze:http://shooting-the-breeze.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3094&page=16



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The Reason Why

May 13 2011, 10:20 AM 

Guys,

Last December while talking to someone with full knowledge on this matter (that will remain nameless), Was informed the reason why L.S. decided to discontinue importing the Diamonds was their very low yearly sales volume, their expectation was for sales of hundred per months and in reality they sold perhaps 100 or so a year. Also another pressing issue was the fact that were having lots of large magnification Nighteaters returned due to clarity, side wheel and turrets failures. This scopes were economically priced and a favorite among airgunners, but they weren't designed for heavy or constant cycling of the turrets or focusing or larger side wheel, as well as the lens clarity were sort of marginal on the larger magnifications. So the decision was made for Nikko to sort of combine products and go after the powder burners benchrest business, Nightforce comes to mind. They took the existing Targetmaster platform and improved the turret and focusing mechanism, but s[ecially in the lenses, since the manufacturer had integrated a new lens coating technology that offered far superior coatings quality, thus superior optics quality.

I bought three targetmaster from the 1st production Nov 2010 run and the lesser magnifications are a hit, their clarity and focusing its equal to a scope worth 2 or 3 grands. In the case of the 10-50x60 had a distance error and some sort of clarity issue, so its going back, but a good friend with the same size its very pleased, the focusing and clarity its equal if not better than the Green Cap Diamonds, perhaps a got a fluke with that one, so lets see what comes on the next. The down side of the Targetmaster are the Non-Target (non-traveling) turrets in comparison ot the Diamonds, since all the movements is done internally, this can be an inconvenience, but there are ways to work around this, by means of a turret wheel with a provision for a hard stop fixed to the tube body.

If the clarity and focusing are not an issue for the Targetmaster 10-50x60 scope this is a winner in my book since the discount houses have taken a $514- MSRP scope and are selling it for about $400- dollars.


 
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