Ive been starting a more consistent practice regimen and am running into questions about form and consistency. If I start shooting (from my knee, no straps), I start to fatigue about 20 shots in. Ill shoot six targets at a time to simulate a lane, and at only 25 yards as that is all I have. The targets are rows of quarter inch circles on paper, and if say 10 shots all touch the circle, they would all knock down a 33 Troyer. I realize this type of practice does not involve ranging or angled shots, although winds change frequently, so thats a plus. When you guys sit down for a session, how many shots do you take? Does your group size dictate when to stop, or is it purely shots taken? Also, is it entirely stupid to practice with a gun that I dont use in a match? To get a little more wind work, Ill shoot a 6lb rifle with wadcutters at 25 yards. Its definitely more challenging than 12lbs with domes, but am I doing myself a dis-service learning how one rifle and ammo shoots that I dont compete with? Any thoughts will be greatly appreciated. Thanks all!
Ive been starting a more consistent practice regimen and am running into questions about form and consistency. If I start shooting (from my knee, no straps), I start to fatigue about 20 shots in.
-----i shoot hunter class (bucket) so i don't get that kind of fatigue. i shoot all afternoon, for instance.
Ill shoot six targets at a time to simulate a lane, and at only 25 yards as that is all I have. The targets are rows of quarter inch circles on paper, and if say 10 shots all touch the circle, they would all knock down a 33 Troyer. I realize this type of practice does not involve ranging or angled shots, although winds change frequently, so thats a plus.
-----angled shots are not a big part of FT (where i shoot) however ranging is a big part, particularly distances LESS than 20 yards and MORE than 35 yards. at least you can work on the shorter distances where you are.
When you guys sit down for a session, how many shots do you take?
-----up to 500 if i'm having a good time and the weather is comfortable
Does your group size dictate when to stop, or is it purely shots taken?
-----if groups deteriorate badly, or if the weather gets uncomfortable, or if it gets dark, i stop
Also, is it entirely stupid to practice with a gun that I dont use in a match?
-----Well, i'd never call anyone stupid if they're shooting an airgun, but you would benefit by practicing with the one you shoot with.
To get a little more wind work, Ill shoot a 6lb rifle with wadcutters at 25 yards. Its definitely more challenging than 12lbs with domes, but am I doing myself a dis-service learning how one rifle and ammo shoots that I dont compete with?
-----you ARE learning wind doping, but using a different rifle and different pellets is (probably) not helping you.
Any thoughts will be greatly appreciated. Thanks all!
-----if you're near northern va, get in touch with me, i've got 50+ yards and some shade. if not, look for other shooters near you. lots of people love to have a shooting buddy
Start with the least tiring position and end with the most tiring. For me, this typically means ft sitting to start, kneeling, and offhand to end. Try to get about ten shots kneeling and offhand, each.
It is good that you are practicing more. Shooting is a parishable skill.
I believe it is important to practice with the gun you compete with. every gun has its unique features and reactions to the shot. duplicating the hold that is needed and the trigger control are very important. getting used to your trigger that you are going to compete with is in my mind critical. The weight and balance is also critical as so many small muscle memory and motor skills are involved that have to be trained to that gun's balance. In spite of our attempts to remove muscle from the equation small periferal muscles are engaged and they have to be trained against fatigue.
Do ALL practice with your competition rifle. shooting wind with a lower powered rifle is probably not going to be rellevant since the wind shooting characteristics just won't match real world for your rifle.
as for when to quit, i try to get in a couple of hours in a session except my indoor sessions in my office where i might take only 25 shots. When i go out doors its minimum an hour and a half. I take wednesday morning off and all day friday. Wednesday (yesterday) i shot outdoors at 32-50 yards for an hour and a half followed by an 18 mile bike ride. I followed that with full body weight training in the evening. I will repeat that tomorrow with a longer bike ride preceeded by two hours of shooting. I came to the conclusion that if i want to compete against much younger men that i need to be fit and lose weight. I am 67.
Joe McDaniel's advice and also have a small contribution.
Whenever I practice without a shooting harness, I place my bum bag near a tree. Between shots I just lean up against the tree. When shooting, I'm not in contact. This little trick can really extend my practice times without fatigue.
Rodney Boyce once told me to shoot at 1/2" circles at all ranges. I made a nice target and printed bold numbers above each circle. This way you and a shootin pal can say stuff like,"Hey, look at my groups on numbers 10 thru 15.
It just makes shooting with a bud a little more fun. When I drew the circles I made sure the line width of the printer yielded about 1/16" thick lines. These BOLD circles are easy to see at 55 yards.
Somewhere in your practice area hang a surveyors 1" wide orange tape from a tree located mid range and another from your muzzle to get used to tape deflection and windage holdover.
Best advice I can give ya, is to find a place to practice that is longer than 25 yards. Find a 55 yard location.
I have read each response many times and do very much appreciate the feedback. Looks like I need to send more lead farther and stand up more. And I'll leave the R7 on the rack. I might even try kneeling. Thanks guys.
Many years ago, Rodney Boyce gave me a practice tip that has servrd me well. He said to take 10 shots a day - rain or shine - every day. Position didn't matter, just shooting your dedicated FT rifle so that you knew its performance under all conditions.
FT position has to be mastered as well - but is very subjective because of your body build. Some feel comfortable shooting off the knee and others off the arm or prone. But knowing where your rifle will shoot each time you squeeze the trigger pays the greatest dividends for me.
Rodney was a fine gentleman and great teacher. His advice is something I will never forget and even use today, long after my FT competition days are over.
The other bit of advice I still use came from Nick Jenkinson. Nick taught me to use a thumbs up hand position and to gently squeeze my thumb and the pad of the trigger finger together until the shot breaks. Works for me. Steve
This message has been edited by JW652 on Jul 20, 2012 9:01 AM
Last year after the Nationals, I was sore and stiff for a whole week afterward. Since early April I started doing push ups. I was watching a convict documentary and noted that their push up routine. They get up and get down with a certain number of push ups. The first day I did just one push up and got up and got down 30-40 times. I was wore out. Then I watched another show and noted they were doing a few push ups and getting up. So I now do 10 get up and get downs with a push up inbetween...then 2 push ups with every get up get down. If you do 10-20-30-40 pushups (sets of 1-2-3-4 in intervals of 10) thats 100 push ups. I do about 280 pushs a day 2-3 times per week. This sorted out my lower back pain and stiff neck I have had for years. I feel like I am 20 again. I also started joggin 1 mile 2-3 times per week.
Now with that...I am less fatigued in the ft position.
Now for practice...I am knocking down a 3/8" kill zone @ 37 yards 10 times in a row...
then 3/4" @ 35 yards for kneeling...for 10 knock downs...then 1" kz @ 35 yards for 10 knock downs in free handed....
I use the straps and jacket when practicing...
I would suggest learning how to make your cross hairs not move when you shoot....
hope this helps.
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