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Jacket versus Harness

July 10 2017 at 5:19 PM

dan_house  (Login dan_house)
YC

One reason, biggest reason really, I still shoot open is the harness.......

Even after 6 or 7 years of shooting FT, I stlll fell like Im timing over backwards a lot without the harness.

Wondeirng if a slightly higher seat cushion and a jacket will help that? The harness is pain, interferes with getting the USFT hardware down to my body, forces you out of a good position when extreme up or down shots .... and useless for standing/kneeling/prone.....

I know some positional adjustments help, but event then I still feel like Im rocking over backwards, unless tilted down hill to start with....



 
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Paul Porch
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Dan, what do you have in your bum bag. I switched to buckwheat hulls and

July 10 2017, 9:00 PM 

I love it. You sit and position yourself and there is where you stay. No sliding around like with styro.

Only bad thing is the weight increases.

Also I adjusted the harness until I got myself tight.

It will also help if you are shooting forward more than sideways, unless you support the rifle over your folded arm. Then you need to be sideways.

 
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Boomer
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Paul- how many pounds of BW hulls do you need to fill a typical bag?

July 10 2017, 9:43 PM 

I am considering buying some and I can find 5lb and 10lb bags, but I am not sure how much is really needed. I have 2 bags that I need to fill should I make the change.

Shed some light on this for me Brother. I greatly appreciate it.

Thanks,
Boomer
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Paul Porch
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Brian, rt now I have just a hair over 7 lbs in mine. I like to be a little higher off

July 11 2017, 6:24 AM 

the ground. I don't like being a half inch from hitting the deck. The hulls put me about 4" up off the ground where my butt is. The rest shapes around you like clay, and unless you squiggle/shift into another position, your arsk will not move. Period.

The 7 lbs fades away after toting it for several matches. It not what you want to clip to your belt like styro, but it does not break down or shift.

I found them to be less $ on Amazon.com, but that was 2 years ago. (And they have not broken down yet or needed refilling). However Ebay or other sources may have dropped the price.

See you in a few weeks at the Crosman. If you want to wait, you can try mine. I think you will go that route once you sit in the "comfy chair".....lol

 
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Boomer
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Thanks Paul. I will definitely "test ride" yours at Crosman before I buy any.

July 11 2017, 7:50 AM 

Thanks for helping out!

Boomer
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Paul Porch
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Hey that's what us baby "Boomer's " do...lol

July 11 2017, 8:19 AM 


 
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dan_house
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In thebag? its some kind of hull

July 11 2017, 11:26 AM 

very dark brown,a lost black and slightly smaller than sunflower hulls......

Ive emptied about half out of the bag, makes it easier to scrunch down into the bag....


I shoot off my left knee (right handed shooter)... hmm shoot more forward.. Ok Ill work on that.....


 
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Paul Porch
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Dan, I too shoot off my left knee. Lately I found it steadier to shoot turned

July 11 2017, 1:49 PM 

Slightly more forward. Not facing directly at the target with my feet. If looking down at my position from above, I have my left foot more at
A 2 o'clock position and my rt foot at 3 o'clock. This points my rifle more forward naturally.

I was shooting with my legs spread out. Now I have my knees closer together instead of wide apart. Makes me steadier.

 
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Paul Porch
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By the way Dan, I now put the harness on under my jacket...! No issues with

July 11 2017, 1:55 PM 

Straps or buckles now..... As the advertisement goes " Try it, You'll like it" !

 
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dan_house
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under the jacket?

July 12 2017, 11:40 AM 

and just not close the coat?


 
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Paul Porch
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I connect the top of the harness, and then the top two bucks of the jacket. I have the

July 12 2017, 6:13 PM 

all position zippers on the side of the coat bottom. I leave them open.

It is comfortable for me. I feel the harness top strap more then the coat.

It nearly eliminated my pulsing. Now instead of pulsing from 7 O'clock up to 2 O'clock Through the KZ. I now have the center dot floating around inside the KZ.

 
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dan_house
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Thats pretty much how I orient myself to the target also

July 12 2017, 11:37 AM 

then my gun is pointed at 12:00 naturally. But often I need to "fine-tune" that a bit to get a more natural point of aim.


I have found there is a sweet spot for how wide your feet and knees should be


    
This message has been edited by dan_house on Jul 12, 2017 11:41 AM


 
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Chris Corey
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Dan, I took a slightly different route than Paul

July 11 2017, 7:56 PM 

I started shooting in Open with a harness in 2015. At the end of the season, I bought a Creedmoor jacket with the intention of wearing the jacket and harness together. I tried it and I didn't like it. It was really cumbersome feeling to me. So I started just wearing the jacket and found I was as steady as I was with the harness. I am also a lot more comfortable wearing the jacket . To me,it's so much easier to adjust for different course conditions. I shot the Puerto Rico GP this year. They had some very steep down hill shots. I don't know how I would have shot them with a harness. I really like the ability to adjust my legs per the shooting conditions.
I agree whole heartedly about the buckwheat hulls. They make a super stable platform. I was using close to 10 lbs in my bum bag. But I have switched back to Styrofoam. I had to empty my bag so I could pack it for the flight to Puerto Rico. I refilled it in Puerto Rico with Styrofoam and have left it that way.

 
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Ronnie Easton Match Director in Sacramento
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i use about 7-8 lbs of buck wheat hulls and about 3 lbs of crushed cork

July 12 2017, 12:01 AM 

and find it very nice but heavy! i was wondering if you like the Styrofoam better than the buck wheat, and what the weight would be filled to the same bag height??. also, what kind of Styrofoam did you use. i assume the small pebbles??

thanks happy.gif
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Chris Corey
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Ronnie, my bag was right at 5.5" with 10 lbs.

July 12 2017, 7:47 AM 

of buckwheat hulls. I really liked the way the buckwheat hulls would conform to my butt. It offered great support. But since I switched back to Styrofoam, I really haven't wanted to switch back for a couple of reasons. I use a RAW bum bag & all the weight of the hulls caused a split in the seam. The bag was very close to being completely full. Secondly I don't miss toting that heavy bag around. So for now, I'm sticking with the Styrofoam pebbles. I bought a big bag of them off of Amazon a few years ago & have quite a bit left.

 
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dan_house
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Uphill isn't bad

July 12 2017, 11:43 AM 

but some times down is a real pain in a harness......

hmm gotta look at jacket...

 
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