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Who is Victor Brooks?

by Investigator (no login)

In gathering documentation for the lawsuit, the following information has been discovered about Victor Brooks. His posts on Network54 reveal that he uses many authors to conceal his true identity. All of his IP Addresses are revealed at the bottom of each post, and are being sent primarily from 5 of his IP computer addresses as noted below. All IP Addresses have been traced coming from the State of Florida and from a particular home/work computer address.
Victor Brooks is from the West Indies and was recently hired by Burnett International University.
It appears that all of the following posts are being written by one person….Victor Brooks, a disgruntled ex-employee!

JBGDL Historian - IP# 68.18.60.127
JBGDL historian - IP# 68.157.6.29
Jab Jab - IP# 68.157.6.68
Jab Jab - IP# 68.157.6.68
JBGDL's public defender Maxy Paxy - IP# 68.157.6.156
Observer from the side - IP# 68.157.6.156
LS WILTSHIRE - IP# 68.157.6.156
Jab Jab - IP# 68.157.18.73
JBGDL historian - IP# 68.157.18.73
Jab Jab IP# 68.157.18.217
JBGDL historian - IP# 68.157.18.217
Copier - IP# 68.157.59.109
Top Cat - IP# 68.157.59.101

Anonymous - IP# 68.210.2.60
LS Wiltshire - IP# 68.210.2.60
Looking on - IP# 68.210.2.60
Jab Jab - IP# 68.210.2.60
Edmund Dantes, Court of Monte Christo - IP# 68.210.2.60
JBGDL historian - IP# 68.210.4.35
JBGDL Historian - IP# 68.210.4.35
JBGDL apologist - IP# 68.210.4.35
The Truth - IP# 68.210.4.35
Jab Jab - IP# 68.210.4.113
Jab Jab - IP# 68.210.12.67
Jab Jab - IP# 68.210.12.208
Defrauded by JBGDL - IP# 68.210.12.208
L:S WILTSHIRE - IP# 68.210.12.178
Wow - IP# 68.210.12.208
Jab Jab - IP# 68.210.12.208
Jab Jab with uppercuts - IP# 68.210.12.208
JBGDL Historian - IP# 68.210.12.208
Jab Jab – IP# 68.210.16.122
ValueMD could close the threads but they cant stop swine flu - IP# 68.210.18.50
Anonymous - IP# 68.210.23.11
Jab Jab - IP# 68.210.23.38
JBGDL historian - IP# 68.210.23.176
All for exposing them - IP# 68.210.32.247
Jab Jab - IP# 68.210.32.247
JBGDL Historian - IP# 68.210.46.6

Jab Jab - IP# 70.152.209.215
Representative of unfaired ex JBGDL St. - IP# 70.152.209.215
JBGDL Historian - IP# 70.152.209.215
LS Wiltshire - IP# 70.152.209.215
Top Cat - IP# 70.152.209.122
JBGDL Historian - IP# 70.152.253.227
LS Wiltshire – IP# 70.152.254.173
ThE SWINE FLU WILL HELP ELIMINATE thE DE LARA SCAM - IP# 72.146.75.21
Jab Jab – IP# 72.146.75.159
JBGDL Historian - IP# 72.146.75.159
Anonymous - IP# 72.146.112.110
Observer of JBGDL ways - IP# 72.146.112.110
Zee Admirer - IP# 72.146.113.163
Zee Truth Admirer - IP# 72.146.113.163
Another Zee Admirer - IP# 72.146.113.163
Didn't know better - IP# 72.146.113.163
Watching at the border - IP# 72.146.113.163
JBGDL Historian - IP# 72.146.113.159
Prospective JBGDL student - IP# 72.146.114.112
Jab Jab - IP# 72.146.114.200
JBGDL historian - IP# 72.146.115.207
LS WILTSHIRE - IP# 72.154.165.25
Jab Jab – IP# 72.154.165.70
Anonymous - IP# 72.154.165.233
re the $1,000 offer - IP# 72.154.173.57
Jab Jab - IP# 72.154.173.57
Jab Jab - IP# 72.154.173.64
Won't be bullied - IP# 72-154.173.113

New JBGDL ADVERTISING - IP# 74.230.88.25
JAb Jab - IP# 74.230.88.128
Anonymous - IP# 74.230.88.128
JBGDL Historian - IP# 74.230.88.128
What A Howler - IP# 74.230.100.110
I have a Question JBGDL - IP# 74.230.100.110
Jab Jab IP# 74.230.100.110
JBGDL Historian – IP# 74.230.100.158
a Vindicted LS wiltshire - IP# 74.230.100.158
JBGDL admin - IP# 74.230.100.158
JAB JAB - IP# 74.230.100.158
JAB JAB - IP# 74.230.100.181
Jab Jab - IP# 74.230.100.181

Investigation Reports have confirmed that Victor Brooks has been using consistently the above IP# Addresses to send hundreds of slanderous posts against the Escuela de Medicina Jose Bernardo Gutierrez de Lara, a Mexican authorized medical school in Nueva Ciudad Guerrero, Tamaulipas, Mexico.
Over 100 posts have already been copied and certified as authentic by a private investigator that specializes in identifying IP owners. Such findings will be presented to both courts of laws in the United States of America and in Mexico for civil and criminal prosecution. The proper authorities in each country have been notified and investigation into the criminal conduct is underway. As for civil prosecution, litigation has already been initiated in the courts of the United States of America, Southern District of Texas. If you need the particulars, please let us know and we will provide you with the Court Name and Style of the pending litigation.

Posted on Jun 13, 2009, 3:18 PM
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Investigator, you are investigating the wrong man, man LOL

by Mr Logical (no login)




Why does this chap bother you so? IS IT BECAUSE HE HAS CONSISTENTLY BEEN TELLING THE TRUTH?

OR IS IT BECAUSE YOU CANT GET HIM TO GO AWAY?

WHY CANT YOU REBUTT ANYTHING THAT IS BEEING SAID ON THE FORUM?

Why does this chap use 5 IP addresses?

How does 5 IP addresses come from the same home/work computer address?.

Have you really checked to see if he is actually hired by Burnett International University?.

Does coming from the West Indies make his posts less credible?

Certainly the quality of his prose, and the way that he has articulated what he has said indicates that he is very well educated. Seems that he attended EXCELLENT SCHOOLS & SCHOOLS OF EXCELLENCE? CAN THE SAME BE SAID ABOUT JBGDL?

CAN EVEN A DRUNKEN MAN REFER TO JBGDL AS EITHER AN EXCELLENT SCHOOL & A SCHOOL OF EXCELLENCE?

Doesn’t he have good cause to be disgruntled? You guys allegedly wasted US$ 1.5 in 6 months and then fired the man for trying to help you fix your school.

One of your Deans has confessed on valueMd that you should copy the ideas he gave you online.

Since when is the TRUTH slanderous?

Do you think he cares about your lawsuit?

Does the fact that the posts you list as being written by one person change the FACTS?

Why does Escuela de Medicina Jose Bernardo Gutierrez de Lara not clean up their act and offer proper facilities and faculty?

Why does Escuela de Medicina Jose Bernardo Gutierrez de Lara not answer any question or rebutt any truth reported about them?

When you present all this evidence to both courts of laws in the United States of America and in Mexico for civil and criminal prosecution, will you be able to get blood out of stone?

So you have copied and certified over 100 posts eh? SO WHY DON’T YOU COME HERE AND ANSWER ANY OF THE QUESTIONS ASKED IN ANY OF THE POSTS? OR REBUTT ANYTHING THAT HAS BEEN SAID?

e.g are you really going to offer clinicals from local hospitals with 10-12 beds or from GREEN BOOK HOPSPITALS?

WHY HAVE YOU EFFECTIVELY RAISED YOUR TUITION COSTS EVEN THOUGH YOU CONTINUE TO OFFER A POOR EDUCATION

Prospective students do not need to know the particulars of your law soup or the Court Name and Style of the pending litigation, THEY NEED ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS SUCH AS

HOW MANY OF YOUR STUDENTS HAVE TAKEN AND PASSED THE USMLE STEP 1 EXAM?

WHO WILL BE TEACHING THE CURRICULUM THAT YOU ARE OFFERING?

IS THE CURRICULUM THAT YOU ARE OFFERING THE SAME AS THAT FOR WHICH YOU GOT THE REVOE?


You chaps need to play the BALL rather than the MAN!


You chaps need to ADDRESS the MESSAGE BEING PUT OUT ABOUT YOUR LOUSY SCHOOL rather than the MESSNGER!

Your threats do not frighten either the MAN- THE MESSENGER!

Rather the MAN- THE MESSENGER is affecting YOU!

The MAN- THE MESSENGER is running you RAGGED!





Posted on Jun 13, 2009, 4:05 PM
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Re: Who is Victor Brooks?

by Anonymous (no login)


Posted on Jun 13, 2009, 4:08 PM
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Re: Who is Victor Brooks?

by Anonymous (no login)

Wasnt he the chap that wrote the letter to the Prime Minister of the Cook's Island that resulted in The Cooks Government closing down the would be medical school for missionaries that offered no courses in Bible or Missionary training?


Oh he is one of the chaps that JBGDL lists as a defendant in thier law soup?


NO he is the fellow that MOCKS the poor attempt of a Medical School being run by Larry Sands and Company in Mexico.

NO he is the chap that keeps asking JBGDL questions on this forum that they CAN NOT ANSWER HONESTLY HERE!

I hope that I have not slandered, harassed or defamed this chap?

Investigator, are you checking the ISP's still?

Posted on Jun 13, 2009, 4:31 PM
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Finnaly Investigator earns his check !!!

by (no login)


.......YYYYYOOUUUUU HIT THE JACKPOT DUDE !!!

do they pay you by the quality or the quantity of bull **** ?

Instead of a pint, this time you delivered kilos of crap !!!

ARE YOU PROUD???


I can't wait to read my description......... I'm actually scared ****less you know ...LOL


Just one thing u should know. THE CRAP YOU DELIVERED IS JUST AS WORTHLESS AS THE OTHER POSTINGS


You are so fu(bleep)ken talented............WOW



z u

Posted on Jun 13, 2009, 5:35 PM
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You thought that the Zetas was all you had to worry about

by The King of Imagination (no login)

What about a rabid coyote. Yeah. That's what I said, rabid coyote.

Turns out that for years there has been an epidemic of rabies in the coyotes of Zapata, Roma, Rio Grande and all of those places across the border from Guerrero. The situation is bad enough that the State of Texas sends every year a flotilla of airplanes to drop from the air an edible vaccine. It actually takes all of these airplanes about three weeks to complete the job. And it costs thousands of state dollars, but it does not end because the reservoir of the disease is in Mexican dogs and coyotes with which the Texas coyotes consort or who knows what.

So, when you drive those desolate Texas roads toward the destination where your dream will probably become your nightmare, beware. Don't just get out of your car to see the sunrise, sunset or smell the flowers. If you get attacked by a coyote you will be in a mess. And same for Mexico.

One of these days I may post something about the rattle snakes!


Posted on Jun 12, 2009, 6:04 PM
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Why has JBGDL tuition gone up?

by Jab Jab (no login)

In July 2006 The San antonio Sun put out an article on JBGDL when it was masquerading as IMSA. The article read in part

On the IMSA Web site (www.imsaonline.us) posted almost two weeks ago, Sands was offering a special price of $25,000 for the entire course of study to the first 50 students who qualify. After that, the price for the complete four-year academic program (packed into three calendar years) jumps to $39,000 — about a fifth the cost of a four-year degree program in the United States.


NOTE
1- THE TUITION COST WAS $25,000 FOR THE ENTIRE COURSE IN 2006

even at that low cost they could only get 7 desperate students to go to Guerero

2- BUT NOW IN 2009, AFTER THREE YEARS OF A LESS THAN STELLAR START THE COST IS 25,000 FOR ONLY THE BASIC SCIENCE PORTION !

that means that their tuition costs has gone up

that means that Larry - the so called Baptist preacher- didnt obey the BIble! HE DIDNT COUNT THE COST AT THE BEGINNING! What a twit!

But why dont they include the cost of the clinical part of the training?

Is it because they know that their Basic Science curriculumwont prepare students to pass the USMLE step 1 and proceed to clinicals?

Is it because they plan to cut you lose if perchance you do a miracle and pass the USMLE step 1?

Is it because they can not purchase clinical sites?

Or is it because they dont plan to purchase clinical sites?

BE SURE TO ASK THEM BEFORE YOU GO DOWN THERE ABOUT THE CLINICAL TRAINING COMPONENT OF YOUR TRAINING AND GET A SIGNED AGREEMENT ABOUT THIS!

GET A SIGNED AGREEMENT FROM THEM FOR EVERYTHING!



Posted on Jun 13, 2009, 10:18 AM
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Zee Truth is a HERO but LARRY SANDS IS A ZERO!

by Zee Admirer (no login)

Zee Truth is a HERO but LARRY SANDS IS A ZERO!


Zee Truth is a HERO because he has ratted JBGDL out completely, and told us about the inner workings of JBGDL uniFARCEITY!

LARRY SANDS IS A ZERO because all he can thibnk about is HIS DREAM and about the hundreds of students he want to CREAM!

But Zee on his back like a poultice on a boil.

Zee on his bullocks like a prime Texas long horn BULL.

LARRY SANDS, THE ZERO IS GETTING A BULLING!

Posted on Jun 13, 2009, 10:32 AM
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Cant’ believe anything JBGDL says

by Jab Jab (no login)

Can't eat chicken :Bird flu.
Can't eat Beef: Mad cow....
Can't eat eggs:Salmonella.
Can't eat fish: heavy metal poisons in their waters.
Can't eat fruits and veggies:insecticides and herbicides.

Hmmmmmmmmm!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can't attend JBGDL: EXTREMELY POOR EDUCATION OFFERED FROM BORROWED ONE DOOR WINDOWLESS FIRE TRAP!

Cant’ believe anything JBGDL says: they have been exposed as perpetual liars

Can't attend JBGDL UNTIL THEY CAN GET STUDENTS TO PASS USMLE IN LESS THAN MORE THAN THREE YEARS STUDYING THERE! LOL

Posted on Jun 13, 2009, 10:52 AM
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On Damages & Prayers

by JAb Jab (no login)


Re . DAMAGES in the JBGDL law soup it is written:-

35. Plaintiffs seek direct compensatory damages and punitive damages commensurate with the conduct of the defendants and in accordance with the evidence adduced at trial. The tuition per student lost is in excess of $25,000.00 (United States Dollars). At this time it is believed that the conduct of the defendants has caused the loss of more than 100 recruits (more than $2,500,000 US Dollars). Discovery is ongoing and Plaintiff would request the opportunity to supplement as is necessary in the future.

RESPONSE

You guys ran two inefficient medical schools via your long distance Dean from San Antonio. Then you ran for one year with one solitary teacher teaching the entire Basic Sciences program IN ONE YEAR in 20 HOUR WEEKS in a one door no window borrowed classroom in a little town at least 30-50 miles from proper stores, hospitals and basics of life.

And then you expect that no one should be told of your actions? You expect rave reviews for your non stellar school? ITS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!


Re it is believed that the conduct of the defendants has caused the loss of more than 100 recruits (more than $2,500,000 US Dollars)

That is your failure all the time; YOU BELIEVE THAT THINGS MUST GO THE WAY YOU WANT THEM TO GO. WHAT ABOUT GIVING ASSURANCES TO PROSPECTIVE STUDENTS BY ANSWERING ALL THE QUESTIONS ASKED OF YOU? .


Re YOUR PRAYER:

Man you guys want prayers for truth.

You set up a school with an improper curriculum, which you have now finally changed to one resembling that followed by the industry AFTER TWO WHOLE YEARS OF TEACHING ONLINE.

You set up a school with inadequate FACILITIES & FACULTY; to wit one solitary teacher teaching the entire Basic Sciences program IN ONE YEAR in 20 HOUR WEEKS in a borrowed one door no window fire trap classroom in a little town at least 30-50 miles from proper stores, hospitals and basics of life.

And you continued so to do after being exposed for your short comings relative to even the very worse schools in the industry, and you EXPECT TO BULLY PERSONS WHO WERE SEEKING TO PUT YOU RIGHT INTO SUBMISSION TO YOUR ERRANT & ABERRANT WAYS?

STOP PRAYING, GET UP OF YOUR KNEES AND DO THE CORRECT THING.


By the way Larry. it seems you are not only having wet dreams, but you having short comings too? LOL

Posted on Jun 13, 2009, 11:04 AM
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WHY SHOULD ANY RIGHT THINKING PERSON BELIEVE THAT THEY CAN GET A PROPER EDUCATION AT JBGD

by Mr Logical (no login)

If a cat had kittens in an oven, would they be considered bread?

Is chalk cheese when eaten?

Are you a fool when you ask stupid questions?

When ya tell lies long enough do lies become truth? and does the story teller become a saint?

Should the wavering mind believe that SATAN is GOD?

SO WHY SHOULD ANY RIGHT THINKING PERSON BELIEVE THAT THEY CAN GET A PROPER EDUCATION AT JBGDL IN THIS WORLD………….OR THE NEXT?

Posted on Jun 13, 2009, 11:32 AM
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Had dinner with a guy

by Transient Mouse on Hwy 83 (no login)

In a restaurant along one of the many dusty South Texas hiways. Salazar by name. The guy told me that he is building a chain of hospitals for places like Realitos, Mirando City, Bruni, Oiltown and such, maybe even Ben Bolt and Palito Blanco. They will be 15-20 bed max. Claimed that he had been approached by "The Founder" to have his places serve as the clinical sites for the students.

Talk about Blue Book rotations.

But you gotta love the names. This ain't no New Hampshire.

Posted on Jun 13, 2009, 11:13 AM
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Now you know why we have been faithfully denouncing the dire LACK of educational standards

by Jabbing Larry hard! (no login)

Now you know why we have been faithfully denouncing the dire LACK of educational standards at JBGDL!

Even as we speak unknown to most, especially you unsuspecting prospective students, Larry Sands and company are seeking to send you local 15-20 bed for your clinical training!

Prospective students, don’t take my word, but study the pages of valueMd and you will see that students of other schools are clamoring to have their clinical rotaions in GREEN BOOK HOSPITALS! Obviously, there is a reason for this!

DO NOT LET SANDS AND COMPANY HOODWINK YOU INTO COMING TO THEIR SCHOOL AS YOU WILL NOT GET YOUR CLINICALS I GREEN BOOK HOSPITALS.

EVEN NOW THEY ARE PLANNING TO TAKE YOUR HARD EARNED MONEY AND PUT YOU IN A LOCAL 15-20 BED HOSPITAL!

THE WORD IS OUT!
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!

Despite our public alerts on the internet these ignorant arrogant none educators continue to defy the accepted standards for Medical education that is accepted globally!

NO WHERE IN THIS WHOLE WIDE WORLD WILL YOU FIND A TEACHING HOSPITAL WITH ONLY 15-20 BEDS!

Larry knows that surely. Or does he?
If not Dr Moron, the Dean knows that things are better than that in Mexico.
Surely.Scottie the Vice Dean must know that US students seek their clinical training in GREEN BOOK HOSPITALS.

Again, the DECEPTION and PLANS INHURIOUS TO YOUR PROPER EDUCATION HAS BEEN EXPOSED.

Now Larry. You and Maxy Taxy can bawl harassment and defamation til the cows come home or until Jesus comes! But every error or slip you make will be exposed!

Posted on Jun 13, 2009, 12:28 PM
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Big Ear Please give us details about "primo" up the hill and how he became wealthy.

by Mr Logical (no login)

Could The Big Ear that wrote the post below please kindly expose the bugger the "primo" up the hill? PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE WE NEED GOOD GOO TO TAKE TO COURT AND WE NEED GOOD STUFF HERE!


Zapata, Texas, where the LLC is located, is one of these pesky, ugly, border cities where relatives have spent several generations learning to hate and backstab each other (because they did not inherit the ranch where they found the oil and gas and all that). It is interesting what poor relatives are willing to share with strangers about their "primo" up the hill and how he became wealthy. The "suers" may have just thrown a live hand grenade into their septic tank. It ain't going to be pretty.

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Ofensa A Mexico

by Mexicano en SA (no login)

Repito, soy alumno Mexicano y estudio en UTSA. I have been informed that Miguel Bedolla is the person writing horrible comments about "Mi Mexico". Mexico will not forget nor forgive him for writing so many bad comments about "Mi Mexico". I am sure that any future trips to Mexico by Miguel Bedolla will have to be cancelled. He is no longer welcomed in Mexico.
He cannot hide behind the pen ("The King of Imagination") and pretend to love Mexico.
I checked out Miguel Bedolla here at UTSA (www.ratemyprofessor.com). I understand that he no longer works here due to many conflicts with the university. I am glad that he no longer "bull****s around" with his fake lectures. I was informed that he is not a licensed medical doctor. Is this why he was teaching Eco. 2003? Was he fired from UTSA "por ser tarugo" and for getting the university into trouble?
Repito, haz ofendido a Mexico y esto no se permite ni se perdona.

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You are out of order and off topic little boy!

by Mr Logical (no login)

You are out of order and off topic little boy!

Miguel Bedolla and your problems with him has nothing to do with this discussion.

The fact that you have butted in here inappropriately suggests why you were a poor student in Miguel's Economics classes.

Miguel is very knowledgeable about the internal affairs of JBGDL at its inception, and he did a good job of blowing the whistle on thier illegal and educational unsanitary practices.

He has earned the respect of those who read his insightfull posts on the goings on at this immoral place!

How dare you even utter his name from your frothy mouth you cur!

Please put your little tail between your legs and go home to your momma and apologize for disobeying the home training she tried to give you. You are a failure and a disgrace to your momma.

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Ofensa A Mexico

by Mexicano en SA (no login)

I guess that Miguey Bedolla's future trips to Mexico are gone.  The people from Mexico will not forget nor forgive his comments against Mexico.  I checked him out at www.ratemyprofessor.com and looked at his horrible ratings.  I am glad that I never took a class with this fake.  Eco 2003? Is this a joke?  I understand that he does not have a US medical license and was fired from UTSA for getting the school into trouble.  I wonder why?
 


Miguel Bedolla's Scorecard:
No. of Ratings: 3
Average Easiness: 4.0
Average Helpfulness: 3.7
Average Clarity: 3.0
Hotness Total: 0
Overall Quality: 3.3
11/30/05
ECO 2003
2111
 
Horrible, this guy doesnt know what is going on in the schedule. He never passes back tests and all he does is talk about his carrer and how he likes to travel to Mexico. I learned absolutly nothing in the class. Made an A but it was super borring.
 
 
 
 

Name: Miguel Bedolla
School: University of Texas at San Antonio
Location: San Antonio, TX
Department: Economics

Posted on Jun 13, 2009, 11:53 AM
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Response to Ofensa A Mexico

by Mr Logical (no login)

Likkle boy?

who asked you to speak?
Dont you know that likkle boys are seen and not heard until asked to speak?

Miguel is not posting here, nor has he been on trial in this forum.

The issue here is not about Miguel. Miguel did not destroy JBGDL nor did he teach any classes at JBGDL. Larry Sands and Lew Dick anfd Trevino did not listen to Miguel's advice. These guys destroyed JBGDL totally without his help.

The real issues include

1- Larry's poor job as CEO in hiring Dicky boy, the Dunce, supervising the wastage of US$ 1.5 million in 6 months, in his orgasmic excitement that he had what he thought were two medical schools going.

2 The fact that for three years JBGDL by what ever name has only been able to attract 12 students maximum

3 The fact that even those who started in the intial class three years ago are incapable of passing, AND HAVE NOT YET PASSED THE USMLE STEP 1 exam.

4 The poor quality of both faculty and facilities at JBGDL over the last three years; to wit Dr Here's the Deal giving out the questions on his exams as ordered by Dicky boy, and Dr Negotiate for Grades with the Female Teachers, and the obviously deceitful Scottie who MUST KNOW that he or anyone else cant teach the whole Basic Sciences curriculum in 1 year with a class of non stellar students meeting for only 20 hours weekly.

5- The unearthed plan of Larry Sands and company to offer the students clinical training in loca 12-15 bed hospitals.

THESE ARE THE ISSUES JACK ASS.

Who cares if Miguel loves to travel to Mexico or TIMBUKTU? Or if he would love to eat some good fried bread fruit with flying fish down Weston or Baxter's Road!

You may now speak and tell us why you are a moron and betzpaenic!

Posted on Jun 13, 2009, 12:45 PM
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Ethics Course at de Lara

by zverdad (no login)


Escuela de Medicina Jose Bernardo Gutierrez de Lara
........Proudly Owned and Operated by Med School Group LLC., Zapata, Texas


Ethics 101 - Medical Ethics That You can Cash and Take to the Bank
.....COURSE CURRICULUM

Lesson # .....Topic

1........The Smart live off the Stupid
2........How to Milk a dumb Patient
3........On Making Money in Mail Fraud
4........The Art of Scamming (The de Lara Case)
5........Fraud at the Cook Islands
6........On Making People Sign Their Rights Away

.........Mid Term Exam

7........How to Avoid Not Paying Employees
8........How to Design a Web Site full of Lies
9........Get the Money First, Then Deliver Crap
10.......Advanced Scamming
11.......The Limited Liability Corporation as a Way to Avoid Responsibility
12.......Scamming en Espanol

.........Final Exam

Text Books: TO PLAY CLEAN IS FOR THE STUPID,
and REAL ETHICS SUCKS

Posted on Jun 11, 2009, 11:16 AM
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Wow!

by Tiger Cheese (no login)

Hey Z:

Is it online? Can I take it? I mean...really advanced stuff, like it's at the cutting edge. But one of the topics I am interested in is missing: How to scam a bunch of rich Border hicks by selling them stock in a guano processing factory.

Tiger

Posted on Jun 11, 2009, 11:32 AM
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ZEE TRUTH YOU ARE IN THE TOP DRAWER!

by Zee Admirer (no login)

ZEE TRUTH YOU ARE IN THE TOP DRAWER! WOW.

Too sweet though! Love it.

Posted on Jun 11, 2009, 12:27 PM
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Why Zee is my hero

by Zee Truth Admirer (no login)


Just at about the time that Ztruth was banned from valueMD last year, I had a photo to send to him to use as an illustration. It was of the head of a skeleton trapped in a skeleton of a female pelvis, indicating that a baby was trapped in utero.

It was to depict JBGDL trapped in utero- DEAD BEFORE ARRIVAL!

I wish he had gotten to use it, because it reminded me of where Larry's and Trevi's heads are right now! I GUESS IT'S A PERFECT PICTURE OF JBGDEKEKE! My sides are hurting just thinking about it . Ztruth kept posting that picture of the skeleton in the classroom so I thought this picture would have been a great followup lol. His 3 stooges pics and the like are pretty hard to beat though


I was sad when Ztruth resurrected JBGDL because they deserve to fail because of what they did to my buddy. But it has turned out worse for them since he got them back their virginity. Ok a few more students have suffered, but the JBGDL owners must be suffering even more with that big head of failure and defeat bearing down in their bellies. The psychological scars of owing away so much money already and having to borrow more must be sending these guys bonkers!

I am hoping that ztruth posted enough to beat them down to enough pulp that they cannot be revived

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JBGDL sure are good at maaking enemies.

by Another Zee Admirer (no login)

Lswiltshire got the beautiful prose BUT ZEE TRUTH IS MY HERO!

From following the JBGDL saga, initially ZTRUTH WAS TOO CONSUMED WITH THE CONCEPT THAT THE SCHOOL COULD HELP FOLK. BUT WHEN HE REALIZED THAT HE WAS DEALING WITH CROOKS & AND THAT HE WAS LOOKING STUPID DEFENDING THE INDEFENCEABLE HE WAS FORCED TO CHANGE COURSE!

At first it seems that he just couldn't quite believe that he was dealing with total twits, so he kept going back until he made sure they were crazy. After he got thrown to the curb an extra time or two he figured it out and He eventually got to the same point where every other former employees/consultants got to... it just took him a little longer b/c he was so he was so consumed w/the concept... he obviously had loyalty to them just like lswiltshire experto etc but it gets very annoying when you gaved these folk your best and they wont listen but just keep messing up --- so even the loyal ztruth gave up on these JBGDL folk.

SINCE THEN WE HAVE BEEN GETTING MORE AND MORE DAMAGING INFO FROM HIM

he deserves to gloat about getting Cunninham there cause they were/are still finding it hard to get any new teachers over there.

I THINK HIS ENTHUSIASM AND PRIDE IN HIS ACCOMPLISHMENT in getting the REVOE should have got him to be held in high esteem by his ex employers

He should be admired for going back to work for someone where they didn't get paid? he thought it was bedollas fault the first time, so then he goes back and gets a handshake of appreciation

BUT ONCE HE IS BEGUN TO SEE THE LIGHT it was s funny to see how he made an about turn. Amazing By telling us the truth by just reiterating what was said all along ztruth is doing them serious damage. he is certainly stirring up a lot of trouble for them because it is obvious that he knows what he is talking about and he is raising alot of questions for a prospective student who is unaware of the history.

ZTRUTH AND HIS ILLUSTRATIONS WERE IN A CLASS BY THEMSELVES lol that's for sure. it's so funny how he just keeps on and keeps on spewing information and whats so great is, that it's all current stuff... thanks to ztruth he is laying it all out there plainly for all to see. and best yet here is another once dedicated and loyal employee or consultant that they carelessly tossed aside. it's like they have a ship and they keep tossing the main crew overboard and what are they telling the 'passengers'?! we don't need the crew?! lol lol

those folks sure are good at maaking enemies. too bad they weren't that good at building a med school cause maybe they'd be successful

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Yeah!

by Tiger Cheese (no login)

Yeah. Those poor guys never realized that the curriculum that ZT got the charter for was the same curriculum that the first dean of the place had plagiarized from a top shelf med school in LA. A curriculum which takes hordes of faculty persons, labs and libraries to implement, not one prof-one-room-one skeleton. So now, either they offer what ZT chartered them for or they are operating outside their charter!

ZT they hurt you, but you will get the last laugh!!!!

But just so that you have a small laugh now, imagine their faces when they read this post.

Tiger

Posted on Jun 11, 2009, 1:57 PM
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KICK DE KEKE BUTT KID # 2

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JUST CALL ME KICK DE KEKE BUTT # 2

Thanks "admirer" that name humbles me to my knees !


I began posting to defend de keke. I was under the impression that I was working for honorable individuals when I did.

I was wrong. THEY ARE MISERABLE SCAMMERS !!!

here IS PROOF:

FIRST - They showed their true nature in the way they trampled me and my family in a cowardly manner.

SECOND - Then I found out (from Wilt) about the sorry comedy and fraud at the Cook Islands.

THIRD - These ambitious clowns have kept alive what is the worst sham med school-hole in the wall, sorry trap they dare to call "med school." Like, If you have some decency, close that worse than fecal matter piece of crap!

FOURTH - Their pervasive pattern of setting traps to lure the innocent/desperate and scam them with high interest loans, nonreturnable deposits and lies about "the total cost is ....." Who are they trying to fool?

FIFTH - Their sheer-clear cut incompetence both as Medical educators and as administrators of a business.

.......they need not blame anyone else for their failures.....they just need to look in the mirror to know who is responsible for them.


I remember distinctly the skeleton that you sent me. I really should have used it because of the message it portrayed ZTA. Thanks just the same.

I have one with a donkey at the bottom of a large hole that could describe them just as well because that's the type of holes they are. The problem at this forum is that I can not post pictures.


I really have put behind me the negative feelings that I have for these sad individuals; but when I think of (1) Wilt and his fight against them and, most of all (2) the poor/sorry applicants they could get......I say to myself ...NO WAY !!! .... LET'S KICK DE KEKE BUTT !!!

About the law soup, as Wilt calls it:

1 - Does an individual that has embarrassed himself committing a felony and being convicted for it have a reason to complain ???......he should be suing himself for that crime not anybody else....

2 - Does an organization that has been kicked out of the Cook Islands for running a fraudulent "Missionary" med school have an argument in court ???

....... Exactly where is the case against anybody for defamation and whatever ???

........by the way I reserve for Wilt the title of KICK DE KEKE BUTT KID # 1

........................Goooooo Wilt !!!!


z u

Posted on Jun 12, 2009, 10:03 AM
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Don’t be ashamed to accept the laurels from your admirers Zee

by LSW (no login)

Zee
Don’t be ashamed to accept the laurels from your admirers, because real, genuine, down to earth people who love the TRUTH and fight for the TRUTH, love folk like you because the Lord Jesus taught that THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE!

It is interesting that you are humbled to your knees because someone commended you for telling the TRUTH, but that JBGDL cant humiliate you with their spurious law soup because you are telling the TRUTH!

Since you are not a felon like your accuser, and since telling the TRUTH is never wrong you have nothing to fear! Your accusers on the other hand must fear what TRUTHS will be declared in court, and out of court in the border towns. Your accusers fear the consequences of the TRUTH that you have already declared, cause it has , and continues to lash their backsides and wallets! The TRUTH is severely affecting their BOTTOM LINE & THIER BOTTOMS!

Everyone understands that you were fooled by JBGDL and that’s why you were their apologist, defender, promoter, propagandist, and chief cook and bottle washer, until you saw clearly that it made no sense to defend the indefensible! After all a leopard cant change its spots, and don’t care how much you clean up a pig, it will return to its natural habitat, and to wallowing in the mire. So you like others was forced to leave the pig sty. Everyone understands that you were acting like the Prodigal son's father.......but them boys like the mire!

It takes a MAN to call a scam a scam. But the mice along Route 83 who are afraid to speak out and just make innuendos are just that, MICE!

They not only trampled you and your family, but they did the same to me and my wife ( who made a great contribution to that school in several ways behind the scenes). They also mistreated your brother and the first Registrar of the school!

When I gave my first class in the Cooks, the students said with forthrightness “If what you are doing is right, then something wrong has been happening here.” Then they showed me their new but well marked Bichemistry texts and told me they had to read the whole text (Marks & Marks) in one week! Yes the Biochemistry course in one 20 hour week! Then they showed me how they had done the whole Immunology and Microbiology course in one week! And explained how they had little guidance.

Here were four 24 year olds- the best class I have ever taught anywhere, man for man- being unfaired, mistreated, unappreciated; even though they were being used as guinea pigs and sent to the other side of the world so that the JBGDL owners could get a charter from the Cook Government so that they could mint money in Mexico!

Man I looking forward to this law soup and court case to show the power points that these students received from the teachers that Dicky boy scraped up from here, there and everywhere and sent them to Rarotonga on one week vacation trips, during which they shared the milk rather than the MEAT of the subjects they were conscripted to teach!

Man it was hilarious when I asked those “missionary” students about their faith in Christ and they desire to go to the Mission Field!

Zee your friends wont voluntary close their hole in the wall sham med school, but it will be closed. And they are not keeping anything alive. You resurrected them once, but who will do it the second time. JBGDL is what we call in the islands a LIVING DEAD. They acting like little piggies at the through, but they cant much food in them to make them fat!

They don’t even look as good as those big trees that surprisingly fall after a little storm. Their sheer-clear cut incompetence both as Medical educators and as administrators of a business assures their demise. Some good starvation ensures it! The publicity from the law soup will finish them off! I have been looking forward to such a court case since February 2007!

Zee I am in no fight with these stupid little boys. I laughed the day Dick fired me, stacked up the few books they had by then bought for my use to return them, filed away my work and backed it all up on CDS, and then I TYPED ONE SINGLE NOTE! The result of that note is history!

We have a saying home COCK ROACH DON’T HAVE RIGHT IN FRONT FOWL COCK!

Big men don’t fight with little boys! So I not fighting with these twits. I AM FIGHTING FOR TRUTH! I AM FIGHTING FOR THE MAINTENANCE IN THE STANDARD OF MEDICAL EDUCATION! I AM FIGHTING FOR THE RIGHTS OF MEDICAL STUDENTS TO GET QUALITY EDUCATION.

I was glad to leave out there. I left with a smile. I was relieved when I was fired, as I had asked God to reveal his will concerning that place. I didn’t complain to your brother the “Super Dean” or to Dean Dicky boy. Or to SANDS, the CEO & Founder! But my appeals to those who matter have certainly been very effective! Havent they? Eh Larry?

These ignorant arrogant likkle boys played with fire. When they get burn they want to complain. Larry didn’t your momma tell you not to play with fire? Is why you didn’t listen child?

About the law soup:
Let them bring it on! What is the hold up?
We can go there and defend ourselves and the TRUTH by just telling the TRUTH!
There are others who can be called to also tell the TRUTH.
Let them come and embarrass themselves further. Lets have some fun at thier expense FACE TO FACE!

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something to ponder about when you want to chose JBDL

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Just in case you ever pass the USMLE Step 1 sometime after your first 3-4 years at JBGDL this is something to ponder about when you want to chose JBDL.

Did you know that Green book spots are hard to come by. Did you know that having good and adequate number of clinical spots is based on buying them, and JBGDL cant afford to buy proper clinical spots or compete with other schools who charge more tuition to buy those spots plain and simple !

If they cant get you proper rotations your training will further be delayed as you wait months on end for them to acquire them. Since more established schools are having problems with this issue, do you suppose that a lousy newbie like JBGDL can do better than the established schools. Do you know that students at some established schools have been complaining that they have not gotten any rotations even after five months. Do you think that a school like JBGDL can afford to buy clinical spots for you?

Having Greenbook rotations matters in 90% of states. You will find that out when you go for state licensure. Why would you want to limit the amount of states that you can practice in? As an IMG you are already limited, why limit yourself more.
JBGDL please don't lie to the students about clinicals, as you have about the other things you have.

Prospective students: Don’t let JBGDL con you into believing that they have Greenbook rotations. Before you enroll or put down your money ask them for their list of clinical rotations, and call the hospitals and check for yourself!

Watch them change the website again friends.


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Reflections on the San Antonio Sun article "A medical panacea or pipe dream?"

by JBGDL Historian (no login)

For new comers to the saga of JBGDL you must read this article from the San Antonio Sun in 2006 that came out around the time of the relaunching of Sands medical school for the nth time. The attempt to relaunch in 2009 is nothing new!

What is now the JBGDL "school" not only has had several names and locations, it has also had at least three websites.

The first one appeared years ago announcing that the "school" would be opening in Colombia, Nuevo Leon, which the site said, was a city located in the Big Bend or some other far away place like that with which the State of Nuevo Leon has no border. It also featured a picture of the facilities of the "school" that looked suspiciously like the rest area on HWY 35 just north of Laredo.

The school re-appeared about 3 years ago and featured some pictures of the one room where it was to be opened, the furniture and the already world famous plastic skeleton, and a few books, plus the "school's" real students

In the current collage. Gone is the one room, skeleton, lectern and so forth. But now we have bunches of bought pictures which attempt to portray a busy "school" with students being taught in classrooms, laboratories, and then a picture of solemn Dr. Moron, Scottie, the "Founder" and "The President of the Board. These four are the only dose of reality in the whole site. No mention is made of the prefabed buildings to be installed at "the property" or who the faculty will be. Amazing. But back to that famous article from the San Antonio Sun.

The article was entiltled: I have made some interesting comments in BOLD TYPE
A medical panacea or pipe dream?

SEEMS LIKE IT’S A PIPE DREAM!



NUEVO GUERRERO, Mexico — Picking his way through the ruins of a long-defunct lakeside resort in this remote border town, Dr. Larry Sands can envision a modern, affordable medical school for Americans.

YES ONLY LARRY WOULD WANT TO PUT A MEDICAL SCHOOL IN AN ABANDONED WHORE HOUSE TO SCREW UNSUSPECTING MED STUDENTS! FYI “the ruins of a long-defunct lakeside resort” was built for a whore house. It has no water electricity, gas or air condition, or furniture - no amenities what so ever ! Sands is hoping that your money can provide such! DO NOT BELIEVE THE PHOTOS YOU SEE ON THE WEBSITE. ASK THOSE AROUND WHO KNOW!

"It won't be long before there are kids splashing in the pool," Sands, 57, said last fall as he skirted an empty seagull-shaped pool near the banks of Falcon Lake.


THERE SURE AINT NO KIDS SPLASHING IN THE POOL YET. BUT THERE ARE SOME GRAND MOTHER AND GRAND FATHER ATTENDING AMONG THE 3-6 STUDENTS THEY NOW HAVE THOUGH (you see they keep changing the class photo from the last intake).


A mere five minutes from Texas but more than an hour from the nearest modern hospital, the International Medical School of America is supposed to open in temporary quarters in July. If all goes well, within three years, hundreds of American students taught by American faculty at a modern $5 million campus will earn medical degrees at a fraction of the cost in the United States.

LARRY BOY THREE YEARS HAVE PASSED MAN! WHERE ARE THE HUNDRED OF AMERICAN STUDENTS? WHERE ARE THE AMERICAN FACULTY? WHERE IS THE MODERN $ 5 MILLIUON CAMPUS?
OK YOU DID SAY “IF ALL GOES WELL”
LARRY BOY CAN YOU KINDLY TELL US WHY THINGS HAVE NOT GONE WELL? WHAT WENT WRONG LARRY?
HEAR LARY FRIENDS Its ZEE & VBEE they have harassed and defamed me! LOL


"This has taken almost 30 years to plan. The thing that is left is to see if we can recruit people who believe in this project as much as we do," Sands said. Despite his optimism, doubts abound within mainstream medicine about "off-shore" medical schools in general and Sand's in particular.
WELL NOW YOU KNOW WHY THERE ARE DOUBTS ABOUT LARRY’S PROJECT
Officials at the Texas Board of Medical Examiners are keeping a wary eye on Sands' project.

THEY HAD BETTER.

"Once we get a graduate of that school, we'll address that issue," said Jill Wiggins, a spokeswoman.

SHE WONT HAVE TO WORRY FOR A WHILE


"There are border schools and established medical schools in Mexico. There's a big difference.

YOU BET THERE ARE
Here for example is a very compelling comparison between Universidad Mexico Americans del Norte and JBGDL
Reynosa med School:

1- is affiliated to a real university BUT SANDS CANT GET JBGDL AFFILIATED TO NO SCHOOL IN THIS WORLD, OR THE NEXT!

2- it has a solid two story building structure with multiple labs and classrooms

JBGDL has operated in its total existence from a borrowed one door windowless firetrap in a Middle school in Tamaulipas

3- it has a competent staff of more than twenty five professors

JBGDL usually operates with a single teacher teaching ALL of the subjects, and thus operating out of his specialty subject area most of the time (perpetually & perennially!)
Does this superman of an educator has somewhat to hide since he refused a back ground check? If so he could be classified as the type of dubious character that JBGDL prides itself on hiring. Does any one remember Dr Negotiate with the Female students for Grades? Or Dr Here’s the deals with a public record of having been disbarred from the Texas Board for abusing ethanol and patients medication for his back pain.

4 - it is IMED listed JUST LIKE JBGDL but as you said that no longer seems anything to really brag about)

5- it has graduated thousands of doctors with hundreds of them practicing in the USA
- it welcomes American students BUT JBGDL HAS YET TO PRODUCE ONE STUDENT TO PASS THE USMLE STEP 1 (even its most ardent student who sold his house to pay his fees!)

6- it states the truth on its web site (uman.edu.mx) JBGDL IN CONTRAST PRESENTS FICTITOUS FABLES about what it would like to do complete with FAKE FOTOS of its FACILITIES.


But first, Sands must get the school up and running. He has a $1.5 million commitment from a group of investors in nearby Zapata where he works in an urgent care clinic.

AND HE BLEW IT IN LESS THAN SIX MONTHS!
HAS HE LEARNED ANYTHING SINCE? WHY NOT GO WHERE THE CHAPS KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING?

Sands, twice disciplined by the Texas Board of Medical Examiners more than a decade ago, admits he's working under a tight schedule. He has yet to hire a teaching staff, arrange for student housing or nail down final agreements with American hospitals for the clinical portion of the curriculum.

LARRY DO YOU REALLY HAVE ADEQUATE TEACHING STAFF YET?
HAVE YOU NAILED DOWN AGREEMENTS FOR GREEN BOOK ROTAIONS WITH AMERICAN HOSPITALS?

"It looks like, if things work out, we've got five of the six professors we'll need," Sands said.

YEA RIGHT! CUNNINGHAM THROUGHOUT 2007-2008 WAS ONE HELL OF A SIX!

On the IMSA Web site (www.imsaonline.us) posted almost two weeks ago, Sands was offering a special price of $25,000 for the entire course of study to the first 50 students who qualify. After that, the price for the complete four-year academic program (packed into three calendar years) jumps to $39,000 — about a fifth the cost of a four-year degree program in the United States.

NOTE IT WAS $25,000 FOR THE ENTIRE COURSE IN 2006
BUT NOW AFTER A LESS THAN STELLAR START THE COST IS 25,000 FOR ONLY THE BASIC SCIENCE PORTION IN 2009!


So far, numerous students have inquired, but none has plunked down a deposit. One Corpus Christi man, however, is putting his house on the market and plans to be enrolled in Nuevo Guerrero in July. "I'm following a man with a dream, because I've got that dream," said Jose Saul Enriquez, 45, director of a nursing unit at Christus Spohn Hospital. "When I went off to college, I got caught up in the party scene. I thought I had ruined my chances to go to medical school," he said. "I thought I was too old, and I have a family with children." Enriquez said his dream was revived when he met Sands four years ago. "Something inside me wants to be a doctor. My wife and I are considering relocating to McAllen. I've already given notice at work," he said.


POOR CHAP NEVER KNEW WHAT HIT HIM!


Local and state Mexican officials enthusiastically back the school, hoping it will bring new life to this lightly populated stretch of the border. Nuevo Guerrero, a sleepy town of bougainvilleas and uncluttered streets, was born a half-century ago when the Rio Grande was dammed, flooding the historic original town. "We're going to make a great effort to support the project. The whole region could benefit," Mayor Luis Ramos said.


COULD? BUT HAVE THEY?


Besides providing land for the new campus, the city is making its civic center and high school available for Sands to hold classes until permanent facilities are available.

THEY CERTAINLY HAVE! YOU SHOULD SEE THAT LOVELY ONE DOOR WINDOWLESS BORROWED CLASS ROOM! THERES NOTHING LIKE IT IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD

However, the school won't be affiliated with any Mexican or U.S. medical school, nor does it have the blessing of the Mexican federal government.

WHO COULD BLAME THEM?
HAS IT NOT BEEN PROVED OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS THAT THEY WERE RIGHT?


By being right across the border, the school will allow students and their families to live and work in the United States while studying in Mexico.
EXCEPT THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE ZETAS!


And, he says, the school will welcome students from the border region, traditionally underrepresented in U.S. medical schools.

YEAH RIGHT! THEY HAVE ENROLLED BY THE THOUSANDS HAVENT THEY LARRY?


One of them might be Maria Teresa Uribe, 29, a high school dance teacher in La Joya, who said she has gone to Nuevo Guerrero twice this year to check on progress and plans to return as a student. "It's not your typical med school. It's a little faster and more intense," said Uribe, who was born in Zapata and has a biology and psychology degree from the University of Texas-Pan Am in Edinburg.

YOU BET! ITS NOT A TYPICAL MEDICAL SCHOOL. IN FACT IT AINT A MED SCHOOL AT ALL. IT WAS NOT FASTER OR MORE INTENSE EITHER! LOL
YOU CANT RUSH PROPER EDUCATION BABY. THIS IS NOT DANCING!


She is thinking of selling her house to pay the tuition. "It's pretty much in our laps. And if the whole program fails, it's something we tried and learned from. At my age, it's the only way I could go to medical school."
To be listed as a medical school by the World Health Organization and other entities, a medical school must have governmental or state sponsorship. Sands obtained his charter from the government of the Cook Islands, a tiny sprinkle of atolls halfway between New Zealand and Hawaii with a population of only 21,000. This odd arrangement, coupled with his lack of a track record as an educator, has heightened skepticism among outsiders.


YOU WERE RIGHT, IT IS NOT POSSIBLE FOR SOME ONE WITH NO TRACK RECORD AS AN EDUCATOR TO OPEN A PROPER MEDICAL SCHOOL
AFTER ALL SCHOOLS ARE LED BY SCHOLARS & MEDICAL SCHOOLS ARE LED BY MEDICAL SCHOLARS

"Here you have someone with no background and qualifications in medical training opening a medical school in a small border town in Mexico chartered through the Cook Islands," said Dr. Bob Baratz of the National Council Against Health Fraud, a watchdog group based in Boston. "Is that going to be an acceptable training ground for physicians? It sounds more like a joke."


YOU WERE RIGHT ALL ALONG DR BARATZ
IT IS INDEED A JOKE
IT IS NOT POSSIBLE FOR SOMEONE WITH NO BACKGROUND IN MEDICAL TRAINING TO OPEN A PROPER MEDICAL SCHOOL.

Sands said he sought a charter from the Cook Islands after being rebuffed by all 11 Mexican medical schools he had approached looking for a partner.

WHY DO YOU THINK THAT 11 MEXICAN MEDICAL SCHOOLS DIDN’T TAKE SANDS SERIOUSLY? ON CURRENT EVIDENCE WHY SHOULD YOU? LOL
YOU THINK THE MEXICANS OR THE FOLK FROM THE REPUBLIC OF INDIA STUPID!


To get the charter for Mexico, he must also establish a school in the Cook Islands — so the Nuevo Guerrero school will be a branch of the South Pacific School of Medicine, a smaller campus he now is opening on Rarotonga, the capital. It will focus on training missionaries who want to become doctors. Cook Island government officials confirmed by e-mail that Sands holds a charter to open a school there and a branch in Mexico, but declined further comment.

NOW WE KNOW WHY HE DECLINED COMMENT
THE SCHOOL IN THE COOKS WAS NEVER INTENDED TO TRAIN MISSIONARIES. AT LEAST NO ATTEMPT WAS MADE TO TRAIN MISSIONARIES! THE PLAN WAS ALWAYS TO USE THAT CHARTER SO THAT THEY COULD MINT MONEY IN MEXICO


Even his consultant, a well-known medical educator in San Antonio, acknowledges the strangeness of the arrangement. "It's a very bizarre way of putting together a medical school," said Dr. Miguel Bedolla, 65, an associate professor at the University of Texas at San Antonio and at the University of Texas Health Science Center.


YES MIGUEL IT IS VERY BIZARRE TO RUN A MED SCHOOL FROM A BORROWED ONE DOOR WINDOWLESS FIRE TRAP IN A MIDDLE SCHOOL IN MEXICO WITH YOUR CHARTER FROM THE COOKS ISLANDS. Of course the Cook islands soon de- chartered them ! LOL


Bedolla, nevertheless, supports Sands. "I believe in what he's trying to do. I think there's a high probability he'll succeed. It depends on the money," said Bedolla, the former dean of two medical schools in Monterrey.

IT DEPENDS ON THE MONEY IS RIGHT MIGUEL! NO STUDENTS = NO MONEY = NO HONEY LARRY. YOU CANT BORROW ALL THE TIME!


Bedolla said that if the school in Nuevo Guerrero proves viable within a few years, Sands might shed his link with the Cook Islands by finding a Mexican sponsor.

WELL THIS MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE PLAN BUT IT WAS VERY EASY TO GET THE COOKS TO SHED THE LINK ON THEM! ALL IT TOOK WAS ONE POTENT PIECE OF PROSE! Eh Larry?
ALSO IT IS FAR FROM BEING VIABLE!


There are other wrinkles that may be cause for concern. In his business prospectus, Sands acknowledges a felony conviction for mail fraud in 1992 that put him on a 10-year probation by the Texas Board of Medical Examiners. He said the case arose when a friend borrowed his son's car and sold it, but told him it had been stolen, convincing him to file a false insurance claim. Sands did not serve any jail time, nor did he lose his medical license.


A LEOPARD CANT CHANGE HIS SPOTS THE BIBLE TEACHES
WILL HE SERVE JAIL TIME THIS TIME? OR LOSE HIS LICENSE FOR GOOD?


Three years earlier, Sands was disciplined for prescribing the wrong medications for an obese patient. He said that thus far, neither issue has interfered with his pursuit of a long-held dream.
"It's going to be a good medical school, not some sham above a pizzeria," Sands said. "Our credibility will come with time."


SANDSY BOY. SORRY TO SAY JBGDL IS NOT A GOOD MEDICAL SCHOOL & YOU HAVE NO CREDIBILITY. AND AFTER THE LAW SOUP, YOUR CREDIBILITY WILL PLUMMET FURTHER! LOL
PROSPECTIVE MEDICAL STUDENTS: YOUR DREAM CAN NOT COME TRUE AT JBGDL

What you have been doing is trying to sell hogwash as "eau de cologne." Which shows you that you are odor-blind. And you think eveyonbe else has the same problem as you do.

how incompetent they are in their organization. THAT SITUATION WAS INCOMPREHENSIBLE TO ME THESE GUYS HAVE NO CONSCIENCES THEY HAVE NO VALUE FOR THE STUDENTS OR THE STAFF THAT SERVED THEM !

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Do you think...

by The King of Imagination (no login)

That they could do their rotations in a veterinary hospital? Why not? That really would be innovative. I mean, it would be the next level. And they may not even have to pass the USMLE I and II.

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Can I enroll online? I fraid for the Zetas in Guerero

by Didnt know better (no login)

In an email written on 9/14/06 an enthusiastic staff member at JBGDL wrote the following to the Dean.

My challenge to you (us) is lets whip AUA and the others in being the fastest he get recognized by TEXAS, CALIFORNIA and NY, which apparently are the hardest. Remember only ROSS (78) SGU (79) SABA (cerca 90) and AUC are accredited everywhere. Most of the competition is not accredited anywhere at all. If we get these three accreditations, we will have to turn back applicants because we have LOCATION!!!!


On 10/24/06 the Administration of JBGDL communicated that JBGDL was mot interested in getting CALIFORNIA or NY accreditations, but were interested mainly in reaching folk at the border.

Now what Medical school interested in sustainable development thinks so narrowly? Only JBGDL led by Twideldeedee Trevino (President) & TwideldeeDUMB Sands (CEO & Flounder)!

Now that Zruth got them the REVOE they horizons have suddenly broadened even unto the Republic of India!

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JBGDL has created monsters for themselves by thier ingratitude

by Watching at the border (no login)


JBGDL has created monsters for themselves. They deserve NO pity what so ever! lol. it's interesting how those folks (jbgdeKeke) have created such strongly negative feelings between themselves and their former employees. Its like each and every former employee gave their all and their reward was that LS and Trevi thumbed their noses at them and told them to hit the road that they werent needed anymore. very sad but its easy to see why they have created such a fury of unkind posts against them - and it's much deserved by them

im annoyed that ztruth got the revoe he boasts about
oh well, in the long run at least he is hurting them dearly now so thank goodness for that

Larry and Trevino should love ztruth and be eternally grateful to him because that school should have been buried long ago- because it was dead when they fired heres the deal for firing negotiate for grades yes had it not been for ztruth they'd probably not have had even 4 or 6 -or whatever it was - new students.

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what JBGDL did to people's lives is not funny whatsoever

by Watching at the Border (no login)

We love to enjoy the fun made on the forum about these jokers, but what they did to people's lives is not funny whatsoever. Many have been hurt financially and unnecessarily so. I WISH IT HAD BEEN DIFFERENT THOUGH IT IS A GREAT PITY

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JBGDL ARE MORONS BY NAME AND NATURE

by Watching at the border (no login)

JBGDL ARE MORONS BY NAME AND NATURE

Q Since courses are taught in English only at JBGDl, and since Moron does not speeky di Inglich, why is he the Dean at JBGDL.

A. Because JBGDL ARE MORONS BY NAME AND NATURE!

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What they are saying about Larry Sands and his school at the border.

by Watching at the border (no login)

I swear that Larry Sands thinks everyone on this planet is stupid except for him…. guess we need to post a billboard in front of his house that he is the stupid one lol


I think the only light he sees is when the sun comes out from behind his cloudy thinking every now and then but the thoughts of his getting the school to work have him in a tail spin…and then he gets 'impatient'?? he cant see anything else for the light of day. it totally skews his thinking –


That poor guy is has a short circuit somewhere in his thought process. if he was in charge of anything in my business i'd be scared. lol

The man clearly has a high opinion of himself whether it be ideas for fleecing people right and left or if he is just really that stupid.


Larry is a dreamer, he just keeps trying like he thinks one day he'll hit the jackpot somehow. the man must be mad.


But these guys on the internet dudes wont let he and his school fly under the radar as they wanted to do, thanks to the internet.


Larry might have pulled it off if he had a good Dean initially, and if they had spent the initial investor’s money wisely and had been able to hold on to their good, loyal employees.


He just keeps trying like he thinks one day he'll hit the jackpot somehow.WELL THIS TIME MUCH MORE IS KNOWN ABOUT THEM i hope that will be a deterrant for them.


youre right they were kind of flying under the radar for a while. guess enough people hadn't been burned by them or at least didn't speak out. thanks to the internet it has helped us to know that he was just trying to pull a scam on us.


the man must be mad. HE IS A DREAMER HE MIGHT HAVE PULLED IT OFF IF THE INITIAL DEAN IF THEY HAD SPENT THE MONEY WISELY AND IF THEY HAD BEEN HONEST but Larry and the rest of them are on the other side of the universe of those positive traits

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MORE COMMENTS FROM THE BORDER

by Watching at the border (no login)



just wonder how many times folk going to have to chase their ( i.e JBGDL’s) charades down

WHEN WILL THE INVESTORS WHO HAVE LOST THIER MONEY THROW THESE TWO OVER THE LAND BRIDGE INTO THE LAKE AT GUERRERRO?

THEY SHOULD BE DEAD IN THE WATER BY NOW

Anselmo and Larry were never told that when you play with fire you get burned. Now they know!

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I know they are saying a lot more

by Transient on Hwy 83 (no login)

I was just minding my business and trying to have a quiet dinner one recent night when one of their Zapata primos approached me. Took me by surprise. I wanted to be by myself. After a few words and questions, and of his own decision, the guy began to spill the beans. I still wonder why he had to tell me all that he did. Maybe I will post it later. Let me only say one thing. Remember the guy in this thread who was talking about the Zapata pair pulling the pin of a live grenade and throwing it into their septic tank? Well, what this Zapata guy told me shows that in the septic tank there is a lot more sewage than what was flushed in from the school thing.

Hand grenades ain't intelligent. It will blow up everything in there.



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Please give us the details about these guys

by All for exposing them (no login)

Please tell us what is being said about these scheemers amigo.

There is more than meets the eye about these guys. It ought to be exposed tio the public.

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Interesting dialog recieved

by Jab Jab (no login)

The dialog below was recieved by email. The names were removed to protect those involved. It seems the dialog was saved from an instant messenger conversation.



Person #1 : THE THING IS ALL FOUR WOMEN WHO ENROLLED IN 2006 LEFT! Who said that women are stupid…… and willing to be screwed? Three out of four of the men remained- the one that left is actually the dumbest. What does that tell you about men at JBGDL?

Person #2 : not sure unless they are descendents of the ostrich family

Person #1 : Of the four new students they got in 2007 it seems that three are women- don't think they will let JBGDL screw them for much longer LOL

Person #2 : no i cannot imagine.

Person #1 : You have to wonder what is going through the students heads now that ztruth has also given up on them too. although based on their earlier decisions i'm not sure they think too much to begin with.

Person #2 : well the new students i feel sorry for but the returning students - give me a break. major denial going on.

Person #1 : yes it is hilarious!

Person #2 : seems that that lswiltshire guy intend that they pay for the error of their ways

Person #1 : and i think they should.

Person #2 : I think that the writing of these dudes show the powerful influence of that value md site and the importance of the internet.

Person #1 : yes i'm sure you are correct on that. I hear that the fact that they not getting any students got Trevino going crazy.

Person #2 : you mean trevi right? Yeah I hear that he real depressed and walking round Zapata like a loopy dog. i can't believe they were going to start up a nursing school though

Person #1 : They were friend . I hear that was a real funny meeting. I hear everyone was told to dress up and all these men descended on the one door classroom dressed up in duit and tie

Person #2 : But they didn’t get any money poor things

Person #1 : i'm sure that was hilarious, looking back. lol lol

Person #2 : lol ztruth is hilarious. seems he's getting a real kick out of kicking some butt lol

Person #1 : Yeah he funny all right but I miss Experto and Prausnitz. I enjoyed Experto and Prausnitz. Same quiet entry. Same knowledge of inside info. less aggressive--- more controlled. … but solid! he posed good questions…… is obviously quite knowledgable and he came off as being credible when he weighed in heavily as an obvious member of what was apparently the JBGDL inner circle. He corroborated and explained what lswiltshire was saying all along. Ztruth also agreed with him.
ztruth is obviously shedding much more light on things more recent.

Person #2 : Did you noticed the fun Ztruth & Experto was having at these guys expense before they get banned?

Person #1 : It was s hilarious…..with lswilly goading them on. Seems as if Experto and lswilt were playing Zee Truth good cop bad cop LOL, but zt just kept on going with information, egging on trevi to post. and experto kept drawing out more and more damaging info... but we cant get a peep out of experto these days

Person #2 : lswiltshire was a thorn in their side though…..he just kept bringing the threads back to the front page on valuemd and then cooling out until; it reached the bottom again.

Person #1 : that was smart i'm sure they thought at some point he'd go away and leave them be. …. But he was persistent …… like police boots on raw corns LOL

Person #2 : I just glad we found valuemd before we got roped into that scam
THANKS ZEE THANKS EXPERTO THANKS lswilly

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ztruth as historian

by ztruth (no login)


ztruth Adventures at de Lara are Remarkable.

Back in the summer of 2007 I spent six weeks vacation in the mountains of Durango. ... During that time through the internet I found out that my application for certification of that sorry organization had be ratified. I had no idea, then, the capacity of arrogance and gall the scoundrels I was working for had.

To give you an idea of how proud I felt about my accomplishment I'll tell you something I did.

I have a bunch of relatives that work in traveling circuses here in Mexico. One of them, my cousin Jessica, had recently had a fire that destroyed her tent. ..................I knew that I was going to be payed my $ 3000.00 bonus for getting the certification so, when I met Jessica, I pulled out my wallet and gave her a handful of cash. It helped her to put the down payment on another tent.

In the case of the minute $3,000.00 bonus I can not blame Larry Sands for being cheap. I knew what Miguel Bedolla and Lew Dip had taken to the bank for doing a terrible job.........but, I wanted to help the "Indiana boy with a dream" to get his med school.

to my surprise, when I got back to Zapata, Anselmo Trevino and Larry Sands refused to pay me. No excuse was given, I could see that they were living the good life so I knew they had money; but nothing for me.

On top of that crap, Trevino wanted me to work on the Spanish version of the web site. ....... What the hell for? ..... was my answer.

What Mexican youngster that wants to be a doctor will contemplate going to school over at the rear end hole of Tamaulipas in Guerrero to a one room sad situation, then pay thousands of dollars to get a med degree?

THERE ARE DOZENS OF QUALITY, RESPONSIBLE MEDICAL SCHOOLS TO CHOSE FROM IN NORTHERN MEXICO !!!

I totally refused to keep working with these thugs. No pay, no bonus and in top of that a useless job to write the Spanish web site. FORGET IT ANSELMO, ADIOS LARRY.........I HAD ENOUGH OF THEIR STUPIDITY !!!

As a result, they hired some evidently Texmex individual (no offense)that had no idea of what he/she was writing and months later produced the worst web site de Lara has had up to the present.... It would take a while to describe that sorry piece of bovine excrement. Neither the form in poor Spanish nor the content full of troublesome mistakes was worth it.

The irony of the situation is: they certainly had to pay cold cash for that crap when they refused to pay me for the certification and all the good work I did for them.



The wise say....PIGS DO NOT HAVE THE CAPACITY TO APPRECIATE PEARLS



z u

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Response to ztruth as historian

by Jab Jab (no login)

GREAT POSTS ZEE



KEEP THEM COMING



IT SEEMS THESE GUYS TREATED YOU WORSE THAN THEY TREATED LSW



THE MORE YOU EXPOSE THIER NATURE THE MORE FOLK WILL SEE THAT THEY ARE RASCALS AND SCOUNDRELS AND THAT THEY AND THEY SCHOOL NEED TO BE AVOIDED

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JBGDL struggling to get folk to think that folk are interested in thier school

by Ghost of KING KONG (no login)

Has anyone noticed JBGDL's blog where they right little posts to one another to get folk to think that folk are interested in thier school.


They tried to bully Network 54 and have sucessfully bullied valueMD into silence. At the same time they have hired some nerds to write their crap and attempt to defend them in the internet with some very puerile chatter.


DONT TRY TO ASK ANY SERIOUS QUESTIONS AS YOUR POST WILL BE MODERATED OUT


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I had a dream during my mid morning nap.

by zee truth (no login)

I had a dream during my mid morning nap.

In it I saw A BLIND BLIND MAN

HE SAID TO ME

DO YOU KNOW VEEB or ZEE?

I SAID YES

HE SAID TO ME Young man I blind blind blind but I can clearly SEE! No judge is going to waste time with Larry & Anselmo’s temper tantrum. Everyone in Zapata and the surrounding areas of Texas have heard of their sorry organization and their deplorable attempt at running a medical school.

I SAID TO HIM Old man how you so blind and you can see so much?

HE SAID TO ME Young man. Larry & Anselmo scared to continue because they don’t know what fat will hit the fire when Experto, Prausnitz, VBEE & ZEE open their folders with the documents and e mails that they have kept will be evidence against them.

HE SAID TO ME Young man. Larry & Anselmo scared to continue because they are confused by the silence of Experto and Prausnitz, and totally confused by the boldness of VBEE & ZEE who continue to mock them and just bring out more damning details of their interaction with the JBGDL dummies.

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Zee, you got me daydreamin'

by Jimmy J Durante (no login)

Hey Zee buddy!

I enjoyed your dream but it was not inclusive enough. However, it got me to daydream a lot. This is what I day dreamed.

The Wise Blind Man does not just speak, but is like a an officer of the court and he invites the mothers of the students that went to the Cooks to give their testimony. Remember them? The students, it seems, were obliged to sign away their rights, but their mothers did not, and certainly, no one can give away the obligation to give testimony at court when so required by a judicial process. They must have something interesting to say. In fact, they have already said a lot. And then the Blind Man also invites the students from the original bunch who have left the place to explain why they departed and what it has cost them to have been there. Then the Blind Man also invites the female students that were sexually abused by one the the profs to describe exactly what the prof did, in the windowless classroom and in front of the skeleton to boot (No respect there). Then the Blind Man invites some of the people from Zapata to come and testify on what they have been hearing and talking for months. And then Blind Man invites some...

See what I mean? The whole thing mushrooms rapidly into a densely populated dream.

And, Zee, your dream, our dream now (gotta give me some credit), could easily morph into their nightmare.

Sweet dreams Mr Zee, wherever you are!

Jimmy J Durante

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JBGDL USED PEOPLE! LOOK WHERE IT HAS GOT THEM

by Ghost of King Kong (no login)

JBGDL USED PEOPLE! LOOK WHERE IT HAS GOT THEM
While a man was polishing his new car, his 4 yr old son picked up stone and
scratched lines on the side of the car. In anger, the man took the
child's hand and hit it many times; not realizing he was using a wrench.
At the hospital, the child lost all his fingers due to multiple fractures.
When the child saw his father.....with painful eyes he asked, 'Dad when
will my fingers grow back?' The man was so hurt and speechless; he went
back to his car and kicked it a lot of times.

Devastated by his own actions......sitting in front of that car he looked at the scratches; the child had written 'LOVE YOU DAD'.
The next day that man committed suicide. . .

Anger and Love have no limits; choose the latter to have a beautiful, lovely
life..... Things are to be used and people are to be loved,
But the problem in today's world is that, People are used and things are
loved... During this year, let's be careful to keep this thought in
mind: Things are to be used, but People are to be loved ...


CAN YOU IMAGINE THE PROGRESS THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN MADE IF JBGDL DID NOT SEEK TO USE THEIR INITIAL STAFF AND HAD INSTEAD LOVED THEM FOR THE WORK THEY DID FOR THEM?

JBGDL USED PEOPLE! LOOK WHERE IT HAS GOT THEM

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This is also history

by Boxedor (no login)

It looks like these guys had the chance to answer the bell and come out swinging, but did not. They threw in the towel Why? It the issue that still plagues them, and will plague them forever: CREDIBILITY!

http://www.rnzi.com/pages/news.php?op=read&id=30968
South Pacific school of medicine has chance to respond - says Cook Islands DIB
Posted at 23:47 on 23 March, 2007 UTC

The Cook Islands Development Investment Board says the South Pacific School of Medicine will have a chance to respond to the government’s reasons for withdrawing its support for the school.

The government this week announced its withdrawal based on the findings of a Ministry of Health review team led by New Zealand consultant Debbie Sorensen.
The school was set up by American Dr Larry Sands and opened last May, but now faces having its operating license revoked by the DIB.
The CEO of the DIB, Mark Short, says the findings of the review were negative in their assessment of the school and raised questions over the credibility of its operator.

“We’re just going through the process whereby we write to them and provide them with the grounds for wanting to revoke their approval and we have to, under our legislation, provide them with an opportunity to respond to the reasons. After that then the board of directors will have to meet and formalise their position but at the moment we’re just waiting for feedback.”

News Content © Radio New Zealand International
PO Box 123, Wellington, New Zealand

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BOXEDOR IS CORRECT!

by Really? Really? (no login)

On the question of ETHICS!

THE FOLLOWING ENTRY IS FROM THE de Lara MED APPLICATION (CHECK OUT THE SIGNATURE):


Have you ever been convicted of a criminal offense, or are there disciplinary or criminal charges pending against you? If yes, explain in detail.


IS THIS QUESTION NOT IRONICAL WHEN ONE CONSIDERS THAT OWNER & CEO OF JBGDL was

Convicted for Fraud in Texas and evicted for fraud at the Cook Islands

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Investigation Findings #4

by Investigator (no login)

In gathering documentation for the lawsuit,
the following information was discovered
about Victor Brooks also known as "Iswiltshire".
This is a re-post from ValueMD posted by Hawk-Eye
and was written several years ago. The posts
demonstrate that Victor Brooks has a pattern
of writing similar posts against St. Martinus
and now against the Escuela de Medicina Jose
Bernardo Gutierrez de Lara. A series of many
posts written by Victor Brooks against St. Martinus
will later be submitted.
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“the bottom line is stop bashing, it obvious
you dont like the school. By mentioning the
AFB and the US embassy he is trying to show
stability in the island. My god this is the
worst case of bashing I have seen since the
master basher (on almost all the forum)
Iswilshire started posting.

People listen and listen good, the school is
moving forward everyday, we are all studying
and getting ready to take our tests. These people
who post negative things all the time are trying
to stop you from coming to St Martinus for some
reason, they dont care about you or what you do,
understand that. they only want to play games. If
you subscribe to this type of trash your hurting
yourself. I would visit the school and ask other
students what they think, nothing is perfect, but
the way these two jokers are posting you would
think that the school is about to go under, its
just not the case. Also im not cheerleading, im
defending so dont even try to say im cheerleading.

Im sorry but this VMD site is a dangerous place to
visit, there are predators all over this site. Its
a shame and border line illegal. Now Iswiltshire will
write a 4 page essay to discredit my post. so enjoy
his molestation of the current situations at SMU. Im
wondering actually if both of these people Doc and
iswiltshire are working at a medical school that competes
with SMU. By the way can you tell us where you work?
Id like to know your angle. we all would!!!!!!
Let see the game they play and run around they give us.

As for our USMLE pass rate you say you doubt that its that
good and that SGU does not have that high of scores, well
buddy, thats an insult to SGU. I figured they would be doing
good on there USMLE since they are considered a great school.
So if our scores are better than theirs, what do you think
that says about SMU. "we are achieving great things" Way to
put your foot in your mouth.”






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FOCUS JBGDL! ANSWER OUR REASONABLE QUESTIONS

by Jab JAB (no login)


A- Larry Sands boasted in 2006 that his school wont be a sham school under a pizzareria, but wont you get a better education at such an institution, than at the one door fire trap place without faculty and facilities he is running across the border in Mexico.
Wont you at least learn to make pizzas?

B- Since JBGDL in its history has been guilty of flipping from here to there, and then flipping hither , thither and yon, wont it be better that JBGDL ought to have gone into real estate?

C Is it true that JBGDL are not only guilty of having “flights of fancy”, but also “flights of fancy”

D As JBGDL tries to reinvents itself yet another time , what assurances do prospective students have that they will do it correctly this time?

E Have they got the requisite number of students to sustain a medical school this time?

F Do they have the requisite number of tutors this time?

G Have the facilities really improved?

H Are they still operating from a loaned solitary classroom?

I Are they library books, cadavers, microscopes and other things normally seen at medical schools?
J Has the faculty improved? Is there still grossly inadequate staffing levels?
.
K Has any of the inaugural students passed the USMLE Step 1 exam?

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Print this one out for the courts little Investigator boy

by Jab Jab (no login)

JBGDL THE STOP AND START MEDICAL SCHOOL- ITS ORIGINS and DEJA VU

It’s a new year, and JBGDL has a new website as they attempt to get their fledgling fraud school of the ground. After three attempts in the last year, JBGDL has failed to sustain any of its starts. One wonders why they have failed so often? One wonders why they think they can succeed this time.

Let us share with you a brief history of this STOP AND START MEDICAL SCHOOL The organization The organization that runs and owns JBGDL has tried several times in the pass to run a medical school and has failed miserably each time.

JBGDL originally came on the scene with another name a few years ago when its owners tried to open somewhere in the Big Bend region of Texas and Mexico. Then it popped up again in a border crossing called Colombia, in the state of Nuevo Leon. Then it popped up in Nuevo Laredo, Tamaulipas.

If you study the links and treads below, you will see that the history of the FAILURE OF JBGDL HAS BEEN CONSISTENT! CONSISTENT & PERSISTENT FAILURE!
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/arch.../t-119668.html

http://valuemd.com/archive/index.php/t-17227.html

JBGDL (formerly SPSOM/IMSA inter alia) has thus been in its several advents a roving medical school with many names and faces: but with the same result, abject failure!. A recent attempt was from May 2006 until April 2007 when it reemerged as SPSOM in the Cooks islands and as IMSA in Nuevo Guerrero, Tamaulipas Mexico. In both cases these attempts ended as a back street abortions in less than l year!

At this time, the CEO of SPSOM/IMSA/JBGDL sought a charter from the Cook Islands after being rebuffed by all 11 Mexican medical schools he had approached looking for a partner. When he had failed 11 times, the Cook Islands gave him an ear.

The LLC that owns JBGD, however did not really care about the Cooks Islands or of having a school there. Their interest was mainly in getting the charter from the Cooks so that a school could be convened in Mexico, the very place where the LLC that operated both SPSOM/IMSA sought to lure unsuspecting students.

It has been well documented on the valueMD forum that in the months of its operation that SPSOM failed to run like a real bona fide medical school. There were only FOUR students, who were forced to go there so that the school could start, in order for the IMSA campus at Guerrero to operate, since they had no charter from Mexico to operate.

The SPSOM campus was said to be a school for missionary doctors, and apparently churches were approached to support the venture. However, ion its short duration no Bible was taught there, and only one of the teachers who went there to teach could be considered a theologian, by any means.

A lot of money was wasted on renting the building used for the school especially when it is considered that the students paid no tuition or boarding fees. The accommodations in the school were far superior to those in Mexico, and there was even an MG vehicle, a vehicle for staff use and a small library with four computers and several new brand relevant books. For the first few months there were itinerant teachers who were flown out to Rarotonga for a 1- 3 week vacation, during which they did some teaching. Eventually, there were two permanent teachers; one of whom was hopelessly loss in both teaching the subject matter and in running a medical school.

Eventually, the Cooks government revoked their support for the operations there. This will be discussed in a subsequent post. For now we can say that it has been well documented on valueMD that the school only had TWO teachers at any given time, and that for the most part these teachers were teaching several areas that were out of their specialty. It has been documented that the school had a poor curriculum, and that despite meetings where students and their parents complained, there was no improvement. It has been documented that the school’s chief academic officer was incompetent and unapproachable. It has been documented also that the school did not present a proper business plan to the Cooks except one with ridiculous information that was widely circulated on the Texas Border.

Back in Mexico, JBGDL – then called IMSA started with seven students and a single teacher, known to be a drug addict, and to have been debarred by the Texas Medical Board for abusing patient’s medication inter alia. He was fondly known as Here’s the Deal, as he made this statement before telling the students the questions on his exams. Like its counterpart in the Cooks, IMSA was ran by an absentio Dean from San Antonio Texas, where he had another job, which was apparently more time consuming..

Both schools were under capitalized and understaffed, and the Chief Academic Officer was conspicuous by his arrogance and ignorance in being able to interpret the USMLE objectives. JBGDL (formerly SPSOM/IMSA inter alia) had started a school without proper numbers of tutors and in less than adequate facilities. They started a school without proper leadership or a busyness plan! They started a school without adequate capital, causing the top employees including the Dean to quit!

Soon after the Cook Island Government closed the school in Rarotonga, the school in Mexico closed, as it had no charter to operate, and because Here’s the Deal cursed his fellow teacher for attempting to negotiate grades with one of the female students who lived at the cursers lodgings. The seven students in Mexico were sent home to study on their own, until school could be reconvened.

In September 2007 JBGDL started again, with a solitary teacher and seven students. Four of the charter or inaugural students did not return. The new Dean commuted from Nevada weekly, and was forced to teach every subject in the schools curriculum, until either his contract expired, or he burnt out. But teaching was suspended from about September 20008 up until now, with the most recent resurgence which is another clear example of the ever-evolving, ever-changing chameleon-like existence of this so-called medical school. JBGDL has failed so often as it has become the prince of the scam sham offshore school.

Orriginally JBGDL started as an American offshore school with supposedly American teachers and an American curriculum. It is well documented on value MD that this was far from the truth. When it re-emerged in September 2007 JBGDL was now back as a Mexican school with a slightly improved curriculum. It still had a solitary teacher/Dean , who now had the responsibility to teach the whole curriculum single handedly as he has himself admitted to two Texan newspaper reporters. This brave soul apparently quit or burnt out by September 2008 at the end of his contract.

There was a definite hiatus at JBGDL between September 2008 and now, as there were no teachers or students, and it seems no money to carry on!

Now in May 2009 JBGDL wants to return!

Surely it is true that when an institution's program changes as often as the wind changes direction, one has to question the integrity and sincerity with which they speak when they say, "we're going to try again"?

Why should you, the prospective medical student think that it will succeed this time? Are these not the same persons that have failed to deliver an American type education, with American faculty, etc? Are these not the same persons that sent home the students to study in 2007, and ran out of steam and money last year?

Prospective students, you must ask yourself, since JBGDL did not last on all the previous why should it last this time. Let those who have chosen to be their guinea pigs over the last three years finish their “education” before you risk your money there. In the interim, go to an established and genuine medical school.

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JBGDL your ad hominems have no sting!

by Observer (no login)

The JBGDL seek to defend thier charade by ad hominems but they ought to play THE BALL, not the man.

They ought to address the MESSAGE not the messenger.

They need to focus on cleaning up thier act not on trying to deglect their failure.

The MESSAGE about your sorry school is the topic of this discussion, and you cant deflect it.

For example HOW MANY OF YOUR STUDENTS HAVE PASSED USMLE STEP 1 SINCE YOU STARTED OPERATING IN 2006?

HOW MANY STUDENTS HAVE ENROLLED THIS YEAR AT YOUR DUMP IN GUERERO?

JBGDL your ad hominems have no sting!

Your pithy pathetic posts are puerile, pedestrian and pedantic, and lacking in punch!


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Print this one for the courts too Investigator!

by Jab Jab (no login)

The original $1,500,000.00 was money that Larry jacked from Anselmo. He made Anselmo think that the SCAM was worth $10,000,000.00 so la Trevi was satisfied in getting 15 % for that amount

In the transaction, both lost. Larry ended up married to incompetence. As an administrator Anselmo has not been able to get one right. The latest evidence of his ineptitude was the decision to get portable classrooms. These will look ridiculous and won't improve their deplorable image, and, to make it worse, they will cost more than twice as much than solid block buildings.

Is it possible that he was thinking of his classroom when he was a Special Education teacher?

Anselmo lost because he is getting zilch for the investment of his cash (that he never worked for because he made it from his son's accident). He ended up broke and had to put his wife to work at the school district (she had not worked for years).

What is actually a grotesque comedy is the fact that these two bumbling businessmen took no more than six months to burn the one and a half million dollars and were only able to recruit the original magnificent seven students. Ok, that's about $214,000.00 per head. GOOD JOB GUYS !!!

As owner of the greatest part, Larry has had to pay most of the running expenses including Lew Dip's and the instructor's stipends and some Cook Island's stuff. For that reason he has had to work his ass off in emergency rooms from Alpine to Zapata. Additionally he had to mortgage his property. It can be assumed that as Larry Jr. got the loan from Hollywood investors the first order of business was to pay for Larry's debt.

The tuition from the four students left at de Lara is minuscule. That's no help, but being that they borrow the classroom today's running expense is just Scottie's (their one sole teacher) stipend.

So if the $1,500,000.00 was an investment there is no real interest accumulating.

The problem for these med education entrepreneurs will be when Hollywood comes in to collect their money. It must have been a good chunk of cash and probably not too cheap. It can also be assumed that sophisticated California investors got these two dummies by their genitals. They are not going to fall for that Limited Liability crap.

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These truths about JBGDL dishonesty must be presented to the courts

by JAb Jab (no login)

Additional truths about JBGDL dishonesty

After failing early in 2007 as IMSA, the school restarted as JBGDL in September of the same year, but operated under the radar until its new website was discovered in January.

Why do you think that they sought to operate under the radar, rather than advertise themselves online?

Why did only three of the original seven students who begun during the attempt of this school in July 2006 returned? Is it because they know it wont last this time either?

Is it because they had come to realize that a new school could not offer an outstanding Medical Doctor program to both International and North American medical students by offering a medical school program that spans 4 academic years, and complete it in 3 calendar years with a class week Monday through Thursday for five hours per day ?

Is it because they had come to realize that they could not get a top quality education at this place that was merely another sprout from the same root!


It turns out that the wise students who did not return were correct, because after a year JBGDL ground to a halt again in Sept 2008!


We were told in the summer of 2007 by former top officials of IMSA (now JBGDL) that
after the owners and senior managers of IMSA/JBGL/SPSOM had demonstrated IMMORAL CALLOUSNESS by first protecting themselves by owning IMSA/JBGL/SPSOM through a LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY (LLC) then sought further protection by having their students sign a letter giving away their rights.


We were told in the summer of 2007 by former top officials of IMSA (now JBGDL) that
the students that enrolled in Guerrero were also to have signed the same letter that the SPSOM students were conned into signing, but that Dean Daffy forgot to instruct the official who was in charge of enrolling the students, that they were to sign this letter which signed away their rights, until after they were enrolled.

Note that the person that exposed this inside information, was of course the student enroller, who definitely knew what was going on. They knew the inside story!.

When Dean Daffy discovered what he had forgotten, he could not then ask the students to sign a document designed to further protect the owners, already protected behind an LLC, from the consequences of what has now become much too real: IMSA/JBGL is a FAILURE!!!!

So when SPSOM folded in less than a year, officials who started and operated that school in the hope of getting a charter to run IMSA- now JBGDL wrote in this public forum thus….”.The students at SPOSM were treated fairly according to written agreements that they signed. The details of the personal situations of each one of them are not going to be exposed publicly because it is neither right nor necessary. Their time was not wasted in any sense of the word.”


This same official wrote on this public forum “The amount of money that the Cook Island students payed was minimal because they were not charged tuition and their trips and rooms were payed for by IMSA-SPOSM.”

After spending almost a year in the Cooks islands, these students, and those at IMSA, found that both schools were closed and that none of the 11 students had completed anything that could be called a legitimate medical course, and even what they were taught incompletely could not be transferred anywhere.

They also found that they had signed away their rights to complain! Have you ever seen any one of them utter a word on valeMD about their plight? Including losing their homes as at least ones student did?


THE Unanswered QUESTIONS that are now pertinent include…
Has anything really changed at JBGDL in Mid May 2009?
Will the few current students and any students who are silly enough to enroll sign away their basic rights again?
Are they being really truly treated fairly this time according to written agreements that they signed?
Where are accurate and true photos of your facilities?
Where is your list of faculty?
How about answering all the questions in all the posts that have not been answered.
Do your students still have a feeling of despair, disappointment, disillusionment, and dejection?
Seems very little has changed at JBGDL over the years of its existance.

Since the rehashed JBGDL of September 2007 failed again by September 2008 and was unable to deliver what they promised their students in September 2007, you really think that the rehashed JBGDL of Mid May 2009 will be any better?

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ZEE & VBEE got JBGDL at bay!

by Observer (no login)

Dont worry JAb Jab people all around are getting to understand the JBGDL modus operandi...

Sadly, JBGDL continues floundering but still seeks to take in good people's money.

THE PLOY NOW SEEMS TO HAVE CHANGED FROM IF THEY CANT FLEECE THE AMERICANS, AND IF THEY CANT FLEECE THE MEXICANS, TRY TO FLEECE THE INDIANS.

Sands and his cronies are looking to get a substantial amount of tuition money up front from any sucker they can find…… and then they put out nothing except to pay a single teacher ………..what a sweet deal for him.

But ZEE & VBEE got them at bay!
They cant find any more stupid students to pay!
They cant shut these guys up what ever they say!

Yah! YAh! Yah!

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A tale of two parents who nearly paid their money to JBGDL

by Fly on the wall (over heard this conversation (no login)

INSIDE CONVERSATION
PARENT 1: has anyone figured up recently what kind of money they must have brought in initially already from students?

PARENT 2: IT CANT BE MUCH

PARENT 1: no but considering they have so few expenses - no library, real facility, no equipment, etc?

PARENT 2: i'm sure they thought at some point that lswiltshire fellow would have gone away and leave them be.

PARENT 2: WELL THEY WERE VERY WRONG lol

PARENT 1: yes indeed lol and he has done a very fine job at sticking it to them consistently!

PARENT 2: SEEMS HE DON'T PLAN TO UNTIL THEY SINK

PARENT 1: i'm so glad. they deserve nothing less!

PARENT 2: i have to out of town tomorrow and won't be back until next friday... but I hope he keeps up the blasting of holes in their boat lol.

PARENT 1: Yes indeed. He saved both of us a lot of money! May God bless that man. He is certainly very bold.

PARENT 2: Well the good book says the righteous are as bold as a lion,

PARENT 1:I guess

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JBGDL is being made to pay! Sorry prevented from paying thier investors back LOL

by Ghost of KING KONG (no login)


It is interesting that the JBGDL crowd seeks now to target LSW with all sorts of red herrings. What ever he has written has NOTHING at all to do with what is happening at JBGDL.

JBGDL cannot refute anything that he has said about the deficiencies in their program.

JBGDL cannot refute his logic or his pristine prose nor the evidence he has continually presented, which has been corroborated time and time again by other ex JBGDL insiders of higher rank than what he held. Time and time again Experto Prausnitz and then Zee Truth came to valueMD and gave more details to support what LSW told the forum. Recently Zee Truth again revealed that the students themselves noted that he was the only one to present good information, After 8 months of JBGDL ineptitude, they had at last realized that his work had indeed stood out.

IF HE IS NOT TELLING THE TRUTH WHY DONT ANYONE REFUTE WHAT HE HAS BEEN SAYING ALL THIS TIME.
I ADMIRE HIS EFFORTS BECAUSE AS I HAVE SAID BEFORE AND WILL SAY AGAIN ID BE A SUCKER AT JBGDL WERE IT NOT FOR HIM ARTICULATING VER CLEARLY THE DEFICIENCIES AND DANGERS AT THAT PLACE.

JBGDL MUST attack LSW because he has brought evidence to the forum and with his ex colleagues he has exposed JBGDL at every turn!

He produced evidence of JBGDL’s incompetent leadership when JBGDL in early 2008 they ran an ad for staff on the first day of a semester.

He has used his wit, knowledge of medicine, knowledge of the deficiencies there and much persistence in keeping the issues fresh in the minds of any newbies that might be lured to this awful school, just as I nearly was.

Just as television and radio stations are used to convey the same advertising messages over and over and over, day after day and year after year, LSW & ZTruth ought to be commended for the steadfastness and persistence they have demonstrated in exposing this school.

Since I knew myself I have been seeing ads for Coke and Pepsi , KFC Wendy's Mac Donalds etc and so on. Has these firms not been persistent in getting out their message?

From time immemorial the church has been bringing out the message of the gospel of Christ. JBGDL has muted the message via valueMD just as many churches have been burnt and many missionaries martyred. But just as these acts failed to stop the evangelization process, LSW must not be deterred by ad hominem attacks, or the JBGDL crowd sending nasty emails, or the JBGDL threats of a law suit! LSW mist not give up telling the truth if he has a conviction that there is wrong being committed at JBGDL. He must continue to warn unsuspecting prospective medical students. And I daresay that along with Zee Truth the results of their efforts are substantial because floods of students are definitely NOT streaming across the border in droves as Larry Sands had hoped.

Everyone can see that therein lies JBGDL’s problem! JBGDL cant hurt ZEE or VBEE or any of those whom they mistreated any longer, so their little baby darts by their Investigator only comes over like something a very angry 12 year old would write not an adult.

What is clear to me is that if they don’t get a lot of students soon they cant keep on paying Dr Moron or Dr Scott for very long.
Nor will they be able to upgrade their extremely poor facilities…..or be able to hire the number of teachers they need to execute the curriculum they advertise.
Nor will their investors keep trusting them with their money.
Nor will they be able to repay their loans.
How these things must hurt these bastards!

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JUST, GO TO THE BANK WITH THAT LAUGHABLE CRAP !!!

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YOU MAKE MY DAY investigator

YOUR WORTHESS EXCREMENT SHOWS TO THE WORLD HOW USELES YOUR JOB IS.

BY ALL MEANS CHARGE THE DE LARA SCAMMERS DEARLY........ YOUR CAR PAYMENT IS DUE.


Your information is so pitiful and useless it can only inspire ridiculing.

At that pace it will take you thirty to forty five years to fully describe who Wiltshire is for certain. .......... L.O.L.......lol

ARE U A PROFESSIONAL AT THIS CRAP ???


Keep it up guy, YOU'RE ON A ROLL !!!!!!



z u

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Investigator here is some of the very best of ZEE from 20008, that you need to print for t

by Ghost of KING KONG (no login)

ZTRUTH Your posts are both INSIGHTFULL and incitefull to JBGDL LOL You have them hopping mad! I love that you are ruffling their feathers!

Investigator here is some of the very best of ZEE from 20008, that you need to print for the courts!


Here is just the start of an analysis of the advertising de Lara has posted in their web site. Better known as de KECKE it is the cheapest most incredibly fly-by-night business ever attempted by an American enterprise in the medical education field. The following are statements they make in their internet site followed by deserving comments:

High academic standards requiring advanced degrees, relevant experience, and teaching excellence of all faculty. ALL OF ONE INSTRUCTOR ?

The medical school career spans 4 academic years that can be completed in 3 calendar years. WITH ONE INSTRUCTOR, NO LIBRARY, NO CAMPUS AND A FOUR DAY WEEK, SURE THEY WILL GET THEM READY FOR THE SMLE – ONLY IF IT MEANS: SOMETHING MEXICAN LUPE EXAMINES.

We will spare no expense, not only in the physical facilities of the campus, HOW ABOUT BORROWING A SECOND CLASSROOM FROM THE MIDDLE SCHOOL ?
but also in the technological array of educational tools that will allow our students to be leaders and the best prepared medical doctors. MAYBE A SECOND PLASTIC SKELETON ?

1. Embrace the students and teach them with the latest innovative technology and curriculum. De KECKE CURRICULUM
2 Consider the student a partner in health care. GOOD LUCK TO THOSE THAT GET TRAPPED THERE.
3.Treat our professional staff and employees with respect and strive for an excellent, competitive work environment.
THIS IS THE WORST LIE OF ALL, THEY NEVER RESPECTED ANY OF THEIR STAFF OR STUDENTS AND THERE IS ABUNDANT EVIDENCE IN THE LEGAL SYSTEM IN TEXAS TO PROVE IT.

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Some Island Proverbs and Sayings For JBGDL to Ponder

by LS WILTSHIRE (no login)


NUH NAME, NUH BLAME, NUH LOCK UP!

If no names are called, no one can be accused.
If no names are used , no one can be accused.

A EYEFUL EN A BELLYFUL .

Seeing is one thing, having it in your possession is another thing.
It needs more than dreams to be successful LARRY!

DEAD MAN CANT RUN FROM E COFFIN

It is impossible to run from your responsibilities. or your fate!
So fix the facilities and hire faculty!

DONT RUSH DE BRUSH AND TROW WAY DE PAINT

Do not allow haste to create problems for you.

DONT WAIT TILL DE HORSE GET OUT DE STABLE TO SHUT DE DOOR

Don't wait until the situation gets out of control then to take corrective action.

DONT LEH NUHBODY RUB **** IN YUH MOUT AND TELL YUH IT IS PUDDIN

Don't let anyone do or say anything harmful or insulting, under the guise that they are being nice.

HURRY HURRY NEVER DONE
Do not do things in a hurry, you may have to re-do it all.

YUH HEAD AINT MEK FUH HAT ALONE.
You should always used your common sense.

“ONE ONE BLOW DOES KILL OLE COW.
What may seem to be minor bruises or irritations can cause disaster if repeated often enough.

DUH IS MORE IN DE MORTAR DAN DE PESTLE

There is more to the issue than what appears on the surface.

HARD EARS YUH WONT HEAR OWN WAY YUH GINE FEEL

Persistent disobedience will eventually result in pain.

ONE SMART DEAD AT TWO SMART DOOR

No matter how smart you think you are, there is somebody who can out-smart you. (there is always someone ahead of you in the game).

“DE DEVIL DOES FINF WORK FUH IDLE HANDS FE DO

People with nothing to do get themselves into mischief.

DO FUH DO AINT OBEAH

One should not be offended if treated the same way he or she has treated other people.

DAY DOES RUN TIL NIGHT CATCH IT
Things that are done in secret or disguise will eventually be revealed for what they truly are. OR
One can continue to hide and do something but there will come a time when they won’t be able to hide and do it anymore.

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