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Phil...what is your view on this....

January 25 2006 at 4:42 AM
gerard (the watchman)  (Login gerardthewatchman)

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If people studied scripture dilligently and realized more where exactly we are in Biblical prophesy....they wouldn;t be worried about politics,

...but...would be dilligently trying to get their 'house' in order for time is very short.

Luke 4:4
Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

Irnoically, i will add, when Jesus said this...what was He referring to?...the OLD Testiment...there was no 'new' testiment yet....every reference Jesus used to 'scripture' was to what?...the Torah...the Old Testiment.

So many will come and acknowledge Jesus as the Christ, and will call Him Lord....yet what?....do they do what He said?...what He commanded? Do they really obey Him?

Matt 24

4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. 6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows. 9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. 10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. 11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. 12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. 15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: 17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. 23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25 Behold, I have told you before. 26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with F46 a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. 35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. 36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. 37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. 43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. 44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. 45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? 46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. 47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods. 48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; 49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; 50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, 51 And shall cut F47 him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

 
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January 26 2006, 5:46 AM 

Hello Gerard!

Thanks for posting here and I'm not really sure of how many things I think about this subject... my current view of it will probably be according to what I've learned from scripture.

You asked, "If people studied scripture diligently and realized more where exactly we are in Biblical prophesy....they wouldn't be worried about politics,

...but...would be diligently trying to get their 'house' in order for time is very short.

Luke 4:4
.Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

Ironically, i will add, when Jesus said this...what was He referring to?...the OLD Testament...there was no 'new' testament yet....every reference Jesus used to 'scripture' was to what?...the Torah...the Old Testament.

So many will come and acknowledge Jesus as the Christ, and will call Him Lord....yet what?....do they do what He said?...what He commanded? Do they really obey Him?
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Gerard, there are millions of sincere people out there who, in their own way, love God and want to worship Him. I'd say that the majority of those will call Him Lord,

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

...even though they may not want to 'obey' anyone or anything. Modern Christianity is a hodge-podge of conflicting doctrines, yes, but most of them do NOT want anyone or anything telling them HOW or WHEN to worship God. I'd say that for the most part, they have been told that Jesus came to FREE them from rules and regs, and to set them at liberty. And, this is true. Upon Repentance and Baptism, Jesus' does set Christians free from the PENALTY of the LAW, for their PAST sins. Liberty from sin is truly wonderful! Liberty from the PENALTY we incurred by breaking the Ten Commandments is truly wonderful.
Hoever, I feel that the Liberty spoken of here, has been exaggerated.... mis-reported and distorted.
Liberty from the penalty of past sins does NOT set one at liberty to ignore the very law that was broken. The breakage of which is why Christ had to die in the first place.

So, millions who 'believe IN God', will not BELIEVE GOD when He sets forth HIS 'rules and regs' ... the rules and regs He demands of those who call themselves Christians. They have been taught that to do so, will place them 'under the law' and that any sincere efforts to OBEY the Commandments are nothing more than THEIR OWN SELF-RIGHTEOUSNESS... their efforts to secure Salvation and Justification by works.

I find that anyone can 'study scripture diligently', and yet, still not get the message. (1Cor. 1:26)

Gerard>>"...do they do what He said?...what He commanded? Do they really obey Him?"

I'd say that they do... all they can do, and all they have been taught to do... and they do it 'sincerely'... but, what they have been taught to do, is that they, personally CAN'T DO ANYTHING... that they have to let Christ control their lives and LET HIM DO IT FOR THEM.

Those who survive this life and become part of The Kingdom of God, must somehow get to the Father...

Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Mat 11:27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

Christ is the only way to the Father!

But, they must also 'get to the Son'. Today's Christians are taught that ANYONE can get to the Son!

Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.


The Bible makes these things clear... to those who have ears to hear, and it's the God Family who decides WHO has those ears! No one gets to the Father, without going through Jesus Christ, and NO ONE gets to the Son unless the FATHER DRAWS him/her....

I think this is very clear in scripture and yet gets around it by teaching that God is drawing everyone right now, and that Jesus is just a prayer away.

You asked, "If people studied scripture diligently and realized more where exactly we are in Biblical prophesy....they wouldn't be worried about politics,

My view is that the majority can't do these things... not yet.
The majority, the whole world... (Rev. 12:9)

Politics... the hope that somehow, someway, someone who really cares about the needs of the people can be elected to public office so they can make a difference...

Alas, "Government, of the people, by the people and FOR the people" is a pipe dream. Human government will not work!

Only the Government of God will yield the true happiness that everyone desires.

That Kingdom, that GOVERNMENT is coming! But it is bringing with it the Rules and Regs that the subjects of that Kingdom will have to learn to LIVE BY.

Thy Kingdom Come... thy WILL BE DONE ON EARTH, as it is in heaven!

Back to you,

Phil


    
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