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Jesus... an Angel?

March 1 2006 at 10:58 PM
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I have a friend who thinks that Jesus was an angel before He was born as Christ.

Michael, the Archangel, to be exact.

???

Phil Barnes
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gerard (the watchman)
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First, thanks for the link plug bud...

March 2 2006, 12:12 AM 

I am going to have to figure you how to do that at my site too...

Now, I empathize and DO understand why this confusion exists...

Without going all over the place why I agree this is impossible the MAIN framework I wold use is that scripture indicates that the angels (all even the archangels) are CREATED beings.
Of course we know that Christ Jesus was begotten not created and pre-existed as stated in John 1:1 as the logos....who had no beginning and no end and ALL THINGS were created through Him (the Logos)...so

How could Jesus be and archangel and have pre-existed as the Logos and created all things...including HIMSELF then?? makes no sense. Scriptre can interpret itself here...but it can be a very confusing and HAHAHA another devisive topic. JW's I think believe that Jesus and Michael are the same...I hope I am not incorrect here...and hey, mopst JW's are well versed in Bible study...so let's all be patient when we see others have a belief we differ with because the elect of God is not a HUGE majority of believing people on this earth...it is the little flock...so we all could be deceived and be honestly thinking we are following God's direction ...but scripture does not say this is the case.

Here is an evern TOUGHER topic.... who is this scriptural character:

Who Was 'Melchisedec'(spelling??)?...

We find regarding the beginning of his existence,
something further described in Hebrews chapter 7.
Speaking of Melchisedec, who was king of Jerusalem
in the days of Abraham, it says also that he was the
Priest of God Most High. This Melchisedec had existed
from eternity“ without father, without mother, without
descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of
life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest
continually” (Heb. 7:3).

Okay...since Melchisedec was “like unto the Son of God,”
and abides as High Priest forever continually, and Jesus
Christ is now High Priest, can one not say scripture says that Melchisedec and Jesus Christ are one and the same Person?

Christ was “without father, without mother, without descent [in Abraham’s time], having neither beginning of days, nor end of life.” God also
had existed eternally with the Word. Jesus, when he was "the Word,” was an immortal being who had existed always—there never was a time when he did not
exist—without beginning of days. He was, then, “like” the Son of God—but he was not yet the Son of God. He also was God, along with God.
These passages show that the Word, in the beginning—before anything had been created—was with God, and he, also, was God.

Now how could that be?

There might be a man named John. And John might
be with the man named Smith, and John might also be
Smith because John is the son of Smith, and Smith is
the family name. Yet they are two separate persons.
The only point of difference in that analogy is that
the Word, at the time of John 1:1, was not, yet, the Son
of God. But he was with God, and he also was God.
They were not yet Father and Son—but they were
the God kingdom!

That family is composed, now, of God the Father,
and Jesus Christ his Son, and many begotten humans
who already, now, are begotten sons of God (Rom.
8:14, 16; I John 3:2), forming His Church.

Long before anything else existed, there did exist
two Supreme Beings, immortal, who always had
existed.

A person's mind can’t quite conceive that “always,”
but neither can it quite conceive of what is electricity!
Yet you know electricity exists and is real!

Take care Phil

 
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You are welcome!

March 7 2006, 6:46 AM 

for the 'plug'..

and thanks for the topic on Melchisedec.

Hope it will be one that interests many.

PHil

 
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lee
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it shouldn't be that much of a puzzle.............

March 2 2006, 10:39 AM 



Look up the Hebrew name of Michael, and check out the meaning of angel.It only means messanger not some spirit winged being as the Catholics have proposed.Jesus did decend from above.Will anyway just some thoughts on it personally I think Jesus was is and always will be the Christed ONE.An of coarse Jesus never was the first name of the saviour....more need of useing Greek study to understand where tradition comes from.


lee

 
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Your points

March 7 2006, 6:59 AM 

Hey Lee!

Thanks for chiming in on this.
You are a thinking person!

I read a lot of potential topics in your post.

Maybe you should consider posting on some of them and see what others think.

Phil

 
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Sandy
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Re: Jesus... an Angel?

March 10 2006, 5:37 PM 

Phil, is he JW, or been listening to JW teachings. I ask because that is what they believe. I cannot remember why it was that was shared with me they believe this though. And have not read all that Gerard posted about it either.



luv ya,
Sandy

Wherefore the rather, brethren give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall. (2nd Pet. 1:10)

 
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Sandy...

March 12 2006, 12:23 PM 

You asked, >>"Phil, is he JW, or been listening to JW teachings."

Well, actually he was an Adventist. I'm not sure if they listen to JW's or not..

Phil

 
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