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Hen's Teeth and immortal souls

February 27 2008 at 7:11 AM
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Both are non-existant!

It all started in the Garden..  The Creator told Adam and Eve one thing, and then the serpent told them something else!

If you claim to be a Christian, which one should you believe?

Which one DO  you believe?

Think about it! ... Most people who claim to believe the Bible, believe it confirms the immortality of the soul.   But in reality, the Bible states "The soul that sinneth, it shall die."  It says it TWICE!  Ezekiel 18:4 & 20

God says "You shall surely die" and the serpent says, "You shall NOT surely die"

Are you a Christian? Ask yourself and be honest!!   

Whom do YOU Believe???



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...Death is the absence of life.

 
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Dennis
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There is

February 27 2008, 7:46 AM 

There is really only one Soul. Man is the image of that one Soul. God's image can no more die than God can.

Jesus has already conquered death. It is a done deal.

 
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Sherlock
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they are conscious of nothing at all

February 27 2008, 9:25 AM 

In the very first book of the Bible, Genesis, we learn the accurate meaning of "soul." Regarding the creation of the first man, Adam, the Bible says: "Jehovah God proceeded to form the man out of dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man came to be a living soul." (Genesis 2:7) Clearly, the soul is not what a man has but what he is. The Hebrew word used here for soul is ne'phesh. It occurs some 700 times in the Bible, and it never refers to a separate and ethereal part of a human but always to something tangible and physical.—Job 6:7; Psalm 35:13; 107:9; 119:28. What happens to the soul at death? Consider what happened to Adam at his death. When he sinned, God told him: "You [will] return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return." (Genesis 3:19) Think of what that means. Before God created him from the dust, Adam did not exist. After his death, Adam returned to the same state of nonexistence.

Simply stated, the Bible teaches that death is the opposite of life. At Ecclesiastes 9:5, 10, we read: "The living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages, because the remembrance of them has been forgotten. All that your hand finds to do, do with your very power, for there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in Sheol, the place to which you are going." This means that the dead are unable to do or feel anything. They no longer have any thoughts, nor do they remember anything. The psalmist states: "Do not put your trust in nobles, nor in the son of earthling man, to whom no salvation belongs. His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground; in that day his thoughts do perish."—Psalm 146:3, 4.

 
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Dennis
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Jesus

February 27 2008, 1:11 PM 

Defeated death.

 
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He did?

February 27 2008, 8:47 PM 

I thought it was the Fther who raised Him?

 
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Of Course

February 28 2008, 12:38 AM 

Of course Gerard, it was the Father who raised Christ from the dead, but millions believe otherwise... they say He raised Himself.  That is probably to stay inline with the immortal soul doctrine.



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Sherlock
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they are conscious of nothing at all

February 27 2008, 9:34 AM 

In the very first book of the Bible, Genesis, we learn the accurate meaning of "soul." Regarding the creation of the first man, Adam, the Bible says: "Jehovah God proceeded to form the man out of dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man came to be a living soul." (Genesis 2:7) Clearly, the soul is not what a man has but what he is. The Hebrew word used here for soul is ne'phesh. It occurs some 700 times in the Bible, and it never refers to a separate and ethereal part of a human but always to something tangible and physical.—Job 6:7; Psalm 35:13; 107:9; 119:28.

What happens to the soul at death? Consider what happened to Adam at his death. When he sinned, God told him: "You [will] return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return." (Genesis 3:19) Think of what that means. Before God created him from the dust, Adam did not exist. After his death, Adam returned to the same state of nonexistence.

Simply stated, the Bible teaches that death is the opposite of life. At Ecclesiastes 9:5, 10, we read: "The living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages, because the remembrance of them has been forgotten. All that your hand finds to do, do with your very power, for there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in Sheol, the place to which you are going."

This means that the dead are unable to do or feel anything. They no longer have any thoughts, nor do they remember anything. The psalmist states: "Do not put your trust in nobles, nor in the son of earthling man, to whom no salvation belongs. His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground; in that day his thoughts do perish."—Psalm 146:3, 4.

The Bible clearly shows that at death the soul does not move on to another body, but it dies. "The soul that is sinning—it itself will die," the Bible emphatically states. (Ezekiel 18:4, 20; Acts 3:23; Revelation 16:3) Thus, the doctrine of the immortality of the soul does not find any support in the Scriptures.

 
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Verses need reading!

February 28 2008, 12:43 AM 

Sherlock, I do appreciate your bringing out these verses!!

Simply stated, the Bible teaches that death is the opposite of life. At Ecclesiastes 9:5, 10, we read: "The living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages, because the remembrance of them has been forgotten. All that your hand finds to do, do with your very power, for there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in Sheol, the place to which you are going."

They need to be brought out into the light and read over and over... they are truth!

Thanks,



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Only One Soul?

February 28 2008, 12:35 AM 

Hey Dennis,

Nice to see you stopping by agian. 

Well, I guess my opening statement was rather blunt, but your comment is interesting.

You told us, "

Dennis
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There is

February 27 2008, 7:46 AM 

There is really only one Soul. Man is the image of that one Soul. God's image can no more die than God can.

Jesus has already conquered death. It is a done deal.
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I'm not sure exactly what it is that you're saying though.  The bible speaks of Adam BECOMING a soul.   A living soul.   Now, if, indeed, the Bible states that God is the only soul, I'd be very interested in reading and studying that scripture.

Obviously I don't agree with what was posted, but, it's ok... we all have our beliefs.

Yes, we are created in the image of God.  But, to insist that the image can not die... isn't that saying exactly what the serpent told Eve?

As I asked in the beginning, Dennis... Whom do you believe?



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