What is next? Striptease Girls?

The mind boggles at what the night clubs are doing
in Port Moresby, using girls to lure patrons to
their clubs! Parading almost in their birth day
suit, these PNG girls have been used, and although
I have never been to see them, the newspaper ads.
leave nothing to the imagination. Techincally, it
is a form of prostitution!! Over to PNG women for
comments.

Peace

It is very bad that the women are being used that way. But PNG women are always being used. Maybe we'll get our act together one day.

So long as png women have to make money to support their kids and families they will always have a temptation to be lured into these types of occupations. It's not easy... That's why it's so important we support leaders who have a proven record that talk about creating employment and training issues.

Supos not, then following the mistakes of other countries we will end up like a Bangkok or worse.

Education and information will arm our women from nightclub predators currently in operation in POM and elsewhere.

SHARE THE KNOWLEDGE...

over to you for comment...

We always talk about women being used, but what are these creatures that we call women!! Are they just some dumb animals without minds of their own?

It was disobedience to God that brought sin to this world. It was not a case of being used by the devil! but rather of wilfull submission to the devil.

Our problem here is that Png ladies have got to stop selling their souls to the devil and use their God given minds to say no to immorality.

Sista, if you are going to wait for the future to get your act together, then I hope the devil does not grab your soul the very next minute, cause now is the time to act.

The same also goes to all you Png men out there.

Dr Mauzzy,
I understand your concern as I don't believe PNG is really prepared for things of this nature. It almost seems as though our girls are simply being exploited to satisfy the greed of others.
I also don't believe this is in any way, improving the status of PNG's women. We should be looking more at educating and empowering our women and not exploiting them like this.
Tingting blo mi tasol.

Cheers,
Stail meri

I support the idea that the women should be educated and all that stuff. Try asking them if they love doing what they do. If so, then educate them to know exploitation when they see it and to manipulate the situation to their gain. After all, they will have the upper hand.
If you think that the men may not allow such instances, then what is woman equality and rights when the women themselves are submissive under the hand of the man?
Furthermore, exploiting women for entertainment purposes will never cease.
No matter how loud you blow your horn, these women have to find means of financial independence, which I say is a 'fast money' process.
Other women merely enjoy the performance. Not that I'm for it, but we have to see the both sides of why they carry out these 'shows'.
If the general does not have a taste of 'show girls' in night clubs, a strictly issued area should cater for such performances.

Cheers

I always struggle between the two pressures as stated in the title. You give some extreme cases but things such as women wearing pants in Gordons market (a source of very big trouble in the past) is a more subtle example that has always confounded me. I support women's rights to wear pants but at the same time I also support and respect people who respect their culture, particularly against domineering, competing outside cultures. So.....?????

Respect. That's what it comes down to. We honor what we respect.

Amen sister! You got that right!

I'm a big supporter of equal opportunity/womens rights and cultural norms, however it seems that the two are sometimes in direct conflict. I think the extent to which people should know their place in society is sometimes stretched beyond acceptable limits, to the point where their every action is already predetermined. I do however support the need for some structure as it creates stability, so I guess my big question is can womens rights/equal opportunity exist in a system dominated by cultural norms. From reading some of the postings I have seen on various sights related to PNG, it seems that equal opportunity or womens rights has taken a back seat to cultural norms. Hence it is probably easy to be led into thinking that PNG culture in general does not respect and appreciate their female counterparts. In addition to this it also seems to be a breeding ground for every nasty habit that is introduced...
From another angle it also seems that drastic action is needed to combat the apparent poor treatment of females... something along the lines of the singlet wearing, no bra, hairy armpits and legs, shaved head, lesbian exhibitions that where seen not to long ago. If this is what it takes then I think I can be certain in saying that PNG is definately not ready for this, nor do I see this as a very attractive way of supporting a cause. So where does this leave equal opportunity and womens rights???
It seems to me that in trying to propel ourselves into the 21st Century and combine age old customs, traditions and beliefs, with their foriegn and more modern counterparts, something has gone amiss. For example equal opportunity and womens rights.

Anyway liklik tingting blo mi, which I also posted on the Wantoks Forum. I'd be interested in finding out what everyone else thinks.

One good middle ground is women's fashions that utilise tapa cloth designs and bilum type weaving. These were featured in a recent Paradise Magazine issue of Air Niugini. The "meri blouse" is very PNG and can also be stylish too.

The real problem is that our women have no way to defend themselves and nobody in government that is willing to defend them. Rapists and women bashers need to be put in jail for a long time. I also believe in public humiliation such as making the criminals go naked and apologise to their victims.

Security is the responsibility of the government through the police and the courts. It really is shamefull for our country. In the end our practices are still barbaric.

I saw a story a while ago about a girl that had been raped by a pack of boys in Africa somewhere. As it happened the family and neighbours where completely outraged that nothing was being done about it, so they all gathered in a Kangaroo court and discussed the actions they felt where necessary. Not long after this every boy that was involved was dragged from their houses, most where taken completely by surprise and one wasn't even given a chance to get dressed. They where tied together around a light pole and the girl was given a whip. It was probably the saddest thing I ever saw because she was crying the whole time she was whiping them, and at the same time I felt glad that justice was being done. However later when I saw the story again I could see the fear in the eyes of the boys and couldn't help but feel a little pity for them. So I think I have come to the conclusion that shame is a great way of punishing these men, and this can be done by creating some kind of visible mark on them (permanent or not I don't know) that would let everyone know of their crimes and also serve as a warning to people.
The story that I mentioned also showed me, despite the fact that it was adequately controlled, how things like this can get out of hand and in the end nobody learns a thing.

The difference between PNG and Africa when it comes to punishment on violence is this. Africa is conpletely immune to violence as an act of punishment and PNG is not.

Public humiliation is good in our culture bikos sumpela ol man na meri igat sem. A few years ago in the little town where I lived ran a highway to an even bigger town. Along that highway are several villages. PMV's transport from my town ,people bringing their goods to the bigger town markets to sell. One day along the highway, a PMV was held up by several armed men. Cash and jewellry were stolen. After the hold up and after the PMV came back to my town and dropped of some people, the PMV owner asked for volunteers to ride back along the highway to the place where the holdup took place. The stupid people who held up the PMV had done the hold up right outside their village so it was easy to know where the perpetrators came from and where they would be.

Along with the PMV bus, the owner also owned a huge tipper dump truck. That truck along with the PMV were packed to the top with young men all volunteering to go find the perpetrators and to give them a good bashing.

I lived on the outskirts of the town right before you enter the town. The next morning I was up early sitting on the verandah looking out to the road. I saw the huge tipper truck with one of the hold up men sitting naked on a 40 gallon drum all tied up getting driven into the local market . His face was bloody from where he was beaten. He looked like he could use some water to as it was already very hot out and apparently he had been up all night. He was made to sit and stand whenever he was told to. He was forced to yell at the top of his lungs with tied hands what a rubbish man he was. He yelled how stupid he was and how he was really sorry. He recieved random punches whenever someone felt like it.

I didn't feel much remorse, after all I know myself what it's like to be held up.

My point is yes, violence and public humiliation in this case made a huge imprint in this guys head. Unfortunately for him, his friends ran away and didn't get caught,so he took the full blame but I am sure they heard what happened with the people from my small town.

Besides being beaten, the perpetrators village was burn't down by molotov cocktails(bottles filled with benzine and lighted). It was sad, but it was a lesson learned. I know to this day that there has never been another highway robbery going to my town.

Women wearing pants esp. at Gordons market has resulted in instances of rape and harrasment etc. Those attempting to find justification for these brutal acts have cited cultural norms. I am sorry but rape and sexual harrasment cannot be explained away by citing cultural norms.
In every society, there are certain conventions as to what can and cannot be worn in public however, as Ive stated before, the responbsibility to enforce these conventions does not lie with the sexually deprived animals that perpetrate these crimes.
I believe it comes down to a complete lack of respect for each other as members of society and particularly, a lack of respect for women in our society.

Amen to you this time sistah! What you wear should not warrant rape or other acts of violence. First of, how in the hell does one find a pair of pants on someone anymore an aphrodisiac than a few shots of liquor? There is a huge difference there. There should be no excuses either for selecting women that wear pants at the Gordon's market as potential rape victims versus those that don't wear pants. Bottom line... Do unto others as you would have them do unto you and if that don't work than do unto others as they would have you do unto them!

Peace.

Let them carry on with what they think they do best. After all, it's just another job opportunity. They are not being used or exploited, like people say. At the end of the day, these preety girls get rewarded for their work. Just like any other working class men or women out there. They ought to be proud of themselves. There are women everywhere in the world that do the same and have been for years.