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Just Watched the Canada vs. Switzerland match

by Stu

Great outing for our lads. Radz' two goals were great, and Larrys curler just inside the post was a sweet goal too. Lars made some good saves when he had to, and our D was great in front of the net. All in all a great performance.
GO CANADA GO!!

(Thanks for the tape Ed)

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All thanks go to G-L & Morgan Q. (nm)

by Ed

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Does anyone in Edm. have the tape?Reza maybe?

by James

I'm back in town and things are a little more settled in. Is that Vger kick about still on? Lets set up a date to hammer something out. Also, my Voyageur Cup cash came back to me. Did I post it wrong or did Winnipeg Fury just send it back? It was only 20 bucks but it was all I could scrape together at the time. I'm not sure when it came back but I had sent it pretty early on in the month.

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Try contacting.......

by Gian-luca

Strobe Z - his replacement copy should have arrived by now (unfortunately he was the only victim of a recording blunder, when I sent him what turned out to be a blank tape by accident.) Greg, let me know if the tape came through okay this time.



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Yes.. I've got it!

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Sorry Gian-luca... I've been absolutely swamped at work the last 2 weeks (like 14 hour days) gettting a project put together. I got the tape but haven't had time to watch it (apart from a quick check to make sure it wasn't blank again!)

James, if you want a copy, get in touch with me and we'll work something out.

Gian-luca... watch your mailbox!

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Calgary vs. Toronto (R)

by Cooks

Calgary 0 - 6 Toronto

I don't want to talk about it.

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AHAHA!! LYNX!

by JayWay

Haha
V-Cup all the way baby!!!

Down with Calgary and all the Owen Hargreaves you can produce!



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Where is Ed ?

by Jarrek

LOL ... Storm Stinx ...

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Just got back

by Ed

and am well into my second helping of humble pie. Thanks for the props Jarrek.

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LOL.......nm

by François

asdf

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Who were the scorers?

by JayWay

How many did Niki net?? hahaha!

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Re

by Ed

The young lad Budaric (sp) got two of the first 3. I think Elvis got one on a god-awful (from a GK pt of view) chip. Storm had a PK stopped when it was getting out of hand. Toronto scored early and often.
Tough night for the Storm. Seemed to be lacking in everything.

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Chip

by Ed

was scored by Serioux now that I think about it. From well out.


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As far as I can remember...

by Cooks

Budalic got two
Thomas got one
Aristodemo got one
Serioux got one

Somebody else got a goal, but at this point I don't really f***ing care anymore. Hell, Zagar could have scored tonight if he had decided to "do the village".

It was one of those nights where anything that could go right for the Lynx did and anything that could go wrong for the Storm did.

We also had a keeper from Ireland, fresh off of the plane, who was pure gash.

Jason will provide a match report eventually. I myself am going to turn off the computer, turn on some tunes, and try to erase the memory of this game with an entire bottle of single-malt scotch.

Bye.

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Faria

by Jason

Faria got the first one.

Jason


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oh my

by Tyler

Who would have thought it possible to score more goals than earned points in an A-League match?
hehe

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You're kidding?

by Marc P

That is niiiiiiiiiiice. Way to go Calgary.

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This is the most goals the Lynx have ever scored (nm)

by Jarrek

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Match Report.

by Stu

Storm Sucked, Lynx looked good!!

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Succinct but on the mark it seems n/m

by Gordon

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last five or six game

by behrouz

i can say for last six game lynx has played a very good soccer.if we can get one more win on this aways game we are in play off .

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USL/Toronto Lynx match report.

by Krammerhead

Toronto breezes past Calgary 6-0
by Eric Michalco, Toronto Lynx

Toronto Lynx 6 :: 0 Calgary Storm
TOR: Faria (Vignjevic) 7
TOR: Budalic (Aristodemo) 24
TOR: Budalic (Thomas) 37
TOR: Aristodemo 42
TOR: Thomas 53
TOR: Serioux (Penalillo) 69

CALGARY -- The Toronto Lynx (8-10-3, 38 points) set team records for most goals scored in a match with six , most goals scored in a half with four, and largest margin of victory with a six goal differential as the Ontario side rolled into a playoff position with a 6-0 win over the Calgary Storm (2-17-3, 12 points).

Niki Budalic scored twice, while Elvis Thomas and Robbie Aristodemo each chipped in with one goal and one assist. Shawn Faria and Adrian Serioux also scored for Toronto. For Faria, Aristodemo and Serioux, their goals were their first of the season with Faria’s being his first ever A-League strike. Midfielder Julio Penalillo also recorded his first ever A-League point when he assisted on the Lynx’ sixth and final marker.

With a pair of goals Budalic now has 12 on the season and moves into a first place tie with Fadi Afash of Portland and Brian Ching of Seattle for first place in markers this season. The forward is now only two strikes away from breaking Francisco Dos Santos team record of most goals in a season. Dos Santos had 13 for the Lynx in 1999.

With the four points for the win and an extra bonus point for scoring three or more goals in the game, the Lynx have overtaken the Charlotte Eagles (7-12-2, 34 points) for the sixth and final playoff spot in the Eastern Conference. Toronto now leads Charlotte by four points or the equivalent of one victory. Both clubs have seven games remaining with each squad playing three home and four away matches.

The Lynx have now won four of their past five matches will continue their west coast road trip tomorrow evening as they travel to Seattle to face the top team in the A-League. Kick-off is 10:00 p.m. EST. The Sounders have won eight in a row and are a dominating 18-2-0 this season. Seattle has also been perfect at home in 2002 with an 8-0-0 mark.





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Lynx PR: Lynx Storm into Playoff Posistion

by Jarrek

Toronto Lynx Game Report

Brought To You By Brava Lakeport Brewery



LYNX STORM INTO PLAYOFF POSITION

TORONTO SETS TEAM RECORD FOR MOST

GOALS SCORED IN A MATCH





Date: Tuesday July 30, 2002

Venue: Foothills Athletic Park (Calgary)

Kick-off: 8:30 p.m. EST

Attendance: 1,012

Final Score: 1 2 F

Toronto 4 2 6

Calgary 0 0 0



Game Summary: The Toronto Lynx (8-10-3, 38 points) set team records for most goals scored in a match with six , most goals scored in a half with four, and largest margin of victory with a six goal differential as the Ontario side rolled into a playoff position with a 6-0 win over the Calgary Storm (2-17-3, 12 points).

Niki Budalic scored twice, while Elvis Thomas and Robbie Aristodemo each chipped in with one goal and one assist. Shawn Faria and Adrian Serioux also scored for Toronto. For Faria, Aristodemo and Serioux, their goals were their first of the season with Faria’s being his first ever A-League strike. Midfielder Julio Penalillo also recorded his first ever A-League point when he assisted on the Lynx’ sixth and final marker.

With a pair of goals Budalic now has 12 on the season and moves into a first place tie with Fadi Afash of Portland and Brian Ching of Seattle for first place in markers this season. The forward is now only two strikes away from breaking Francisco Dos Santos team record of most goals in a season. Dos Santos had 13 for the Lynx in 1999.

With the four points for the win and an extra bonus point for scoring three or more goals in the game, the Lynx have overtaken the Charlotte Eagles (7-12-2, 34 points) for the sixth and final playoff spot in the Eastern Conference. Toronto now leads Charlotte by four points or the equivalent of one victory. Both clubs have seven games remaining with each squad playing three home and four away matches.

The Lynx have now won four of their past five matches will continue their west coast road trip tomorrow evening as they travel to Seattle to face the top team in the A-League. Kick-off is 10:00 p.m. EST. The Sounders have won eight in a row and are a dominating 18-2-0 this season. Seattle has also been perfect at home in 2002 with an 8-0-0 mark.

Scoring Summary

First Half

1. TOR: Faria 1 (Vignjevic) 7th Minute

2. TOR: Budalic 11 (Aristodemo) 24th Minute

3. TOR: Budalic 12 (Thomas) 37th Minute

4. TOR: Aristodemo 1 (Unassisted) 47th Minute

Second Half

5. TOR: Thomas 3 (Unassisted) 53rd Minute

6. TOR: Serioux 1 (Penalillo) 69th Minute

Full Time



Line ups

Toronto: (GK) Theo Zagar (James Kryger 72), (D) Mauricio Vincello, (D) Joe Mattacchione, (D) Milan Kojic (Matt Rosenfeld 59), (M) David Diplacido, (M) Robbie Aristodemo (Julio Penalillo 59), (M) Nikki Vignjevic (Brian Ashton 54), (M) Shawn Faria, (M) Adrian Serioux, (F) Elvis Thomas, (F) Niki Budalic (Antonin Plachy 63)

Calgary: (GK) James Glasnovic, (D) Martin Dugas, (D) Arigelo Seatrio, (D) William DeSilva, (D) Allan Hanagan, (M) C.J. Pesznecker (Peter Heidler 45), (M) Conrad Chafa (Nikolas Ledgerwood 45), (M) Chris Lemaire, (M) Nick Zuniga (Hilaire Camden 45), (F) Kurt Bosch, (F) Brett Bachelu



Shots 1 2 F

Toronto 7 3 10

Calgary 3 4 7



Saves 1 2 F

Toronto 2 2 4

Calgary 1 1 2



Goaltenders

Toronto: Zagar (W, 8-10-3) 72 minutes played

Kryger 18 minutes played

Calgary: Glasnovic (L, 1-1-1)



Corner Kicks 1 2 F

Toronto 1 1 2

Calgary 1 0 1



Fouls 1 2 F

Toronto 10 8 18

Calgary 10 8 18



Cautions

Toronto: None


Calgary: Pesznecker, Dugas



Ejections

Toronto: None

Calgary: None



Man of the Match: Niki Budalic (Toronto) -- 2 goals



The Toronto Lynx next game is on the road against the Seattle Sounders on Wednesday, July 31 at 10:00 p.m. EST.



Toronto Lynx Media Relations Contact: Eric Michalko (416) 251-4625

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A bit off on the Calgary Lineup.

by Ed

Glasnovic was not in net.
Peter Heidler went back to Germany a few days after TN was axed.
Ledgerwood did come in 2nd half for Chala and looked good coming forward.





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Who was in net for the Storm?

by Jarrek

Some young Irish lad I hear? Tell us Ed, what exactly went wrong. Attendance wasn't too impressive either.

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Well

by Ed

The goal keeper whose name escapes me was not exactly a pillar behind the D, but, to be fair, had no help and was only embarassing on the chip by Elvis in the 2nd half.
The D were beaten soundly by the speed of the Lynx with a couple of goals coming with wingers leaving their markers in the dust and laying it across goal for a tap in.
The midfield couldn't challenge the Lynx and Bachelu was alone up front with Bosch playing behind him and they just didn't connect. Toronto D always got back in numbers to smother any 1 or 2 man effort by the Storm up front. The lack of depth is a big issue now for the Storm.

Lineup:
GK - Irish lad, not to be confused with Hirschfeld or Zarzycki.
DEF - Dugas, Sestitio, DeSilva, Gillespie.
MID - Pesznecker, Auvigne, Chala, Bosch.
FOR - Zuniga, Bachelu.

Ledgerwood came on for Chala start 2nd half.
Zuniga was replaced by Kamden.
Pesznecker by Wheeldon I believe.


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Quite Honestly ...

by Jarrek

I don't know if the firing of Neindorf served the team a good purpose... Hopefully there will be some positive news for the team sometime in the near future.

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hard to figure

by Jason

This late season airlift is a bit confusing. Dugas has been a revelation out there, but why bring him in now instead of in May? They're out of the playoffs. To me, this was a positive sign that they maybe are trying to build for next year.

Then we've got the arrival of Flanagan, who is only 21 but stuck in semi-pro English football and doesn't appear to be much of a prospect. Why didn't they bring in John Hawreliak who played in the first game of the year and started for the PDL club all season? That would fit the development model much better.

Wheeldon Jr. is another English semi-pro player, and apparently they're bringing in another English player. For a team that had no money earlier to bring in guys, now they're flying guys over the pond that do not appear to have much of a pedigree. If I was spending the cash, I'd rather have that money allocated to get a couple of good North Americans a month or so ago.

Jason


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Yeah, nice of them to give TN that option early on.........

by Jack

its all really confusing isn't. Early in the season when they had a chance to right the ship TN wasn't given that chance. The one effective player he brought in from Germany is let go after he is.

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Right on Jason

by RC

All the newcomers did not look good last night.
Save our budget $ for North Americans not Europeans who will have a tough time fitting in.

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Europeans

by Jason

I don't mind one bit where a player is from, but if you're going to go through the expense and effort of bringing in somebody from outside North America, you'd think you would want to get somebody who should make a definate impact on the club. If you're bringing in average players bring guys from Canada for financial and developmental considerations.

I'm not sure why they are bringing in guys like this to finish the season. They won't lift the team into the playoffs. I don't get the impression that the new imports are considered hot prospects that the Storm are going to develop and sell in a couple of years.

Jason


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The Calgary Goalie

by J

was absolute crap. The Toronto guy scored from way out on the wing. I think it was ment to be a cross but dropped into the net. Calgary's goalie wasn't even close. He looks no taller than 5'11" and I don't think he made a save all game. After the 5th goal the crowd was cheering for Jamie to go in. Why in the hell would we pay for a player to come over from Ireland when the Storms U-16 goalie could have done better. Oh yeah the Lynx had a questionable 7th goal called back. Calgary played so bad tonight that Toronto subbed in every player on the bench including their backup goalkeeper, Calgary should have done the same.

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Absolute crap attendance.

by Krammerhead

Only PDL next season?

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The game started at 6:30 and it is damn near impossible to

by Anonymous

get from work to the stadium. Heck, even the Stamps start after 7. If there were lights, I am certain the game would be moved later and more fans (like me) could attend.

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I agree. What we need though is..

by RC

to tell the cannons baseball fans (4500) last night to come over and watch a team worse off than the cannons.
We would love to have those 4500 fans fill Foothills for our Storm games.
It was a shame hearing the cheers and a near full stadium staring at us next door.

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It could be alot worse (nm)

by Winnipeg Fury


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I'm actually suprised.............

by Jack

Its that high given the circumstances. Media coverage is pretty much drying up, while there has been pretty non-existant advertising this year. Concessions also sinking to nothing.

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Kind of like the Lynx ...

by Jarrek

The Lynx are more less heading the same way in terms of attendance, concessions, etc. But incredibly the media coverage is intensifying.

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We have concessions? Where. haha

by RC

I saw 1 long table and it had everything piled on it it seemed.
Pathetic.


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A bad result for Canadian soccer (nm)

by Mike D

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So...Mike are you saying ...

by Trillium

The bad result for Canadian Soccer because it looks like the Storm, tanked for the Lynx to get the Lynx into a playoff spot ( or at least contention ).

Maximum points earned to overtake Charlotte...mmm lets see ...yup a mere $2000 in small bills puts a horrible over home goalie in net.

Yeah..you are right, the real stench from this one might float south...and cause the A league to look at Calgary as a franchise to be dumped next season...or is it already and we just dont know it yet ?



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Actually...

by Mike D

...I just meant it was a blow to the Calgary organization's hopes of surviving in the A-League.

Not that I'd be so naive as to completely rule out something underhanded...

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It doesn't help much when......

by Gian-luca

Storm players don't recognize any of their teammates, due to change in player personnel. Mind you, they did beat Indiana 3-0 with the same personnel problems - but Zarzycki, a good old Canadian boy, was in goal for that one.

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Trillium's gone off the deep end

by Ed

and joined the immortal Ziggy in the ever-growing pod of Conspiracy Theory borgs.
The team been running on adrenaline for a while, getting surprisingly solid performances out of kids who've never played at the A-League level, like Bachelu and Robinson. The game last night was much less thrown by the Storm than snatched and run away with by the Lynx.


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FAO Gianluca...

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do you think Trilliums post could qualify as slander? Personally if I was intimately involved with either organization Id be downright insulted by the claims hes made, and this is the kinda thing that can damage a company...

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Jekyll/Hyde

by CalgaryMJ

Truly depressing given that Sunday against Indiana the Storm played their best match of the season, full of pep and fire. Tuesday night we get a listless team that doesn't look like they're all that interested. Huge body blow to the team in regards to generating interest from the fans/media and keeping the team for next year.

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What's the Lynx-Storm score?

by JayWay

nt

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The McKenna Dilemma

by Gian-luca

A few of us on this board were discussing this on bigsoccer.com but as we haven't really found a solution I thought I should bring the discussion here, its more natural home.

So just where do we play McKenna from now on? We've used him everywhere but goal for the national team. I'm not really comfortable with him being a permanent striker for Canada when he rarely plays that role for his club side. Besides, if he plays at the back he can still come up for where he should be very dangerous - on set pieces. Our midfield I feel is already overcrowded with possibilities & the situation should be even worse by the time WCQ begins when the likes of Klukowski & Dunfield start challenging for spots as we expect them to do, so I don't think we need to see a repeat of McKenna there.

The back line is the logical choice, but if we play only 3 at the back there are questions on whether De Vos, Menezes & McKenna as a threesome would have enough speed. They play 4-4-2 it might work, if one of Hastings, Pozniak, Bent or Imhof were dropped back to man mark a speedy opposition striker. But it still leaves a question mark on what to do with a 3-5-2 system - unless of course he takes the starting spot of either De Vos or Menezes.

With the development of Julian De Guzman at the Bundesliga level its obvious we should try to fit both him & Stalteri on the field at the same time (I mean, when was the last time we had two Bundesliga players to utilize?). They both can't sit behind the two front runners though. If they both play in midfield (with the likes De Rosario, Radzinski, Xausa, Pesch up front) & with Brennan & Nsaliwa on the wings, it would leave Imhof or Bent available as a holding midfielder or 4th defender (I guess the same could be said of Hastings & Pozniak). That leaves out a bunch of players who could fill in in the event of injury or card accumulation during a lengthy WCQualifying campaign.

The main concern we appear to have depth-wise is up front & in net. There appears to be a lot riding on our two EPL players, and while nobody right now can replace the pure striking ability of Radzinski, at least there should be some options to choose from
come 2004, even if some of those options are young. Stalteri or De Guzman could be moved up front if need be - either way with both in the line-up it gives us more offensive options on the field than just one striker/target man, which is the system we relied to our demise in 2002 qualifying.

Of course, a reason why Lars got so many trials in England was his performance for Canada - so if Lars does get injured it could pave the way for another young keeper to get noticed & play in Europe (assuming that its not one of our younger keepers who are already playing in Europe.)


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McKenna

by Tyler

I really don't think that there's much of an issue at hand. McKenna must play defense for us.

The 4-4-2 is better than the 3-5-2 in my opinion. This isn't a slag or the latter, it's just that we've achieved recent results with the 4-4-2. However, I'd like to see a variation. How about we play a 3-1-4-2

Hirschfeld/Thunder Dan/Franks

McKenna De Vos Hastings
Menezes

Nsaliwa Imhof Stalteri Brennan

De Rosario Radzinski



Hastings is bound to improve now that's he's out of Scotland's lower divisions. He'd better, too. He can't live off that one goal forever. Though at the same time, if he does improve his game (distribution!) then I would have no problem with him holding down the LB spot.

Imhof always seems to impress with Stalteri. Nsaliwa and Brennan have earned spots down the flanks.

Subs:
Fenwick?
Pozkiak?
Titus?
Fletcher
De Guzman
Xausa
Bent
Peschisolido
Klukowski?
Belotte?

Too many possibilities to list if this roster has to play tomorrow. It's nci having some depth isn't it : )


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PS: GL can i get a Can/Swiss tape for the next Lynx game?

by Tyler

And that last sentence should read "It's nice having some depth ... "

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Next game as in August 18th or.....

by Gian-luca

next game as in Scallywags this Friday to see Lynx-Whitecaps on TV? Due to rennovations going on at my home I'm not able to make any copies this week for anyone (my vcr's are packed away until Monday) but I could do it for the next live game.

PS Free Kick, the above message includes you. It will have to wait until the 18th before I can get you your copy, for the same reasons. Sorry for the delay.

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August 18 please and thank you ... nm

by Tyler

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Some options...

by Gordon

...3rd Centre Back providing good depth and a challenge to De Vos and Menezes. I hope to see us playing a 4-4-2 with speedier outside backs than De Vos or McKenna and like the Pozniak/Hastings option at Left Back and Imhoff/Bent at Right Back. Also, I have found myself intrigued, from time to time with the notion of Menezes playing a def mid from time to time, and McKenna at Centre back will allow for this if it is in the cards. For example Radzinski not showing for a qualifier or Gold Cup Game

Against the weaker CONCACAF nations (Haiti, Cuba etc) that we might meet earlier in qualifying McKenna can do some front running as he was reasonably effective in this role in the Gold Cup.

Imagine these lineup options:

Lars H.
Bent Menezes De Vos Pozniak
Nsaliwa De Guzman Stalteri Brennan
De Rosario Radzinski

or

Lars H.
Bent De Vos McKenna Pozniak
Nsaliwa De Guzman Menezes Brennan
De Rosario Stalteri

or Against Cuba

Lars H.
Bent Menezes De Vos Pozniak
Nsaliwa De Guzman Stalteri Brennan
McKenna Radzinski



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2006 Versatility and Depth

by Gordon

GK - Lars, Thunder Dan, Kenny S.
L/B - Pozniak, Hastings
R/B - Bent, Imhoff
C/B - De Vos, Menezes, McKenna, Klukowski
R/M - Nsaliwa,
L/M - Brennan, Nash
C/M - De Guzman, Stalteri, Dunfield,
Str- Radzinski, De Rosario, Pesch, Belotte.

Leaves a backup right mid and central mid open. Almost all of the Backs can play in the midfield and a couple of the midfielders can play in the back as well. Stalteri for sure can play forward if need be. Thoughts on who the two midfielders should be? Any ommissions? What do do with DX?

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Versatility& Depth good start but need Quality too

by Dave Carmichael

if Canada is going to get anywhere in World Cup qualifying.

The next big step after improving versatility and depth is to develop more players who can make an impact at international level and not just fill out the numbers.

Right now Canada has a decent core of players that can hack it against top level teams without being too far in over their heads. Menezes, Imhof, Brennan, Stalteri, Radzinski, DeRosario, Hirschfeld, and deVos,and McKenna on defence as long as they have speedy support. Nsaliwa and deGuzman are on their way as well with a bit more experience as regulars at club level.

Jazic and Aguiar are two others that fit this category but don't get picked and/or don't show up for the national team.

As for 2006, John Sulentic might be a possible right midfield backup depending on how well he does in Europe and for centre midfield possibly Rob Arristodemo.

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McKenna: right fullback in a 4-4-2

by Mike D

Holger hasn't used the 3-5-2 formation since the Confederations Cup (or possibly the Malta friendly, which I haven't seen) so I think it's safe to assume he'll stick with it in light of our strong performances in the Gold Cup.

Right now Carl Fletcher has the right back position locked down, but he's getting up there in age. Since he seems to keep himself in excellent physical condition, I can see Fletcher still being in the side for next year's Gold Cup but I can't see him being in the picture too far beyond that. Mark Rogers replaced Fletcher when Fletcher missed a couple of Gold Cup matches, but I think that was only because McKenna was playing up front. I think McKenna will bump Rogers when Fletcher is out of the picture.

McKenna proved that he can play right fullback with his decent performance at right wingback at the Confederations Cup. The fullback is a more defensive role, which is more suited to McKenna anyway, and his performance at right wingback showed that he's up to the offensive aspect of the fullback position.

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Clarification

by Mike D

In the first paragraph I meant "...it's safe to assume he'll stick with the 4-4-2..."

Gotta remember to proof read I guess

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McKenna Thoughts

by David C.

For one, I still believe that Holger will continue to use the 3-5-2 formation as our base alignment, only reverting to a 4-4-2 set for special situations.

Currently, we have four first-choice defenders - DeVos, Menezes, Fletcher and McKenna. Kevin should (and probably will) continue as a defender. With Menezes playing in China, he should get plenty of game time. If all four show up, Kevin is probably ready to push Fletcher for the right-back spot.

Hastings is probably our 5th defender and moves in as a left wing-back when we play a 4-4-2. otherwise, he, Clarke, Pozniak, Rogers and others are depth options at the moment. All should see some time but the top four still remain first choice for an important game.

Up front, the never-ending Radzinski possibility and the continued development of Xausa, DeRosario and DeGuzman give Holger plenty of options beyond Pesch and Corazzin. Kevin will probably only move up in emergency situations.

Just some thoughts.

- David C.

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It's too early

by matthew

I think we're too far away to start speculating on our best team. With some luck and some improvement our best team once qualifying starts is not our best team today.

We have an awful lot of options in formation, players and tactics and I am very conflicted when thinking about whether we should try to adapt our players and positioning to cater to our opponents or if we should strive for continuinity.

I agree that McKenna could be very valuable as a target man against lesser TFC sides. It's simple, but can often be the most effective way to break down a defence. See the home and home v Cuba.

I like DeVos-Menezes-McKenna, but that doesn't leave much pace... If we go back four where does Menezes go? Are we feeling brave enough to say that we can play Nsaliwa-Imhof-Stalteri-Brennan in the mf?

Do we ship Tony to left back? Who's our right back? Bent? Imhof?

If we're feeling defensive we could go with

Bent-McKenna-DeVos-Hastings
Imhof-Menezes-Brennan
Stalteri
Radzinski-DeRosario

Or we could almost just as easily come out with an ultra-offensive

Imhof-McKenna-DeVos-Menezes
Nsaliwa-Stalteri-Brennan
DeGuzman
Radinski-DeRosario

Which is the better team? I think it depends entirely on the situation. I would like to see us strive to attack, but I would like us not to lose 4-0 all the time either.

The big question to me is can we go from 3-5-2 to 4-4-2 and play a different backline and midfield every time out or should we try to settle on some sort best-11 before qualifying? Holger seems to form opinions and stick to them so I'm not expecting too much rampant experimenting once things get important.

We have depth, time will tell if we have enough quality.

cheers,
matthew

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Apparently Craig Forrest was interviewed on Toronto radio today

by Gian-luca

On the FAN590 morning show by Marsden & Landry. I didn't hear the interview myself, nor did I know it was on. According to my father it was actually quite a good interview (somewhat surprising that it was on, given that Pat Marsden hasn't been traditionally known as a soccer afficionado). Perhaps regular callers to the FAN on this board might try to voice their approval for interviews like this so that they are encouraged to do more of them with other National team members.

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Heard the Interview

by Ivan

It was actually on the Monday morning drive into work. It was very good. Marsden and Landry obviously know very little about soccer, but did not pretend to, so it went off very well. Both were very respectful toward Craig and his achievements for Canada and abroad.

Craig talked about high points in his career (winning the first division title with Ipswich, and every time he put on the CANADA shirt in an international.) He spoke on helping to provide opportunities for young players to go to Europe or develop them in a league here. Made reference to developing players to play for Canada, unlike the Hargreaves situation. (Paraphrasing here for the most part, cannot remember his exact words.

Said he hopes to return to Canada and get into coaching or broadcasting.

Signed off by thanking all Canadian soccer fans for their support over the years. Class act, we will miss him.

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Marco Reda Soap Opera at Sogndal

by L.T.

I did a little digging into that Norewegian media request I got (see above)...

http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/sport/eliteserien/article.jhtml?articleID=372337

From my limited knowledge of Norwegian, apparently another club filed a protest against Sogndal using Marco as a EU player. I guess they couldn't understand how a Canadian can have an Italian Passport.

It appears as though the matter was settled...

BTW, this was may response to the Norwegian media guy:

------------------------
Hello,

It is not uncommon for Canadians to play in Europe with European passports.
Many of our top players are 1st generation Canadians, which means their
parents were born out of the country, mostly in Europe.

For example Canadian International Carlo Corrazin plays for Oldham in the
English 2nd Division on a European passport.

I believe that Marco's parents were born in Italy which make him eligible
for an Italian passport. However since he was born in Canada, he is
eligible to play for Canada.

The 'Voyageurs' Canadian Supporters Website has information on the
eligibility rules and on the players that have been 'capped' for Canada.
According to this site, Marco Reda has not played a full international for
Canada.
http://www.canadian-soccer.com/canadians_caps-A.html

Regards,
Lino Terra
editor@ontariosoccerweb.com




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Lino, I have an amazing Norwegian Website

by Luis Rancagua

Lino, in order to keep track of game reports to the minute in the Norwegian Football league, I will highly recommend Norway's TV2 Football News: http://www.tv2.no/sporten/fotball/tippeligaen/

Once there, keep your eyes open on a TAB called "Kampene," which means in English: Game-Report. This tab will take you immediately to all game reports in the Norwegian league. You could find "Kampene" right at the top-center of the Website screen, all coloured in blue. This is where I get all my info on Marco Reda.

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Blame Argentine-Italians

by steved

Just about every Argentine who wants to play in Europe miraculously uncovers an Italian grandparent. Serie A has had many scandals related to this.

Good luck to Reda.

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Voyageurs Cup Donations page updated ...

by Jarrek

(Maybe this page should be on the official site of the Voyageurs Cup?)

http://www.canadian-soccer.com/voyageurscup.html



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Yeah, I'll put it on the Cup site...

by DJT

...eventually. For now I link to your page. Thanks for all the updates over the last few weeks.

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I see my donation is not acknowleged yet...

by London Ont. soccer fan

...I kicked in $40 in cash in a white envelope that had no return address but did have `from LOSF` on the top right hand corner. It was sent in late June to Dwayne Cole.

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Calgary Herald: Kamden goes from "Middle" to Bottom

by Winnipeg Fury

Kamden goes from 'middle' to bottom
 
Murray Rauw
Calgary Herald


Tuesday, July 30, 2002
ADVERTISEMENT

It has become obvious to Hilaire Kamden that the way of life in Cameroon remains a mystery to most Albertans but he welcomes the chance to be an ambassador.

"You are free to ask me any questions about Cameroon that you want," says the 20-year-old Kamden, eager to relate the events that led to his joining the Calgary Storm.

He will play his second game for the Storm tonight (6:30 p.m.) when the Toronto Lynx (7-10-3) visit Foothills Athletic Park.

"Cameroon is in the west of Africa, close to Nigeria and Guinea," said Kamden. "It is a tropical country, we have two seasons, the rainy season and the dry season. We have a lot of animals, that's why our national soccer team is called Indomitable Lions. In Cameroon, we never have war.

"We're not too rich but we're not too poor. We're in the middle."

Soccer always has been a passion in Cameroon, but the world took notice in 1990 when the Indomitable Lions became the first African nation to reach the World Cup quarter-finals when they beat Colombia in extra time.

Cameroon won the gold medal at the 2000 Summer Olympics, but it had troubles at the recently completed World Cup and lost the continent's bragging rights to Senegal.

Kamden hails from the port city Douala, where his mother is a teacher and his father a pharmacist and an avid soccer player and fan. The kid grew up in this soccer environment and was captain of the national U-19 team. He received offers to turn professional in Europe but his father nixed the idea. He insisted his son put school first.

"He said if you don't go to school, I won't let you play soccer," recalled Kamden.

He is a second-year forestry student at the University of Alberta where he has played at the CIAU level with the Golden Bears and eventually received clearance to play with the Storm prospects.

"I lost a lot of games because I had to wait for my visa," said Kamden. "That angered me because I wanted to play. I love soccer."

He finally made it Saturday night after travel arrangements for two earlier trips to Calgary fell through. He entered the game against the Indiana Blast late in the first half, replacing injured C.J. Peszneker.

Kamden scored a goal and added an assist in his A-League debut. And he can make one rare boast -- he is undefeated in A-League play. As a team, the Storm is 2-16-3.

Calgary plans to have two European-experienced newcomers available tonight. Thomas Wheeldon Jr., the son of coach Tommy Wheeldon, and keeper Allan Flanigan are expected to make their debuts. Keeper Wojtek Zarzycki has finished his six-game stint with the Storm and has returned to the Hamilton Thunder.

© Copyright  2002 Calgary Herald



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It's "KAMDEM", damn media can't get anything right!! {nm}

by Stu

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Question for you Ultras

by Ed

I'm prepping my 'mini-me's for tonight's game and need an answer.
Is Lynx singular or plural?
Should they go with 'Lynx Stinks' or 'Lynx Stink'?
I foresee a second win on the trot for the Storm, derailing the Lynx from their playoff run, and valuable Voyageurs Cup points to boot.
Thank you in advance.


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Remember now.......

by Gian-luca

There are Montreal Ultras as well, so you have to be specific. I bet Daniel & Francois thought that post was intended for them.



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Re

by Ed

Ooops. Impact banter coming in 3 weeks or so.
All I really have on tap are some old North Atlantic Squadron verses that would be TOTALLY inappropriate for my mini-me's to hear.
Tape has been received, copied and ready for handover to Calgary based supporters of our nats. Many thanks.

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And it's Ultras Montreal ... not Montreal Ultras ... nm

by Jarrek


:D

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Merci Jarrek...nm

by François

asdfsa

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That's the name of the supporters group......

by Gian-luca

but surely they say "I'm a Montreal Ultra" rather than "I"m an Ultra Montreal"? So technically I was correct in my usage.

Or maybe they do say "I'm an Ultra Montreal", who knows?

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Actually you were ...

by Jarrek

WRONG! I'm not sure, but Daniel always keeps on nagging me that it's Ultras Montreal and not Montreal Ultras ...

Remember the French say everything backwards ... Impact Montreal, Lynx de Toronto ... etc ...

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yes we are ultras Montréal...nm

by François

asdfsa

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I'm not convinced you understood me

by Gian-luca

I know what the name of the supporters group is, but my point was that I wasn't referring to them by their name. And I wasn't speaking French at the time.



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Well in any case you were ...

by Jarrek

WRONG!

Sorry I must cherish this moment.

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I give up! :)

by Gian-luca

Does anyone else want to make an attempt at explaining why I was right?

When I'm wrong about something I'll let you know.



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Explain ...

by Jarrek

You said: but surely they say "I'm a Montreal Ultra" rather than "I"m an Ultra Montreal"? So technically I was correct in my usage.

When in fact they don't say "I'm a Montreal Ultra" ...

Daniel said that they say:

French: Je suis un Ultra Montréal.
English: I'm an [french] Ultra Montréal (+ explanation).

Anyways, this is pointless, just admit to your mistake



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Actually, GL is right because Daniel is wrong...and vice versa...sort of...

by Marc P

Well Daniel isn't wrong because they can call themselves what they want. But in a sense he is because when he says in English "I'm an Ultra Montreal" he's just not translating the Ultra Montreal into Montreal Ultra.

For example, in French I would say "Jarrek est un bozo Canadien" whereas in English I would say "Jarrek is a Canadian bozo." See what I mean?

So technically GL is correct, because he was conjugating from English into French. But he's wrong in another sense because Daniel and his gang have decided not to conjugate and leave the "Ultra Montreal" in French. It all depends on your preference.

To put it in perspective, would Tdot Ultras say "Je suis un Toronto Ultra" (unconjugated) or, "Je suis Ultra Toronto" (conjugated)? Daniel does the former and I can see why.

(All this Ultras is confusing!)

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So what is the ...

by Jarrek

Correct way to say it?

Are you saying there is two ways of saying it?



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The correct way to say it is......(drum roll please)

by Krammerhead

In whatever language you prefer.

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Sorta

by Marc P

I'm not really sure which is correct or not!

I guess I'd say the first one (the GL way) because it is gramatically correct. "Je suis in Ultra Mtl - I am a Mtl Ultra" because it is conjugated.

But then again the second way sounds a bit better because thinking of someone saying "Je suis un Ultra Toronto" instead of "Je suis un Toronto Ultra" just sounds funny because we're used to it the other way, just like "Mtl Ultra" must sound funny to Daniel and his boys.

But this could all go out the window ***IF*** you don't conjugate the name because it is a proper name. For example Gian-Luca wouldn't introduce himself as Jean-Luc. No?

But on the other hand (this is getting really pathetic) we conjugate and anglicize city names. For example London, England is Londres in French, while Athens is Athnoi (I think) in Greece...you get the idea...so this is another whole bag of bananas...

And I'm going to stop now because this has gone on too far like you said before Jarrek.

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The group ...

by Jarrek

calls itself the Montreal Ultras ... therefore it's gramatically incorrect to say "I'm" in front of the group name ...

So a sentence like this would have to be used: I belong to the Ultras Montreal ...

But really ... Who cares

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Aha! Wrong again!

by Daniel

Actually, since "Ultra Montréal" is our name, it doesn't get translated ie Canadiens don't become Canadians. Montréal is part of our name and not the city name to denounce our origin (That would be Ultra de Montréal).

So if you wanted to say (Montreal ultras), you'd need to use the common "ultras" as opposed to the proper "Ultras".

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Just for arguments sake......

by Gian-luca

and completed unrelated to my original point & post, I have noticed on Radio-Canada broadcasts the Leafs referred to as "Le Maple Leafs du Toronto" (sorry if the spelling is off) - aren't they translating a name from English to French? And if so, why can't Marc do the same?



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Arguing...

by Daniel

Well, on R-C broadcasts (and anything in French), the teams are referred to as: le/la/les/l'[team name] from [city, state or region].

So, it would be les Maple Leafs de Toronto.

Toronto is not part of their name, but rather their city.

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Unfortunately......

by Gian-luca

Toronto is part of the Leafs name - as much as Montreal is part of Les Ultras Montreal.

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I'm not wrong. That's what I said in my last sentence.

by Marc P

And in my other post.

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oops..premature post

by Marc P

That's what I said in the last sentence and expanded on in the other post. And plus all the rules are flimsy, I've heard the Hockey teams names translated on the French channel when I watch the Canadiens on the TV.

I see your point, but I think I have it covered. And I'm pretty sure GL meant generic ultras anyway and this is a really lame ass thread (partially my fault!)



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But your discussing all this in english, not french

by sea

therefore any french differences in this are wrong, plain and simple

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Once and for all:

by Daniel

We say:

French: Je suis un Ultra Montréal.
English: I'm an [french] Ultra Montréal (+ explanation).

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That's great, but........

by Gian-luca

I didn't have the word "the" before Montreal Ultras in my original post on purpose - ie. "Remember now there are Montreal Ultras (as well as Toronto ones)". ie. I was using Ultras as a generic term, since there is more than one type of Ultra in Canada now. If I was referring to the actual supporters group Ultras Montreal, I would have used "the" before the name "Ultras Montreal".


So there Jarrek.

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I know im not the most credible guy

by

But i completly understand you GL.....

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Here's your solution G-L

by DJT

You are right as far as I'm concerned because you're not contradicting anything that Daniel is saying. However, I think you made a mistake that's confusing the issue: you should have used a lower-case "u" and said "Remember now there are Montreal ultras (as well as Toronto ones)". As you say, you are using "ultras" as a generic term, so the "u" shouldn't be capitalized.

I think the term "ultras" is now accepted as a description of any hardcore soccer follower groups who stand and sing at matches, etc., etc. So if another such group formed in Toronto (for whatever stupid reason) and called themselves "Toronto's Hardcore We're-Better-Than-Those-Other-Guys Soccer Supporters" then there would be two ultras groups in Toronto, but only one Ultras group.

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By George, you've got it!!

by Gian-luca

Give the man a prize! He figured it out!

And he successfully corrected me as well - unlike Jarrek who only thinks he did.

I think its time the CSA scheduled another friendly so that we have other things to talk about.

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daniel why you guys have to choes ULTRA

by behrouz

could n't you come up with some sort of name ,maybe something more french,

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Ultra is Latin! It's closer to French then English

by Daniel

There are many more "Ultras" in Italy and in France then in England.

Ultras is a name that can work in both languages and that isn't "quétaine" (childish).

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Aw c'mon.

by Krammerhead

Admit it, it's because of a lack of originality!

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Well you might say the TO Ultras were also lacking originality...

by Daniel

Naming themselves after [whichever] Ultras.

The point is it was bilingual, simple, "traditionnal" and not too "extreme" or juvenile.

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The irony in that statement...

by

is that Ultras translated is 'extremists'

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Bah, what I meant by Extreme

by Daniel

Is something like the Maniax or the Kraze, etc.

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Oh you mean XTREME ;) (NT)

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nt

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Exactly.

by Krammerhead

Hey you aren't saying a name such as Southsiders is juvenile? (The people are, I don't think the name is).

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Southsider ain't, but what would we be called? Try it! (nm)

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Dunno

by Krammerhead

Impacted colons?

(joke, not to be taken seriously). Heh.

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so if its Latin then why

by sea

is the latin name NOVA SCOTIA translated to french officially, even thou its already in a romance language, yet only unofficially in english is it called NEW SCOTLAND

It should be Nova Scotia in either language and not Nouvelle Ecosse or what ever they butchered it to.



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No f.uckin clue (nm)

by Daniel



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I distinctly remember paying for the 2 minute argument . . .

by MCM

and this is only a contradiction!

Cheers.

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Impact is singular...nm

by François



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Storm...

by François

Is it Storm suck or Storm sucks?
Sorry but I was raised in french...

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Judging from the A-League recordbooks ...

by Jarrek

The only team that "stinks" are the Storm! What is it, you've won two games against bottom dwellers

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Hoo Yeah...

by Gordon

...trash talking over the Voyageurs Cup! Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside...Go Storm!

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So are we going to be able to get updates anywhere? (nm)

by DJT

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA * 6

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Yeah

by DJT

And Liverpool 0 Lazio 1.

A doubly-good day for me.

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Oh well...

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tis but a friendly.. I heard the Lazio goal was a bit of a gaffe on Dudek's part, have you happened to see it? Either way, things sounded promising on the part of Liverpool's new signings, so I figure there's more good coming from this than bad

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Didn't see it

by DJT

It might have been on Sky Sports News, but I forgot to check. Like Liverpool, it sounds as though Lazio played well, so there is more to take from that than the result. But with all the subs who really knows.

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CAN WE PLAY YOU ....

by sea

Can we play you
Can we play you
Can we play you every week.....

Can we play you every week



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Canucks in Germany Update

by Ed

In the Bundesliga 1, Werder Bremen finish up their preseason today with a match vs Dutch 1st division side Roda Kerkrade. Paul Stalteri has not appeared as the first half has ended with Roda Kerkrade up 1-0 in Bremen. Werder Bremen open the season next Sunday (11th August) away to newcomers Arminia Bielefeld.
Also in the top flight, Hannover 96 continue their preparation for their opener away to Hamburger SV that same Sunday. They take on Dutch side FC Utrecht this Saturday. Julian de Guzman has impressed so far.
In the Regional League North, Maycoll Canizales and the Werder Bremen Amateurs opened their season on a winning note, beating SC Verl 1-0 at home. No game report as yet. They are back in action this Friday as they are away to Hamburger SV Amateurs in the 2nd game of the season.
Tomorrow, in the Regional League South, Tam Nsaliwa and his 1.FC Saarbrucken side will look to make it two wins on the season as they travel to take on Kickers Offenbach. Busy season already, as they play again on Sunday at home vs VfR Aalen.
Also tomorrow, will be watching for Victor Oppong in the 1.FC Saarbrucken Amateur side as they open their Oberliga Southwest campaign at home vs SC 07 Idar Oberstein. They also play again on the weekend, against SC Halberg Brebach.

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Stalteri on to start the 2nd half.

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Any news on Chris Williams tryout with Werder Bremen?? (nm)

by Luis Rancagua

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Last we heard......

by Gian-luca

Jeremy Shepherd was heading back to Berlin to play with Hertha's U18 squad. Jeremy wasn't called to the current U-20 tournament, perhaps because he's considered too young, but I thought perhaps because he was needed by his club team. Do you know off-hand if his league begins play soon?

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Mad Cap Mac : Welcome back to the board.

by Impact supporter

Good to see you back on this board.

I would like to get your opinion on this CPSL expansion and the supposed PCSL-CPSL merger. Is this going to happen at all? Do you think it would make more sense if the CPSL were to merge with all the other provincial leagues. Even if the CPSL and provincial leagues were to merge into Conferences, would this really make a difference with regards to attendance(right now mostly friends and family of the players)?



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Salut!

by MCM

Hey man.

There isn't the budget for interlocking play, so that's a non-issue. Hopefully the powers that be will arrange for some sort of cooperative marketing, etc, but even a post season cup will be tricky - for example, Vic Utd lose a few key players in mid August that return to US college teams. Never mind the expense. It is the same across the nation.

I think that we could sell 2,000 plus tickets in a heartbeat to a meaningful (ie Cup) match against the Whitecaps.

Also, from the B.C. perspective, you have to remember that, although the Whitecaps and PCSL run over the summer, our club scene here is over the winter. This makes it tough for our provincial champs (Gorge of Victoria for the second year, from which a few of the PCSL 2002 CHAMPIONS VIC UTD (yeah!) came) to peak for the nationals (in St John this year), compared to the ROC (rest of Canada), where you lot are all playing club soccer all summer only. The PCSL is not at the pinnacle of BC soccer (as the CPSL fancies itself for Ont / Que), but is a summer diversion. Don't get me wrong, the calibre is probably higher, because you have a small number of what are basically all-star teams in the PCSL - but the fact remains that many top players give the PCSL a pass, as they take a summer break from the sport.

A merger isn't going to happen. I'd like to see some league directed marketing, some better media coordination, and a better web presence for the PCSL as starting points. Cooperation between the CPSL and PCSL is at least a start. The CPSL are better in this regard, and their web presence should become the minimum standard nationally. As I've also said before, in a perfect world PCSL clubs would all have women's and youth set-ups (the Metro leagues), and have regional bases, and no special interest groups (like the ethnic Khalsa, or the religious Athletes in Action), but simply local clubs dedicated to sport, not some other agenda.

Just renaming leagues wouldn't affect attendances by itself - unless it was accompanied by the things above. Also, the leagues need to move out of Metro Toronto and Vancouver into the communities where people will actually come out and watch. The CPSL draws flies; and while 300 isn't much, it seems only Victoria and Kelowna can get that in the PCSL. Ottawa proved that it can happen in Ontario too - but only where the A-League alternative isn't there.

Cheers.

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Australia bored of Sports domination....

by Moosehead

query whether its individual states should be represented instead:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport3/commonwealthgames2002/hi/features/newsid_2161000/2161399.stm

Low Graphics Tuesday, 30 July, 2002, 13:38 GMT 14:38 UK

Aussies bored of winning


Will Jana Pittman be representing New South Wales in the future?

By Kevin Darling
BBC Sport Online

One of the more predictable aspects of the 2002 Commonwealth Games has been the sight of Australians winning medals with breathtaking regularity.

Such is the nation's dominance of the medals table that one Australian newspaper is complaining that the Games are too easy.


Full medals table
The Daily Telegraph has made the novel suggestion that Aussie athletes should compete for their state of origin rather than their country.

For the rest of us, this begs the question of whether the super-competitive Australians are getting soft, or whether they've become even more arrogant.

According to the paper, the state of New South Wales alone had already bagged 20 medals by the end of Monday.

That total that would put them third in the medals table.

State medal hauls
NSW: 20
Queensland: 14
Victoria: 12

Queensland and Victoria, with 14 and 12 gongs respectively, would currently hold the fourth and fifth spots had they competed separately.

This was before Ian Thorpe had even got his trunks wet.

The Telegraph, Australia's best-selling daily, thinks the Australian team should be broken down into states to give others more of a chance.

The newspaper points to the example of Great Britain, which splits into England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Guernsey and the Isle of Man during the Games.

However, there is a stumbling block to the tabloid's revolutionary idea, namely the constitution of the Commonwealth Games Federation (CGF).

The rulebook stipulates that the Games are open to: "Associations from Commonwealth countries, colonies, and dependent or associated territories of a Commonwealth country."



Ian Thorpe leads Aussie sporting dominance


There is no mention of states of individual nations.

The paper points out that, under article 29, changes to the constitution can be made, providing two-thirds of the CGF's members give it their backing.

Australian team spokesman John Gatfield remains unconvinced by the Daily Telegraph's proposition.

He told Sport Online: "New South Wales might be able to hold their own in the Games, but smaller states like Tasmania and Northern Territories would miss out.

"When we compete as a nation, state rivalries are forgotten," he insisted.

It would certainly seem that the Australian press is using its sporting prowess as an opportunity to patronise, rather than invigorate, the Commonwealth Games also-rans.

Perhaps the paper's next step will be to tout the multi-gold-medal chasing "Thorpedo" as a separate country.



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as i told my aussie friend

by sea

do they play ice hockey at the commonwealth games?

who cares then............

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Reasonably Yours.....

by Mark Bick

..... just a note to inform the footie fans that BC's "World Football Pages" is still going strong....and have come up with a new subscription offer that is very attractive.

You can get 12 issues for $24.12...not bad! They indicate in their most recent issue that they will be providing in-depth coverage of the 2002 W-league championship and the Fifa U-19 "boy can they play" tourney ( you know a set of balls must of come up with that daft,insulting signature.)

Jonathan Himsworth continues to justify his starting position - the guy would be pencilled in on any publication. Graham Anderson of the BC Soccer Referees Association penned an engaging opening column in issue 5, looking forward to his future offerings. This mag is worth the $2 per issue sub rate...but don't just take my word for it.

Issue 5 features a "letter to the editor" from a certain Paul S. Hendren, who claims to be affiliated with Inside Soccer magazine, writes " You have a fine-looking publication with a real UK fanzine feel to it. A little more serious "Feature Writing" will push WFP right over the moon...Fabulous Graphics!"


The magazine still has the devil-may -care feel to it, still running on that intoxicating high of starting an energetic, fun publication. They have gotten their act together on the sub front,apparently facing head on the challenge of longevity ( though featuring a full picture of Alan "sweet" Douglas wouldn't seem to be conducive to a higher circulation.) check it out.

Their mailing address: World Football Pages, 2012 Hamilton St., New Westminister, BC V3M 2P6

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Glad to hear that the Colonel is writing . . .

by Mad Cap Mac

his contribution alone would make this worth reading. Cheers.

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You should be...

by Mark Bick

... doing a little writing for them, help them cover the Island. You were spot on about the Colenall...every column of his is a treat. You always professed an admiration for "When Saturday Comes"....and in your best moments at ISM, you really showed a nice touch. WFP should have a strong appeal for you. Get back behind the keyboard dude.

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Tourney coming up . . .

by MCM

with the lasses, and I will be there. Plus, the PCSL season has just ended, so I'll be submitting. And I'll interview the Gorge players after the nationals this time! Cheers.

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Questions...

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I was wondering how would one order this magazine via on-line or do I need send a cheque to New Westminster, BC, your head office.

Another comment, is have you guys ever thought of joining up with Inside Soccer, and creating a truly Canadian futbol magazine, I think that a national magazine is truly the way to go, compared to provincial, local, magazines in terms of exposure, greater literary audience in Canada who may not have a clear understanding of how the other provinces are performing. With It's called Futbol, based in Ontario, Inside Soccer, based Ontario, we have great representation in Ontario, perhaps if their are local futbol magazines in each of the other provinces they should unite to create one national magazine, I wouldn't mind paying more for a magazine featuring more detail on the happenings of each province and territory.

Sincerely,

Nolberto S.

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The more the better....

by Mark Bick

when it comes to the number of Canuck soccer mags. They each seem to have their own market, not scrambling, fighting each other for the advertising buck.

IMO, ISM was getting a tad stale, predictable. Yah they could get away with calling themselves "Canada's premier soccer mag"...but it would have been more accurate if they called themselves "Canada's only nationally - distributed soccer mag." Orville Reynolds, who use to write for ISM, went out on his own and published ICF, a magazine that in lay-out, graphics and IMO writing , made ISM look by comparison,tired, sloppy.

Well last issue ISM featuring the tag team of Hendren/Fitter, had a little energy, attention to lay-out and editing. I think they did look at ICF and knew that it was possible to publish a decent rag- and that it was time to put out or shut down.

World Football Pages is going after the true fan, people that want some bite, "normal" conversation in their writing. While I would like to see more/basically total focus on Canada eh, it's a home for those starving for an adult appeal to their soccer scribbling. I can't see them coming together...but I believe their is room,a market for all three publications...and more!

World Football Pages doesn't seem to have a website...but they do have an e -mail address...worldfootballpages@telus.net


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Re: The more the better...

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While I agree on some of your comments, I believe that your tarket market for Canadian futbol subscribers is very limited (at present anyways) and by saturating the market with other substitutes your pretty much competing with other Canadian futbol magazines, and at the same time decreasing your revenue over the the long run, which will put you close to red ink or bankruptcy. If it's because of politics that their can never be in-depth truly national magazine, then their is nothing I can suggest that will remedy it. However, if money (particularly greater amount of profits in the long run) is involved or foreseen, I believe all parties will be willing to tolerate each other and collectively bring proposals on the table that will benefit everyone. While I agree that Canadian futbol magazines should be almost entirely Canadian, you have to leave some room for some international articles related to Canadians playing in other overseas leagues, or Canadian teams playing exhibitions or tournaments overseas. Perhaps, if more Canadians are willing to learn the Spanish language we would see more Canadians in Latin America than in Europe. By playing in any division in Latin America, Canadian players could get to the chance to improve their technical skills, since we don't have any qualified coaches to do so, and once they feel they learned sufficiently, they could head back to Canada and play in Europe, but this time they won't be limited in their attacking arsenal, particularly dribbling, playing one on one vs opposition, and knowing when to pass accurately. Okay, I am ranting on and on, but perhaps you can look into the magazine issue, in the future. Good luck with your magazine, and once I'm in Vancouver this September, I'll subscribe personally.

Sincerely,

Nolberto S.

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Re: The more the better...

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While I agree on some of your comments, I believe that your tarket market for Canadian futbol subscribers is very limited (at present anyways) and by saturating the market with other substitutes your pretty much competing with other Canadian futbol magazines, and at the same time decreasing your revenue over the the long run, which will put you close to red ink or bankruptcy. If it's because of politics that their can never be in-depth truly national magazine, then their is nothing I can suggest that will remedy it. However, if money (particularly greater amount of profits in the long run) is involved or foreseen, I believe all parties will be willing to tolerate each other and collectively bring proposals on the table that will benefit everyone. While I agree that Canadian futbol magazines should be almost entirely Canadian, you have to leave some room for some international articles related to Canadians playing in other overseas leagues, or Canadian teams playing exhibitions or tournaments overseas. Perhaps, if more Canadians are willing to learn the Spanish language we would see more Canadians in Latin America than in Europe. By playing in any division in Latin America, Canadian players could get to the chance to improve their technical skills, since we don't have any qualified coaches to do so, and once they feel they learned sufficiently, they could head back to Canada and play in Europe, but this time they won't be limited in their attacking arsenal, particularly dribbling, playing one on one vs opposition, and knowing when to pass accurately. Okay, I am ranting on and on, but perhaps you can look into the magazine issue, in the future. Good luck with your magazine, and once I'm in Vancouver this September, I'll subscribe personally.

Sincerely,

Nolberto S.

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The more voices the better...

by Mark Bick

... one of the best aspects of WFP ...and hopefully soon IT's Called Futbol (Orville Reynolds seems to be doing the bulk of the writing there)...is the addition of new scribes on the Canuck soccer scene -it's a breath of fresh air. This is not to suggest that the old regs at ISM are to be ignored..far from it...but there is a sense of familiarity to the majority of their writing, that many are focused on one interest - infatuated - reporting.

WFP isn't Utopia ...while Alan Douglas has diversified his scribbling occasionally, he still handles the bulk of the Caps/Breakers game reports. Nothing terribly wrong with that/his stuff...but separation of team/reporting feels,looks better. WFP also has copied ISM in their willingness to do features on sponsers...again, I could do without it.

Yet there is a willingness to push the envelope, show humour at WFP. Add some truly decent writers, and you're glad,a bit amazed ,that we have this canuck soccer publication.

Perhaps you're correct Nolberto, that the advertising dollar is a bit tight for the two Ontario publications (and the editor of WFP...who also has a decent touch at the keyboard,Chris J. Vaughn Griffiths...wrote about the difficulty in getting - and appreciation of those that have signed on -advertisers.) That's the battle they'll have to fight.

As far as how deep is the wallet for picking up these canuck footie mags ...the cost of buying every issue of WFP, ICF, ISM for a year is less than buying 8 months of "442." So it's not really a major burden for the crazed canuck fan.

These are commercial publications, perhaps the trio won't be intact down the road. Yet I believe that there is also room for 4-5 canuck soccer fanzines, perhaps regional, circulation in the 100's perhaps, driven to put out something different. We have the potential - I say a need - for more diversity.

Nolberto- and Watford fan- you both seem to suggest that I am associated with World Football Pages. I'm not...just trying to get the word out on this publication.

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Cool-perhaps you could...

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Perhaps you could tell the publisher or editor of World Football Pages in BC to post here once in awhile, for any related articles of Canadian Futbol in BC, or to promote his magazine, since I believe your looking at the "Hard-core" Canadian fans in this site, and possibly re-cruiting new subscribers. I know Ted Godwin, Drew Shaw and even Alan Douglas posts here, and now Lino Terra from Ontario Soccer Web posts here regularly, and once in a blue moon you get Orville Reynolds, Alf de Blasis and Gerry Dobson posting. Maybe since you can't meet each other in person, their should be an initiative in this forum, to help establish an in-depth Canadian futbol magazine that will could help promote the grassroots level more, just look at the Voyageurs Cup initiative taken by most of us, I believe we the fans, will have to push futbol from the depths of unpopularity in Canada and promote the hell out of it, I think it's slowly working at TO Lynx games, where the kids are discovering their is more to a futbol game than just watching like chanting, heckling the opposition, and throwing toilet paper on the field or confetti. Thanks for responding, I'll try to re-subsribe my subsription to Inside Soccer, ICF and now the World Football Pages.

Sincerely,

Nolberto S.

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uNF!

by WatfordFan

Hahah, give us what we all want: the nude centrefold of Alan Douglas!

Seriously though, how about you guys get a website? I realize you're bare bones, so I don't mean something that's updated constantly, just something that would pop up when people do a search for Canadian soccer over the internet, and a site people can link their homepages to.

Good on you all for the mag. My dad's been sending it to me here in Toronto.

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Special Message on the new CPSL Website

by Luis Rancagua

Guys, this seems to be a classy statement from the league.

WELCOME TO THE NEW CPSL.CA
Splash!
We’ve launched – finally.
We have also destroyed our old Web site—blown it to pieces.
That’s important, because with the launch of our new Web site, with its new address, is really the beginning of a new era.

We think the CPSL is on the march.
We are Canada’s only professional soccer league—and we’re proud of that, very proud.
We are proud too, of Canada’s four A-League teams, because like the CPSL, they continue to show a determination to see professional soccer succeed in Canada.

Canada can only make progress in world soccer if we have a good professional soccer structure. That’s the opinion of the experts.

We’ll tell you more about this, starting today. We have reproduced a story now appearing in The Soccer Team, a new soccer magazine being distributed in Canada, the U.S. and elsewhere in the world. It contains CPSL president Vincent Ursini’s views on where pro soccer is going in this country.

We will tell you more about the league and our member clubs. And especially our players. We value our sponsors and will tell you more about who they are and what they do. Beginning this week, you will get our scores same day, or night. The league standings too. Our leading goalscorers will be constantly updated. We will tell you how the games went—who scored, who played well and anything else we feel is of interest.

A few days later, we’ll even show you the highlights—some great goals.
We will keep you updated on schedule changes, our League Cup competition and the road to the playoffs for the Rogers Cup CPSL Championship in October.
That final weekend is being hosted by North York Astros, the North York Soccer Association and the community—we will keep you updated along the way.
We’ll have surprises. And prizes. Some giveaways. We have merchandise. And lot’s more.

We will work hard to earn your support, on and off the field. This Web site is a window to the CPSL. We hope you will follow our league, and become a staunch supporter.
Starting today.

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WayMoreSports.com: This Week in the CPSL

by L.T.

This week in the CPSL
Jul. 30, 2002. 10:06 AM
By Lino Terra - Ontario Soccer Web editor
For waymoresports.com

Durham Flames 3 Vaughan Sun Devils 1: Durham drops the Sun Devils into the Eastern Conference basement with a big win on the road...Shawn Griffiths scores a goal and sets up the winner for the Flames.

St. Catharines Wolves 5 North York Astros 1: Astros follow up their first win of the season with a stinker in St. Catharines...Carlos Arghittu had two for the Wolves, who scored five unanswered goals after North York opened the scoring.

Toronto Croatia 2 St. Catharines Wolves 1: The Wolves' two-game win streak ends as Croatia regains top spot in the Western Conference.

London City 0 York Region Shooters 0: London squanders some good chances and winds up with its sixth tie of 2002...York Region are winless in three.

Durham Flames 2 Brampton Hitmen 1: The Flames are hot as they knock off the Hitmen for their third straight win...Brampton needs to prove that they can beat someone other than London.

Montreal Dynamites 2 Hamilton Thunder 1: Montreal storms from behind with two goals from Karl Stephen...The Thunder fails to hold on to an early lead provided by Leo Laurito.

Ottawa Wizards 2 Vaughan Sun Devils 1: The Wizards revenge their only loss, earlier this season in Vaughan...Abraham Osman gets both Ottawa goals.

Brampton Hitmen 2 London City 0: Kurt Mella and Jeff Sousa score for Brampton, who break a tie with London for fifth place in the West...Brampton are 3-0-1 against London in League and Cup play.

Ottawa Wizards 2 Hamilton Thunder 1: Kevin Nelson, last season's top scorer, and newcomer Peter Mponda tally for the Wizards, who win their sixth in a row...Hamilton can only manage a late consolation and come home 0-2 from their eastern road trip.

Montreal Dynamites 2 Vaughan Sun Devils 2: Willie Giumarra, just transferred from the Supra, scores for Vaughan as they overcome a two-goal deficit to gain a valuable point on the road...Karl Stephen scored his third goal in two games for the Dynamites.

Mississauga Olympians 2 York Region Shooters 1 (Cup): CPSL top scorer Darren Tilley hits twice as the Olympians advance to the CPSL Cup Quarterfinals (4-2 on aggregate)...Michael Cipriani replied for the Shooters.

CPSL Week 11 previews

July 31 Brian Timmis 8.30 p.m. Hamilton Thunder vs. St. Catharines Wolves (Cup)

Both teams likely circled this game on their calendar the day the schedule was announced...The expansion Thunder (4-4-1) have a number of ex-Wolves on the roster... St. Catharines (4-4-3) lost their last game but are playing well.

Aug 1 Twin Arenas 8 p.m. Mississauga Olympians vs. Brampton Hitmen

The Olympians (5-2-1) are on a roll, having won six of their last eight games...Brampton (3-6-2) are 2-0 vs. London and 1-6-2 against the rest of the league...Mississauga's Darren Tilley leads the CPSL with 15 goals.

Aug 2 Memorial Park 8 p.m. Toronto Croatia vs. North York Astros

This one could get ugly...The Astros (1-3-2) have their first win but were no match for the Wolves last week...Toronto Croatia (5-1-4) have won two straight and have one of the league's hottest players, midfielder Mladen Dikic.

Aug 2 Birchmount 8 p.m. Metro Lions vs. York Region Shooters

The first-year Lions (3-3-0) have lost two straight ... York Region (3-5-2) won the first matchup between the teams 1-0 back in June...The Lions can pass the Shooters in the Eastern Conference standings with a win.

Aug 3 Victoria Park 7.30 p.m. Brampton Hitmen vs. Mississauga Olympians

These teams complete their home-and-home with their second meeting in three days.

Aug 4 Lachine 3 p.m. Montreal Dynamites vs. Ottawa Wizards (Cup)

Montreal (4-2-3) will not have much incentive for this game, having lost the first leg 5-0 in Ottawa...The Wizards (7-1-1) hit the road, where they're only a .500 team in 2002.


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*****Place your vote on the New CPSL Website*****

by Luis Rancagua

For a semi-professional league, I gave the new CPSL site excellent ratings: http://www.cpsl.ca

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A feature report and match report for Vancouver v Seattle

by Allison

http://www.a-league.com/features/2002/fea,2002,0018.shtml

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Close-up of the Whitecaps supporters

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Hey K-man where are the Southsiders in this picture

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I know you didn't go on the bus trip to Seattle, but perhaps you can identify the Southsider faction or were they split up and sat. I can't seem to recall any faces although one person up front with glasses kinda reminds me of the Colenall.

Sincerely,

Nolberto S.

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They were split up.

by Krammerhead

Many of the Southsiders went down on their own, the people in the endzone that are in that photograph went down on the bus organized by the supporters club. The Colonel isn't in that picture, I can't picture him taking the bus, but if you look directly behing the Whitecaps/Breakers banner, behind the Breakers logo is Mr. Bean, and right behind him is Rasta.

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RE: They were split up..

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So I'm guessing that Puskas, Rasta, organized the trip to Seattle, it's a shame that Gooner, Swanny, Hamish the Kid, Handeman, and the other regulars weren't their. From what I hear, the Southsiders hardcore are fewer in numbers this year, due to unforeseen circumstances, busy work schedule, natural disasters or plain M.I.A. eh Krammerhead By the way K-man are you going to attend any play-off games, this Sept or is your cash flow tight as it is.

Sincerely,

Nolberto S.

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Actually.

by Krammerhead

The bus trip was organized by Puskas and the supporters club (not Rasta). I think that some of those you list as MIA did attend the game, they are just not in the photo. Southside numbers have decreased this year (just take a look at the photo of the Southside on my website from the last game-no lineups and they removed the barbeque due to lack of sales). We have had quite a few midweek games, whereas last season many more would come to Friday night games in a partying mood because they could drink, sing and not have to go to work the next day.

As for me being MIA for the game in Seattle, it was not because of money. I had planned to purchase a ticket for the bus package on the final day that they were available. Unfortunately before I did I was informed that the police wanted to question me regarding the fact that I tested positive for gunpowder the night my dad committed suicide. So there was no way that I was going to attempt crossing the border knowing that the police were looking to question me. As it turned out I had relatives visit me on that day anyway, so it all worked out okay. (By the way I have since been questioned and the case closed so no I didn't do anything criminal).

If the Whitecaps make the playoffs, I'll be there.

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I wasn't referring to yourself K-man

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Sorry if you took my MIA sarcarsm ranting as including yourself, I meant the Southsiders who have been MIA the whole season. I myself had been MIA during the initial beginnings of the season, but that was mostly due to financial difficulties regarding my VISA payments. Regarding your Dad, my condolensces, if I hadn't stated that in a previous post, but I can't understand the Vancouver police's problem in interrogating you, basically making you a suspect in your father's suicide attempt. The more and more I read about Vancouver's crime rate increasing and the Vancouver police not knowing how to cope with it the more I laught at the Dept itself. I read in one of the newspapers in Van., that the Van. Police have surrendered in their war on drugs, and have asked assistance from the DEA of the USA, they don't know how to cope with Hastings any longer, even home-invasions are on the rise all over Vancouver, and the police don't know how to cope with that either. So don't worry K-man, I hear you, but hope to see ya in Sept during the playoffs.

Sincerely,

Nolberto S.

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Hey no worries.

by Krammerhead

I thought you were referring to me, but only because recently I have had a number of Portland supporters question why I haven't attended any road games, questioning my "loyalty" and "hardcore support". Of course they don't realize that sometimes other commitments and real life scenarios sometimes make travelling to away games a little difficult or imposssible.

Regarding the police we are talking RCMP not Vancouver police. I too was suprised that 8 months after the incident that they'd finally get test results back and question me as if I didn't want to put that behind me. Anyything to make things worse I was called into the police station yesterday to sign some forms regarding relinquishing thhings that were confiscated by the police. You know I really didn't need to know that they still had a shirt with two holes in and two shell casings, but I guess they had to ask.

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How come they aren't standing ?

by Jarrek

I thought the Southsiders were a hardcore supporters group (chuckle)

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I don't think those people are the Southsiders

by Gian-luca

There's no indication of it in the photo at least.



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re

by Reza

I think the southside is behind one of the nets actually and you can only stand there...just based on what I have seen on tv highlights and also, my few trips passed their stadium...



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"Well, look who knows so much . . .

by Mad Cap Mac

as it turns out, he's only MOSTLY dead!"

Actually GL, the guy near the top left scratching his neck is Julian, who is a SSer who always has a home made flag, and I think the darker skinned guy a few over is R2, another regular. Rasta is in the lower right, with a white cap on backwards as he talks to a person to his left, so there were certainly SSers in the crowd.

There probably weren't enough of them together to actually stand - plus the seats were presumably assigned, rather than the open SS which encourages both movement and standing.

Cheers.

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Thanks for the info

by Gian-luca

They might not have been in a mood for standing too with the result going the way it did - akin to the way some T.O. Ultras sit down when things don't happen as they should.

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A few thoughts.

by Krammerhead

Many southsiders don't show their support as much when they aren't drunk. Apparently beer at the stadium was equivalent to $10 Cdn for a plastice bottle of Bud, thus I assume there was less drinking.

The core Southsiders are not sitting together, therefore pron=bably hard to start anything.

This is a US stadium. Armed guards would have probably arrested them if they had stood up and made any noise, as it would have disturbed American soccer fans sensibilities.

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A further point.

by Krammerhead

The Southsiders that do sing and chant son't shut up no matter how much we are losing by. We have pretty good senses of humour. However the number of Southsiders willing to sing and chant this season has dropped by half.

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RE: Allison

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Hey are you the famous Allison Andrews, Timbers Supporter and A-league.com reporter, I read and heard so much about you, I always browse the Timbers, Sounders, and SouthSiders fan forum and your name always pops up, just like K-man's name, . I myself am a Ultras/Southsider supporter meaning I have meet both factions and support futbol in Canada, and both are unique in their own ways. But enought ranting, I just wanted to say I enjoy your articles, and keep up the good-work and hope to meet you someday and discuss futbol of any kind.

Sincerely,

Nolberto S.

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Is there anything like the Voyageurs Cup anywhere else?

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All the official press releases about the cup say something to the effect that it's the only "fan awarded soccer trophy in Canada" (I'm paraphrasing). I'm wondering if that's just in order to err on the side of caution.. is there anything like this anywhere else.. in any sport?

I really can't imagine one.

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Well, in the States

by Daniel

The regular season champion in MLS gets the Supporters' Shield and there is the Southern Derby in the A-League for Charleston, Atlanta, Charlotte (and maybe Richmond).

The New England Cup, indivisual games between most USL NE teams is also in its first year, although I'm not sure it's a fan iniative.

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Re: New England Cup

by DJT

It's played between D3 and PDL teams, so if it's fan-awarded then those would be some pretty powerful fans to get these teams to play extra games.

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oh yeah... forgot about the Southern Derby

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Now that you mention it, I think this was brought up when the original idea for the Voyageurs Cup was saw the light of day. I didn't realise that the Supporters Shield in the MLS was a total fan initiative though. I thought it was a league thing that was cloaked in fan support.

Have we heard any official word on this from either the A-League or the CSA? I've had contact with the USL's Marketing Director throught my website (http://www.fifaconcacaf.com) should I send her the news release? It would be nice for the A-League at least to take some notice of this.... maybe they could handle the cross-country shipping of the cup or something?

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Screw USLsoccer.com, A-League.com is where it's at

by Daniel

For the fans, by the fans. That's all that matters for now. We have the clubs on board. The league itself is weak.

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Interesting question

by DJT

As Daniel pointed out, it sure isn't unique outside of Canada, given the Supporters Shield and Southern Derby. But I think that we are certainly larger in scope than the Southern Derby (it's in the southeast US only and was intended to formalize a local rivalry rather than fill a void like the lack of a national championship!) and potentially more significant than the Supporters Shield (it's intended only to point out that fans prefer the traditional single-table, no-playoffs league format). But these were insipirational (to me, anyway) since they showed that fans can do this type of thing successfully.

So the question remains whether or not there is any other such trophy in Canada??? It is hard to imagine anything national, but then again non-soccer fans will probably never hear about us and so there could be a national fan-awarded trophy in some sport that we don't pay attention to.

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I think in Canada we are unique

by Gian-luca

A national trophy awarded by the fans across the country to a club to make up for the lack of a professional league and/or open cup in Canada? Difficult to see where else it could apply...Baseball? Arena Football? Lacrosse?

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Nope

by Ed

There's the Toller Cranston Crayola Cup which has been awarded annually to the most garish Canadian synchronized swim team, as chosen by a team of dedicated 'ice blue' eyeshadow devotees largely based in Montreal and Calgary. And don't forget the 'Fast Eddie' Werenich Memorial Ash Tray (chunky black one) and Stand, awarded annually to the skip judged to be have the best 'hurry ... hard' whilst dangling an Export A from his lips and holding a rye whiskey in his free hand.

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CPSL should play up its derbys

by L.T.

They have some natural geographical rivalries...

Vaughan - York Region
Hamilton - St. Catharines
Mississauga - Croatia
Toronto Supra - North York - Metro Lions
Ottawa - Montreal (a bit of a stretch)


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Is there anything like Voyageurs for other sports..

by Cheech Wizard

....in Canada?

Go Wizards!


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http://www.canadacricket.com/ ... nm

by Tyler

nm

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Cool! nm

by Cheech Wizard

nm

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u15,U17 Nationals

by chancellor

Anyone have the inside scoop on the Canadian Nationals held this past week in Quebec and New Brunswick. I know the results but would like details.

U15 g - gold - ontario
U17 g - gold - ontario

u15 b - gold - bc
u17 b - gold - alberta

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Re: u15,U17 Nationals

by mullan

some info at - www.soccer.on.ca

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Need the info...

by Mr. Canada

Can anyone tell me the date and time that the u-19 women will be playing Brazil in Calgary? It would be much appreciated.

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August 11th @ 11:00AM

by J

Go Canada!!

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Merci

by Mr. Canada

Thanks

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Voyageurs Cup Individual stats

by matthew

I'm going to try to keep these as up to date as possible. If anyone has any formatting tips feel free to pass them along, though these shouldn't be too hard to read.

2002 Coupe des Voyageurs Cup
Individual stats (as of 7/29/02)

Goals
Budalic, Tor 2
Thompson, Van 2
Biello, Mtl 1
Clarke, Van 1
DiTullio, Mtl 1
 Heidler, Cal 1
Kindel, Van 1
Kojic, Tor 1
Lyall, Van 1
Mattacchione 1
Pavicic, Cal 1
Sebrango, Mtl 1
Vincello, Tor 1

  denotes penalty kick.

Assists
Aristodemo, Tor 2
Vignjevic, Tor 2
Biello, Mtl 1
Clarke, Van 1
Corneli, Mtl 1
DiPlacido, Tor 1
Heald, Van 1
King, Van 1
Rowland, Mtl 1
Valente, Van 1

Minutes
Auvigne, Cal 270
Chala, Cal 270
Dasovic, Van 270
Jesic, Cal 270
Kindel, Van 270
Marques, Van 270
Thompson, Van 270
Valente, Van 270
Ledgerwood, Cal 249
Lyall, Van 245
Finan, Van 228
Clarke, Van 225
King, Van 224
Morris, Van 208
Zuniga, Cal 201

Fouls
Auvigne, Cal 11
Heidler, Cal 10
Dasovic, Van 7
Finan, Van 6
Vincello, Tor 6
Zuniga, Cal 6
Bosch, Cal 4
Jesic, Cal 4
Kojic, Tor 4
Oliviero, Mtl 4
Thompson, Van 4

Shots
Kindel, Van 9
Valente, Van 7
Barker, Mtl 4
Biello, Mtl 4
Lemire, Cal 4
Sebrango, Mtl 4
Thompson, Van 4
Clarke, Van 3
DiPlacido, Tor 3
Heidler, Cal 3
Vignjevic, Tor 3

Wins
Sutton, Mtl 2
Zagar, Tor 2
Marques, Van 1

Saves
Hirschfeld, Cal 29
Marques, Van 13
Zagar, Tor 10
Sutton, Mtl 6
Zarzycki, Cal 2

Goals Against Average
Sutton, Mtl 0.50
Marques, Van 1.00
Zagar, Tor 1.00
Hirschfeld, Cal 2.50
Zarzycki, Cal 4.00

Shutouts
Marques, Van 1
Sutton, Mtl 1
Zagar, Tor 1

Save Percentage
Sutton, Mtl .857
Hirschfeld, Cal .853
Zagar, Tor .833
Marques, Van .813
Zarzycki, Cal .333

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Awesome...

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Good work Mat. These formatted stats will help keep interest at its peak for Voyageurs Cup games!

Mimglow, Ottawa

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3 week Hiatus (including Man U v Ajax!!)

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Hello everyone!

Just wanted to let everyone know that although I don't often post here, I read it everyday.

For the next 3 weeks, I will be in the Netherlands (visiting family).

On Friday night, I will be going to the Amsterdam Tournament, where I will watch Man U v Ajax and Barcelona v Parma.

Have a great month and make sure you join our soccer pool at members.rogers.com/mimglow

See you soon! GO WIZARDS!

Mimglow, Ottawa

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Comments on CPSL expansion......

by DoyleG

It would be nice to see a concrete plan from the CPSL on their hopes for expansion. What role would leagues like the PCSL and the AMSL play in this plan?

The biggest problem with such a plan is the viability of any club team. How many of the current CPSL teams could survive in this plan they want to undertake? Even more, how many teams in the other leagues could survive this?

I'm not a fan of this expansion proposal they are proposing. It would be nice though to see some concrete plans from the CPSL



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Silence = Working on it?

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Perhaps the reason all we're hearing is rumors is because the CPSL want to be sure that they have a concrete, solid plan before going public.

I don't think we should feel slighted if we at Voyageurs haven't heard anything about it. Let's be patient and let them come up with a great plan!

Mimglow, Ottawa

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Yes

by DJT

Not that we are purposely keeping secrets from everyone, but in working on the Voyageurs Cup things come up that aren't discussed publicly right away, like the Inside Soccer article (didn't want to announce it before we were sure that it would happen) or trophy choices (had to be narrowed down to two choices as WF couldn't present the dozens that he considered). These are just small examples. I can only imagine what it would be like for the CPSL.

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CPSL President Vince Ursini was out West

by Luis Rancagua

Ursini over 2-weeks ago visited the province of Alberta and British Colombia. he spend time with officials of the provincial leagues of BC and Alberta. His tour out West add more to the rumours that something is definitely up.

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Doyle, I have a suggestion for you

by Luis Rancagua

On the new Website of the CPSL, there is a section called "Ask the President." You could forward your direct question to CPSL President Vince Ursini by turning to this section of the Website.

http://www.cpsl.ca

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Hello Canadian football fans

by Mary

Hello all! I've been a canadian fan since I moved here 5 years ago. I have high hopes in the boys making the next World Cup. I believe that after watching the last 2 Gold Cups that we are becoming a top team in our region!
I really enjoy this site and am happy to see such a passionate fan forum!


Cheers

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Hello Canadian football(soccer) fan!

by Daniel

Enjoy the board and feel free to participate.

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Where did you find out about us ...

by Jarrek

... My bets are on Inside Soccer ...

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reply....

by Mary

Just came across you guys searching thru the web for canadian soccer (football) info and happily ended up here!

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Transfer Fees?

by JTPenney

I'm leafing through the new cpsl.ca site and I stumble across Chris Williams in the player movement section. He is in Germany with Werder Bremen. The question is how much does the Vaughan Sun Devils or Glen Shields get for him? Surely Canadian clubs can make some money by selling players to offset the budget demands, or an I wrong?

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Assuming he signs......

by Gian-luca

I would hope they would get a little bit of cash if he's under contract to Glen Shields. There still is no indication that he has been signed or is just over there on a trial. Because no-one (CPSL or CSA) has confirmed the former I suspect its the latter.

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Just saw Theo Flury wear a Calgary Storm FC hat on TSN ...

by Jarrek

During a Golf Tourney

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Gimme some credit..

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And its Theo FLEURY......

I dont wanna hear any comments about theo on this board that is negitive, or your asking for a long long long long long thread

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re

by JayWay

And it's NEGATIVE

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re re.

by Stu

And I think "Negative" would be an understatement.

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You guys make me sick....n/m

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Way to go Theo! (nm)

by Mike D

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that was cool eh Stu!

by RC

Maybe he'll play soccer and retire from hockey

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STORM vs. Timbers pics, July 20th / 2002

by Stu

Take a peek.

http://community.webshots.com/user/stormstu

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Hey!!! Former Lynx's players now in the CPSL

by Luis Rancagua

Browsing through the new Website of the CPSL, I came across the following names: of Daryl Holmes and Darran Tilley. Both these individuals are now with the Mississaugua Olympians.

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two more Mississauga Olympians with Lynx experience...

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Aaron Benjamin is an outside midfielder.

Forward Jimmy Kuzanovski has worked up the other way this year by joining the Lynx for a few games when they had injury problems earlier this year.

Ooh Caswain Mason was with the Lynx as recently as 2001 but I didn't see him in the weekend game.

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Two more A-Leaguers are ...

by David Bailey

... Darryl Gomez of the Lions and Carlo Arghittu of Roma.

Also, the Lion's have NPSL veterans O'Neil Brown and Brian Bowes.

We also shouldn't forget Lucio Ianiero of Roma who played with the APSL Blizzard of 1993 and of course Paolo Ceccarelli (Hitmen) who played with the same Blizzard club as well as spending years with the Impact.

db

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AND DUH..

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BOBBY RANHDAWA...... Vaughan sun devils

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And the winner is....(Voyageur Cup)

by Winnipeg Fury

it looks like trophy B has won by a slight margin. Anyone wanting to know what trophy B looks like (wine cooler style) can scroll back to the beginning of the vote.

I would also like to thank Bill Spiers, Inside Soccer Magazine and Jeffrey Swartz for their generous donation. (Jarrek, can you add them to the official list)

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And the total raised to date.....

by Winnipeg Fury


**** $2040.00 *****


Let me just say thanks to everyone who donated to the Voyageur Cup. Initially I was hoping for a few hundred dollars, but your generous donations and words of encouragement have catapulted our fund-raising drive into high gear.

Not only will the Voyageur Cup be reality, but this
money will also generate other projects that will serve to progress Canadian soccer.

Other projects being considered will be the recognition of top Canadian Goal-Scorer, as well as recognition of individuals/outlets in the Canadian media that provide consistent coverage of Canadian soccer. Both projects should be worthy endeavours, but nothing will happen until discussed at the forum.

That said, all focus will remain on the Voyageur Cup for the time being. There's still plenty of work to do for Matt, Danny and myself.

I'll keep you posted as things progress......



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Missed one....

by Winnipeg Fury

Behrouz Dehizadeh also donated to the Voyageur Cup. Thanks Behrouz !

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Jarrek, I think you've missed some names....

by Mark

http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/message?forumid=4693&messageid=1027631430

I know I'm not listed on the donations received site (yet my cheque was cashed yesterday) and there are others on the list posted in this message who are not on the list either.

I know you've probably been busy and just missed these names, but I'm sure all of us on this list would appreciate being added to the list.

Thanks

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Hey and for me just put

by Jeffrey S.

Jeffrey S.

Jeffrey Swartz is all in all a much more serious person with professional obligations who wouldn't be caught dead donating to such a cause.

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Done ...

by Jarrek

Page Updated ...

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why our player in europ they didn't donate ?

by behrouz

i am sure some of this guys drop by here ,i think it was nice they could come up with something.it is n't about money ,i was just like to see their name in that list ,which it means alot

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Views and Questions re: Whitecaps/Sounders

by Ian Kennett

I was in Seattle for the Sounders game the other day, abnd the first thing I have to say is that the new Seahawks stadium is marvelous. It is open and airy with pretty good sightlines, and is a huge improvememnt over that old concrete bunker, the Kingdome, and the stifling balloon building at BC Place. The unfortunate thing about the Seakawks stadium is the FieldTurf which, while far better than regular fake turf (I've played on both), will, unfortunately, disqualify the venue from being used for official FIFA matches involving the US national team. Certain friendlies may be allowed, but otherwise!

This leads me to a question. I wonder if BC Place is engneered in way that would allow the roof to be removed and new roof installed over the most of the seats only. Would the structure take the increase weight of a solid roof over the stands, and would the place leak like a condo if the bubble was removed?

To the Whitecaps?Sounders game. Basically and frankly, we were overwhelmed and outclassed save for a few minutes here and there. Granted the team is injury plagued. BTW, I wonder how well the trainers are doing at the Caps - I mean, how many guys have pulled groins or hamstrings? Isn't the trainer supposed to keep the guys flexible and well prepared for game conditions? I wonder!

Another question is this: if Dasovic, Franks, Heald, and Jordan had been on the field in place of King, Thompson, N Craverio, and Coppin, and, if Larkin had been in goal instead of Marques, how different would the result have been? I wonder!

Yet another question is this. Seattle made 5 substitutions while we made none. Granted there was just Chris Craverio on the bench, but surely he would have been more threatening in the second half than the flat-footed Niall Thompson who really seems to have lost a step or two.

Still another question: Why is Fonseca still playing guys out of position? Why was Alfredo Valente playing left back where he was turned at will by Ching and Sawatski, when defender Jeff Clarke was on the field in the midfield? Isn't that a little backwards? And, although he was on national team coaching duty, why is Dasovic played at the back when his best strength has always been a disruptive/destroying middle-of-the-park defensive midfielder? Fonseca needs to play guys to their strengths.

And, the biggest question, although the guy was injured recently, (groin pull???!) is how on earth Mark Finan manages to start when he is an adequate substitute, slow-of-foot, and a great guy to give the ball away regularly? Could it be because he is from coach Tony Fonseca's Metro league team, Sportstown, or is that a coincidence? Hmm!

Assuming that the Caps were completely healthy, I would start: (4,4,2)
Larkin (he needs a chance to play again, but must win job)
Clarke (sweeper, fast, great vision out of the back)
Lyall, Cameron, Franks (Franks and Lyall can attack up the flanks when the opportunity arises as both have great speed)
Dasovic (defensive midfielder)
Valente, Kindel, Heald
Jordan, Morris

Anyway there's my rant for what ails the Caps, my team, who are tearing my heart out this year. See you at Swangard on Friday!
Cheers!
Ian

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Some thoughts and answers.

by Krammerhead

First off, regarding the FieldTurf, a fan on another board said that FIFA has approved the turf in Seahawks stadium for international play. However this fan was a Timbers supporter, and they are usually wrong about everything.

Regarding BC Place, I'd love it if they could rip off the roof. However theres a few problems. First off it's main use nowadays is for trade shows etc, so they need the roof. It was also built with no drainage, because they didn't need any. Without a roof it would flood. There are also plenty of other problems that would arise if they removed the roof.

I wonder if the injuries that the Whitecaps have this season is from Fonseca working them too hard in practices. Maybe he runs them to death to hide the fact that he's a lousy coach. This is also why he plays players out of position. Lets face it Fonseca got the job as head coach not because he deserves it but because no one else wanted it. It's also true that Larkin has to earn another start and Marques has been good, but lets face it, Fonseca was just waiting for an excuse to give Marques the starting keepers job.

The lineup that the Whitecaps have put out on many occasions this season is nothing but a glorified metro league team, and they've put out the performances to prove it. Which is another reason why attendance is down this season.



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some thoughts on the match plus my caps starting 11.....

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The Stadium looks top nothc, and I felt as if the Field Turf had no effect on the actual game play. I am a supporter of a League in Canada using FieldTurf, this way the game can be played during the Winter Months, and not only in BC/Western Canada...

Regarding the actual gameplay, we were just outclassed, plain and simple...I wonder if the large crowd had a deterring effect on our players???hmm...most likely, I only say this because this is the highest attendance most of these players have ever played in front of.

and to be quite honest, I think our defense and midfield were tragic, we were being beaten left, right, and center. And when we had an attack, it always broke down 35 yards from goal.

MY STARTING 11:-

************MARQUES************

***********N CRAVEIRO**********
*******LYALL*******FRANKS******

CLARKE***DASOVIC***HEALD***KINDEL
*************VALENTE***********

*******JORDAN****C CRAVEIRO****


DEFENSE:-
Lyall and Franks would work well together man-marking the opposite 2 atttacker, whilst Nico Craviero, who is a proven Sweeper could take care of the mess leftover.

MIDFIELD:-
We all know Clarke is dangerous on the wings, anyonw remember the Gold Cup 2000....Dasovic is just plain old tough in the midfield and can win the balls for the team, while Heald can bring some smarts and talent in the middle. Kindel on the other hand is a class winger. Even during the loss to Seattle he seemed to dominate on the Wings.

FORWARDS:-
Jason Jordan is just a potent attacker and can shoot from anywhere with a high percentage chance of scoring, and Chris Craveiro is lethal around the goal. Anyone recall the 2 goals plus an assist last season during the televised match against Toronto, not to mention the amazing run he had before he was sidelined with that nagging injury (whats wrong with him again??). But since he was sitting on the bench dressed for the first time in ages, I'm assuming the injury is finally fading, and he should definately get some minutes next game.




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One question.

by Krammerhead

Who's going to watch a Canadian soccer league in the winter? Not only would nobody bother to freeze their asses off, the FieldTurf would be rock hard as it would be frozen (when it's not covered by feet of snow).

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Inside Soccer--feature on Voyageurs!

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This issue of Inside Soccer has a huge story on the Voyageurs and another story on the Voyageurs Cup!

I'm not about to transcribe the articles here but it's definitely worth picking up this issue.


Allez les Rouges,
M@

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Hey M@

by Stu

When did you get your issue?? I have a subscription and I haven't received mine yet!!
I just hope they don't forget to send me one as it wouldn't be the first time!!

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The whens & wheres

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I picked mine up today at Indigo, in the Toronto Eaton Centre. The distributor typically gets magazines a few days before the subscribers get them... that's just the way it works out I guess.

Anyhow now you'll have something to look forward to. You're welcome! : )


Allez les Rouges,
M@

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This must be getting people's attention

by DJT

There was a blip in Cup Web site hits on Monday.

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re

by Reza

From my experiene, although these things are all great, in the long run, they are just part of a slow move forward. They give you wings and feathers, but they won't lift you up high enough. So, one shouldn't get too excited about anything and one shouldn't lose hope at the same time. Just keep your head down and do what you do and things will sooner or later go your way or at least you get so used to it that you start feeling they do!

cheers

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I wrote Alfonso at inside soccer

by Stormsoccer

Told him about the Voyageurs and A-league .com web sites for most Canadian soccer info.


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CSA: Mexico Edges U-20's 1-0 at Festival

by Winnipeg Fury


Men's Youth (U-20) Team
Monday, July 29, 2002

Mexico Edges Canada 1-0 At Festival

Canada's Youth (Under-20) Team suffered a 1-0 loss to Mexico at the US Soccer Festival in Houston, Texas, Sunday. Mexico scored the game's only goal in the 86th minute when Mario Ortiz beat Canadian goalkeeper Alim Karim.

The Canadians had two players sent off late in the game. Kevin Harmse received his second yellow and marching orders in the 78th minute while Josh Simpson received a straight red in the 89th minute.

"For the most part we defended well against a fine Mexican side," said Canadian head coach Dale Mitchell. "Our lack of discipline cost us two players and the winning goal late in the second half."

July 28, 2002 - US Soccer Festival
Robertson Stadium, University of Houston, Houston, Texas
Canada 0(0)
Mexico 1 (0)
Goals: Mexico - Mario Ortiz (86)

Cautions: Canada - Devin Matthews (26), Sita-Taty Matondo(54), Kevin Harmse(68, 78); Mexico - Juan De La Cruz (29), Raul Mendoza (32), Carlos Hurtado (39), Randy Santana (47), Edgar Ceballos (82)
Ejections: Canada - Kevin Harmse (78), Josh Simpson (89)

Canada: Alim Karim, Andreas Arango, Atiba Hutchinson, Winston Marshall, Devin Matthews, Jason DiTullio, Waldo Dutra (Peter Esutache, 90), Josh Simpson, Kevin Harmse, Sita-Taty Matondo (Chris Lemire, 60), Joey Todaro (Mike Lupton, 73). Head coach: Dale Mitchell

Mexico: Jose Martinez, Ignacio Olevra, Zea Oscar, Juan Carlos De La Berrera, Ricardo Mdina, Randy Santana, Carlos Hurtado (Juan Reyna, 55), Raul Mendoza (Jorge Zetter, 87), Juan De La Cruz (Edgar Ceballos, 50), Isaac Gonzalez (Guillermo Rumilla, 76), Mario Ortiz





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Ottawa Citizen: Victories Twice as Nice for Wizards

by Winnipeg Fury

Victories are twice as nice for Wizards
 
Darren Desaulniers
The Ottawa Citizen


The Canadian Professional Soccer League champions just keep on impressing people.

The Ottawa Wizards won by 2-1 scores twice this weekend at the Oz Optics Stadium in Carp. Saturday it was against the Vaughn Sun Devils, the only team to beat Ottawa this year. Yesterday, all the scoring came in the second half between the Wizards and the Hamilton Thunder as Ottawa improved to 7-1, good for 25 points, tops in the league.

Kevin Nelson scored yesterday on a setup from Abraham Osman, who scored both Ottawa goals Saturday. Newcomer Peter Mponda put the home side up 2-0 before the Thunder scored on a penalty kick in the final 10 minutes.

"In the first half (Hamilton) were a lot more fired up than we were, but we managed to hold them off. In the second half, we had the wind and the guys stepped it up another notch," said Lianos, who admitted his club was feeling the heat after playing two straight games.

"It's not that we didn't have the horses, but when you play two games in a row, two tough games in a row, it takes a toll."

The Wizards play the Metro Lions in Carp on Aug. 10 and the North York Astros visit on Aug. 11. Both games start at 4 p.m.

At Keith Harris Stadium on the Carleton University campus yesterday, the Ottawa Fury ended their Women's League season with a heartbreaking 2-1 loss to the Boston Renegades.

Andrea Torontow gave the Fury a 1-0 in the 73rd minute yesterday, but the Renegades came back with late goals from Carrie Kueton and Mary Guerina -- the second in the final minute -- for the win.

© Copyright  2002 The Ottawa Citizen


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Calgary Herald: Storm Bask in Sunshine

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Storm bask in sunshine with second victory

Only other win came on May 4
 
Murray Rauw
Calgary Herald


Maybe the plunge in the standings has hit bottom.

The Calgary Storm were about as low as a team can be last week, but the attitude changed in the second half of Sunday's A-League game against the Indiana Blast. The Storm erupted for three second-half goals and scored a 3-0 victory before 1,328 diehard fans at Foothills Athletic Park. It was only Calgary's second win of the season and their first win since May 4.

"Nobody expected us to do to much today," said Calgary's Kurt Bosch. "We didn't have a lot of our regular players. I went to our practice yesterday and I was wondering if I had gone to the wrong place because I didn't recognize anyone."

But the Storm ignored the changes and pulled together as well as at any time this season. After a scoreless first half, it was an amazing goal by Bosch at the 23rd minute of the second half that changed the fortunes of the Storm (2-16-3). With his back to the Indiana goal, he picked the high left corner with a fancy bicycle kick.

"We had had so many chances in the first half, but it was a day that was going to take something special to get us over the hump," said Bosch. "That will probably be one of the most memorable goals I'll ever score."

His jubilant reaction to the goal showed the significance of it.

"We hadn't scored for so long and we hadn't had a lead for so long, it felt as if a huge weight was lifted from our shoulders," said Bosch, another of the University of Alberta contingent playing with Calgary.

The goal was set up off a header by newcomer Hilaire Kamden.

"It went off my chest and set up perfectly for me," described Bosch, who knew turning around and making a conventional kick was fruitless. "I knew they had a guy right behind me so I thought I would have a go at it. I didn't see it go in, I just saw it go in off the back bar."

Jamie Auvigne and Kamden also scored for the Storm.

With the win, Calgary picked up four points and with Kamden scoring at the 87th minute, the Storm picked up a bonus point for scoring three goals for a five-point day. They now have 12 points, well out of playoff contention.

The Storm kept the win in perspective. They knew they hadn't exactly upset a league giant. The Blast fell to 4-15-1 for the season and they didn't show much determination after Calgary scored the first goal.

But Storm coach Tommy Wheeldon was impressed with the game turned in by his team.

"A lot went into our game," he said. "There was a lot of vanity, a lot of enthusiasm, certainly a lot of heart and plenty of skill. By halftime, I felt we could dominate, and after Kurt scored the first one, I knew there was more to come."

The win may have been a relief for Wheeldon, but the true appreciation came from the response of the new players in the lineup. Kamden, Martin Dugas and Brett Bachelu were all playing their first A-League game and all contributed to the attack.

Bachelu, a 17-year-old promoted from the Prospects, didn't score, but he had an assist and bounced two scoring chances off the post and showed he belonged.

The Storm are back in action at Foothills on Tuesday when the Toronto Lynx (7-10-3) visit.

© Copyright  2002 Calgary Herald



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Question about Seattle-Vancouver match

by L.T.

For those who watched the game, was there a noticeable difference in the type/quality of play on the artificial FieldTurf as opposed to real grass?

I'm wondering if that would be a viable alternative for a joint Lynx-Argos stadium venture in Toronto...



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Well judging from the digcast.

by Krammerhead

It seemed alright. The commentator mentioned that the players were saying that they thought the playing surface was excellent. Vancouver keeper Alex Marques played the match in shorts, as opposed to long pants that keepers wear on most fake surfaces, so he must have felt comfortable with it.


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Help Wanted (Norwegian media request RE: Marco Reda)

by L.T.

I got this email today from a Norwegian newspaper:

> Former Toronto Lynx-player Marco Reda, born June 22nd 1977, now with norwegian premier league club SOGNDAL has played several unformal matches for Canada development and national teams. Here in Norway Mr. Reda is playing with an italian passport. How is it possible that an italian can play for Canada?
> Could someone may be help us?

I would like to provide an informed response. What I know/believe thus far:

Fact: Reda was born in Ontario

Belief: Reda is eligible to play for Canada (although according to Voyaguer main site, has not been capped).

Belief: Reda' father was likely born in Italy and was an Italian citizen when Marco was born, making him eligible for an Italian passport

Anything else ???

Thanks,
Lino Terra
editor@ontariosoccerweb.com








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What!!!! Reda as NOT been capped by Canada????

by Luis Rancagua

Wat are we waiting for??? Wy doesn't someon cap this guy for once and for all.

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I doubt he will be capped for Italy anytime soon ...

by Jarrek

No Rush ... but I'm sure Holger will have an eye or two on him now ...

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He's hasn't been good enough to play for nats

by Dave Carmichael

Canada has had better players in his position so why would he be picked? He is nowhere good enough to be considered for Italy so take a pill, Luis.

If shows well in Norway, I'm sure Osieck will give him a try at some point.

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There are those who believe that the best Lynx defender...

by Grasshopper

wasn't actually Marco Reda, but Milan Kojic (except for last year; he really sucked when he played for L'Impact.) And I'm pretty sure that Kojic hasn't been capped either. Adrian Serioux (whose name has produced a myriad of chants this year) also has his supporters, although I think that he's been a bit off this year.

Blair

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Kojic has been capped - u17 tourney in Japan in 93 I think... (nm)

by Marc P

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Born in Toronto...

by Glenn

and lives in Woodbridge, according to last year's Lynx program.

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Don't need to be born there

by Jeremy

Either your parents or grandparents do. That's how Carlo Corazzin plays for Oldham without a work permit. And maybe I missed something, but I don't think Reda's been capped.

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I thought he had been capped......

by Gian-luca

playing for the U20 team, but perhaps I am thinking of the Pan-American Games. I'm pretty sure he's capped at some level for Canada, but perhaps he's not cap-tied.

Italy isn't exactly scouting Norway for Alessandro Nesta back-ups, so it isn't really much of an issue - all this cap-tied worrying is Hargreaves fault! . Norway capping him would be a bigger concern at this stage, and that isn't exactly possible at this moment.

While we're discussing Marco's life, perhaps now is the time to mention that Marco played for Holy Cross Catholic High School's soccer team (in Woodbridge, Ontario) where I believe some current members of the U18 team attended school (or is it Father Bressani?)

Marco likely would have played against Stalteri in regional High School action, as Paul went to St. Augustine in Brampton (next door to Vaughan) at the same time that Marco went to Holy Cross.

I know Tomasz Radzinski when to Bishop Morrocco High School in Toronto, and I believe Fernando Aguiar also went there, but I'm unsure of the latter fact.

And continuing the high school theme I recall reading somewhere that Julian De Guzman & Victor Oppong went to the same high school.

Anybody not from Toronto know of similar high-school national team anecdotes?

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Reda caps

by Marc P

He was part of the u20 team that went to Malaysia, but I'm not sure if he's been capped officially. Ray has been pretty great with our caps page http://www.canadian-soccer.com/canadians_caps-A.html
and Reda's not on it, so I trust his stats.

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CPSL Website

by L.T.

aah, another day, another missed deadline by the CPSL...

Maybe their technicians are trying to figure out when is the next time July 28 occurs on a Monday (announced website release date was Monday July 28 @ 6:00 pm)

Regardless, if you look hard enough, the site is already accessible. Two interesting tidbits...

W. Giumarra has been transferred to the Vaughn (misspelled on their own site!!) Sun Devils.

OntarioSoccerWeb.com doesn't warrant a mention on their links page

L.T.

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and a revamped ISM website

by Ed

New updated website for Insider Soccer Magazine.

www.insidesoccer.ca

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I don't know about revamped...

by DJT

...as I've seen that layout for months now. However, you are right in pointing out that it has been newly updated on Monday (July 29) with info on the latest issue, July/August 2002... and Voyageurs will be particularly interested!!!

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It's up .... (nm)

by L.T.

nm

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Lino ... don't worry ... cpsl webmasters are copycats ;)

by Jarrek

The reason why the CPSL hasn't included you on their links is because we haven't as well. Basically whoever did the CPSL site copied word by word what we have had on our links page for ages:

Ours
http://www.canadian-soccer.com/links.html

Theirs
http://www.cpsl.org/test/links.asp

If theirs changes, then they must of read this message.




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You too?? Now I'm really offended... ;) (nm)

by L.T.

nm

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Don't be ...

by Jarrek

I just added you ... I just never realized that your excellent page wasn't listed there!

And of course you never told me

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That must have been their old links page...

by DJT

...because it doesn't work anymore and their new one is different (and has a slight problem as the provincial associations aren't lined up properly with their links): http://www.cpsl.ca/links.asp

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****The new CPSL Site: Not bad after-all****

by Luis Rancagua

Aside from being late. Te site demonstrates good things to come. I hope.

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looks ok

by ray

But in the end the CPSL webpage is measured as a source of information. I hope they keep the team rosters updated!

Much better that the old site, though.

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Doesn't neccesarily mean much...

by Gordon

...but I note Terry Dunfield has been issued a squad number with Man City for 2002/03. #37

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Steve Butcher cut from Lynx ...

by Jarrek

BUTCHER GETS CUT

The Toronto Lynx officially announced today that forward Steve Butcher has been released from the club. The native of Buffalo, New York became the first ever American born player to suit up for Toronto and leaves the Lynx with one goal in 10 games played. With Butcher’s departure, Toronto has an opening in the forward position. Head Coach and General Manager Peter Pinizzotto is searching for a high-profile replacement and the club hopes to make an official announcement before the A-League’s roster freeze takes effect on Wednesday, July 31 at 4:00 p.m.

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Darren Tilley maybe?

by Krammerhead

Just a thought.

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How many other "high profile" A-League players...

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will be available within the next two days? Tilley sounds pretty logical.. thats probably where the smart money is

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Let's just hope they don't go back to their losing ways ...

by Jarrek

With Butcher at least the club had a positive record.

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he is a top scorer in cpsl

by behrouz

he is in the good shape,i think he is the one


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Just finished watchin my 2000 86ers highlights video.

by Krammerhead

Man I wish the Whitecaps had Tilley the way he played that season. Had the post game quote of the year when he said when asked about the Southsiders "they drink too much at times..."

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What in hell is going on?

by Gian-luca

Tough to build team chemistry when players are coming&going throughout the whole season. Are they going to give young Sergio DeLuca a chance now?(I assumed he was signed for a reason).


That's two strikers gone in the last week.


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Interesting piece from SoccerAmerica...

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It makes a good point that is worth remembering the next time Terry Jones decides we're going to crash and burn out of the Gold Cup...





My View: It's Already Popular

7/23/2002 12:09:00 PM

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UNLIKE SO MANY enthusiastic soccer fans in the San Francisco area, I stayed out of the bars during the World Cup. It wouldn't have been practical. But near the end of the tournament, after a long night and morning of work, I settled onto a bar stool and ordered an Irish coffee, which seemed an appropriate drink for a soccer insomniac.

A replay of Brazil-Turkey was on the television, and a 69-year-old woman looked up and said, ''They ought to shoot the man who invented that game.''

I took it upon myself to inquire as to the source of her animosity toward the sport.

''It makes my head hurt watching them bounce the ball off their heads,'' she said.

''That's fair,'' I said, ''but you'll notice the Brazilians tend to keep the ball on the ground. Besides, no one's forcing you to watch.''

''He's right,'' said her male companion of a similar age. ''You don't have to watch. ... You know, my grandson plays for a championship team in Castro Valley. ... Soccer's going to be real popular here some day, isn't it?''

Ronaldo scored, and I went home to nap. Then I logged online to read scores of stories from around the country about this sport that wasn't yet popular. I came across Kansas City Star columnist Joe Posnanski's article, ''Soccer is for the young.'' He had joined 1,700 people who watched the USA-Germany game on big screens outside of Arrowhead Stadium.

''These were kids watching,'' Posnanski wrote. ''Real kids. The kinds of kids you don't see at baseball games anymore. The kinds of kids you never see at Chiefs games. ... And it hit me. The soccer-rippers are old. Has-beens. They are the same age group who, 50 years ago, said rock 'n' roll would never catch on.''

It's true. Young Americans like soccer. But, as potential sports fans, they're swamped by the traditional sports. It takes a World Cup to remind us that, yes, this sport already is popular in the United States.

By Soccer America Executive Editor Mike Woitalla




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Agreed, Plus......

by Free kick

Think of all the marginal sports out there. Be it amateur or professional and by marginal I am not referring to their appeal or entertainment value but rather the size of their following. I am thinking of maybe a dozen or so sports in the olympics such as diving, trap shooting, triathlon etc. Does anyone ever express the kind of animosity towards these sports that you hear for soccer?

Tony

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That is an excellent little tool

by James MacLeod

The idea that people that oppose soccer so vehemently are the same as 'old codgers that said rock would not be popular'

Excellent little piece of PR machinery.

I like that one. I will use it.





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only synchro swimming gets that bad press like soccer...

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none of the old guys makes fun of women's hammer throw probably because that doesn't make the Olympic coverage so they don't realize it's on.



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CSAF A-League Attendance: Lynx worst in Canada ...

by Jarrek

http://www.canadian-soccer.com/post/csaf_2002.html

If anyone has corrections to this, please let me know, also post any references to the correction.



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City strike made matters worst

by Luis Rancagua

Aside from this issue, let's talk about location. Both my dad and I, we were amazed by the huge distance we had to travel for the last game against the Mariners. What we need here is perhaps moving the club to DOWNTOWN LAMPORT STADIUM. Location wise is perhaps more suitable, given the fact of the dowtown location. We need to speak to the City of Toronto, and request to change the ground facility into real grass.

This is only a thought. Both my dad and I, we were seriously talking about this issue after the last LYNX's game.

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Lamport Stadium: Soccer's worst enemy is Field Hockey

by Jarrek

The Toronto Soccer Association wanted to spend half a million to put in FieldTurf at Lamport. Unfortunately Lamport is also used for field hockey. The plan was cancelled and neither group could come to an agreement.

http://www.city.toronto.on.ca/legdocs/2002/agendas/committees/edp/edp020627/it017.pdf

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We must re-nogociate a much better deal

by Luis Rancagua

My dad once told me that Lamport was built for soccer purposes. There has to be a legal issue that will make matter more suitable for the LYXN. I'm just guessing here. But something serious has to be done.

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Thanks Jarrek. My fears confirmed. Luis, easier said than done!

by David Bailey

This is obviously a major problem and unless a suitable new venue for field hockey can be found, there is no satisfactory solution.

Field Hockey must have carpet. AFAIC, it's the only thing that makes the game watchable.

Obviously that makes it unsuitable for soccer.

The city obviously has set its own criteria regading Lamport and as long as they include field hockey in their future plans, we're screwed.

It doesn't matter what the stadium was originally built for. It's a matter of what it is being used for now and the city can't just throw the field hockey teams out onto the street.

What we have to hope for is that when the new U of T facility is built, that they go with a carpet. That would open up Lamport for a plan of the type mentioned in the document that Jarrek dug up.

Alternatively, we hope that U of T goes with a FieldTurf type surface and we leave Lamport to field hockey and whatever soccer teams are desperate enough to play on that terrible surface that now exists.

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Can't they find somewhere else to place some field hockey fields?

by Krammerhead

Lets face it they don't need a stadium to play in it's not like anybody watches the sport. We have a few fields for field hockey (and used for soccer) here with astroturf, theres no seating as it's not neccessary.

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Good Point ...

by Jarrek

Unfortunately there isn't anything like that down here ... I think your thinking is a bit too future minded for our backward politicians ...

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Sad and True

by David Bailey

We don't have any full size astroturf fields that could be utilized for field hockey apart from the Coffee Time Soccer Centre. Wouldn't that be a twist!

db

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distance to stadium

by L.T.

keep in mind Toronto is a BIG place and a lot of people would find King St. to be quite a distance.

When I look around the Lynx 'crowd' (using the term loosely) I recognize a lot of soccer jerseys from the 905 area, Scarborough and other Toronto suburbs. Moving to Lamport may please the university crowd that I assume makes up a good portion of the Ultras, but I think attendance numbers would suffer (I know I'd only make a handful of games).

A lot of people in my neck of the woods (outside the GTA) won't even consider Argo's or Jay's games because of the pain of going into the city on a weeknight. I think there are enough pro sports that cater to the downtown crowd, the Lynx would have much less competition if they stuck to the fringes of T.O.

Now if they could only find a decent stadium...



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Lamport

by Free kick

Even if you install grass at Lamport the improvement of Lamport over the current facilities ( centenial and York) is only minimal. One can even argue that there is no improvement to the current facilities and that Lamport presents a new set of problems. I can already picture several balls flying over the south end net and on to King street west where the traffic is usually steady. Plus, when I think of a stadium solution, I am also thinking of a facility that the national teams can also use. Lamport can not be deemed an attractive venue for international matches by any stretch.

Tony




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We're talking club soccer.

by David Bailey

As a venue, certainly Lamport would leave much to be desired but at least it has reasonable washroom facilities, a reasonable press box, pretty good lighting and adequate dressing rooms.

It is a far superior facility to Centennial Park in those respects plus it has more than double the seating although, sadly, Centennial has more seating than the Lynx currently need.

If you want to think in terms of a facility fit for international matches, we have to start from scratch.



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"pain of going to the city on a weeknight"

by Tyler

The Skydome and ACC aren't exactly difficult to get to. This past spring I went to two Maple Leaf playoff games - both times without getting a ride from my parents.

GO Transit's train service is excellent despite its price. For occasional use the fees are acceptable. If I can get myself down to the middle of Toronto in an hour and a half from the top of Brampton then there's no excuse.

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I guess that's part of the problem...

by L.T.

You're right, it isn't that hard to get to the dome, but sometimes perception becomes reality...

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Official attendance at the Calgary-Indiana game was 1328.

by Krammerhead

That will change their average a bit.

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Thanx ... will note :)

by Jarrek

... Maybe Calgary is still the worst ...

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1565 T.O. no stadium excuses guys

by Storm

How can you only get 1565 avg in a city of millions regardless of garbage strikes or stadium locations?
Calgary has around 1600 avg (900,000 people)and we travel 1/2hr to 1hr to go to the games regardless of location. We have 2 wins and a brand new team. We don't make excuses to support our team no matter how poorly they perform and our stadium is the worst in the league I'd say.
No more excuse and let's just support our A-league teams no matter where they play.
The last Calgary game did draw 1328 as reported , not 1700. We probably are the lowest attendance but we expected that 1st year.

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Toronto Sucks for Soccer ...

by Jarrek

End of Story ...

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Cincinnatti has the worst stadium in the League.

by Krammerhead

They play in a fairgrounds on a converted cow pasture. Seattle plays in a stadium where the seats are covered in bird crap and the pitch is astroturf and rock hard. In Atlanta the seats are made of concrete slabs. They never bothered to put the actual seats on the slabs. There are plenty of crummy stadiums in the A-League, so I'd say Calgary's isn't the worst.

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PCSL & CPSL Merger Thoughts (delayed reply)

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[This is in reply to both WF and Luis so I figured I would start a new thread.]

I cannot really comment directly on what the CPSL wants to do as I have neither seen nor heard any proposal. They can say it is in "on" for 2003 if they like but what a truly sad commentary it would be on the organization if they basically cobbled together a "national" league in a couple of months.

Yes it could possibly work but more likely it would be handicapped from the start.

Do I think Victoria United should or could be involved?

Again it depends on what the proposal is. Are they speaking of a full-on "national" league with every team playing every team home and away or will we just continue along as before with some sort of end-of-season cup game for the "national" title? I assume any proposal would be somewhere in-between.

Well, we might lose several of our best players such as National Team players Liam Girard and Josh Simpson. They play at US Universities and if they played in a "professional" league their scholarship status would be in jeopardy. I do not think the CPSL is enough of a credibility jump to boost sponsorship and gate revenue to pay players enough to compensate for the loss of scholarships.

Also the question of American teams comes up since the PCSL has a very strong team in Seattle, a talented sophomore team in Skagit Valley and expressions of interst from Oregon. Do we lose the American teams or do we try to replicate what the USL is already doing. (It should be noted that at least one team in the current USL system wants to transfer to the PCSL.)

Overall I like the idea of some sort of linkage but a formal merger seems unneccesary and unless there is some sort of concrete benefit (ie: national sponsorship revenue) I cannot se the point.

Now, that said, an annual cup game (or home and home series or even a mini-tournament*) between the PCSL and CPSL would be great if sponsorship could be found to pay for the teams to travel to the final venue. Lets face it, Victoria will be stretching our resources to play in the JF Kennedy Cup in WA state next month. No way could we afford to travel to Ontario without financial assistance.

What comes out of most of my informal conversations with several Victoria United Directors is that they see the future as North-South. Traveling up and down the I-5 Corridor seems much more practical for our budgets than crossing the Rockies (let alone the Praries.)

As a proud Canadian I would love to see a national league. That does not mean I will just blindly vote yes to any proposal to create one.

Ted
Fort Victoria Voyageurs

* Mini-tournament - two-day knockout tournament with the PCSL Champs, Anderson (PCSL league) Cup winners, CSPL Champs and League Cup winners.


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Thank you for your thoughts

by Luis Rancagua

Ted, would you feel more satisfied if the soccer bureaucrats of the CPSL would come-out with a serious agenda on paper??? So far, everything about this issue is word of mouth.

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On paper or in person

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I would be glad to look at a proposal on paper or even better to attend a face-to-face meeting of PCSL Directors, clubs and CPSL Directors.

Ted
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CPSL: the way ahead

by ray

The CPSL has to complete what it started with expansion into Quebec. The priority for 2003 must be to bring in enough Quebec teams (3 or 4) to create a viable division with the Wizards and Dynamites. The Windsor-Quebec City corridor can still be further exploited and makes the most sense in terms of league play.

The CPSL/PCSL merger is of less importance if a National Club championship (Dominion Cup) is to be realized. Having the champions of the respective 2nd division leagues play each other at the end of the season would be nice but most people would rather see an F.A. Cup-style tournament in which CPSL and PCSL clubs would be involved anyway.

The points Ted raises (travel, NCAA eligibility) make it difficult to justify merging the two leagues at this time. However, I hope that growing soccer popularity will eventually make it a practical goal.

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Here the game report of NK Zagreb's last game

by Luis Rancagua

Still, NO mention of Johnny Sulentic. Unless he is still in try-outs with the club.

http://www.sportnet.hr/Stranica.asp?S=vijest&ID=198043

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Sulentic was with Rijeka

by Canadian in the USA

I was just on holiday in Croatia and followed what Sulentic was doing. He was with Zagreb for only a few days and moved on to NK Rijeka. He played in a game against Brotno while on trial there and the coached liked him according to the quotes in the papers, but I don't think he signed because of economics.
Check out NK Rijeka sites for any info on Sulentic.

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Pozniak played 90 in Orebro 1-0 away win at Kalmar, DeGuzman

by CDN-in-Leipzig

played 2nd half in Hannover friendly against Real Mallorca. Hannover won 3-1 scoring the final two goals in the 2nd half after the first ended 1-1. Nsaliwa played 90 minutes in Saarbrücken's season-opening 2-1 victory over Wehen.

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Hastings helped GAK beat Madrid

by Jeffrey S

Played the first half and GAK went up 2-0. Game ended 3-2 for the Austrian side. RM defence a disaster and GAK showed superior pace. Hastings held off all Madrid attacks on his side.

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How could I forget: Hastings plays first half against Real Madrid

by CDN-in-Leipzig

GAK surprisingly defeated RM 3-2 taking a 2-0 lead into the 2nd half and extending it to 3-0 before Real made it close. According to the GAK website, Hastings had a strong match, having to contend with Figo and Zidane who also played the first 45 minutes. GAK travelled after the game to Moldavia for their Champion's League on Wednesday against Tiraspol.

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Interesting not about the Champion's League match against Tiraspol

by CDN-in-Leipzig

GAK are staying in Chisinau about 70 km away from Tiraspol and will first play at the stadium ground during their warm-up. This is because Tiraspol is in the disputed region of Transnistrien which has declared its independence from Moldavia (it is largely Russian and Ukranian whereas the rest of the Moldavians are of Romanian origin). There independence has not been recognized by any other countries, however. Apparently it is too difficult to obtain the Visas required for this area and without a Visa one is allowed to stay only 3 hours there so they will be attempting to arrive and play the game in a 3 hour time period.

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GAK's Champions League rivals and more on Hastings

by Jeffrey S.

If they can get by these guys despite adverse conditions, playing second leg at home, they would meet Lokomotiv Moscow in the final prelim round. Tough team, though here too they would play the last leg at home. Making past them would mean a spot in the 1st playoff round, lucrative financially and for player exposure as they'd be sure to meet some heavyweights.

Good sign Hastings started, since this was the centennial game I thought they'd go with the veterans and oldtimers first as a courtesy. But no, a newcommer started in their 100th birthday match, meaning they value him as part of the team. And by the time Madrid started scoring he was off the field.

All I saw were highlights, and since GAK attacked the first half saw no Hastings. Every goal could be considered a defensive mishap, mind you the keeper was third string and a bit of a mess.

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Finally one these headlines where they WIN!

by James MacLeod

It seems to me most of the time these headlines come up they are in a loss.....

I don't think I am being pessimistic am I?

I just seem to remember it that way....


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Actually Orebro are tied for 3rd in Sweden (no Belotte this weekend)

by Jeffrey S.

Just three points off the lead with a game in hand, pending tonight's matches. Pretty good I'd say. And that is as the league hits the halfway point.

We may see Pozniak in UEFA next year if they stay on form.

Belotte's team Angleholms doesn't play until next weekend, the 3rd of August. Norrkopping who ceded him are dead last with 9 goals in 11 games. Why couldn't they at least have given him a chance?

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Peruvian Article: Interview with Irasto Knights in Peru

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Hey Voyageurs:

I thought of posting this article to follow Irasto Knights in Peru, even though he's doesn't play for the Canadian national team at any level, I thought it funny that the Peruvian press interviewed the man with intimate and bizarre questions, maybe some of you Voyageurs might find it interesting, but I'm assuming the TO Ultras would probably show more interest. Nevertheless here's the article translated by Nolberto S.

Article Title: With "Rasta" of a Champion.
Note: "Rasta in Peru is a slang meaning he has the look of a Champion"

Courtesy of: www.elbocon.com.pe

Alianza Atletico brought Irasto Knights, a Trinidad and Tobago futboler who consumes marijuana in religious ceremonies. He came to show that the Caribbeans play elegant futbol like Peru.

When the Lynx told him that he was going to be playing in Peru, he recalled the names of Nolberto Solano and Claudio Pizarro. That was the only thing he knew for a few days about Peru, this Trinadad and Tobago Forward, Irasto Knights, a rastafari who makes a living in the North American league and who yesterday signed a contract with Alianza Atlético.

Irasto, holding his big hat on his head, states that the style of play that he is used to playing is characterized by velocity and touch and go.

"I'm like the Jamaicans, I have lots of ability with the ball. They already told me that Peruvian futbol is not as fast as the North American game, on the contrary this sport is the most elegant, because it is more visually pleasing to watch and their are alot of touches between the players.

HIS LIFE

"In Trinidad, my first team as a professional was Caledonia. Also, I was on the national team of my country in 1998 and the following year they called me up on the Carribean All-star tournament, and with that team, we won the title against South Korea" says Irasto.

Irasto is not solely dedicated to futbol, in Canada, he not only played, but studied business administration and computer science. "I knew that, besides playing futbol, I should study something that were of my best interests. Also I read the Bible and other types of books that help me become a better person."

Besides ñol(Nolberto Solano's nickname by the press) and the Peruvian "Red Bomber" Claudio Pizarro, he knew other Peruvians . "In the Toronto Lynx, I played with Julio Penalillo and Diego Santillana, and they told me about the style of futbol played in Peru" stated Irasto.

HIS HABITS:

He's a vegetarian, doesn't drink alcohol, and in contrast to his Caribbean heritage, doesn't consume Cannabis. " The lifestyle of a Rasta is a form of life and not a religion. Our country's doctrine is peace, love, and World Unity. Religion only generates division and all that the rastas want is that we all should follow our own personal beliefs in life. "I don't like Rock, but I love Reggae, and hip hop, Bob Marley, Siggi Marley, Yellow Man and other Reggae musical artists. However, I do like Britney Spear's music.

He's only 25 years old and his teammates know him as "Oba". "I am a man who predicts peace and brotherly unity. I hope that within a few days I can bring my wife Nicole and my little girls Many and Shakira so they can live with me in Sullana.

What made you go to Peru?

In Canada, I played in a semi-professional league and what I wanted to play was midfield, where I could better communicate and distribute the balls to the players with greater experience than myself. Moreover, I am eager to learn the Peruvian futbol style.

How are you going to cope with the language in Peru?

Well I’ll have to learn slowly, since I don’t speak one word of Spanish. I have a dictionary and a book that I studied in College, but I know that I won’t have any difficulties, because the language of futbol is universal.

What do you think about Peru?

The climate is okay. The cold climate in Trujillo is not affecting me, because in Canada, the temperature is much colder than this country. It’s because of these reasons that I don’t need to wear a sweater, because I feel like it’s summer. The city does not feel foreign to me, because it reminds me a lot of Trinidad and Tobago.

Have you played in other countries?

During my career, I played in the USA, Canada, and almost all leagues in the Caribbean, France, England, and South Korea.

Do you smoke marijuana?

Firstly, I am an athlete, therefore I don’t see any reason to smoke. I only smoke in religious ceremonies. Moreover, I have to take care of my body, because I’m a vegetarian.

Here's his picture when he arrived in Peru.



and here's his picture from yesterday, where he debuted.



Sincerely,

Nolberto S.


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Distribute the ball?!?!

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Ahahahah, He wanted to play midfield so he can pass the ball, he didnt pass the whole season with us

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It would be nice to see a Canadian in these South American Leagues

by Luis Rancagua

Aside from Tony Menezes, who once played in South America, it would be nice to see Canadians in South American leagues.

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Knights: Consumes marijuana in religious ceremonies ?

by Jarrek

Who would of thought ? No wonder he left ...



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Thank god he wasnt

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Here durring World Youth Day (week) it would of cost him a paycheck or two to keep going

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he sounds like a space cadet ... lol glad he's gone ... distribute the ball lol haha

by Tyler

nm

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Britney Spears?!?!

by WatfordFan

Irasto likes Britney Spears? Geez, his "religious ceremonies" must be rather frequent these days!

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HE DIDN'T SAY HE LIKES BRITNEY SPEARS

by Anonymous

HE SAID HE LIKES SOME OF HER SONGS

Posted on Jul 30, 2002, 7:15 PM
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Calgary Sun: By Gosh, it's Bosch

by Winnipeg Fury

By gosh, it's Bosch

By JEAN LEFEBVRE, CALGARY SUN

 Calgary Storm fans could be forgiven for thinking their team, mired in an 18-game winless slide, would never again taste victory.
Heck, for more than an hour yesterday at Foothills Park, there was growing suspicion the Calgary side wouldn't score another goal in what has been a trying first season in the A-League.
But wait ... who's that coming to the rescue? Why it's Kurt Bosch, by gosh.
With one magical stroke of his foot, the Storm midfielder brought a little sunshine into a stormy season. The University of Alberta product's spectacular bicycle-kick goal in the 67th minute snapped a scoreless tie and lifted the Storm to a 3-0 victory over the Indiana Blast.
Until Bosch's highlight-reel effort, it had been a frustrating afternoon for Calgary.
"We must have had about 20 chances there," offered Storm coach Tommy Wheeldon, who picks up his first victory in six tries since replacing the axed Thomas Niendorf. "The 'keeper was making saves, the ball went off the post, it was hitting our own players, going up the line."
Brett Bachelu, up from the prospect team, had a handful of gilt-edged scoring chances while Conrad Chala, Nick Zuniga and Hilaire Kamdem also had near-misses.
"I didn't think it was going to happen," admitted Wheeldon. "It took something special from Kurt Bosch."
"It's funny," remarked midfielder Jamie Auvigne, who netted the second goal, "because it was the most difficult chances that we put in."
Bosch's over-the-head kick from outside the box curved majestically and found a corner behind lunging Blast 'keeper Mark Spears.
"It was just one of those ones that was set up perfectly," shrugged Bosch. "I thought the way the day was going, I might as well try it. Fortunately, it went in for me.
"Anytime you score a goal like that and a goal that helps your team go on to a win, it's definitely something you'll remember for a long time."
The Storm's first win since May 4 -- and just their second of the season -- came against the team with the league's second-worst record. On the other hand, the dead-last Storm were without Chris Lemire, Waldo Dutra and Nikolas Ledgerwood, who are on duty with national and provincial teams, and captain Damir Jesic, who was serving a suspension.
"It's been a very, very difficult week," acknowledged Wheeldon, who lost three other players when they were recalled by the Hamilton Thunder, "and we've overcome it with the youngsters coming up from the (development team)."
Kamdem, one of the recalls, closed out the scoring for Calgary. Wojtek Zarzycki posted the shutout in his last Storm apperance as he, too, returns to Hamilton.
The Storm are back in action tomorrow night at Foothills with a 6:30 p.m. game against the Toronto Lynx.


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Would it be too hard for these reporters to report the attendance? (nm)

by Krammerhead



Posted on Jul 29, 2002, 6:33 PM
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Depends

by Jeremy

Depends on the time of day and whether it's available, whether they get an agate (small print) page rundown from the organizers -- there are a lot of factors. You can't just use the announced crowd because it often differs from the tally they (sometimes) hand out after the game and is generally considered unreliable. Plus, if the writer is a soccer fan, he may have left it out just to prevent the non-fan public from getting the impression that few people watch soccer in Canada.

Posted on Jul 30, 2002, 1:12 PM
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Any good youth league in the Toronto Area?. Please reply to this one

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is there any good youth soccer league in the GTA area?? where can i find the information?? please help thx

Posted on Jul 29, 2002, 1:56 AM
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Good things come to those that wait...

by SR

Here is the link to the Ontario Youth League.

http://www.oyslsoccer.com/

Posted on Jul 29, 2002, 8:46 AM
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Any good youth league in the Toronto Area?

by FreeMan

hi, i am 17, is there any good soccer league i can join in the GTA area?

Posted on Jul 29, 2002, 1:54 AM
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Sad State of Polish Football ...

by Jarrek

Check out this 20,000 seater stadium in Poznan Poland ...

BEFORE



AFTER







VERY Sad ...

Posted on Jul 29, 2002, 12:51 AM
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ouch...that IS real sad (nm)

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Posted on Jul 29, 2002, 1:42 AM
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Did they take a Canadian approach to upkeeping this stadium? (nm)

by Krammerhead

????

Posted on Jul 29, 2002, 1:55 AM
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Of course ...

by Jarrek

Next step is to get rid of the stadium all together and replace it with high priced condominums.

Posted on Jul 29, 2002, 9:59 AM
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