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TIME FOR N. AMERICAN CDN TEAM SUGGESTIONS (MId Season)

by Ian Kennett

HEllo, All.

At the start of the A-League season, I posted a suggested roster for a North American based Canadian B Team which the CSA, or more realistically we the armchairs coaches of Canada, could use to find 2 or 3 guys who ought to get a chance with Canada's full squad. Remember, the criteria are as follows.

1) The player must be eligible for Canada.
2) The player must be playing in North America (any league).
3) While the player can be capped for Canada, he must not be a current member of the full national squad, or he must not have been included on the national team in the last year or so (so, Martin Nash, for example, would not be eligible for this B team as he played vs Switzerland and he looks to be in the squad for now).

So, who are your choices??? Here are mine.

Theo Zagar GK Lynx
Robbie Aristodemo MF Lynx
Nicola Budalic F Lynx
Adrian Serioux D/M Lynx
Chris Franks D/M Whitecaps
Steve Kindel M/F Whitecaps
Jeff Clarke D/M Whitecaps (played briefly v Switzerland)
Geordie Lyall D Whitecaps (not yet fully fit - injury)
Mauro Biello F Impact
Rick Titus D/M Rapids
Patrice Bernier M Impact
Chris Lemire F Storm

Lynx, Storm, Impact, and Whitecaps fans - Who have I missed (since I do not get to see any A- League team other than the Whitecaps)??


Cheers!
Ian


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You forgote DeRosario (nm)

by Rudi

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Perhaps I should have read the full post before jumping in...

by Rudi

Didn't see the "should not be current international" stipulation.

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I guess you have to give Jason Jordan a shot.

by Krammerhead

But only if he brings his game up to where it was when he thought he was MLS bound.

Good to see Jeff Clarke on that list, hopefully the Vancouver coach will decide to put him in the starting 11 soon. Last Sunday he came on at halftime and scored a goal and an assist.

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Yes definitely

by Ed

Looked the most dangerous player for Vancouver when they visited Calgary on July 1st.

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re : Team Canada B

by Impact supporter

Where would they play? Would other nations WANT to play against a B squad? Besides other nations, would this B squad paly against MLS and USL clubs?


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The last time Canada fielded a B-team was...

by Mike D

...in the summer of 1999. The team was made up North American-based members of the U-23 Olympic team, bolstered by a few overaged North American-based professionals (I'm sure one of them was Paolo Ceccarelli and I think Chris Franks was another.)

The B-team played in and won a tournament in St. Kitts against the St. Kitts and Nevis national side and Bradford City, who'd just been promoted to the English Premier League. I forget how we did. For Bradford it was pre-season training. For our U-23s it was preparation for the Pan-Am Games in Winnipeg (where we finished fourth) and, later, Olympic Qualifying.

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Just to clarify...

by Mike D

...I meant to say I forget how we specifically did in either match, although I recall Canada having won the tournament...

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Clarification

by soccerbalz

Here are Canada's results from that tourney, and yes Canada did win the tourney.

Canada 3-0 Bradford
Canada 1-1 St.Kitts & Nevis

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Some others.....

by Impact supporter

Greg Sutton GK Impact
Patrick Leduc D/M Impact
Ali N'Gon F Riverhounds
Gabriel Gervais D Impact

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Three more Whitecaps names to be added

by another fan

Niall Thompson, David Morris and Alfredo Valente


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Not Biello

by Daniel

Over the hill, we can have someone better in his spot. Hasn't shown much in 2001 and 2002.

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Rick Titus (nm)

by b

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Nick Ledgerwood........................

by Jack

before he is Europe bound. I would take him before Lemire of the Storm (though I think both should be there).

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KEEP YOUR CHOICES COMING FOR N. AMERICAN BASED CDN TEAM. (See Above) (nm)

by Ian Kennett

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How about Pizzolitto, Kojic, Borsellino,Zarzycki...

by Dave Carmichael

and Elvis Thomas as possible members of this fantasy Canada B team.

In net I 'd go with Greg Sutton, Theo Zagar and Wojtek Zarzycki as young backup.

On defence I would include Nevio Pizzolitto, Rick Titus, Adrian Serioux, Milan Kojic, Chris Franks, Gabriel Gervais,and maybe young defenders Orlin Chalmers and Adam Braz.

As for midfield I would have Jeff Clarke, Patrice Bernier, Steve Kindel, Alfredo Valente, Chris Lemire, Rob Aristodemo, maybe some older guys such as Mauro Biello and Kevin Holness just for their experience.

Some younger players to consider for midfield roles could be Nick Ledgerwood, Nicholas Zuniga, Waldemar Dutra, Gordie Chin and Rocco Placentino.

Up front I would include Niki Budalic, Jason Jordan,Ali Ngon, Niall Thompson,, Gaspare Borsellino, and Elvis Thomas

My starters in a 3-5-2 lineup would be as follows:

Sutton in net

Pizzolitto Franks Serioux

Clarke Titus

Lemire Valente

Aristodemo

Budalic Jordan

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A couple of notes

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It's hard to judge based on how little I see from the other players but I think I'll make the case for a few Lynx players whove been particularly good this season aside from the usual faces like Aristodemo, Serioux, Zagar, etc.

Nikki Budalic - Striker
This guy is absolutely incredible, and has a serious upside. I can see this guy playing for the full team in a couple years if things go his way. He's a solid finisher who passes rather well. And his scoring record this year (one of the top scorers in the a-league on a sub 500 team) speaks for itself.

Joe Mattachione - Defender
I think I got the spelling right but this guy has been fantastic this year, a very solid stay at home defender who can distribute pretty well from the back. Plus he's the only Lynx player to ever appear on TSNs Off The Record, and that has to count for something.

Shawn Faria - Midfield
A new kid on the Lynx team this year and very much an unsung hero in midfield. A holding defensive midfielder (yeah, I know, Canada has a few of em) is very solid on the ball and wins his fair share of tackles. A very interesting and solid player, not incredibly spectacular but a very good player to keep the game tidy.

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2003 Under XX Draws...

by Gordon

Canada looks to have done alright. Under 20 in US with Host, but avoids the hostile C.A. environment/crowds. U-17 in Canada with Mexico and others.

Draws held to determine groups for final U-20, U-17 tournaments

16.07.02 - Draws were held Tuesday for the final competitions of the Football Confederation’s Under-20 Youth Tournament and Under-17 Junior Tournament, which will determine the FC’s representatives to the FIFA world championships next year.
In both competitions, a pair of final tournaments with four teams each will be held in two different locations. At both levels, the final tournaments together consist of the three North Zone countries, three countries from the Central Zone and two qualifiers from the Caribbean Zone.

At the under-20 level, the top two in each final tournament will advance to the FIFA World Youth Championship, to be held in the United Arab Emirates in March 2003. In the under-17 category, the winner of each FC final will advance to FIFA Under-17 World Championship Finland 2003, with the second-place teams in each meeting to determine CONCACAF’s third berth available.

The Confederation’s two finals in the Under-20 Youth Tournament will be held in the USA (13-17 November 2002) and Panama (16-20 October 2002). Drawn alongside the USA were Canada, the second-place team in Central Zone qualifying, and Caribbean Zone group B/C. Competing in Panama will be Mexico, the winner of Central Zone qualifying, and Caribbean Zone group A/D.

The two FC final tournaments in the Under-17 Junior Tournament will take place in Guatemala (5-9 March 2003) and Canada (26-30 March 2003). Taking part in Guatemala along with the host country will be USA, the winner of Central Zone group A, and Caribbean Zone group B/C. Drawn alongside Canada were Mexico, Central Zone group B winner, Caribbean Zone group A/D.

FC UNDER-20 YOUTH TOURNAMENT – FINAL COMPETITIONS
GROUP A: 16.20.10.2002 (Panama): PANAMA, MEXICO, 1st place CENTRAL, winner CARIBBEAN A/D
GROUP B: 13-17.11.2002 (USA): USA, CANADA, 2nd place CENTRAL, winner CARIBBEAN B/C

FC UNDER-17 JUNIOR TOURNAMENT – FINAL COMPETITIONS
GROUP A: 05-09.03.2003 (Guatemala): GUATEMALA, USA, CENTRAL A, winner CARIBBEAN B/C

GROUP B: 26-30.03.2003 (Canada): CANADA, MEXICO, CENTRAL B, winner CARIBBEAN A/D





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Great stuff!!!!!

by Free kick

I was actually waiting for this info to come out since the tournament is only 3 months away. Given that the WC is over this should be the next big event for us. Wanted to see which group we get drawn into and it looks like Our team will be in tough against the home side americans but it will be interesting to see who the other two teams in our group.

Can anyone out there from the media who is reading this, confirm whether or not this tournament will be televised again.

Also, I see no mention of the location of the tournament. Wouldn't Columbus Ohio be great ( ie.: a short distance from S Ontario).

Tony


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Hopefully...

by DJT

...by your statement "given that the WC is over this should be the next big event for us" you are referring only to the men?

If you (I mean "you" in general) take a moment to think about it (and less about the WC and WCQ obsession), there is a heck of a lot of stuff going on for Canadian national teams:

2002
- August: U19 WWC
- October/November: Women's Gold Cup / WWCQ
- November: U20 WCQ

2003
- March: U17 WCQ
- March/April: U20 WC (hopefully)
- July: Gold Cup
- August: U17 WC (hopefully)
- September/October: WWC (hopefully)

In addition there's Olympic qualifying --- is there a draw/date for this yet?

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I forgot one

by DJT

2003
- August: Pan-American Games (in Dominican Republic)

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OT Kirk Johnson: Whore and Family Should Read This

by DRC

I don't know about this writer. Why slam Joe Canadian (one of the most successful marketing campaigns in Cdn history) and what's with the Kirk Canadian? title (re question mark).

When he's introduced in the ring the promoters want to say he's from Dallas or NJ but he's announced from North Preston, Nova Scotia not Halifax but North Preston. Pretty cool!!!!

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Kirk Canadian?

Win against Ruiz would bring new marketing spin for boxer

By MIKE KOREEN -- Toronto Sun
Watch out Joe Canadian.

If Molson's decides to make any more of those annoying "I am Canadian" commercials, boxer Kirk Johnson -- a native of North Preston, N.S. -- is a perfect candidate for the lead role.

The nationality theme was front and centre yesterday during a news conference call yesterday to hype Johnson's WBA heavyweight title fight against champion John Ruiz (37-4-1, 27 knockouts) July 27 in Las Vegas.

"(IBF and WBC heavyweight champion) Lennox Lewis moved to Canada from Britain and I agree 100% that he (represents Britain)," said Johnson (32-0-1, 23 KO's), the favourite in Las Vegas. "I didn't move here from Britain. I'm an African-Canadian. I'm very proud to be Canadian. It's very important that people see what I am (Canadian) because I'm not from anywhere else."

If Johnson beats Ruiz, as he predicted yesterday, promoter Dino Duva is planning to take the fighter on a cross-country promotional tour. Duva said he would love to have Johnson defend the WBA title in Canada, but refused to speculate about a fight against Lewis.

"We're going to really build Kirk up and make the whole country proud of him," Duva said. "We're going to make Canada the focal point and the base of Kirk as the heavyweight champion ... We're looking forward to Kirk bringing the heavyweight title back to Canada."

At least one heavy -weight title. Though Lewis is the king of heavyweights, Johnson, who has trained in Dallas for the past year, doesn't think the WBA title is a consolation prize.

"Muhammad Ali had this title, Sugar Ray Robinson had this title and when I have this title, I'll be a champion just like they were," said Johnson, who has not fought since July 7, 2001, when he won a 12-round decision over Larry Donald. "When I win this title, (people) will have no choice but to respect me."

Johnson doesn't have worldwide respect because he lacks victories against big-name opponents.

"The only reason I'm in this position (to fight Ruiz) is because I'm the only undefeated (ranked) heavyweight fighter on the planet today," Johnson said.

Ontario Athletics commissioner Ken Hayashi said he hasn't talked with Duva about a possible Johnson fight in this province. Lewis, however, told the Toronto Sun last year he would like to fight Johnson. Lewis also said he is interested in fighting at the Air Canada Centre.




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Joe Canadian

by David Bailey

They are annoying. In fact they are bloody annoying. I can't stand them and I hope they disappear forever in the not too distant future.

It's pure Canadian crap that we feel that we have to always be differentiating ourselves. We don't need to. It's unnecessary.

We do live in the greatest country on the face of the earth but that fact that we are so paranoid about our own status says little for us.

Good riddance to Joe Canadian!

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Agree with everything except...

by DRC

that we are very uncomfortable with showing any amount of patriotism. I'm not saying the commercial spots were meant to be something they're not, after all they are selling beer but to be so overly uncomfortable with the greatness of this country is kinda neurotic.

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I didn't say that ...

by David Bailey

... and I hope I didn't imply it. Sure, we have a more difficult time of being overly patriotic than do Americans but look around the world and I'd say the Americans are more overtly patriotic than anybody else right now.

It helps when you're the only superpower.

We can show ourpatriotism but we do it at the appropriate times such as the singing of Oh Canada in the last minute of the men's hockey final at Salt Lake City.

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Patriotism

by TGJM

Yes, I know you didn't say nor imply about us not showing patriotism. I was just making a general observation and certainly wasn't calling you neurotic either. I will reserve that for those on this board who are more deserving, and you and I both know who that is.

I will differ with your reply, however, as you are comparing us to the Americans and, hell, I was comparing us to anybody. Situations as you described are few and far between and does the game have to be over and won to show it?

Peace out

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I guess we have to face facts!

by David Bailey

We're shy!

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My God!!

by TGJM

You've uncovered the secret of the Canadian inferiority complex. Nobel Prizes to us!!! Yessssss!

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Thank You,

by David Bailey

Thank you very much.

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Sad thing is..................

by Jack

it was an American firm that came up with the "Joe Canadian" campaign for Molson.

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Paypal - V-cup

by JayWay

Why don't we set up a paypal account so people can easily donate through credit card. Much easier, much quicker, and gosh darnit it helps the enviroment.

Posted on Jul 16, 2002, 4:15 PM
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WF ... do we have time?

by Jarrek

I can set a account up .. .of course portions of the donations will go to PayPal ... it might be worth it though ...


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What is Paypal?

by Free kick

Will this leave a paper trail? Create taxable interest? will there need to be accountabilities assigned as a result?

Things top consider.

Tony

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Go for it!

by David Bailey

I love Paypal and hate snail mail (all those bills and things!).

When you've got you're account up, let me know. Hell, you could even use it to sell your merchandise.

My Voyageurs jockey shorts are getting pretty ratty!



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Read the Fine Print

by Patrick

From friends of mine who do a lot of e-baying it appears to be very difficult to actually withdraw money from a pay pal account. It is easy to use it on other pay pal transactions but not so easy to get as cash. So unless the trophy vendor happens to take pay pal this may not be the best idea.

Posted on Jul 16, 2002, 7:14 PM
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What about emailing money?

by Mark

Here's a release from TD Canada Trust about emailing money:

Important Messages


Introducing Email Money Transfer Service!
June 26 2002

EasyWeb now offers Email Money Transfer service - a new and exciting way to send money to friends and family. With Email Money Transfer service you can send money directly from your TD Canada Trust personal bank account to anyone with an email address and a bank account at a Canadian financial institution for just $1.50*.

Special Offer
Send money FREE for a limited time. We'll waive the service fee of $1.50 per transfer* until October 1, 2002.

To send money, all you need is the recipient's email address. An email message tells the recipient the money is ready and the transfer then takes place safely and securely.

To learn more about this new service, click here.

Register now!
To register for Email Money Transfer service, click 'Payments & Transfers' at the top of this page, then click 'Email Money Transfer' on the left side of the page. After reading the information, click the 'Register Now!' button at the bottom of the page.

Email Money Transfer - the fast, easy, and convenient way to send money.

* Plus any applicable account transaction fees.
¯ Regular account transaction fees apply.


Here's the link relating to it, FAQ

https://www.tdcanadatrust.com/easyweb5/help/banking/acc00237.htm


P.S. I'm not responsible if this screws up or anything like that, it's just a suggestion and those involved with the Cup should read things over carefully before deciding to do this.


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We should be alright for now...

by Winnipeg Fury

but it's something we should look at in the future if we are to launch a few projects like recognizing media, Canadian top goal-scorer, Voyageur Cup, etc...

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So does that mean emailing money is out?

by Mark

I'd like to make a donation within my student means, however, I don't have cheques and I don't know if cash will get there in the mail.

I'd like to know if there's a way to get some money in.

Thanks

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Re: So does that mean emailing money is out?

by Winnipeg Fury

If your a student and you don't have cheques, don't worry about it.

All cash that has been sent to date has arrived, but I wouldn't recomend it.

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I think if we set for Credit Card we may get more donations...

by Moosehead

I seem to use my credit card for most things.

Posted on Jul 16, 2002, 9:43 PM
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Who has not donated to the V Cup.

by Moosehead

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I sent the cheque a couplke of days ago..

by DoyleG

Should be on it's way.

Posted on Jul 18, 2002, 2:44 AM
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Money where the mouth is...

by Gordon

...just dropped a cheque for $200 in the mail destined for Voyageurs Cup, hopefully this will start triggering some of the other pledges for similar amounts. I agree with Jarrek that we should go big on this and get an eye catching trophy so I am putting some money where the old mouth is. I like to think that this little initiative could become a good vehicle to promote Canadian professional soccer and the Voyageurs generally. I would encourage everyone to donate if they have not or dig a little deeper if you can.

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PS...

by Gordon

...did anyone else picture a Bartles & James bottle when Winnipeg Fury first suggest a "wine cooler" style?

Posted on Jul 16, 2002, 3:30 PM
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WELL DONE, EXCELLENT THANK YOU.

by Moosehead

TOP CLASS ACT. YET HAVE DEFINATELY SET THE STANDARD.

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You are the man

by

Im gonna see what i can muster up for friday, The ultras are gonna try to get another collection going so we can send some decent cash out there.....

Your a good man gordie!

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i think Gordon deserves his own Cup....

by Mooshead

for such a generous donation.



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Whoa..

by Gordon

...lets not get carried away. I am fortunate enough to be established in a good job, have many breaks go my way over the years and be the lowest paid adult in my house. Lets keep in mind ability to pay. I am sure that some of the students and unemployed/underemployed who have contributed have made contributions relatively more significant.

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And don't forget

by Offsider

those who live off a pension cheque and those who first help the poor, the hungry and the sick. God bless you.

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Wow ...

by Jarrek

What can I say ... lets hope we can get the best cup possible !!!



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To Where and to Whom Does One Send a Cheque? (nm)

by Ian Kennett

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send to Dwayne Cole at....

by Moosehead

Voyageurs Cup

if you wish to contribute please send your donation (cheque) to:
Dwayne Cole
982 Garwood Ave
Winnipeg, MB
R3M - 1N7

The Voyageurs Cup will be a trophy that is presented to the best Canadian A-League side at the end of the regular A-League season. Currently we are gathering donations to fund the purchase of the cup.

The deadline for contributions is Friday July the 19th!





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You think its safe to send cash in the mail?

by Rudi

I don't have any more cheques (rarely use them, never bothered to order more when they ran out) but would like to contribute a humble sum.

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I did

by Tyler

granted they were both small amounts - only $20. (WF that second one should arrive in a few days as it was just mailed out today.)

Just fold it into some paper and use a heavy envelope.

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to bad London Laser, London Ontario Soccer Fan, Mad Cap Mac, Soccer Hooligan....

by Moosehead

are no longer around for donations.

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btw...

by Reza

where is MCM anyways? haven't seen him around in ages on this board? quite a Canoehead in the stadium for sure!



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MCM Still alive

by

He comes out to Victoria United games but due to his young family and spotty internet access I guess he has little ability to participate here.

I will email him about the cup stuff (and try to send a cheque myself before Friday.)

Ted
Fort Victoria Voyageurs

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Yikes

by DJT

That's really taking it up a few notches! Very generous of you, Gordon. (From your other post, I trust not too generous.)

This is going to take us very close to $800... and then M@ has to pay up!

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Done and Done

by

My cheque's going in the mail today. I'm surprised but very, very happy to be writing it out. Well done, guys. Not many organizations that are so decentralized could make this kind of thing happen so quickly. I'm hoping the teams understand what a huge thing this is for soccer in Canada.


Allez les Rouges,
M@

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DD scores the first...

by Winnipeg Fury

in a 2-0 exhibition victory over the Minnesota Thunder.

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Link to Story

by Ed

Dwayne scored another 'highlight reel goal' according to this releasea.
Go way down to the Game stats to see a surprise Canuck appearance in the 65th minute for the Earthquakes.
http://www.mnthunder.com/news/default.asp?id=726

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Maki: G and M - Maki: Truant star only hurts himself

by David Bailey

This is a fine article.

http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/sports/RTGAM/20020715/wmaki15/Sports/sportsBN/breakingnews-sports

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Fair and informed (nm)

by Winnipeg Fury

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For those who STILL didnt know....World Tour Soccer 2002...is still the greatest...

by al

i just scored a magical header with FC Copenhagen in the 92 minute to upset Barca in a exhibition....

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Charmaine Hooper on TSN's Off The Record Tonight ...

by Jarrek

Canadian soccer star Charmaine Hooper and long drive champion Mike Weibe join Michael for the hottest talk show in Canada, Tuesday at 6pm et/3pm pt.

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National Post: Canada Fields its Present and Future

by Winnipeg Fury

Canada fields its present and future

Strikers young, old to take on Norway in women's soccer
 
Bruce Arthur
National Post


TORONTO - For Charmaine Hooper, this week is a bit of a scheduling nightmare. For Kara Lang, it is a previously unimagined dream.

The two members of Canada's women's soccer team, separated by nearly 19 years and worlds of experience, will come together for tomorrow's friendly against Olympic gold-medal-winning Norway (Centennial Stadium in Etobicoke, Ont., at 7 p.m. EDT).

For teammates, the two could hardly diverge more. Hooper, 34, of Ottawa, is the bedrock of Canada's national team, having played since the program's inception in 1987. She is the national team's all-time leader in goals with 48, and in caps, with 82. For many, the all-star forward for the WUSA's Atlanta Beat is the game in this country.

"Charmaine has lived a hard life for 20 years," said Canadian head coach Even Pellerud. "She has been the lone profile in Canadian soccer."

Lang, on the other hand, is a 15-year-old phenom from Oakville, Ont., who won't turn 16 until October and is playing her first international in front of a home crowd.

In March, she made history by becoming the youngest woman ever to play and to score in an international match. She bettered American icon Mia Hamm by playing against Wales last year at the Algarve Cup in Portugal at the precocious age of 15 years, 130 days, making her nine days younger than Hamm on her debut. In all, Lang has six goals in seven games for Canada.

"Sometimes I step back and think, 'What am I doing here?' " Lang said yesterday. "A lot of the time [when I do well], I'm astonished."

So this week contrasts the present and, perhaps, the future of Canadian women's soccer.

Being the future seems easier, however. One day after playing a WUSA match against New York, Hooper flew into Toronto Sunday, practised yesterday and did media interviews, and will lead Canada against Norway tomorrow night. Then she'll fly back to Atlanta to play for the Beat Saturday against Boston. Oh, and Sunday, she's getting married.

"I'm pretty much out of it, yeah," she said yesterday with a smile and slightly glazed eyes. She's handling the arrangements for the wedding to her boyfriend of 12 years, an assistant soccer coach at Northwestern University.

The bright-eyed Lang has no such bridal burdens. Her biggest worry may be fatigue, or inexperience against one of the top sides in the world, or a sudden crush of media attention. But she's not worried.

"I don't think," she says sunnily, "That this will ever get old."

© Copyright 2002 National Post



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The future of women soccer in Canada

by Luis Rancagua

It has been mentioned on this site that the CPSL will be launching in 2004 a women's league (WCPSL). They even mentioned that already 14-teams are interested in joining this league.

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Someone else posted...

by DRC

and I'll say it again. Why are they forgetting the real deal - Sinclair?

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It's the National Post

by Ed

Which of course covers all things bright and beautiful in the GTA. I've had to threaten to go over to the Sun here in Calgary as they kept increasing my recycling woes by including the (NOT)NATIONAL POST with my local paper.

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The irony is that...

by matthew

Bruce is actually from Vancouver.

This is still progress for the national post it's Canadian soccer rather than the AP story about Rangers against River Plate in New York or something.

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We shouldn't complain ...

by Bill Spiers

... Charmaine Hooper and Kara Lang make for a good story and it's nice to get some media attention for the game.

I agree, if the media did more research, they could come up with some other good stories - such as Sinclair.

They could also have mentionned Ashley McGhee who could get her first cap on Wednesday. She is a former stand-out for the Ontario Provincial Teams. Haven't heard anything about her for a few years - guess she has been at university in the States - also playing for Hampton Roads in the W-League.

She played well in a warm-up game last Friday at the Nottawasaga Inn. Hope she gets a chance to show what she can do with the National Team.


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Canada vs. Norway less than 24 hours

by Griffon

I agree with you Bill,

Hooper and Lang make for good press... (Albeit the press usually gets something wrong, Under 19 Women's World Cup being played in Vancouver, Victoria and "CALGARY")??? Unless of course Norm Da Costa was making reference to the U19’s playing Brazil on the 11th of August in Calgary… Someone else made reference to the lack of research that reporters do!

The youngster made reference to Sinclair and has noticeably included many of her team mates in her interviews (that's refreshing).

It is the media that dictates what the sport story
is going to be, and as you said, at least we got press.

What kind of Press did we get on the West Coast? Hopefully they are touting their own local players; there are certainly enough of them representing us tomorrow night, both veterans and newcomers.



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Canucks (and one bum) in Germany Update

by Ed

I think this is Maycoll Canizales warming up for the Werder Bremen amateurs:



Paul Stalteri and his mates face Glasgow Celtic in a friendly on Friday. Today they have their last kick-about style friendly against a 4th div Austrian side.
Tomorrow, Tam Nsaliwa and FC Saarbrucken face French 2nd division side AS Nancy in a preseason tournament in the Saarland. Victor Oppong is still listed with the Saarbrucken amateur side, hopefully he'll get a look with the full side when he's match fit.

Finally, the outspoken Stefan Effenberg who blasted the welfare bums in Germany a couple of months ago is -- you guessed it --- unemployed.

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Yes. That is certainly Maycoll Canizales

by Luis Rancagua

(nm)

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hey Luis, donated to the V. Cup?....

by Moosehead

Hopefully, all donors names will be inscribed on the Cup.

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I always said so....

by klaus

and guess what...
he is so full of himself by claiming that he has his eyes set outside Germany...
where else would he look?
Watch him end up with the Metro Stars!


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De Guzman in Italy next week

by DJT

Next Tuesday Hannover 96 will participate in the Wuerth Trophy triangular tournament (45-minute matches) in Bolzano, Italy along with Lazio and Napoli.

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Getting a kick out of Hargreaves

by George

Getting a kick out of Hargreaves: Elusive Owen snubs scheduled press conference

By TERRY JONES -- Edmonton Sun

CALGARY -- At least it wasn't a $15,000 trip to Japan, 10 hours of return train travel, a $350 second hotel room and a $300 car and driver to not talk to Owen Hargreaves.

No, this time it was only six hours of driving, no hotel room and no per diem to not talk to Owen Hargreaves.

Yesterday was supposed to be the day. The Sphinx would speak. The born-and-raised-in-Calgary starter on England's World Cup soccer squad would lift his Canadian media ban and talk to Canada. Big press conference. Press kit. Picture. Gift Bayern Munich shirt. His dad. His agent ...

No Owen Hargreaves.

The press release read: "Due to unexpected circumstances, Owen's employer FC Bayern asked Owen to take the next plane back to Germany. Owen therefore had to take last night's plane back to Munich and cannot be present for today's press conference. We are aware that this will cause some of you great inconvenience and hence would like to apologize. We are very sorry to have to cancel the press conference. As well as for you, the press conference was very important to us.''

MAKING A STATEMENT

The statement was from Esther Whybra of Bayern Munich, which had called the press conference in the first place. Agent Roman Grill, who flew to Calgary from Germany Saturday to attend, and Hargreaves's dad Colin were left holding the bag.

Exclusive! Hargreaves' Dad Speaks!

Hey, his dad has been Quoteless Colin all this time, too.

"They're having a camp in Frankfurt and they phoned and said, 'We want you back now,' '' said Colin.

According to the club, he'd also been called back because of the death Saturday of the team's former manager, Robert Schwan.

"Owen was here in Calgary. We'd just returned from a family holiday together in Mexico. We thought this was the ideal time to have a press conference. He was home. It was the day after the Stampede ... He received the phone call and just said, 'I can't. I've got to go.' ''

Grill said they wanted to do it right.

"It was the first time ever that Owen would speak to the Canadian media. You were going to be able to talk to him one-on-one. Ask him everything. He wanted to show respect.''

Both his agent and his dad both said the midfielder no longer harbours any sore feelings against Canadians who suggested (on soccer Internet chat lines, not in the media) that he was a traitor for deciding to play for England instead of Canada.

"He was a young player at the World Cup under a lot of emotional and physical pressure. This is why he wanted to do it now. He's very respectful of Canada.''

I don't feel sorry for Hargreaves. Never met the guy. But now that I've met his dad, I did feel sorry for him. He seems like a genuinely nice guy.

"This would have been a great presentation,'' he said.

"I don't give interviews. I'm a very private person,'' he said as he was forced to stand in for his son.

Colin said he didn't get to watch Owen play in person at the World Cup because he didn't arrive until the quarter-final against Brazil, due to not having holiday time to go earlier. Owen, who started England's first two games, was injured against Argentina. He didn't play against Brazil.

"We did go to the banquet after the game. We were there with all the parents and the players,'' he said of his wife and his two other sons.

He said going to Old Trafford in Manchester, England, to watch his son play for Bayern Munich against Manchester United was how he used up the rest of his holiday time. Colin is from nearby Bolton.

"I met up with some of my old friends and cousins and Owen played the whole game and played well. I think that game helped him get selected.''

WONDERFUL CELEBRATION

Colin said it was wonderful the way Canada celebrated his son in the World Cup.

"I got a lot of positive feedback. I'm very proud of Owen. He's done exceptionally well. I have a lot of respect for Sven-Goran Eriksson. It took some guts for him to pick Owen for the team and to put him in the starting lineup at this age. I'm sure the experience was of great benefit to Owen,'' he said of his 22-year-old son.

"I hope he's a role model for young players. There's nothing wrong with a young Calgarian going over to Europe and making it as high as you want with David Beckham and Michael Owen. That's a great story and something a kid can grab hold of.''

Owen Hargreaves is indeed a great story. But he's hard to grab hold of.


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Terry is right that Owen Hargreaves is indeed a great story

by Triumph the insult comic dog

...For me to poop on!!

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I knew as soon as I saw those headlines...

by

...That these two posts came from the same ISP address.

Confirmed!

(Back to work.)

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Quote from above - I'm still wondering...

by DRC

how the Whore is a great story. How is he good for Canadian soccer? This clown is supposed to be a role model? For whom? The Greta Garbo Fan Club? He's a selfish little goof who doesn't care about right from wrong. Please stop portraying him as a naive little kid and blaming the agents and BM and everyone else. He's old enough to know better.

The only good that I can see coming from this is that we lost a good defensive midfielder (replaceable) and scouting systems have been put in place to minimize the chances of this happening again.

Peace on earth

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"I hope he's a role model for young players. There's nothing wrong with a young Calgarian going over to Europe and making it as high as you want with David Beckham and Michael Owen. That's a great story and something a kid can grab hold of.''

Owen Hargreaves is indeed a great story. But he's hard to grab hold of.


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BEHROUZ! Send me an e-mail

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tylera@rocketmail.com

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i just did

by behrouz

nm

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Hamilton Spectator: Thunder Face London with Key Win

by Winnipeg Fury

Thunder face London with key win

The Hamilton Thunder are rolling off a big win last week, just in time to head into a key match-up Friday night when they take on London City in Canadian Professional Soccer League action.

The Thunder defeated Mississauga Olympians 1-0 last Thursday at Brian Timmis Stadium, on a goal from Marc Wagenaar, to snap a two-game losing streak.

The team is in third place in the Western Conference, behind Toronto Croatia and Mississauga. Now they take on London City, which sits below Hamilton in the standings but which has tied its last three games.

"It was a big win, a very important win especially after two losses in a row," said Thunder coach Marko Maschke, about defeating second-place Mississauga.

London City has tied its last three games, so Maschke knows his team will have to be sharp.

"It's a very strong team we're playing, and we want to win this game," he said. "To reach the playoffs is a goal and you must defeat teams lower in the standings. It will be a hard job for us and we have to perform 100 per cent. Our conference is very competitive. There are four or five strong teams (vying) to make the playoffs, and only two spots."

As well, Hamilton will play gruelling back-to-back games the weekend of July 27 and 28 in Montreal and Ottawa. So coach Maschke wants the security of a win over London City before heading east.

"It's very difficult to play back-to-back games in 24 hours," he said. "So it's very, very important we have a win in London.

Wagenaar provided all the offence needed Thursday against Mississauga and goalkeeper Dino Perri turned in a stellar performance.

The three points earned brought the Thunder to within one win of the Olympians.

The Thunder dominated the first half of play, controlling the midfield and creating several good scoring chances. Wagenaar, a forward playing his first game for Hamilton, finally headed the ball in to the left top corner of the Mississauga net just before half time.

Maschke credited his whole team with the win.

"We played a very disciplined and organized game against one of the best teams in our conference. We deserved the win. I am very happy for Marc ... but it was a win made by the team, not by a single player."

Maschke specifically praised Perri, who made several spectacular stops including one on a point blank shot in the 88th minute.

The Thunder have two games in hand on league-leading Toronto Croatia and one over Mississauga.

The Thunder do not play at home again until July 31.

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Calgary Sun: Still Waiting

by Winnipeg Fury

STILL WAITING...

Owen Hargreaves cancels his much-anticipated meeting with the media

By ERIC FRANCIS, CALGARY SUN

 The curious case of Owen Hargreaves took another strange turn yesterday.
Armed with the legitimate potential of becoming perhaps the most famous Calgarian in the world, the 21-year-old soccer star scheduled a noon press conference in Calgary to finally address a local media contingent he has snubbed for years.
Complimentary Bayern Munich jerseys were to be distributed, press kits had been assembled with autographed publicity photos, his German agent flew in for the occasion and his dad gave up his lunch hour to be on hand. It had all the elements of being a real love-in.
However, when the clock struck 12, the mop-topped midfielder was nowhere to be found.
"The press conference has been cancelled," said Roman Grill, Hargreaves' somewhat embarrassed agent.
"Owen went back to Germany. Things happen."
While a press release said his absence was due to "unexpected circumstances," it seems the Bayern Munich midfielder received a phone call Sunday informing him his brief summer holiday was to end with a flight later that night.
He was told to re-join the team for its preseason schedule as well as the funeral of former FC Bayern manager Robert Schwan.
So, instead of finally setting the record straight on why he has purposely eluded Canadian journalists, Calgary's international man of mystery somehow managed -- by no fault of his own -- to once again avoid being cornered.
"It's the first time ever Owen would speak to the Canadian media and wanted to give a one-on-one chance to go in-depth and ask him whatever you were interested in," said Grill through a translator.
"He wanted to give you respect as Calgary media because he is from here and he really wanted to finally recognize that. He's not that shy -- he wanted to show who he is."
On the pitch, he's done a wonderful job expressing himself, earning a starting spot on England's World Cup squad and recognition as Europe's best under-21 player last year.
However, off the field, Hargreaves has responded to his meteoric rise with an inexplicable disdain for a Canadian media contingent eager to make a star out of the nation's only World Cup representative.
While in Japan, he turned down interview requests from several Canadians despite earning a surprising starting assignment for England that ended with injury.
Some figured the media ban was part of an outlandish grudge he held against his homeland for being cut from the national under-16 squad five years ago.
Others suggested he was upset at the response he received following his decision to play his international soccer for England instead of Canada where he played minor soccer.
It was neither, said his agent.
"The young players are under a lot of pressure (at the World Cup) and he was not willing to talk to anybody," said Grill, who suggested Owen planned on talking to the media in Japan before a knee injury forced him out of the lineup in Game 2 against Argentina. "Owen is very respectful to Canada."
His father Colin agreed, suggesting the World Cup pressure and injury took a heavy toll on his son.
"There's a time and a place for everything and this was a perfect time to speak to the Canadian media," said Colin, whose entire family has mimicked Owen's cone of silence.
"I believe the Canadian media has been fair to him and so does he. He was disappointed when he couldn't do the press conference so I felt an obligation to be here.
"Otherwise, I have a private life and I don't want to do 20 interviews over and over.
"I'm proud of Owen and his accomplishments but I don't need to say that."
The entire country is proud of him. How Hargreaves feels about that is anybody's guess.
Still.

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Too bad it's not the first time....

by Winnipeg Fury

he's spoken to the Canadian media.

He told us on national television 2.5 years ago that he couldn't wait for the chance to play for Canada.

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Quote from story "The entire country is proud of him."

by DRC

"The entire country is proud of him. How Hargreaves feels about that is anybody's guess.
Still."

I'm not proud of him. If you're not proud of him please feel free to add your voice to this thread.

I'm not proud of him

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Screw pride, I don't RESPECT the Whore

by Daniel

If he had come around at least right after THE MOVE and explained WHY he made his decision, then I wouldn't have been proud, but at least I would have respected him for facing the "music" (easy listening would be the Canadian media here).

He doesn't even deserve respect now.

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Ironic

by DJT

When they don't cover Canadian soccer the media's explanation is that not enough people care about it. Now all of a sudden the entire country is proud of a soccer player.

I am not proud.

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Uhh...

by DJT

...I am not proud of him.

Those last two words are kinda important.

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Another quote

by DJT

"So, instead of finally setting the record straight on why he has purposely eluded Canadian journalists,..."

Right, so never mind setting the record straight on why he turned on us for another country, what he really has to do is set the record straight on why he has been avoiding the media. This is at least the second time that we've seen this type of thing in an article (ie. the media is angry only when OH shuns them, never mind that he shunned the country).

I'd say that some of these people in the media need to get over themselves.

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CONCACAF: Warner says region should get four berths

by Jarrek

Warner says region should get four berths

[Reuters]

NEW YORK -- The Confederation of North, Central American and Caribbean Association Football (CONCACAF) wants four places for the 2006 World Cup, its president Jack Warner said on Monday.

Based on the performance of the confederation's three representatives at the 2002 World Cup -- the United States, Mexico and Costa Rica -- Warner believes CONCACAF has earned an additional spot increasing its allocation to four.

"I have let it be known, at all the levels that count, that we shall make every possible effort to obtain a fourth place for CONCACAF in the World Cup of 2006," said Warner, who is also a vice-president of FIFA, world soccer's governing body.

"It is only right and proper that we should be able to send our best four because who in the world can argue that our best three did not stand up to the best the other confederations have to offer?

"And who can argue that our best four could not do the same?"

The U.S. carried the CONCACAF banner the furthest in South Korea and Japan, reaching the quarterfinals for the first time since 1930 where it was beaten 1-0 by Germany.

Mexico also surprised by finishing on top of Group G, ahead of three-time World Cup winners Italy and Croatia, who finished third in 1998.

Costa Rica failed to qualify for the second phase after losing out on goal difference to Turkey, who was beaten by eventual winners Brazil in the semifinals.

With the holders no longer automatically qualifying for the 2006 finals, FIFA's member confederations are all expected to engage in intense lobbying for the coveted berth.

FIFA president Sepp Blatter has also hinted at a redistribution of the 32 places.

Asia, which threatened to pull out of the 2002 World Cup if it did not receive an additional spot, currently has four and a half, which includes a playoff berth, and is seeking five.

Ireland beat Iran in the playoffs to deny Asia a fifth representative at last month's tournament.

Oceania has also been seeking an automatic berth rather than having to playoff for a place in the finals.

The African Confederation also feels it deserves an additional place given the rapid growth of the sport in the continent.


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Even 3.5 would be excellent

by steved

I don't think we'll get it but we need to make our voices heard.

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Team Talk Hirschfeld Article

by JR



Canada international Lars Hirschfeld has been invited back for pre-season training after his success at White Hart Lane last season.
The 24-year-old stopper was back with his side Calgary Storm over the summer but has joined up with Glenn Hoddle and the squad for the build-up to the new campaign in a bid to win a permanent move to north London.
Hirschfeld arrived at the club on trial last season and impressed in the reserves, so much so that he won a place on the bench against Leeds United towards the end of last season after turning the trial into a three-month loan.
And Hoddle is now keen to have another look at the highly-rated stopper, particularly with goalkeepers not in plentiful supply at The Lane.
Neil Sullivan and Kasey Keller are expected to start the season battling for the number one shirt, but neither man will be happy to settle for a place on the bench at this stage in their career and Hoddle knows he needs quality cover.
Gavin Kelly has been released by the club, and while big things are expected of Rob Burch and Shwan Jalal both are still in their teens, leaving Hoddle thin on the ground in terms of keepers, and Hirschfeld could provide the back-up needed if he continues to impress.


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Wow...

by JR

we must be on the same wavelength Luis.

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Wow!!!! That's very freaky.

by Luis Rancagua

You must read my mind....

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****Lars Hirschfeld on Team-Talk*****

by Luis Rancagua

Tuesday, July 16, 200

Hirschfeld nets second chance

Canada international Lars Hirschfeld has been invited back for pre-season training after his success at White Hart Lane last season.

The 24-year-old stopper was back with his side Calgary Storm over the summer but has joined up with Glenn Hoddle and the squad for the build-up to the new campaign in a bid to win a permanent move to north London.
Hirschfeld arrived at the club on trial last season and impressed in the reserves, so much so that he won a place on the bench against Leeds United towards the end of last season after turning the trial into a three-month loan.
And Hoddle is now keen to have another look at the highly-rated stopper, particularly with goalkeepers not in plentiful supply at The Lane.
Neil Sullivan and Kasey Keller are expected to start the season battling for the number one shirt, but neither man will be happy to settle for a place on the bench at this stage in their career and Hoddle! knows he needs quality cover.
Gavin Kelly has been released by the club, and while big things are expected of Rob Burch and Shwan Jalal both are still in their teens, leaving Hoddle thin on the ground in terms of keepers, and Hirschfeld could provide the back-up needed if he continues to impress.


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Wonder if she will earn that 8th cap?

by Griffon

Tuesday, July 16, 2002
Teen on fast track
Lang makes history in women's soccer

By MIKE KOREEN, TORONTO SUN

When Kara Lang made soccer history in Portugal on March 1, she was supposed to be sitting in a Grade 10 classroom at St. Thomas Aquinas Secondary School in Oakville.

The 15-year-old would have been more than content to sit on the bench during her first trip with the Canadian national women's soccer team, but coach Even Pellerud wanted to see what the young phenom could do.

With 15 minutes to go in a game against Scotland, Pellerud sent Lang on to the field. Lang, who was 15 years and 130 days old at the time, had no idea she was about to break American star Mia Hamm's record (15 years, 139 days) as the youngest player to play for a senior national team.

'KIND OF UNREAL'

"I thought I'd be at least 24 before getting a chance to play with the national team," the 5-foot-9 striker/midfielder said. "It was kind of unreal going to Portugal. It was my first time in Europe.

"When I stepped on the field I felt like I could die right (then). I had done everything I wanted to do."

Since then, she has done much more. Lang, who is very mature for her age, likely will earn her eighth cap with the national team tomorrow at 7 p.m., when Canada plays host to Norway in an exhibition match at Etobicoke Centennial Stadium.

During her second game with the squad at the Algarve Cup in Portugal, Lang broke another one of Hamm's record when she became the youngest player to score at the senior level March 3 against Wales. She has three goals in seven games.

"Sometimes I sit back and think what am I doing here?" said Lang, who started playing soccer at the age of five and was with an under-11 rep team when she was eight years old.

"Like when I'm playing badly and I see (teammate) Christine Sinclair popping goals like crazy, sometimes I think I'll never be able to be like that ... But then I just remember to play my game and let myself develop."

Lang's resume doesn't only include soccer accomplishments. She was a second-team Toronto Sun high school basketball all-star last year and was identified as one of the top 40 high school basketball players in Ontario.

Most impressively, Lang maintained an 82% average in school last year, despite missing 80 days.

"It's sometimes a little overwhelming," Moya Lang, Kara's mother, said. "She has got a great support system -- friends, coaches and parents -- and that keeps her grounded."

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Mia Wasn't the youngest

by Patrick

Sorry, and Autralian (Golebiowski, I Think) played at 14. Kara beats Mia but isn't the youngest. I do wish writers would research more. Still, at 15 she would be under age for the youth team I coach. Rather amazing.

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I think it said she beat the north american record.. n/m

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I could be wrong though(easy way to cover my ass)



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There's an Aquainas in Oakville?

by Tyler

heh I didn't think there would be. I'm in Brampton and there's a St. Thomas Aquainas 2 kms south of my house.

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Question: Does Holger Osieck only show up at Lynx games?

by Daniel

Wouldn't he be located in Ottawa? And I find it odd that he's been to many Lynx game over the past year or so and not ONE report or sighting of him being at any Montréal game (you think as national team coach he'd at least check it out, especially seeing as we're better than Toronto).

Does he ever go out to Vancouver/Calgary?

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Doesn't show up at Vancouver games.

by Krammerhead

I guess to him that would be slumming it. Dale Mitchell was at the last Whitecaps game though.

Doesn't say much for his scouting abilities if he only goes to games in one city.

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His office is in Toronto actually

by Gian-luca

The CSA head office is in Ottawa.

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Calgary Herald: [Calgary United SA] Premier Division full of talent

by DJT

Premier Division full of talent
Young and old alike flock to men's league

Lauren MacGillivray
Calgary Herald

Monday, July 15, 2002

Playing premier level soccer is the ultimate tease for Derek Kuypers.

He may never make the majors or pros, but the Calgarian knows he's darn close.

"I'd love to play pro one day," says the 20-year-old, who remains faithfully enthralled with the game he has played since age four.

When watching the sweeper work the field with his team Star Latino -- which plays in the Calgary United Soccer Association's Premier Division -- his years of skill-building become apparent through agile footwork and pinpoint accuracy.

"We're a great team technically," says Kuypers. "We don't have any weak players."

Kuypers gives credit to his teammates for helping him reach the premier level. He has played with many of them since his under-14 days.

"A lot of teams bicker with each other but we get along great," he says. "We're very good friends on and off the field."

Kuypers says the team's strengths are its friendship, youth and discipline.

"It takes a lot at this level to keep disciplined," he says.

Although it started as a team of transplanted Chileans, Star Latino now has players from Guatemala, Italy, Jamaica, Pakistan and Canada.

Kuypers admits he doesn't know what his chances are of playing pro one day. But no matter what happens, he says he'll keep playing.

"It keeps you in shape and you're always learning," he says. "If I were to quit playing soccer, I wouldn't know what to do with my life."

He plans to play for Mount Royal in September.

While the Premier Division offers a good springboard for those heading to the Alberta Major league and beyond, it's also a good place to settle for players such as Abraham Bisrat, who plays for and helps coach Team Ethiostar.

Bisrat, 31, once played for Ethiopia's national team before immigrating to Canada in 1992.

The Premier Division allows him to keep playing competitively, while he focuses on his other goals.

"I'd like to coach under-16 players," he says.

Bisrat admits he sometimes misses the intensity and skill level of Ethiopia's national team. However, he says playing for an Ethiopian team in Calgary ensures the games are still challenging.

"It's a part of our culture," he says.

Although Kuypers and Bisrat are on different paths in their soccer careers, the two have met on the field twice this season.

The first meeting in early June brought a 5-2 victory for Star Latino. But Ethiostar replied last week with a score of 2-1.

Star Latino is currently sixth in the league at 2-2-2, while Ethiostar follows in ninth at 2-1-3.

The teams meet again Sept. 12, at Glenmore 1 Field.

If you have any story ideas, please contact macgillivrayl@theherald.southam.ca or call 235-7570.

© Copyright 2002 Calgary Herald

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July 15th CPSL North York Astros vs Vaughan Sun Devils

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Result of the CPSL game of Monday July 15th, 2002 between North York Astros and Vaughan Sun Devils played at Esther Shiner Stadium in North York at 8:00pm. This was considered the second leg of the CPSL League Cup first round. Vaughan already held a 3-0 lead in aggregate.

23 min...Sun Devils Marco Antonucci GOAL...SD Gus Kouzmanis passes to right after getting to ball and Antonucci puts in 5 yard tap-in beyond Astros goalie Luciano Miranda.


69 min...Sun Devils Bobby Randhawa GOAL...SD Tommy Kouzmanis on left crosses into box for Randhawa to nod in ball on 10 yard header to left corner of net.


75 min...Sun Devils Bayete Smith GOAL...SD Tommy Kouzmanis cornerkick from right rolls across box and Smith boots in 10 yarder to short side of goal on left.


80 min...Astros Brook Azezew GOAL...Azezew knocks in 7 yarder while charging for ball with goalie Henrich Svetko down after making save and Azezew banks it off underside of crossbar. Followed lots of Astros pressure in box.


88 min...Astros Kadian Lecky GOAL...Lecky gets short pass from Astros Gabriel Salguero from left on break and his quick 7 yard shot is to left side of net beyond goalie.


Final Score:.........North York Astros.............2..............Vaughan Sun Devils................3.................


Attendance was about 75 on this hot humid summer evening.

Vaughan Sun Devils win the aggregate 6-2 and advance in Cup competition to the next round against the winner of the St Catharines Roma Wolves vs Hamilton Thunder series.

Sun Devils had a forward combo of brothers Tommy and Gus Kouzmanis and they were speedy but kept getting flagged offside. Sun Devils only brought three subs to the game and one of them was a goaltender. When Bobby Randhawa was brought in to replace Arturo Alava at only 8 minutes, it really limited their choices in this rough checking game. Head coach Dave Benning said his reserve team was playing the Olympians in an OSA cup/promotion game (I assume he meant the Mississauga Olympians reserve team).

Astros missed some early goal chances which could have given them a chance in this game but some sitters were missed or blasted high.

Rocket Robin
robing@eol.ca


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Bobby Randhawa scored a goal! (n/m)

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YAH!!!!!!!!

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Woohoo, Bobbys lighting it up this year(1 goal!). I am gonna actually make it out to the Sept 6th game where Oshawa err i mean Durham Flames take on Vaughan. Bobby Randhawa fan club is back in buisness!!

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Any word on Chris Williams...

by Winnipeg Fury

...and his rumoured trial with Werder Bremen ?

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Friday July 19th is your last day to become a part of Canadian Soccer History ...

by Jarrek

Donate to the Voyagerus Cup ASAP!!!

http://www.canadian-soccer.com/voyageurscup.html

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*****VOYAGEURS' CUP IN MEDIA!!!*****

by Daniel

L'Impact recevra les Whitecaps de Vancouver, mercredi, au complexe sportif Claude-Robillard (RDS, 19h30). La rivalité entre clubs canadiens de la A-League est toujours particulière et un fan-club appelé Les Voyageurs a d'ailleurs décidé de souligner ce fait. Un trophée sera remis à l'équipe qui aura les meilleurs résultats dans les matchs mettant aux prises l'Impact, les Whitecaps, les Lynx de Toronto et le Storm de Calgary. On peut suivre l'évolution du classement à www.voyageurscup.ca.

from: http://www.rds.ca/soccer/chroniques/SOCCER3D333AC5.html

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Time to update the standings page.

by Krammerhead

Vancouver on top.

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I did that early this morning

by DJT

I hope you are seeing the updated version. It seems fine to me.

By the way, thanks for promoting this thing on the SouthSiders board. I do read the posts there, though I suppose I should sign up and get in there myself. With the other SouthSider problems, I guess it's not surprising that no one is reacting to the Cup.

I contacted Rasta the other day and gave him a long summary of what's been going on, how we need the SouthSiders' help, etc. But I didn't get a response. Was he at the game?

My big problem with Vancouver is that there is a very real possibility that the Whitecaps could win this thing but right now you are the only person involved. We need some hype over there, otherwise a Whitecaps victory will be very flat. Not to mention the fact that someone has to take responsibility for receiving the trophy and dealing with the club and actually presenting it (then dealing with all this next season if the trophy has to be shipped out).


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Southsiders

by Krammerhead

Well I hope that there is a voyageur somewhere near Vancouver who will present it to the Whitecaps if they win it, because I'm not all that big on that kind of stuff, especially dealing with the club. Perhaps if Vancouver wins it you could arrange something with Alan Douglas, or contact the official supporters club. I forget the email address at the moment.

Rasta was at the game, his first in a long time since he can only make Sunday games due to work commitments. However I doubt if he will remember any of it.

I tried to get people at the game interestested in the fact that the game also doubled as a voyageurs cup match but nobody seemed to care. I guess it's takes up too much brain function for the average Vancouver fan.

I guess I have an old link the to the standings page.


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standings

by Krammerhead

Is there a new link? When I click on http://www.voyageurscup.ca/ it still has Vancouver as not playing a game yet.

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Strange

by DJT

You have the correct address. Are you sure that your browser is automatically refreshing? Perhaps you need to hit the refresh button?

Can anyone else confirm that they're getting the updated standings?

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For some reason I had to hit refresh.

by Krammerhead

Don't know why it didn't refresh automatically.

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My cheques in the mail.

by Vancouver Fan

I'm not a hardcore Southsider and I'm not sure I am a Voyageur but I do support anything that will promote the game in this country.If the Whitecaps win this I am in favor of Alan Douglas doing the presentation as he has the most contact with the club.I hope we are not getting too ahead of ourselves although this weeks eastern road trip to Toronto and Montreal will go a long way in deciding the winner.

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If your a Canada fan.....

by Winnipeg Fury

.....your a Voyageur.

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i send you yesterday

by behrouz

,you are doing the great job

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My apologies

by Rasta

I apologise for not getting back to anyone who may have e-mailed me of late. To echo Krammerheads comments, I am currently under production date pressure at work, therefore look at webboards (including my own) perhaps once a week at best. As for e-mail, my home e-mail is checked even less at the moment - so I promise I will get back to you once I have some time to do so.

As for the voyaguers cup, I think it is an excellent idea. I will endeavor to assist krammerhead in promoting it out this way, of course that is once i am able to participate more after my current project is finished.

Heya K-man, I do remember most of the match (although I cannot recall Niall jumping into the crowd, musta been when I was letting the little group from Saskatchewan do their chanting on the megaphone from the eastside...)



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Right you are on that goal Rasta.

by Krammerhead

Thats the one I heard you mentioning that you missed. After Niall scored he jumped up on the barrier to do a victorious salute. Unfortunately he sweated over me, which was quite gross.

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I understand

by DJT

I did notice your posts about being very busy. But if only we could get some of the other SouthSiders interested.

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Now this...

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...this, this freakin' ROCKS. I am really freakin' pumped about the reception that the Cup has enjoyed thus far. A few more press releases, and--I assume--we'll be receiving calls from Jean Crouton himself. Or at least from As It Happens.

Woo hoo!

Btw, for those interested, I have also been sending out thank yous to those who have responded positively to the press release. These included Jeremy Loome, Ben Knight, Neil Davidson, Dan at A-League.com, and Martin Rose at BC Soccer Web.

One person whom I've unfortunately been remiss in thanking is Lino Terra, whose positive response should not go unnoticed. Unfortunately I'm not sure how best to contact him directly; Lino, if you're reading this, please drop me a line.

All right, that's all the news that's fit to beg the big guys to print...


Allez les Rouges,
M@

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Cool

by DJT

But curious. Neil Davidson mentioned it in his CP article, but we sent him a copy of the media release directly. The author of this French article must have gotten word of the Cup indirectly --- which is actually really good because it means that the news is spreading around within the media.

It's kind of ironic that we have the media mentioning the Cup and yet the clubs have not.

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Article printed in La Presse Sports section (¾ page) (nm)

by Daniel



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Our first mention in print

by DJT

I mean in an actual newspaper as opposed to on the Web (unless Neil's article last week was picked up somewhere, but no one mentioned it).

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I'm looking for feedback on the style of Voyageur trophy....

by Winnipeg Fury

I posted this from above. Let me know what you guys think.


I spent the day shopping for trophies and have narrowed things down a bit. Consensus was a trophy in a cup style. Many of the nicer Cup trophies state silver plating. The cup is often silver plating, but the stem is often plastic. Simply not good enough.

Shipping will also be very expensive.

Many of the trophies have side handles that are somewhat frail. Flying this trophy across Canada over the years will mean this trophy will have to be as rugged and tough as a Southsider/Ultra.

I actually like the wine-cooler look. It's solid metal, very sturdy, and should hold up well to the rigors of the Canadian professional scene. Some may view it as low-brow and spartan, but in many ways it typifies Canadian soccer and it's supporters.

The other main stlye is the ornate cup with elegant side handles, and the high-end ones are very nice. Unfortunetly unless you go very high-end, the Cup is silver plated but the stem is plastic. The style usually has the side handles jutting out far, and it may not be the most ideal style if we want this trophy to last for more than a few years. To get the quality we need, it may be too expensive. A very classy look, but somewhat fragile.

Regardless of the Cup style, I like the black octagon base, and the shields for engraving will definetly be in the shape of maple leaves.

I'm getting some quotes on the high-end classy style, but what do you guys think of the silver-plated wine cooler on a first class base ?

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Well ... like I said ...

by Jarrek

We might as well do it right the first time and go for the most durable/expensive/classy looking trophy around.

This is the look that I would like to see ...



The price is 450 pounds, and the trophy details are: heavy deposit silverplated cup. This beautiful trophy is handcrafted in England, using traditional methods and only the finest materials.
The body has a pattern that has been chased by hand. This is method of decoration that has remained unchanged over the centuries and is now a very rare art form.
This superb cup is available in 3 sizes, from 13.5 inches to a towering 20 inches.
Each trophy comes complete with a beautiful silverplated lid and mounted on a black Bakelite plinth. This plinth can be upgraded to a solid mahogany one for special presentations. Both plinths can take the optional silverplated plinthbands that are offered.

This high quality trophy comes with a lifetime warranty and makes a magnificent centrepiece at any presentation.

If the optional plinthband is purchased there are 2 areas that are suitable for engraving, the "Trophy Body" and the "Plinthband".
All height measurements are from the bottom of the base to the top of the lid.


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by Reza

That's 900 Canadian or there abouts!



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plus shipping and other expenses.....

by Winnipeg Fury

your looking at cash that is simply beyond our means.

What do you think of the wine-cooler look ?

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Are you sure it's beyond our means ? People, become a part of history - CONTRIBUTE :)

by Jarrek

I don't want to sound like someone who is begging for money, but this is our chance to shine.

I know that more people will be sending you contributions shortly, and I will try to gather up contributions at the Canada - Norway Womens game.



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Feedback ?

by Winnipeg Fury

What's your opinion of the two styles I have oulined above ?

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by Reza

I am more often than not the least picky of people. Obviously, Jarrek's cup is pretty cool, but as far as I am concerned anything goes! Hopefully it won't look like the CONCACAF Gold Cup..initially I thought it looked good until i saw it in Edmonton...I haven't done anything with Voyageurs Cup, so I leave it all for the involved parties to select and I am cool with whatever gets picked!

take care

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You contributed...

by Winnipeg Fury

so your more involved than most people on this board.

Thanks for the donation.

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other options

by Tyler

Jarrek picked one of the most expensive examples they had. That place still has class items on a smaller scale.



15 inch Trophy $218.66 + $59.10 for base = $280 USD
15 inches, so a little over a foot tall. shipped, engraved for under 550 CDN.



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We can do better...

by Winnipeg Fury

the trophies in that price range have plastic stems.

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really? i thought it was just the base, whcih you can upgrade to wood...nm

by Tyler

nm

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The trophies in that price range...

by Winnipeg Fury

are often plastic between the Cup and the base (the skinny part)

Don't get me wrong, you can still have a very nice trophy that's part plastic, but the Voyageur Cup will need to be built for longevity if it is to last for more than a few years.

We really need high quality. This Cup is going to be getting bounced from one end of the country to the next on an annual basis.

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Need more money, I can send more next month... I like this one...

by Mooshead

http://www.silvertrophy.com/eric/modules/catalogue/product.asp?id=343&t=1

see if you can get without the black at the bottom and make a total silver plated cup.

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That cup is awesome ...

by Jarrek

Come on Voyageurs, can you do it ?

We know who contributed ... We know who didn't. If you are a Canadian Soccer supporter ... shouldn't you ?


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Your already the largest contributor...

by Winnipeg Fury

...Moosehead so don't send more money (unless your a philanthrapist millionaire), your contribution is already greatly appreciated.

The fundraising has run it's course. There may be a bit more trickling in, and if were lucky we may hit $600. I'm not going to hold out for a trophy that will cost us a thousand dollars because it simply won't happen.

As well, the price of a Cup usually doesn't include the cost of the base, engraving, and postage will be expensive.

What do you think of the two trophy styles I outlined above ?

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Re: Style

by Jarrek

Ornate Cup ...

I dont know how the Wine Cooler style looks like ...

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Kinda like this

by Cooks



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IMO I think we should go for the true classical Cup style...

by Moosehead

and I think as Voyageurs we should be able to drum up some more money. 1,500.00 to 2,000.00 should not be such a shore for all of the viewers to this forum. What does it say if we cannot raise 1,500.00.

I am not completely sure what you mean by a wine cooler type trophy, I may be ingnorant here, is it shaped like beer bottle sort of? I am not totally sold on the traditional wood based trophies as the true Cup trophies seem a bit rarer than the wood based ones.

I am with Jarrek on this one, we should try and go for the best Cup possible, as it may become big one day and if the media is involved and the trophy is going to be awarded to a professional club and the trophy telivised on Sportsnet the more important the look of the trophy is.


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I agree ...

by Jarrek

This forum receives 300,000 hits a month. I would estimate that about 500 unique users use this board, and about 50-100 regulars.

We have had only 21 contributors ... (Three cheers for all of them)

Gordon
Jason Kmet
Moosehead
Ed Swain
Marc Peverini
Krammerhead
Ramon Lachmansingh
Stuart Wallington
Matthew
Reza Khalili
Ivan
Glenn Oldford
Tyler Adamsky
DJT
Gian-Luca
James Macleod
Mark Christie
Chris Moore
Lorne Smith
Tony Quarisa
Mike D

(I have sent my donation just recently)


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Both designs...

by Winnipeg Fury

fall under the Cup style. The wine cooler look is a larger, more solid Cup (think of champagne on ice).

No matter the type of style, the base is seperate and the trophy will look first class.

I'm not holding my breath for $1500-$2000. Keep in mind we have time constraints and I can only work with what I have in hand.

I'm posting donations as they arrive (thanks Mike D, yours arrived today !) so as you can see, donations have peaked.

If I keep holding out for more money the project will never be completed.

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Set a Deadline ...

by Jarrek

For the Donations ... that will force people to send them in.



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Friday, July 19 is deadline....

by Winnipeg Fury

for contributions.

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Would you accept an e-mail money transfer?

by DoyleG

Since it is now offered by canadian banks.

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Ignore that last one.....

by DoyleG

You'll have my cheque in a few days.

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I like that one too ...

by Jarrek

Come on, we can do better then the rest of Canadian Soccer corporate community ...

Lets show our organization skills ... I'm questioning why some people haven't contributed.

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Would another contribution help?

by Dave

I had intended to contribute before but it slipped my mind. If you are reasonably close to having enough to purchase a higher end trophy that everyone likes, I'd be happy to chip in...

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It's your call...

by Winnipeg Fury

if you send $20, I honestly can't say that it will enable us to get a better trophy.

If another 15-20 send $20, then that may make a difference.

I'm assuming that most people who want to contribute have already done so.

The other problem is that I want the trophy to be ready by the time we crown a champion. Ideally it would be nice if the trophy could be presented at a home match by local Voyageurs.

What do you think of the styles I have outlined above ?

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I'll send a contribution this week. Are you collecting the funds? Did you post your mailing address somewhere?

I wouldn't rule out more folks contributing in the next couple of weeks. As an example, I personally had intended to contribute earlier, but with summer vacation things tend to slip one's mind.

I like the ornate style you describe. I really like the "Made in England" one in the picture that Jarrek posted above. If not possible, I guess go for the wine cooler look.

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Address ... is on the front page of our site ...

by Jarrek

http://www.canadian-soccer.com

click on the headline.

Posted on Jul 15, 2002, 11:12 PM
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re deadline....

by Dave

Cheque will be mailed tomorrow evening after work. I can't guarantee it will get from New Brunswick to Winnipeg by Friday's deadline however.

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I'm sure WF will make one or two exceptions.

by Jarrek



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No problem...

by Winnipeg Fury

your name will be posted as an official donour when it arrives.



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Yes ...

by Jarrek

The more the marrier

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Could you describe the wine cooler look?

by Mike D

If you described it earlier, I must've missed it.

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See my "Kinda like this" post above (nm)

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or this

by Cooks



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Is it a Bowl or a Cup?

by Moosehead

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Think of champagne on ic (nm)

by Winnipeg Fury

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Posted on Jul 16, 2002, 8:49 AM
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Wine cooler looks great. Kinda reminds me of the original Stanley Cup! (nm)

by Mike D

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The Wine Cooler si top notch, different looking, I really like it. (nm)

by Marc P

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Of Cups etc

by

Gents,

First, let me record a vote for the wine cooler style. I'm down with this, totally. Not only do I agree with WF's point about it travelling better, I think it's a distinctive sort of style.

Next, about the donations. I urge you all to send in your donations by the deadline. (I myself have to get going on scribbling out the cheque.) However, I'd like to point out that, given the long-term needs of this trophy--the shipping and engraving, I'm talking about--any donations is good donations. Please continue to give until it hurts like... like... like a Hargreaves press conference. As long as Fury has no objections, we can take donations all year.

The thing is, this is a crucial year. The donations that come in up to this Friday define exactly what kind of trophy we get, the one we'll be handing out for the next--who knows--decade. Generation, maybe. So give whatever you can, knowing that it will make a big difference far down the road.

Now, I know not everyone here is a working stiff. There are a lot of students and so on, and I myself was a welfare bum until a few months ago. But for those of us with regular paycheques, and without too many dependants of the ankle-biting variety, surely we can squeeze a bit more.

So here's some incentive. We're currently somewhere under the $600 mark. I'm ready and willing to write out a cheque, today, for another hundred. That's what I can afford. BUT--and here's the big but, bigger than mine if you know what I mean--if we surpass $800 in cheques by the 19th, I'm willing to double my own contribution to $200 to take us over the $1000 mark. Okay? So if you get your contribution in the mail by the end of this week, and we make it to $800 (or more) in donations by the time those envelopes make it to Winnipeg, then there's an extra hundred clams heading to the fund. And I'm willing to brave everything--the pecuniary difficulties, the wrath of my bank manager, the far more fearsome wrath of my soccer-hating wife--in order to bring us up to the $1000 level.

Got me? $800. That's all it takes. Haven't donated? Stick your $20 in the mail. Or your $50. Or your $10. Or your two loonies, four quarters, and a subway token. Or your crayon-scrawled cheque for the remaining $0.59 in your line of credit. We don't care. We just want the money. Cash cash cash. Give give give.

Okay then. I'll go pencil in the "2". You guys get to work. Eh?


Allez les Rouges,
M@


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A generous offer....

by Winnipeg Fury

but if you just started working, $100 is too much.

Your already doing a great job with the PR so treat yourself to a night out and send what's left over.

PS - If your a heavy drinker, put $20 to the side.

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Nah...

by

Don't worry, I'm on contract these days, indefinitely, and doing very well out of it. Plus I've been at it for four months now. I wouldn't commit to it if I couldn't afford it. And if we were having this discussion in March I wouldn't have committed to anything.

Plus I know we're going to need the money. If not for the trophy, for the shipping. If not now, then next year.

And finally, since I have to get up so bloody early to get the train into downtown Tronna every day, I don't get to drink any more... plus my liver supports the cup as the far better cause.

The only question is whether we're going to get further donations. So c'mon, kids, check between the couch cushions. Steal from your mom's purse while she's sleeping. Eat a frog for money. Whatever it takes!

See you at the thousand mark...


Allez les Rouges,
M@


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if we hit 1,400.00 I am prepared to put in another 200.00 on the following...

by Moosehead

strong recommendation we purchase this style cup.


http://www.silvertrophy.com/eric/modules/catalogue/product.asp?id=343&t=1


the maple leaf on wood idea, typically those brass plates fall off overtime, better to engrave right on the silverware like the Stanley Cup.

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I agree ...

by Jarrek

I'd put in $200.00 as well ... but only if we get that cup



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Duly Inspired...

by Gordon

...I will double my contribution. BTW, what do you think about declaring an MVP (more of a North American tradition)or selecting a "Cup" Allstar team.

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A number of ideas...

by Winnipeg Fury

I would like to pursue at a later date:

- An annual award for media coverage of Canadian soccer.

- An annual award for the leading Canadian goal scorer.

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Excellent ideas!

by


Although the golden boot type award is a fairly obvious one, it hasn't been suggested yet and I totally agree that that would be a great award.

But the award for media coverage is a superb idea. It would send a clear message to the soccer media types, and I hope it would also create stronger ties between the media and ourselves. And the more we are respected by the media types, the better our chances of coverage (and I'm talking about the nats--really we don't want any coverage except where it helps out Canadian soccer).

We'd have to select the winner by voting, I suppose, since views vary widely about the relative merits of columns and writers. An all-star type vote or something maybe. Maybe we'd need nominations, because there are guys (like Lino and Martin) who really do their thing but who don't get a lot of recognition compared to, say, DaCosta. I dunno. Up for discussion of course.

Anyhow, I love the idea and am very, very interested in putting this in place next year.

Another thing I was thinking about--it would be nice to send each contributor something to show for their support. I hate to suggest something as cheesy as a certificate, but how about a certificate? I know that cost is the ultimate question, so I'm willing to throw this open. The thing is, in five years when there's a Canadian or big North American league, and the Voyageurs Cup presentation is televised on CBC, and the presentation makes front-page news on the Globe "sports" section, it would be nice to have something to show for it, for the guys who made it happen in the first place. Again, maybe this is an idea for next year, but I'd really like to make this happen as well.

Ah, ideas.


Allez les Rouges,
M@

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You mean

by Ed

The Neil Davidson award??

On the cups, I like the style that Cooks posted above.
I think I can be put down for an annual donation towards shipping and handling and can pony up another for this year if we need to bridge the gap between ordinary and DOING IT UP RIGHT.

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Neil would be on the list....

by Winnipeg Fury

but so would papers that cover their professional/semi-professional team. The Thunder Bay Chronicle Journal, London Free Press, Dan Stinson of the Vancouver Sun, Mirrior-Guardian, etc....

I was thinking a plaque would be in order for this award.

The top scorer in Canada should be a trophy awarded to the individual on an annual basis.

I think both these projects are very important.

As you all know I follow the Canadian media coverage religously, and there are a few individuals out there that are truly deserving of recognition for their coverage.

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Media award!

by matthew

Yeah I'm biased, but I think it's a great idea.

Despite the perception that press people are arrogant, stupid and vain, I imagine the winner would actually be touched to win an award.

Most days you strive simply not to be wrong. So being told you're also good is pretty cool.

cheers,
matthew

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The problem with having a media award

by Free kick

The problem with having a media award is deciding what criteria to judge the writers. Often on this board, writers, columns, and articles are judged based on whether or not people agree with the opinions or conclusions expressed rather than the research and overall quality of the writing.

For example, How would one judge a writer who wrote a well thought out and well researched pieced on whether or not a professional soccer league could be viable in Canada. Suppose he or she concluded, after doing lenghty reseach, that it could not function. Something that no wants to hear.

Another problem is that there are very few, if any, investigative pieces written about soccer in Canada. Most of what we get are editorial or informational articles from those who are assigned to soccer.


Tony

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My feedback

by DJT

To be honest, even though I started this whole thing I never had too many expectations regarding the trophy. I'm not sure why but I don't care too much about what style we get. WF, I'm happy with both of your ideas.

What I do care about is that the whole thing is handled properly: we investigate possibilities before jumping in, we get everyone who is interested to make suggestions, we get something of high enough quality that it won't look pathetic and will last a long time, etc. And it looks like all of these things are happening. In fact, it looks like there are a lot more of these things happening than I expected. WF, thanks for all your work (especially running around in the heat! ), checking for all the details about trophies that most of us probably would never have thought about (I know I didn't). And thanks to the rest of you for checking out some sites and posting some photos (obviously it really helps everyone visualize what we're talking about) and for posting your comments.

A few general comments...

I don't have a problem with getting a really expensive trophy if we can collect enough donations from Voyageurs, but I don't think it's really necessary. WF stated from the beginning that $400 would get us something really nice and sturdy, and that sounds about right to me. I don't really see the point of spending close to $1000, since, for one thing, the trophy is not even going to be seen very much. I don't even think it's important to get an amazing trophy so that we look better, since in the end we are only a fan club and just doing this is more than anyone else has done. We have only 6 weeks until the competition ends and we can't wait too long for more money before we have to get things done. My dad has the championship trophy from his defunct fastball league (once considered one of the best fastball leagues in Toronto) that was purchased in the 1940s (he was involved from the 1960s until its demise in the late 1980s). It is falling apart and looks kind of pathetic, but it has all the winners for all those years on it and so holds a lot of history and meaning. It doesn't matter what it looks like. But, once again, I have no objections if the majority agree on something.

WF mentioned the little shields on which winners' names will be engraved but no one commented on this. WF said above that they would be in the shape of maple leaves. I really like this idea. I'm not sure what other people have in mind but these little shields are the way to go. We cannot get the trophy itself engraved every year because it will be moving around. The little shields can be made at the same place every year (like wherever the trophy is bought) and mailed to wherever the trophy happens to be. Then we just need to get someone there to stick it on (apparently they come with adhesive backings, like a sticker?). This also means that we must get a base on which to stick the shields.

I am assuming that we will have the words "Coupe des Voyageurs Cup" engraved on the trophy. If possible I would like this to look exactly like the title I have at the top of the Web site, including the font (I declare this to be the official Voyageurs Cup font and logo (although later on it may be added to)). And the Voyageurs logo below that? A problem is that the logo is not bilingual and I don't know what it would look like to put two logos on the trophy.

Finally, we should have a vote once we narrow things down to a few trophy choices. All we need is a thread and people to post their vote as a response, just like when we voted for the format of the competition.

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Maple leaf shields for engraving...

by Winnipeg Fury

I've only seen these at the one place and I will probably have a few blank ones put on the base.

These could be engraved annually with relative ease and very cheaply.

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I will contribute to the Voyageurs Cup...

by

but I will probably send it on Thursday, or Friday the latest, when I get paid. Moreover, WF, I would like to suggest a wooden base or some other sturdy base of some sort in which the club's logo or coat of arms is placed, it's too bad that I don't have a picture of the Copa America and scan it, because I believe that's the way to go which the year they won and club's coat of arms on it on a small plaque. Furthermore, I believe perhaps that Latin (not Latino) lettering should be engraved in the Cup, something to remind everybody in Canada of the Canadian futbol supporter's refusal to accept defeat of the beatiful game's diminished popularity in North America.

Sincerely

Nolberto S.

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My two cents

by Gian-luca

I think the wine-cooler look suggested would be fine.

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My two bits

by matthew

I think if this sudden rush of philanthropy will allow us to buy a really nice cup style (like the one from England everyone is in love with) then we should go that route. Just personal preference. That being said, I think there's nothing wrong with the wine-cooler look (even if like Gordon I intially imagined a pink bottle of California Breezer). Some of the images I saw of 'wine-cooler' style trophies were as nice, if not nicer than the Vanier Cup.

I like the octagonal base with Leaf plates (are we going one team per plate or can we fit a few on?)

Anyway I'm pretty pleased with how fundraising is going and I'm glad we're putting Max Lieber's 'dirty undies' comment in its proper place.

cheers,
matthew

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Soccer tourney and U-19 championships...

by Reza

Hey Edmonton guys and the second part to any travelling fans,

I was wondering if we could kick around maybe on Sunday the 11th of August. Just pick a park, like Hawrlak or somewhere cenrtral and play our tournament.

Also, for the U-19 tournament, the first match is on the 18th. This is the first time we are gathering for a women's match (mind you this is the first women's game here in Edmonton since '95), so I am not sure what the turnout will be, but if you are interested, let's organize the troops in the next couple of weeks. Just send an e-mail to thevoyageurs@hotmail.com

take care

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CP: Women Prep for Tilt with Olympic Champs

by Winnipeg Fury

Canadian women prep for tilt with Olympic champs

The Norwegians head into the exhibition match with an immaculate record against the Canadians (5-0-0), outscoring the Canucks 25-3.
(posted Jul. 15, 5:27PM EDT)
TORONTO -- There will be few surprises Wednesday when the Canadian women's soccer team hosts Olympic champion Norway.

Canadian coach Even Pellerud is a Norwegian native who guided Norway to the 1995 World Cup. Current Norwegian coach Age Steen used to play alongside Pellerud and was coached by him at club level back home.
Pellerud drew laughs at a news conference Monday when he jokingly recalled the bad passes Steen used to send his way when they were club teammates at Kongsvinger. But it's clear there is genuine fondness shared between the two.
“He's a great coach and a very nice man,” said Pellerud, who deserves a similar accolade. “I've also been his mentor through the Norwegian Olympic program, so we have been close for many, many years.”
Given the ties, it's no wonder the two sides plays a similar style. Norwegian star midfielder Hege Riise, who has 165 caps to her credit, is looking forward to the game for that reason.
“We get to know how difficult it is to play Norway, or Canada,” she said.
Both teams play direct attacking soccer. They get the ball and come at you. At the other end, they play a pressure zone defence.
The Norwegians have never lost to Canada -- their record is 5-0-0, outscoring the Canadians 25-3. Norway won 9-1 in June 2001 and thumped Canada 7-1 at the 1999 World Cup.
But under Pellerud, named head coach after the '99 World Cup, Canada is climbing up the world women's ladder.
And with World Cup qualifying set to start this fall in North America -- 1999 semifinalist Norway has already qualified for the 2003 tournament in China -- Pellerud is deadly serious about the Norway challenge.
“This is not a routine exhibition game, not at all,” he said. “Not only the fact that Norway's coming in, a team we have never beaten, but also the fact that this is a kickoff to my fall program. We need to confirm that we are on the right track.”
Asked if the Canadian women can topple the Norwegians, Pellerud doesn't miss a beat.
“We can,” he said. “Definitely.”
To that end, Pellerud has assembled his strongest squad possible. Only Christine Latham (university commitments) and Amy Walsh (recovering from injury) are missing.
WUSA players Charmaine Hooper, Sharolta Nonen and Karina LeBlanc are all available. Pellerud says it is his strongest side since the one that tied the U.S. 2-2 in June 2001. Hooper has taken over as captain from Walsh, whom Pellerud said wanted to focus more on her game on the field.
The Norwegians, who head south to play the U.S. after the Canadian game in Toronto, have also brought over their big guns. The only person missing, Pellerud reckons, is World Cup goalkeeper Bente Nordby.
According to Riise, Pellerud still commands attention back home.
“One of the best coaches I ever had,” said Riise, who now plays for the Carolina Courage in WUSA. “He had a lot to do with my performance. He build some confidence in the team and in the players.”
Pellerud is doing that in Canada these days, blending youth and experience. Of the 18 Canadians players brought in for the Norway game, seven are members of the under-19 squad that will compete at the inaugural world under-19 championships later this summer.
The senior and under-19 teams play exactly the same style, allowing Pellerud to bring in new players as needed.
One concern to the Norwegians is the oppressive heat in the Toronto area, with temperatures in the low 30s.
“It's cold in Norway, between 13 and 18 degrees and it's raining,” said Steen. “I come to Canada and it's hot. Too hot for the Norwegian people. And that's going to be a problem for us.”

© The Canadian Press, 2002

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What has happened to Latham?

by Timber-T

Haven't seen her name on the WC list lately. Is she still with Nebraska?

Cheers ...

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CP: Hargreaves still a proud Canadian

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Hargreaves still a proud Canadian

(Jul 15) CALGARY (CP) - Colin Hargreaves says his soccer star son Owen is still a proud Canadian, despite refusing to speak with Canadian reporters during the World Cup.

Hargreaves said doing interviews is not a priority for his son, a midfielder with Germany's Bayern Munich who was the only Canadian to compete for soccer's holy grail at the recent championships in Japan.

That doesn't change if reporters travel hours or around the world.

``He's not going to walk over and do a two-minute interview, then walk away and start training again,'' said the elder Hargreaves.

``You have to understand that.''

Hargreaves was forced to be a stand-in for his son Monday after a news conference featuring Owen was cancelled. The Calgary native had to return to Germany to rejoin the club after the death of the club's former manager.

Hargreaves says his son is still proud of his Canadian roots and he hopes Owen can do for soccer in Canada what Wayne Gretzky did for hockey.

``He's done well where he is,'' he said.

``I hope he's a role model for young players upcoming. There's nothing wrong with a young Calgarian going over to Europe and making it as high as you want - with David Beckham and Michael Owen. That's a great story and something a kid can grab hold of.''

Owen Hargreaves will not be back in Calgary until December.


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Huh? Come Again?

by Jarrek

Hargreaves says his son is still proud of his Canadian roots and he hopes Owen can do for soccer in Canada what Wayne Gretzky did for hockey.

How is that possible? What rubbish comment.

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Obviously daddy knows best.....

by DoyleG

Looks like the father has been pulling the strings (ref. Williams Sisters)

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Wow, to put yourself in the same league as Wayne and Walter Gretzky!

by Griffon

Was around in the 80's in Edmonton when Wayne was just a fresh faced Hockey Phenom. He and his parents always made themselves available to the press, and were much more gracious and professional than Owen and his entourage.

Sorry if this sounds harsh, but how his dad can compare him to Wayne Gretzky and his family is nuts!

Soccer aside...

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It's called Damage Control 101....

by Winnipeg Fury


Tough to expect OW father to come out and say anything other than the usual mindless tripe.

I don't know what's worse; the press conference or this pathetic piece of journalism from the CP. I would be shocked if it was Neil's work.

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Likely was Davidson's work

by DoyleG

He's been OH's biggest bosster in his move to England.

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I doubt it

by matthew

It was slugged CP-Calgary, so unless Davidson travelled to Calgary (odds somewhere between slim and none) it was either a Sun or Herald piece sent out OR CP has someone in Calgary who they sent to staff it (ie not even necessarily a sports reporter).

Either way it's not an Op-Ed piece, they're just reporting what Hargreaves Sr. had to say and why he wasn't around. If no one there bothered to grill him, there's not much you can do. The comments are pretty flimsy anyway "media not a priority..." "still a proud Canadian..." etc.

cheers,
matthew

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Read the article again - harsh

by Ed

when you consider that Colin Hargreaves is not quoted as saying anything about Gretzky. His comments are in quotes. I assume the writer made the G comparison.

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That's just weak...

by Gordon

...I have generally tried to give OH the benefit of the doubt and while disappointed in his decision have generally supported his right to make it. But the Gretzky comments and the media comments are juts too much. If things were as Ed suggests, then come out an admit it and get on with things. But the lame Gretzky analogy flies in the face of reason and the media answer is just a dodge as he clearly had time for the British Press. Sad.

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Oh!!! Please, get me a barf bag....

by Luis Rancagua

This is perhaps the MOTHER of all the Hypocrisies of the world. I don't buy their BS.

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Even the Dad..

by LMW

has to lie like his son, these people are pathetic and disgusting. "proud canadian", his dad is a joke and so is his son. To say that is a mocking insult to every true canadian. Can't these people be kicked out of the country?

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Gretzky moved abroad but still played for Canada

by Dave Carmichael

that is the most important and obvious distinction between Gretky being a "great" Canadian loyal to Canada and Hargreaves who so far has ducked any responsibilty for his decision to turn his back on the Canadian national team.

By the way, he has still found time to do interviews with the British press. So much for not having time not to deal with the press.

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He doesn't act like a proud Canadian

by Dave Carmichael

his actions and refusal to talk with the Canadian press since the World Cup speak volumes and don't indicate someone very proud of being Canadian.

In at least one statement to the British press he said he felt English and paraded and held up an English flag for a photo opportunity.

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MR Hargreaves ,go and F*** yourself

by behrouz

canada does n't need people like you and your son .i think being a hypocrite runs in your family.

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Help! Urgent!

by Jeremy

Hey guys,
Jonesy got stood up by Hargreaves today for an interview in Calgary (more on that in tomorrow's Edmonton Sun) but I mentioned to him that someone on the board had a quote from Hargreaves on TSN in the last couple of years in which he said he had no ill-will against Canada and was leaning towards playing for his country. Can someone dredge up the quote and the reference? I'm sure Jonesy would use it if someone can find it?
Thanks in advance,
Jeremy


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by JayWay

"I really love Canada, and I grew-up in Canada, so eventually I'll end up playing for Canada. I gotta make it in Germany first. I have to stabilize myself in the first team, and once I do that, I can concentrate on other things."


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It was Soccer Central, not TSN (nm)

by Winnipeg Fury

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As posted by Winnipeg Fury in January 2000 and context

by Ed


- Hargreaves stated that he would play for Canada! " I really love Canada, and I grew-up in Canada, so eventually I'll end up playing for Canada. I gotta make it in Germany first. I have to stabilize myself in the first team, and once I do that, I can concentrate on other things."


Note to Jeremy, you have to realize the context of this interview. This interview aired on the Saturday morning show Soccercentral (then CTVSportsnet now Rogers Sportsnet) over the winter break of the German leagues in January 2000. Owen had yet to play 1 minute with the senior side of Bayern and was recovering from a very bad injury suffered in October 1999 with the Bayern reserve side. At this point in time, England knew nothing of Owen Hargreaves and the battle for capping the 19 yr old was between Wales and Canada. I may be alone in believing he was sincere with these comments. The English only got interested in him in August 2000, when Owen played in some friendlies (one against Man United to celebrate the Bayern FC centenary). His subsequent rise to the senior Bayern side happened over the 2000-2001 season, with him earning rave reviews in the Champions League semi-final return leg vs Real Madrid and the final against Valencia.

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Thanks all

by Jeremy

Thanks guys. The context isn't particularly important, I'm just trying to correct the public misconception that he won't play for Canada because he was "snubbed" as a youth.

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Hargreaves thread - Soccer Central review - Hargreaves commits to Canada!

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http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/4693?it=357

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Wow, how the hell did you find that ? (nm)

by Winnipeg Fury

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Better to do this

by DJT

Give the URL for WF's actual post: http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/message?forumid=4693&messageid=947968974

The URL you posted will always point at that page, but WF's post will move off that page as we post more stuff on this front page. The URL I posted will always point at WF's post. Since this topic keeps coming up, it would be a good idea to save this URL/post.

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hey interesting scrolling through the old post no Moosehead or Doyle G.....

by Moosehead

but lots of interesting posts and posters and names that you don't hear of now. i noticed Gerry Gentile had made some posts. Canada was ranked at 59 in the world by FIFA in 2000 but the CPSL was in its infancy and of course there was no Calgary Storm and the Impact was just rejoining the A-LEAGUE. Amazing what all has happened in 2 years.



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Yes, nice wasn't it! :) nm

by DRC

nm

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That Pizzolitto/Biello thread was quite interesting!

by Gian-luca

I didn't come on board until mid-November of 2000, so I missed the early days of discussion on this board with respect to Holger's era. Have to say I miss Enzo's posts, even if I didn't always agree they were quite informative.

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It's interesting to see how the board has changed

by Tyler

I see it in my own posts. I see the maturity. I tihnk my first post was in agreement with somebody who suggested that de Vos should be moved up to forward.
lol

I also miss a lot of those posters. Klaus, Red + White Hooligan, Monty etc.

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Some thoughts

by JayWay

Interesting reading all the negative Pinnozato comments about lack of of offense and his tactics being ****.

This was back in 99, AND HE'S STILL IN CHARGE AND UNDERCOACHING!

And it's great going through the Gold Cup threads, reliving all the joy. Depressing though reading the anticipation of WC qualifying that followed and knowing what dissapointment we were in store for

Lets hope we don't go through that this time around.

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Good reading...

by matthew

Man I forgot how I wouldn't let go of the idea of Bunbury getting back into the squad. Oh well.... you forget how many of those posters are gone.

cheers,
matthew

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University games bid a step closer for Saskatoon - chance for soccer specific stadium?

by Mooshead

University games bid a step closer for Saskatoon
Four other countries remain in hunt

Darren Bernhardt
The StarPhoenix (Saskatoon)


Monday, July 15, 2002
ADVERTISEMENT


Saskatoon's bid committee for the 2007 World University Summer Games has moved another step closer to its target of hosting one of the planet's largest sporting events.

Saskatoon is officially in the running with four other cities from around the globe to host the games. The others are Bangkok, Thailand; Poznan, Poland; Kaoshiung, Taiwan; and Monterrey, Mexico.

Although the deadline for bid applications had initially been set at the end of January 2002, it was extended to the end of June. The games' executive council met recently in Korea and released the list of cities that made the deadline.

Saskatoon and the other four comprised the entire list. The next step is for games officials to perform site inspections. They are expected to be in Saskatoon in September, said bid committee chair Peter Zakreski.

The announcement as to which city will host the games will be made in January 2003.

"It's been an interesting ride since March 7, 2001, when we first decided to go after this," said Zakreski.

The only time a Canadian city has hosted the games was Edmonton in 1983. The only other North American host was Buffalo, N.Y., in 1993.

Saskatoon was approved as Canada's bid city late last year after Canadian Interuniversity Sport (CIS) officials toured the city and gave their official endorsement. As such, the bid committee changed its name to reflect that, calling itself Team Canada 2007.

Marg McGregor, CIS chief executive officer, said at the time evaluators were impressed with the close collaboration between the city, the University of Saskatchewan and other partners.

Team Canada 2007 is now working on "about 20" strategies necessary to get the games.

One of the main concerns is transportation and how to get 8,000 people -- 4,000 athletes and 2,000 coaches, medical and technical staff -- in and out and around Saskatoon.

There would be another 1,200 to 1,500 international media.

The bid committee has met with Air Canada officials, who have assured them the airline would provide the necessary service as it has done for the Pan Am Games in Winnipeg, the Commonwealth Games in Victoria and the world track and field championships in Edmonton.

"They can't go out five years from now and say what it's going to be like but from what they see now, they're prepared to stand up and say, 'We can do it,' " said Zakreski. The to-do list also includes meal services, security and facilities.

"These are the kind of things we need to be able to stand up and show to the site inspection team when they come to town in September," said Zakreski. "The other key thing we're doing is having a group of masters students at the U of S doing an economic impact study. That will be done by the first week in September."

Then there's the additional housing that would be created around the U of S campus and in downtown, he said.

"It's a horrendous amount of work but it's exciting," said Zakreski. "It would put Saskatoon on the map. What an opportunity to showcase the city and the province."

The budget is still projected at $36 million.

This doesn't include the housing costs.

One-third of the funding would come from the federal government, one-third from the province and the final third from the city and other agencies. The city has already committed $6 million.

Zakreski reiterated the benefits of hosting the games, which would include new housing in Riversdale and at the U of S, and improvements to facilities such as Griffiths Stadium.

The prestigious 10-sport event includes swimming, diving, gymnastics, athletics, fencing, soccer, basketball, volleyball, water polo and tennis. The host committee has the option of adding three other sports.



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Nope...

by Gordon

...the plan calls for an upgrade and expansion of Griffiths Stadium which is part of the U of S and used for football, soccer and track and Field. Multi use facities, unfortunately, are the only way to go in a smaller city like Saskatoon. But a 10,000 seat Griffiths would still be a good location to watch Canada play.

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A-League coverage by Sportsnet would look good now.....

by DoyleG

Given the fact that each region now has a team to go with it.

Whitecaps (Pacific)
Storm (West)
Lynx (Ontario)
Impact (East)

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flexible coverage on Sportsnet...

by

I really wanted to see that Lynx footage.
I taped the sports news at 2am and playing it back they had hilights of the Vancouver--Calgary game.

Then this morning the 6:30am sports had the Lynx--Rochester game.

Hey, I can watch both but would rather have them both on the same show even it displaced one of the about 15 baseball games they had hilights from.





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If they can show lacrosse...

by DoyleG

They sure can show A-League soccer on Sportsnet.

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Fox SWC not mentioning aleague on sportslink

by RC

why are they not mentioning Canada's 4 aleague teams on their show or even mentioning MLS on their show?
I shut off sportslink after soccer info. I get bored watching mountain biking,rugby,cycling,yachting etc and I think sportslink should be all soccer for 1/2 hour. Even cover CPSL as I would like to hear about Hamilton Thunder where our Calgary Storm got its last 4 players from.
We need our fix of aleague info in Canada and maybe Sportsnet should pick up aleague and MLS info.

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Anyone know of any Liverpool-friendly bars in Toronto?

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I was wondering if anyone knows of any sports bars/ pubs in the toronto area that show/support Liverpool FC.
The only bar I really know of is Scallywags on St. Clair and its a Man U. house.
I know this is pushing it, but also if anyone knows of any leeds friendly pubs, my friend wants to know.

Thanks all

John Hall


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LIVERPOOL FRIENDLY PUBS IN TO

by BANG EM IN BINGHAM

I THINK THE DUKE OF GLOUCESTER HAD A SUPPORTERS CLUB
RUNNING OUT OF THERE, A SCOUSER NAMED GRAHAM WAS INVOLVED....LEEDS? FRIENDLY??? JUST KIDDING!!!

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Hargreaves Press Conference

by Ed

With the late notice of the cancellation a number of Cdn sports writers / TV types / etc showed up at the Sheraton Cavalier.
I'm sure you'll hear from them on the issue.
Robert Schwan, a long time Bayern man, who joined the club in 1964 and was part of the group that turned Bayern into a club known round the world, died Saturday night.
Owen was in town until late yesterday preparing for this news conference but was ordered back by his club in no uncertain terms and had to fly out yesterday evening.
His agent, Roman Grill, fielded questions to those who showed up and appeared genuinely upset that the opportunity to have Owen meet the Cdn press was lost.

Fire away.

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Lame excuse...

by Winnipeg Fury

Once again Canada gets snubbed, this time by some BM pencil-pusher who Owen probably never met.

He snubbed playing for us, lied to us on national television, wouldn't speak to the Canadian press at the World Cup, and now ditches his own press conference.

The country that gave him life and started his soccer career gets snubbed for some old geezer that OH probably didn't even know.

BM and Whoregreaves can both fu*k themselves. He's insulted Canada more than any player in our history. He's a parasite and Canada is better off without him.

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OH is playing chicken now.....

by DoyleG

The Canadian media wants answers to his decision. I guess he found that the pressure was too much and ran.

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Oh, come on

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No one is afraid of the Canadian media. This was out of his control and I'm sure he will reschedule at the earliest possible date.

Theres such a thing as being over sensitive about something. Next thing you know, you'll get pissed cause he calls an elevator a lift.

Alex

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Yeah Right!

by DoyleG

Owen knew he was going to be grilled by the media and decided to have nothing of it.

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Harsh

by Ed

but expected. No sitting on the fence I guess on this issue.
I think whoever is advising Owen from a media relations point of view has been doing a very poor job.
To snub the Cdn press at the World Cup was really not a great decision.
However, I don't believe he 'lied to us' in January 2000. See my post below in response to Jeremy.
And, given the amount of effort that went into this press conference, I think his agent and others are more than a bit disappointed with the events that led to him being called back. I really can't believe he 'ditched the press conference' on purpose.
I'm on your side, D. Just don't agree with the OH opinions all the time.


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No problem...

by Winnipeg Fury

On issues like this I take no prisoners.

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By the way, give me your feedback...

by Winnipeg Fury

on the Voyageur Cup a few threads up. I spent the afternoon running around town with a humidex reading of 45C and I would like to get some input on the trophy style.

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Article in German from Bayern Website about Hargreaves Return to Training

by CDN-in-Leipzig

Don't have time to translate it, but doesn't say anything about an emergency recall or attendance at Schwann's funeral. Team is already in training but most of the WM players were given extra holidays, I don't think the German WM players have returned to camp yet.

Urlaub beendet
Hargreaves wieder im Training



16.07.2002 | Der Urlaub ist beendet. Drei Wochen nach dem WM-Aus der englischen Nationalmannschaft hat Owen Hargreaves am Montagabend wieder das Training beim FC Bayern aufgenommen. Nach seiner Ankunft in Frankfurt war der 21-Jährige hatte sich sogleich ins Trainingslager des Rekordmeisters ins pfälzische Otterstadt begeben, wo er um 17.00 Uhr seine erste Einheit in der neuen Saison absolvierte.

Nach dem Waldlauf am Dienstagmorgen blickte Hargreaves dann nochmals zurück auf die letzten Wochen: „Es war sehr schön dabei zu sein“, sagte er rückblickend auf sein erstes WM-Turnier, bei dem er sich auf Anhieb in die Anfangsformation der „Three Lions“ gespielt hatte. „Schade nur, dass wir so früh ausgeschieden sind.“ England war im Viertelfinale am späteren Titelträger Brasilien gescheitert.

Hargreaves bezeichnete die WM-Teilnahme als sehr „interessant“ und verwies besonders auf die gute Stimmung und den guten Zusammenhalt in der englischen Mannschaft. „Es ist immer was besonderes, in der Nationalmannschaft zu spielen“, so Hargreaves weiter, der verriet, dass er im Training von Paul Scholes und David Beckham noch einiges lernen konnte.

Nach einem dreiwöchigen Urlaub mit Familie in Kanada und Mexiko („Das war wichtig, um sich zu erholen“) kehrte der Youngster voller Tatendrang nach Deutschland zurück. „Ich freue mich auf die Saison“, sagte Hargreaves und zeigte keinerlei Angst vor dem neu entfachten Konkurrenzkampf um die Stammplätze. „Ich habe im letzten Jahr fast jedes Spiel mitgemacht“, meinte die Arbeitsbiene im FCB-Mittelfeld, die in der abgelaufenen Spielzeit auf 29 Bundesliga-Einsätze kam. „Ich versuche immer das Beste zu geben und hoffe, dass ich mich durchsetzen kann.“

In Anbetracht des hochkarätig besetzten Mittelfelds mit den Neuzugängen Michael Ballack und Zé Roberto sowie den wiedergenesenen und –erstarkten Mehmet Scholl und Jens Jeremies wird sich Hargreaves auf jeden Fall mächtig ins Zeug legen müssen, damit Trainer Ottmar Hitzfeld auch in diesem Jahr nicht am gebürtigen Kanadier vorbei kommt. „Ich bin erst 21 und kann noch einiges lernen“, weiß Hargreaves einzuschätzen, dass er trotz zweier Profijahre erst am Anfang seiner (großen) Karriere steht.

Geht es nach ihm, wird er diese auch in den nächsten Jahren beim FC Bayern fortsetzen. „Es ist ganz normal als englischer Nationalspieler, dass englische Vereine um einen werben“, äußerte er sich über das Interesse einiger Premier League-Klubs, die das Bayern-Talent nach der WM gerne verpflichtet hätten. „Für mich ist das ein Kompliment, aber ich werde meinen Vertrag bis 2004 erfüllen.“

Im Vordergrund steht nun einmal die kommende Saison, für die Hargreaves durchaus optimistisch ist: „Wir haben eine tolle Mannschaft und können einiges bewegen.“ Und auch persönlich hat sich der Defensiv-Spieler etwas vorgenommen: „Es wird Zeit, dass ich endlich ein paar Tore mache!“


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It's the opening match of World Cup 2006 qualifying...

by JayWay

Who is Canada's starting 11?

Canada has a lot of young talent, I think this is the best up and coming talent crop Canada has ever experienced (granted I haven't really experienced any other young talent crop), and I think we have some dept so the starters aren't cut and dry.

I'm interested to hear your opinions. Consider where our talent will be in their development two years from now.

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Thoughts

by Free kick

I would suspect that the squad will not be significantly different from what we have seen in the Swiss friendly or the last game of the Gold cup. The recent progression of former U21 players Canada has been rather mixed. To name a few, Deguzman's move to top flight is very encouraging but Belotte's move to a second div Swedish is somewhat disappointing when you consider the high expectations ( fairly or unfairly) that we have placed on him. Therefore relying only on current info, I would have to re assess the need to include a player such as Wyn Belotte, for the time being.

The good news is that many of the current national team players are still a few years away from their prime and they should reach the peak of their careers at approximately the same time as the next qualifying matches start.

a guess at the starting eleven:

Hirshfeld, Devos, Mckenna, Menezies, Imhof, Brennan, Bent, Stalteri, DeGuzman, DeRosario, Radzinski.

Tony


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Well.....

by Gian-luca

Strikers - depending on a lot of factors & still somewhat iffy - Radzinski & De Rosario up front

Brennan, Stalteri, De Guzman, Bent, Nsaliwa in midfield

De Vos, Menezes, McKenna at the back

Lars in goal

Subs - Imhof, Hastings, Xausa, Belotte, Klukowski, Pozniak, Thunder, Nash

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a bit conservative...

by Moosehead

any other younger up and coming options and what about Titus, Budalic, Marco Reda and any young talent in the A-league and CPSL that may get contracts in Europe and could be in their early 20's at world cup 2006.

But I agree it hard to speculate on the youth.

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Moose, I need a favour RIGHT-NOW!!!!!

by Luis Rancagua

I want you to get on the phone immediately, and called Sepp Blatter. Tell him that we need to have a 40-Nations World-Cup.....

Just kidding around

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Shock therapy

by JayWay

n/t

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Whats his telephone number...........

by Moosehead

and how many extra spots should I request 4 and negotiate to 1 or 2.



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I can't see Reda surpassing DeVos or Menezes...

by Mike D

...or McKenna for that matter.

Titus is already over 30 so he'll be nearing the end of line two years from now, maybe he'l get a shot if we have injury problems...

Haven't seen this Budalic kid so who knows? I wouldn't mind seeing Abraham Osman of the Ottawa Wizards get a shot in a friendly either. Abe's got game.

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That's not to say I can't see Reda as a first tier backup to those two...

by Mike D

...but the question was about the starting eleven.

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Hopefully Holger will stick with a 4-4-2 after it worked so well...

by Mike D

...against Switzerland and in the Gold Cup.

My starting 11, barring injuries would therefore be:

GK: Forrest (assuming he doesn't decide to retire, in that case Hirschfeld)
LB: Hastings
RB: McKenna (he played right mid in the Confederations Cup so he should have no trouble as a right back)
CB: DeVos and Menezes
LM: Brennan
RM: Nsaliwa (assuming he progresses out of the German minor leagues, otherwise Imhoff or Bircham if he can be persuaded to return)
CM: Stalteri and DeGuzman (the Bundesliga Brothers?)
ST: Radzinski and DeRosario

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At this rate...

by Daniel

There is no WAY you can keep Tam Nsaliwa off the squad. He has been one of our brightest young stars and we want him to do even better than DMB did in 2002, seeing as he manhandled him in January.

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This discussion is positive...

by Mark

At least it's not the case that it has been in the past where'd we be asking who we could scrape from some 3rd division nothing team.

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Anyone know of any Liverpool-friendly bars in Toronto?

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I was wondering if anyone knows of any sports bars/ pubs in the toronto area that show/support Liverpool FC.
The only bar I really know of is Scallywags on St. Clair and its a Man U. house.
I know this is pushing it, but also if anyone knows of any leeds friendly pubs, my friend wants to know.

Thanks all

John Hall


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You are in luck

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... I can give you the name of the pub the LFC Supporters club hangs at, its called the Duke of Gloucester, and unfortunately I dont know the address, however, Im sure someone on here knows the directions, and if not, a site like Toronto.com or your friendly phonebook could help ya out on that

Allez Les Rouges

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Fantastic.

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Thanks mate! I know jus where it is.
If anyone else is curious its on the east side of Yonge st, between Bloor and Welesley. Its above an Indian resturant (Which prolly suits a british pub fine =)

Thanks again.

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Ultras at Canada/Norway

by Tyler

I picked up the group tickets today at OSA offices. The tickets are numbered from 3139 - and if that's any indication of the amount of tickets sold then we're in for a fair sized crowd. The girl in charge of tickets also expects a full sellout.

People attending with the Ultras group should arrive early as possible to ensure a seat in the grandstands. It's just general admission so if we dont get seats we're off to the lawn. No lawn chairs allowed.

Cheers

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Let's get there early ...

by Jarrek

And Set up the supporters section in the traditional Ultras area of the stadium.

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TYLER

by

as you know i ll be there after work ,i think around 6.45 so how can i get min ,do you have a cell phon.you can e mail it to me ,my email addrees is here,so i can find you there,or i can meet you front of stadum ,

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Reuters: CONCACAF calls for additional World Cup berth

by Shawn

CONCACAF calls for additional World Cup berth

July 15, 2002

NEW YORK (Reuters) - The Confederation of North, Central American and Caribbean Association Football (CONCACAF) wants four places for the 2006 World Cup, its president Jack Warner has said.

Based on the performance of the confederation's three representatives at the 2002 World Cup -- the United States, Mexico and Costa Rica -- Warner believes CONCACAF has earned an additional spot increasing its allocation to four.

"I have let it be known, at all the levels that count, that we shall make every possible effort to obtain a fourth place for CONCACAF in the World Cup of 2006," said Warner, who is also a vice-president of FIFA, world soccer's governing body.

"It is only right and proper that we should be able to send our best four because who in the world can argue that our best three did not stand up to the best the other confederations have to offer?

"And who can argue that our best four could not do the same?"

The U.S. carried the CONCACAF banner the furthest in South Korea and Japan, reaching the quarter-finals for the first time since 1930 where they were beaten 1-0 by Germany.

Mexico also surprised by finishing top of Group G, ahead of three-times World Cup winners Italy and Croatia, who finished third in 1998.

Costa Rica failed to qualify for the second phase after losing out on goal difference to Turkey, who were beaten by eventual winners Brazil in the semi-finals.

With the holders no longer automatically qualifying for the 2006 finals, FIFA's member confederations are all expected to engage in intense lobbying for the coveted berth.

FIFA president Sepp Blatter has also hinted at a redistribution of the 32 places.

Asia, which threatened to pull out of the 2002 World Cup if it did not receive an additional spot, currently has four and a half, which includes a playoff berth, and is seeking five.

Ireland beat Iran in the playoffs to deny Asia a fifth representative at last month's tournament.

Oceania has also been seeking an automatic berth rather than having to playoff for a place in the finals.

The African Confederation also feels it deserves an additional place given the rapid growth of the sport in the continent.


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Asia wants five spots, do they?

by Gian-luca

What better way the reward the first region ever to place two teams at #31 & #32 in a World Cup than to give them an additional full spot? Obviously the worse your region does, the more spots you should get - that must be their thinking.

Africa clearly deserves six spots as well, after all, if you can only ever get 1 team into the second round of a World Cup, you might as well have 5 other African teams eliminated in the first round, instead of the usual 4.

While we're at it, lets give Oceania two full spots, maybe Australia can become the first nation to qualify twice for the same World Cup.

Does anyony have a sarcastic smilie they can lend to me?

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Don't listen to Jack Warner....

by DoyleG

He's been on the funny farm too long.

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Couldn't agree more (nm)

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To be fair...

by DJT

...Asia (at least general secretary Peter Velappan) knows that they have a problem. Not everyone there is blindly asking for another spot. This article was already posted here, but it was easier for me to find this link:
http://www.onefootball.com/index.phtml?page=fullstory&country_id=230&newsid=117887&0

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Are Vancouver and Victoria a mistake for the U19's?

by James MacLeod

If someone asked me which cities would be good in August, I wouldnot have said Vancouver.

Soccer is so complete dead here in the summer.

At least in Ontario the leagues would be operating wouldn't they?

the chances of communicating to the soccer body is pretty much nil right now here.



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re

by Free kick

But from what I gathered from the Fifa article, the ticket sales have gone well in Edmonton and the organizers sound pleased so far. Plus Victoria citizens turned out in good numbers for the last WYC qualifying round. I have a feeling it will go well even in Vancouver.

My initial fear with this event is that Canada was being unfairly put to the test by FIFA using and event that likely has the lowest prestige of all the FIFA tournaments. That being because it is the first such tournament ever therefore it has no history.

Tony



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Look at the China example.

by DoyleG

The only FIFA event that China hosted before the '91 Women's World Cup was the '85 U-17 Championships. They had hosted the youth tournament with huge success and it translated to the Womens World Cup, which was the lowest tournament at the time.

We are in the same position. I'm sure we can do well.

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Fifa.com : A write up on the upcomming U19 Womens WC

by Free kick

FIFA Women's Under 19 Championship
Canada - a natural setting for the women's game
By Paul Gains

Awarding the first ever women's under 19 world championship to Canada, a country more renowned for its proficiency in ice hockey than football, might have raised eyebrows around the world but upon closer examination the decision is brilliant.

There are more registered footballers in Canada than ice hockey players making it the most popular participation sport in the country. Of course there aren't too many hockey administrators willing to admit this fact. Even more significant is the fact that thirty-eight per cent of all these footballers are female. Clearly women's football enjoys great respect on these shores.

Organisers of the twelve team tournament, which runs from August 17th to September 1st, including the Canadian Soccer Association's Chief Operating Officer, Kevan Pipe, and its past President, Jim Fleming, have had a clear vision from the beginning. Rather than schedule the tournament in one of Canada's two largest cities, Toronto and Montreal, where it might be swallowed by a glut of North American professional sports, they have chosen three western cities where football enjoys widespread popularity and which have proven records of sporting hospitality.

Indeed each of the venues is a natural setting for the game. Victoria is the picturesque capital of the province of British Columbia and is located on Vancouver Island. In 1994 this city of 326,000 hosted the Commonwealth Games and it is also home of the highly acclaimed University of Victoria men's and women's football teams.

Across the bay on the mainland is nearby Vancouver, a true multicultural city of almost two million people and widely recognised as one of the most beautiful cities in the world. Finally the city of Edmonton, capital of Alberta, with its population of almost one million people is known as the City of Champions. Both semi-final matches as well as the final will be played here in Commonwealth Stadium and so to will all Group A matches.


>Sasha Andrews Photo courtesy CSA

Commonwealth Stadium has hosted many important international events including the 1978 Commonwealth Games, the 1983 World Student Games and last summer's highly successful 8th World Championships in Athletics. All three events have earned Edmontonians an enviable reputation for staging important events.

From a football perspective Commonwealth Stadium was the site of an historic moment in Canadian football. It was here, before the largest crowd ever to witness an international soccer match in the country, that Canada earned a 1-1 draw against Brazil in a pre-world cup friendly in 1994. Such was the resulting euphoria that the scorer of the Canadian goal, Eddie Berdusco, has recreated that magic moment at sports celebrity dinners across the country many times since.

Organisers have been busy marketing the women's U-19 tournament with encouraging results. The majority of the matches will be televised on SportsNet, one of the two national sports television networks.

The biggest boost has been in the area of ticket sales. By early May all 40,000 passes, which allow access to all matches staged at Commonwealth Stadium, had been sold through youth soccer associations. Several thousand more were sold through a licensed ticket agent to people in both the United States and other parts of Canada.

"The biggest challenge, I think, was getting people to believe we could sell this number of tickets. " says Paul Kuin, Venue Coordinator for the Commonwealth Stadium, "The local media has been supportive and Mayor Bill Smith has too. Now the city is really behind the tournament."

Kuin says the city's reputation for outstanding volunteerism is intact. A call for volunteers resulted in more than one thousand people, men and women, boys and girls stepping forward to help in a variety of tasks: opening ceremonies, flag bearers, ball girls and team hosts among them. The opening and closing ceremonies are expected to be truly magnificent in their own right.

The other venues are much smaller, more intimate but no less exciting to play in. Centennial Stadium in Victoria has 7,000 seats while Vancouver's Swangard Stadium can seat 8,000. They will be close to capacity particularly since many Canadian team members play locally.

For many years Swangard has been the home of Canada's premier football club, the Vancouver Whitecaps, and has also hosted many international matches including a friendly in 1986 between England and Canada. Many Canadians believe the awarding of the women's under 19 tournament is the first step in winning a men's world cup bid somewhere in the future. It will also do much for football in the country.



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Note to Winnipeg Fury ... Re: Cup Trophy

by Jarrek

Just wanted to say, that it's best to get the "best" possible looking silverware that is available with the current amount of funds that we have (or will raise).

The Voyageurs Cup will be a symbol and a lasting legacy of what we as fans are capable of.

Let's make it really special.









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I agree...

by Gordon

...no sense in fudging the effort. This will require a further injection of funds for shipping and insurance, engraving and any other incidentals that may arise.

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Winnipeg Fury: Trophy Ideas

by Tyler

I was searching around and I found this site.

http://www.rsowens.com/

They're an American outfit. Some of their stuff looks really nice, though prices can get high. Still, you might get some ideas.

Go to products > Loving Cups > once there there's 2 categories, Awards Cups and Winner's Circle

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More Ideas ...

by Jarrek

The Finest Trophies
http://www.silvertrophy.com The Complete Online Trophy Store Engraved silver trophies in 5 days

Dinn Trophy
http://www.dinntrophy.com

SILVERTROPHY makes the best trophies in the world ...


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This is a nice one but we will need a bit more in donations

by Moosehead

http://www.silvertrophy.com/eric/modules/catalogue/product.asp?id=343&t=1

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... something different perhaps?

by mark bick

...yes the money is on its way. I was thinking that perhaps there's a more energetic, timely tribute that could he done. I doubt the winning team will parade the trophy anywhere...might be brought out for the first home game... but otherwise collect dust in an office that few soccer fans go to.

Then you have to collect the trophy, package it, engrave it...hell, if a team disbands, you might have a tough time tracking it down. So perhaps it would be better to have a two-pronged reward, in place.

An engraved silver plate for the team to keep...perhaps presented at the beginning of the new season by a local voyageur...and see if the team would be willing to sell a block of 20 tickets for $100 to give to participants, coaches of special olympic teams...or some other worthy good -deeders. That could generate some press, and avoid the hassle of gathering, shipping and engraving a trophy.

There is appeal to a trophy, especially if it gets some longevity going... but perhaps a silver plate,tickets, publicity for the club would be more rewarding than a trophy that probably few will view. If the combo silverplate/ticket giveaway costs around $250 a year, I believe that you would probably be able to cover the first 3 years in current donations...you could also put out some new t-shirts etc. to get money coming in. Just a thought...




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Yes...The key is longevity

by Free kick

I once heard a concern voiced that the trophy may not be valued by players and/or team. In fact, I would expect this to happen initially but it does not meam that the effort is not a noble one. The Stanley Cup or any other championship or trophy did not gain its prestige overnight.

Tony

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I'm sure that it will be valued.

by Krammerhead

The A-League isn't a league dripping with silverware. I'm sure the players would appreciate it.

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I spent the day shopping for trophies....

by Winnipeg Fury

and have narrowed things down a bit. Consensus was a trophy in a cup style. Many of the nicer Cup trophies state silver plating. The cup is often silver plating, but the stem is often plastic. Simply not good enough.

Shipping will also be very expensive.

Many of the trophies have side handles that are somewhat frail. Flying this trophy across Canada over the years will mean this trophy will have to be as rugged and tough as a Southsider/Ultra.

I actually like the wine-cooler look. It's solid metal, very sturdy, and should hold up well to the rigors of the Canadian professional scene. Some may view it as low-brow and spartan, but in many ways it typifies Canadian soccer and it's supporters.

The other main stlye is the ornate cup with elegant side handles, and the high-end ones are very nice. Unfortunetly unless you go very high-end, the Cup is silver plated but the stem is plastic. The style usually has the side handles jutting out far, and it may not be the most ideal style if we want this trophy to last for more than a few years. To get the quality we need, it may be too expensive. A very classy look, but somewhat fragile.

Regardless of the Cup style, I like the black octagon base, and the shields for engraving will definetly be in the shape of maple leaves.

I'm getting some quotes on the high-end classy style, but what do you guys think of the silver-plated wine cooler on a first class base ?

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After you give me your feedback...

by Winnipeg Fury

I would like to thank Mike D, for his contribution to the Voyageur Cup.

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DeRosario and Quakes in Seattle on Wednesday

by Jeffrey S.

US Open Cup match vs. the Sounders July 17, in the first round where 8 A-League teams already gone through meet the MLSers.

Colorado will be in Charleston, too far to see Titus play.

Winners go to quarter finals.

Re the All-Star game, news of Yallop being named coach of the MLS squad seemed to meticulously avoid mentioning his nationality, as if that would contaminate his reputation. Anyone recall anything different from an MLS release?

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A Call for all the Voyageurs ...

by Jarrek

A Call for all the Voyageurs ...

If you haven't already, please contribute any amount to the Voyageurs Cup. We as fans have to show the Canadian Soccer brass what we are capable of, and if soccer is to advance in this country, it will only advance through:

ORGINIZED FAN SUPPORT

Visit http://www.canadian-soccer.com/voyageurscup.html to see how you can contribute.

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Calgary Herald: Hardly Banner Seasons for Storm, Whitecaps

by Winnipeg Fury

Hardly banner seasons for Storm, Whitecaps
 

Calgary Herald


History will show this season was a mess for both the Calgary Storm and the Vancouver Whitecaps.

There has been turbulence in the front office and rocky times on the field for both soccer clubs .

Storm chairman Michael Vandale has gritted his teeth and hung through poor attendance as the team posted a 1-14-3 record heading into Sunday night's game in Vancouver. The club had only reached the halfway mark of its first A-League season when the Storm's coach, Thomas Niendorf, was dismissed and replaced with Tommy Wheeldon, a former English league pro.

In the first three games under Wheeldon, the Storm managed a tie as it fell deeper into the Pacific Division basement. The team's most recent loss was a 3-0 setback in Seattle on Friday. The Storm had not won a game since it beat the Minnesota Thunder on May 4.

In Vancouver, Whitecaps owner David Stadnyk bailed last month, forcing the A-League to take over the operation of the franchise. Stadnyk left, predicting losses would be near $800,000.

The difference is that Vancouver has a longer soccer tradition and a larger fan base. Even with the struggles this season, the Whitecaps have the third best average attendance in the league. Prior to Sunday night, the average Whitecaps crowd at Swangard Stadium was close to 4,500. They were still losing money.

When the league took over the team, one of the first moves was to give Bob Lenarduzzi the task of restoring the team's image. Lenarduzzi, a former player, coach and GM, had been fired as the Whitecaps general manager at the end of last season. It was no surprise to anyone in Vancouver that he answered the SOS when the league cried for help.

He was asked to put tighter controls on the cash going out the front-office door while at the same time improving the competitive nature of the club.

The early results have been encouraging. As Calgary came in, the Whitecaps had won their last two games and had moved into third place in the Pacific Division with a 6-6-4 record (30 points).

"We're trying to get it in shape for a buyer," Lenarduzzi recently told Vancouver Province columnist Kent Gilchrist. "That's the sole objective."

With the season rapidly coming to an end, it now seems any sale of the Whitecaps will wait until the end of the season. But there is a group in B.C.'s Lower Mainland that is studying the purchase of the club and there are appeals from many that Lenarduzzi be involved with any new ownership group.

© Copyright  2002 Calgary Herald


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Hargreave's Press conference

by Drifter

Wasn't this supposed to take place today....does anybody know what happened?

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Yes, it's today (nm)

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Cancelled

by Ed

Late notice sent out close to midnight last night. Owen was recalled to Bayern yesterday.


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Ahahhaha

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Oh baby, this aint gonna help his popularity in Canada. Everyone is starting to see what OW is really made of.

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Surprise, Surprise ... Recalled, or was it a mysterious injury?

by Jarrek

Wanker.

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This sounds planned

by Jeffrey S.

I know Bayern is actually in the midst of preseason and some WC players are there, like Roque Santa Cruz who played till the final 16 with Paraguay (and was horribly injured yesterday, could be out for months). So certainly Owen knew he'd have to get going soon enough. Surely the idea was to chat and run anyways. So now it is just run.

Some Canadian fans are just fools.

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Doubt it

by Ed

Conspiracy theories??
I will try to unearth them for you J.
But I think it's just bad luck on OH's part.
I wonder if Arsenal upped their bid?

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Ed, an observation if you don't mind

by Jeffrey S.

Less cynicism please and more knowledge about how this intriciacies work.

All players are usually given set fixed days to be back training well before they leave their clubs. WC players all get more time than others, that is normal. And these days are set well in advance of holidays, well in advance of anything else. Usually they have to appear at such and such a training session at a specific time even.

Usually what happens is that players, esp living far off (like S. Americans) arrive a couple days late and piss off managers. Claim family probs, dad's health, airline hassles as excuses. And nonchalantly drift in late, weathering the minor fines.

Do you think that Bayern had set a day for OH and then, on almost no notice, advanced it, he said yes in spite of them going against their set word probably established 2 months ago, and it just happened that by one day it cut out his much-desired press conference?

I am not talking about conspiracy, it is just a matter of understanding that players have very clear ideas about holidays from their clubs, and it is not normal for a German club like BM especially, rigourously organised and not prone to lax administration, to capriciously change their mind from one day to another.

What is more, I'd say Owen requested this from the club as the press conference came closer. And if he really wanted this meet the press, why didn't he schedule it earlier, not the last day, to be able to do any necessary follow-ups?

I think we all should open our eyes a bit and not be so naive.

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I always thought...

by DJT

...that this conference was scheduled awfully late. I mean, what does July 15 have to do with anything? Wouldn't it have made more sense to do this right after the World Cup?

Of course, with what Jeffrey said here, July 15 makes a lot more sense.

In the end who really cares. Honestly, I completely forgot about this interview until now. I wonder why.

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Re: I always thought...

by Jeremy

Bayern put out a feeler over the wire as to whether the press wanted a conference DURING the earlier stages of the world cup, not afterward.


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Huh? If that's the case then ...

by Jarrek

Obviously Bayern needs a serious lesson in event management.

Why schedule something when you know that you might run out of time to hold it?

Blunder.

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A hoax again...

by Dennis

I kind of expected this to happen and I even sent an e-mail to Inside Soccer stating so ,saying that I expected this to be a hoax.
So let's find out who,what and why.

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basic Communications theory

by Dave

When the media is onto something negative, throw them a bone by making a promise for something in the future. That satisfies them and they move on to other things. Since the media has the attention span of your average Chimpanzee (and a slightly lower IQ) they will doubtless have forgotten about the promise when the date in question rolls around. I took enough Communications courses... trust me, they teach this stuff in grad school to aspiring Spin Doctors.

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Re: basic Communications theory

by Jeremy

Wow, you took a communications course, so you're qualified to pre-judge the media as "chimpanzees."
God, what an idiotic statement.

We have things called daybooks, calendars, even the occasional palm pilot and there is NOBODY more scheduled on the face of this planet than the media (well, except maybe NASA). Our entire business runs on schedules. What do you think a deadline is?

Any flak who thinks a "promise for something in the future" is gonna get them anything other than a target on their back should look for work in another field. Aside from calendars, we also have exceedingly long memories.

You haven't even gotten the basic strategy right. If a flak is dealing with a negative story they have several options, but attempting to buy silence with a promise of something down the road? What planet are you living on? There is nothing that pisses a reporter off more than being asked to not write a particular story.

And while I'm at it, since when did plunking down a loonie for a paper make everyone a goddamn expert on the media. What do you do for a living, Dave? Maybe you'd like someone like me, who is doutbless a chimpanzee when it comes to knowing how to do your job, critizing it mindlessly and publicly?

People don't like what they read sometimes and they don't like what they perceive to be the media's reasons for covering one topic over another topic. But not liking what your read is a far cry from knowing how it got that way and having VALID, LEGITIMATE and INTELLIGENT criticism -- which my industry needs in abundance.

There are numerous people who've taken shots at papers on this board and will testify that I've actually agreed with them. But to simply classify people as "chimpanzees" is as stupid as saying all lawyers are evil, all politicans are crooked and all doctors have sloppy penmanship. Why do people think it's any less ignorant to categorize someone by their job than it is to do so by their race or where they were born?



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Sounds awfully suspicious....

by Winnipeg Fury

Notification sent out at midnight ?!

Why would Owen be called back in the middle of the night ?

Owen must have got cold feet, so Bayern issued some crap press release about him being recalled for no apparent reason, other than to take the heat off the scum.

It's icing on the cake as far as I'm concerned. He wants nothing to do with Canada or Canadian soccer and has lied to the Canadian public once again.

Owen can win every trophy in the world and it will always be secondary to the fact that he turned his back on Canada.



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At this point

by Free kick

We can safely say that our national team is better off without him. Who would want someone on their team who can cannot stand up and be counted and who cannot face the music when it comes time to justify his actions or decisions.

These kind of actions tells you alot about the kind of character that we are dealing.
Tony

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Turn coat

by Drifter

I for one am not surprised at Owen's getting out of it. He is a turn coat and proved once and for all that he is a wimp. Or maybe he got stick when he came back from fellow Canadians and got scared and turned tail. Oh well, lets stop talking about him - he has nothing to do with Canadian soccer or our country anymore, therefore we should leave him in the past.

Sad but I think VERY true.

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Rad speaks of EPL, sorry if it's a repeat.

by Kevin in NS

http://msn.skysports.com/skysports/article/0,,1860-1057679,00.html

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Toronto SUN: Lynx raging over Rhinos and against civic snub

by Jarrek

Lynx raging over Rhinos and against civic snub

By MIKE KOREEN, TORONTO SUN

When the Toronto Lynx needed help, the city of Toronto gave the boot to the professional soccer team.

Lynx chief operating officer Nicole Hartrell still is angry about the city's decision to kick the A-League team out its home facility -- the city-run Etobicoke Centennial Stadium -- when municipal workers went on strike last month.

The Lynx (5-9-3) recorded a surprising 2-0 win over the two-time defending league champion Rochester Raging Rhinos before a crowd of 1,293 last night at York University Stadium -- the Lynx's temporary home -- but the great result doesn't eliminate the team's off-field concerns.

"The most frustrating thing for me is that obviously the city's decision-makers have the power to exempt certain events (allowing events to continue during the strike)," said Hartrell, whose team's average attendance has dropped 40% to about 1,600 this season.

"I found about a week into the strike they exempted the Robbie (International Soccer) Tournament (at Birchmount Stadium), they exempted a Korean soccer event at (Etobicoke) Centennial and the Ribfest at Centennial.

"Here we are, Division I soccer, the highest level of soccer in the country, with the World Cup going on and, how ironic, (Canada's) not in it. We're not in it because we don't get that kind of (good) support (from the government)."

The Lynx are staying at York for the rest of the month before returning to Etobicoke for their final three home games of the season. York, however, has no lights, meaning the Lynx have to move weeknight start times to 6:30 p.m.

"All the staff we have in place had to go into damage control mode (during the strike)," Hartrell said. "You picture calling thousands and thousands of people who have purchased tickets to let them know about venue and time changes."

The good news is the Lynx are giving away far fewer tickets than during their first five years in the league, when they played at Varsity Stadium. Also, York is considering adding lights to the stadium. Hartrell is meeting with university officials this week to discuss moving the team to the 3,500-seat facility next season.

Niki Budalic and Brian Ashton, on a penalty shot, scored for the Lynx, who are 10 points out of a playoff spot. The Lynx play host to the Vancouver Whitecaps Friday.

BRIEFLY: The Canadian national women's soccer team will face Norway in an exhibition match Wednesday at 7 p.m., at Etobicoke Centennial.

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Isn't afraid to speak out.

by DoyleG

Nice to hear that.

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Lynx on SportsNet

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Well, I knew they brought a camera to the game BUT they are showing the highlites early in the show, usually baseball and like hockey get the start of the show but 5 min in they showed highlites of last nights game. Great work sportsnet, its a start!

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Whitecaps-Storm game report.

by Krammerhead

I've got a full game report on my site. No photos yet as tripod keeps telling me I have some sort of javascript error when I try to upload my photos.

http://newheads.tripod.com/swangardsouth/id1.html

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match photos now up.

by Krammerhead

Apologies for the quality. My camera doesn't like shadows and after resizing them so that tripod webhost doesn't crap too much-they will anyway and shut me down as usual for a while-the quality always is less than good.

Posted on Jul 15, 2002, 7:38 PM
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MLS attendance up to July 13th....

by DoyleG

Total Attendance To Date - 1366833

Average Attendance To Date - 16081

Season High - 61202

Season Low - 6317

http://www.mlsnet.com/schedules/

Posted on Jul 15, 2002, 2:47 AM
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