Best OF Bulldogs: A Professional Bulldog Breed Forum

Welcome to Best of Bulldogs! This forum was strictly designed for those bulldog enthusiasts who like to share and exchange health and medical advice as well as discuss/post/brag about show results, breedings, bulldog events and daily happenings. This is a professional forum that allows you the opportunity to communicate with each other in a mature manner while discussing our breed. The Best Of Bulldogs forum is like no other Internet communication board, this is not only a professional place, but it is personal as well. We encourage our fellow BCA friends to gather and get to know each other, keep in touch between shows, all while sharing and exchanging our knowledge and experience on bettering the breed.
PLEASE NOTE: This forum is not to be used in anyway to sell or advertise bulldogs- pictures containing puppies, must clearly state "not for sale." Each & every picture posted on the Best Of Bulldogs Forum is the property of the person posting them & the Best Of Bulldogs forum owner only. Copying photos without permission is prohibited & legal action will be taken. Does anyone know what happened to...
by Old friend (Login sovbulls)
Ana Sootin?? Not showing, not judging, disappeared. TIA.

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She is still around..
by (Login Infobitch)
AND is still judging. Our club contacted her about judging recently. If you look her up on AKC site, you will find her.

Countdown-Clocks

Posted on Nov 11, 2009, 8:02 PM
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We are in 7th place-
by Karen Farrish (Login KarenLoveABullRescueAZ)
in the "America's Favorite Shelter" contest!
(thousands are entered!)

Please help the rescue bulldogs win! We could help so many bulldogs with that money... Thanks guys! If you would tell a friend we need all the votes we can get. Everyone can vote ONCE.
Click:http://www.care2.com/animalsheltercontest/73458

Karen
Love-A-Bull Rescue AZ
www.loveabullrescue.com
480.593.6559

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scratch that...we are 5th place!
by (Login KarenLoveABullRescueAZ)
THANK YOU!
And if you haven't voted yet, please do!

Karen
Love-A-Bull Rescue AZ
www.loveabullrescue.com
480.593.6559

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Las Vegas Mandatory S/N - Good Info, Please Make your voices heard!
by (Login wardbull)
The full text of this alert can be found on our website athttp://www.akc.org/news/index.cfm?article_id=4005

The committee reviewing the proposed mandatory spay/neuter ordinance chose to send it back to the full city council without a recommendation. The measure will be heard at the November 18th city council meeting. Concerned fanciers and responsible dog owners and breeders need to attend this meeting to ensure that your voices are heard!

Las Vegas City Council Meeting

Wednesday, November 18th

9am

City Council Chambers

400 Stewart Avenue
Las Vegas, NV 89101

If you are unable to attend the meeting, please email the council members and let them know about your concerns.

Mayor Oscar B. Goodman Ogoodman@lasvegasnevada.gov

Councilwoman Lois Tarkanian LTarkanian@lasvegasnevada.gov

Councilman Steve Wolfson SWolfson@lasvegasnevada.gov

Mayor Pro Tem Gary Reese GReese@lasvegasnevada.gov

Councilman Stavros S. Anthony SAnthony@lasvegasnevada.gov

Councilman Steven D. Ross SRoss@lasvegasnevada.gov

Councilman Ricki Y. Barlow RBarlow@lasvegasnevada.gov

Silver State Kennel Club Legislative Liaison Ken Sondej (4winds@viawest.net) is coordinating speakers for the meeting. You can also contact the AKC Government Relations Department at doglaw@akc.org for additional information. Thank you for your attention to this important issue.

Provisions of the Ordinance

All dogs and cats over the age of 4 months must be spayed or neutered unless the owner qualifies for one of the following exemptions:
holds a valid dog fancier, cat fancier permit, breeder permit or professional animal handler permit
the dog is used by a law enforcement agency as a law enforcement dog
the dog is used by a search and rescue agency for search and rescue activities
Please note that many search and rescue dogs are privately owned and would not be exempt under the current proposal
The dog is a service animal such as a guide animal, hearing animal, assistance animal, seizure alert animal or social/therapy animal
The dog is being used by a pound, shelter, humane society or similar organization, whether public or private, the principal purpose of which is securing the adoption of dogs or cats, provided that such organization has a policy and rules requiring the spaying or neutering of all dogs and cats placed for adoption
All puppies or kittens born to dogs and cats that have not been spayed/neutered as required will be forfeited and may be given to the local shelter for adoption
This is a particularly puzzling provision if the goal is to reduce the number of animals in the shelter. Why would the city confiscate puppies and kittens who would likely find good homes without their interference? A fine would be understandable, but confiscation is unreasonable.
Fines for violation
$250 for a first offense
$500 for a second offense
$1000 for a third offense
These fines are outrageously high and will likely force some owners to surrender their pets
The fine is reduced by 80% if the animal is sterilized within 30 days, however as these surgeries themselves cost hundreds of dollars, that does not help individuals who cannot afford the fines
Impounded dogs or cats that are intact, but whose owners do not qualify for one of the above exemptions must be sterilized prior to release
The current wording of this section seems to mandate that animal control perform the sterilization, and would deny owners the ability to take the animal to a veterinarian of their own choosing
Provides that impounded animals be kept for only 72 hours
Three days is a short time frame, especially as it is not specified that these are business days. A family on vacation for a long weekend may return home to find their pet has been impounded and adopted out to someone else
Requires that impounded animals be microchipped and that the owner pay for the microchipping prior to release
This only adds to the fees owners are required to pay for reclaiming their animal
No fee for this service is specified
The ordinance does not require the microchip be enrolled with a national registry. The implantation of the chip does not help recover the animal, only enrollment with a national registry will provide the owners contact information
Pet Stores are required to provide the following information to Department of Detention and Enforcement
The name and residence address of the buyer
The address of the location where the dog or cat will reside, if not the same as the buyers address
The breed and approximate age
A description, including principal colors
Failure to provide this information shall be grounds for non-renewal of, or disciplinary action against, a business license
It is unreasonable to require a business to violate their customers privacy in this manner
Since many shoppers may not reside within the city, it will create burdensome paperwork that in many cases will be useless
May cause shoppers to choose pet stores that are not within the Las Vegas City limits, costing those stores business
Will increase costs for stores when they have to sterilize any animals that may be over 4 months of age
May in fact deter these stores from selling older animals

AKC Government Relations

8051 Arco Corporate Drive, Suite 100

Raleigh, NC 27617

919-816-3720

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Advice...
by (Login norcalErica)
hi all... wondering if anyone can give me some pointers that i havent thought of on a situation....
This is my first time having 2 intact males in the house with in heat bitches....with one of the boys coming into himself at 10 months....
I have them seperated, as they cant even look at each other without going into their red zone and going after each other
They played fine before....with a spat here and there....
Any other suggestions? Will they come out of it and be able to get along after the heats are over?
Any of your suggestions will be so appreciated...
thanks!!

xo
E

Erica
Bomber Bulldogs
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My experience
by (Login DLemons1)
Once they hate each other and fight....there is no going back

Posted on Nov 10, 2009, 4:02 PM
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Mine too
by kelly white (Login kellywhitehills)
Once two males go after each other that's it..My advice is to keep them separated or neuter or place one of them..

Kelly
Whitehills Bulldogs
http://www.geocities.com/kellywhitehills

Posted on Nov 10, 2009, 7:04 PM
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Nope
by (Login CatiAult)
seriously doubt they will ever "kiss & make up". Had two here..a male and a female..that were playing tug of war with a frisbee. I could see that the game was getting way out of control and seperated them before anything happened but after that day they hated each other. Before that day they slept together. Bulldogs don't forget.

Girls in season doesn't seem to bother my males. Guess they are real gentlemen. LOL But I never have my two males in the same room or outside together. They get along fine now and I want it to stay that way.

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Re: Advice...
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They may seem like they forget for a minute, but then one thing will set them off. I would worry about the younger dog since you don't want him getting attacked and then becoming aggressive toward other dogs.

I would keep them separate unless you are in the room. And then as Ceasar says...you have to be the pack leader. It will be tough, but if you are able, you may be able to control it. If not have a crate ready.

Overall if you keep them both, be prepared to keep them separate.

Countdown-Clocks


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Re: Advice...
by Elizabeth (Login hugobull)
I agree with what everyone is saying. It doesn't help your situation now, but in the future, remember that bitches in heat are always a hot point. My dogs can all run together with no issues (14 of them), the whippet has to be away cause he fires them up and if there is any chance of a bitch being in heat, she can't go out with the group. I also am always with them because they can gang up on a weaker one and while it is not a fight, it is intimidating to the weaker dog to have a dog pile on top of him or her.
As long as there is not an issue that gets them rowdy (even toys) they should be able to get along fine, unless you just have a hot head. And one bad apple can ruin a bunch pretty fast, so get him or her out of the mix asap.
And bitches can be just as bad as dogs, often even worse. I trust my males together, not all of my bitches all the time though...
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I have this with 2 of my girls, they had puppies at the same time
by (Login ickytazz)
and one would try and disaplin the others babies or even her own and other momma would get pissed. They are fine through fences and gates but together OH shit watch out.

I have collars on them (hate to but no choice) So when people come over they know if they have a collar they can not be together. Also it makes it much easier to get to them and hold if someone lets one out by mystake.

Hope you can find a way to make this work, its frustrating. This is the reason i dont have a male at home.

Vicky,
Bosco, Bella, Breve' & Holly

www.LangagerBulldogs.com

PHOTOS ARE PROPERTY OF LANGAGER BULLDOGS, YOU MUST HAVE WRITTEN PERMISSION FOR ANY USE OF THESE PHOTOS FROM LANGAGERBULLDOG.

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A sneak PEAK...Bulldogger ads Nov. 2009
by (Login Infobitch)
http://www.photoreflect.com/pr3/thumbpage.aspx?e=5600344

Enjoy!!

Countdown-Clocks

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so talented
by (Login hugobull)
very nice!
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Reealllll NIiiiccceeee...
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Erica
Bomber Bulldogs
http://bomberbulldogs.shutterfly.com/

Posted on Nov 10, 2009, 9:28 AM
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All Very Nice....
by (Login JessicaAndCrew)
But then again Sandra...you are The "Queen" of pictures....and ads too

Posted on Nov 10, 2009, 5:39 PM
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TESTING... Shelly... I May Be On To Something!!!
by (Login tstorck74)
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=5308&id=100000290560682&I=6fc4210eb2

Tracy
Primetime Bulldogs
http//www.primetimebulldogs.com

Posted on Nov 9, 2009, 6:41 PM
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CRAP!!!! Didn't work!!!
by (Login tstorck74)

Tracy
Primetime Bulldogs
http//www.primetimebulldogs.com

Posted on Nov 9, 2009, 6:42 PM
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Works only if you are a FB member and signed in...=(
by Shelly (Login abully4u)
Best Of Bulldogs- Directors
I could see them though!! Great pics. =)

Wild West Bulldogs

Posted on Nov 9, 2009, 7:11 PM
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Worked for me...loved them!
by Jennifer M. (Login JenniferHefner)
Man I wish I would have seen them in person!!

Posted on Nov 9, 2009, 7:16 PM
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great pics!
by Elizabeth (Login hugobull)
thanks for sharing!

Posted on Nov 10, 2009, 8:29 AM
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Nationals Video info..
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ShowDogVideoPros will be providing professional videography services for the Bulldog Club of America National Specialty Show, BCA Division VI Specialty Show and the Heart of America Bulldog Club Specialty Show this year. Their video feeds will be available on large overhead screens in the ballroom, on the hotel TV access channel, and as streaming video on the Internet!

Superb quality, fully edited video DVDs will be offered for sale. Every dog in every class of every event will be shown on-screen with their AKC registered name, sire and dam! Here is the website for PRE-ORDERS: http://showdogvideopros.com/Bulldog.html

SPECIAL DEALS

PRE-ORDERS

Video DVD orders placed through the last day of the show will qualify for BIG DISCOUNTS and FREE shipping and handling (a $10 - $40 value).

Go to this website: http://showdogvideopros.com/Bulldog.html

JUNIOR HANDLERS

Get a FREE promotional clip on disk and have it posted to YouTube (10 minute limit).

ShowDogVideoPros supports JUNIORS!!

***NEW*** DVDs-TO-GO

ShowDogVideoPros will sell videos on disk at the show that you can TAKE HOME WITH YOU.

They will also post the exact same clips on YouTube (10 minute limit) for you at NO CHARGE.

www.2009bcanationalshow.com

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National health clinic
by Elizabeth (Login hugobull)
Link to information on the clinic and links to the forms can be found here;

http://bcahealth.homestead.com

Posted on Nov 9, 2009, 7:42 AM
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Wine Country KC....Sun. Full Results
by Shelly (Login abully4u)
Best Of Bulldogs- Directors
http://www.infodog.com/RESULTS/2009174502/200917450261500.HTM

Congrats to Shalisa on her NEW Champion!!!

Wild West Bulldogs

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November Newsletter
by (Login KarenLoveABullRescueAZ)
ENJOY!

http://archive.constantcontact.com/fs058/1102549392527/archive/1102805447773.html

Karen
Love-A-Bull Rescue AZ
www.loveabullrescue.com
480.593.6559

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Jeanne, I agree Orianth Is AWESOME
by (Login ickytazz)
http://www.orianthi.com/splash/

Vicky,
Bosco, Bella, Breve' & Holly

www.LangagerBulldogs.com

PHOTOS ARE PROPERTY OF LANGAGER BULLDOGS, YOU MUST HAVE WRITTEN PERMISSION FOR ANY USE OF THESE PHOTOS FROM LANGAGERBULLDOG.

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Thanks for her name
by (Login jzalud)
I am not good at remembering names so I am happy you are. See you at the Nationals.

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MSN in Vegas, a dumb idea and here's why
by (Login JenniferJoseph)
if you are in Vegas or have family friends there, please get them motivated to fight this

Petconnection has a nice piece on it

http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2009/11/08/more-forced-spay-neuter-delusional-thinking-ad-naseum/

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Small Brag
by (Login CandaceT)
Hi everyone, wanted to share a couple pictures of my handsome Buster Jr as the USMC mascot at the 234th Birthday Ball here in AZ last night. He had such a blast, and I could not have been more proud of him. He even got to dress up with a black collar and white bow tie. After all, it was a formal affair....Thanks for looking.

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Too Cool!
by Elgene (Login Elgene)
is this one of Star's boys?

Posted on Nov 8, 2009, 6:34 PM
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No.....
by CandyT (Login CandaceT)
He's her father....so now she can say claim to be the daughter of a Marine...

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Wine Country KC...Sat. Nov.7...Full Results
by Shelly (Login abully4u)
Best Of Bulldogs- Directors
http://www.infodog.com/RESULTS/2009174501/200917450161500.HTM

Wild West Bulldogs


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Love-A-Bull Candles- Autumn and Holiday Scents... yum...
by (Login KarenLoveABullRescueAZ)

Fall Fragrances

Apple Cider - Yummy hot cinnamon, and apple cider
Apple Pie - Apples, cinnamon, and warm baked crust
Autumn Harvest - Strong Cinnamon Base W/Vanilla, Cedarwood & Pine
Autumn Lodge ( Type) - A duplicate of the popular yankee candle fragrance. Winter green, pine needles, balsam cinnamon, and spice.
Autumn Pear - Fresh pear notes are dipped in nuances of caramel and sprinkled with warm spices of nutmeg and cinnamon on a soft, creamy vanilla base.
Banana Nut Bread - Nutty blend w/fruity banana
Bourbon Toasted Pecans - Roasted crisp pecans topped with bourbon
Candied Yams -A wonderful holiday fragrance with top notes of Brazillian orange, bergamot, and bread with cinnamon, nutmeg,
and lily of the valley on a base of vanilla and raspberry.
Fire Side - This warm and cozy aroma composed of woods, spices and fresh eucalyptus embodies all the comforts of home
Gingerbread House - Fresh baked Gingerbread uuuummmm yummy
Pumpkin Frapuccino - My favorite! Pumpkin with holiday maple coffee
Pumpkin Pie - Just like grandma's pumpkin pie baking in the oven
Pumpkin Spice - Pumpkin, cinnamon, and other spices

Christmas Fragrances

Bayberry - Fir and clove on a lilac bouquet.
Candy Cane -Sweet smell of the holiday favorite
Christmas Mulberry - Blend of woods spices, fruits, and flowers made to enhance the christmas spirit.
Christmas Tree - Just like a pine Christmas Tree
Holiday Season - Blend of cinnamon bark and leaves with fir needles and pine enhanced by clove buds
Home For The Holidays - A duplication of the popular Yankee Candle fragrance, this scent features fresh spruce boughs wrapped in cinnamon and clove with a touch of tart orange peel.
Hot Buttered Rum -yummy! You can smell the hint of rum
Mrs. Claus Cookies - Butter Sugar Cookies
Orange Cranberry - A nice mixture of Oranges, and Cranberry
Yuletide - A cedarwood and light orange blend
Bayberry - Fir and clove on a lilac bouquet.
Candy Cane -Sweet smell of the holiday favorite
Christmas Mulberry - Blend of woods spices, fruits, and flowers made to enhance the christmas spirit.
Christmas Tree - Just like a pine Christmas Tree
Holiday Season - Blend of cinnamon bark and leaves with fir needles and pine enhanced by clove buds
Home For The Holidays - A duplication of the popular Yankee Candle fragrance, this scent features fresh spruce boughs wrapped in cinnamon and clove with a touch of tart orange peel.
Hot Buttered Rum -yummy! You can smell the hint of rum
Mrs. Claus Cookies - Butter Sugar Cookies
Orange Cranberry - A nice mixture of Oranges, and Cranberry
Yuletide - A cedarwood and light orange blend

Link to order:http://web.me.com/karebear92179/Love-A-Bull/Candles.html

Karen
Love-A-Bull Rescue AZ
www.loveabullrescue.com
480.593.6559


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Nationals counts are in...
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National Show 543 Total Entries 378 Dogs 1 Obedience
Division 6 347 Total Entries 337 Dogs
HABC 312 Total Entries 303 Dogs

www.2009bcanationalshow.com

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Good entries....
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Looking forward to the show.

Countdown-Clocks

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question
by kelly white (Login kellywhitehills)
who would we call to see if our entries were recieved??

Kelly
Whitehills Bulldogs
http://www.geocities.com/kellywhitehills

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Help Bulldog Rescue!
by Karen Farrish (Login KarenLoveABullRescueAZ)
Please take a minute to cast your vote for bulldogs!

So Cal Bulldog Rescue, Heavensent Bulldog Rescue in NJ, and Love A Bull Rescue in AZ have banned together to (hopefully!) win this contest! $10K for the rescue dogs!

It takes only a minute to vote- thank you!!!!!! Click picture below.

Karen
Love-A-Bull Rescue AZ
www.loveabullrescue.com
480.593.6559


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AKC Legislative News Letter
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November 2009

From our Nation's Capitol
The AKC is monitoring a number of issues in Congress of interest to purebred dog owners. Read about them here.

News from the State Capitols
Four state legislatures (Massachusetts, Michigan, Ohio, and Pennsylvania), and the District of Columbia are currently in session. Forty-six states have adjourned their regular sessions or are in recess. For the latest information on the over 850 state and federal bills being tracked by the Government Relations Department, visit our 2009 Legislation Tracking page. This page, updated daily, provides the latest bill text, status, and any Legislative Alerts posted by the AKC.

For more information on any of the measures mentioned, contact us at (919) 816-3720 or doglaw@akc.org.

Here are some of the highlights.

Local Battles
Although most state legislatures have adjourned, many municipalities are still considering ordinances that could affect your rights as dog owners. If you hear of an issue in your town or county, contact us at (919) 816-3720 or doglaw@akc.org. We will be happy to provide you with the resources, tools, and support you need to help fight for responsible dog ownership in your community. Here are some examples of the approximately 100 local issues we are monitoring.

Louisville Court Ruling May Have Broader Implications
On October 2, a United States District Court judge issued his decision in the case of the Louisville Kennel Club, Inc. v. Louisville/Jefferson County Metro Government. A significant victory for the Louisville Kennel Club, the judge's decision features two key rulings that may also prove to be of great importance for dog owners nationwide.

Among many new provisions, the animal control ordinance passed in Louisville required only owners of unaltered dogs to obtain written approval for dog enclosures. The ordinance also required anyone accused of animal cruelty to post bond for the care of their seized animals, or risk forfeiture- even if the owners were later found not guilty.

The judge declared that there is no rational basis for treating owners of unaltered dogs differently than owners of sterilized dogs. As a result, the portion of the law regarding enclosures was ruled to be an unconstitutional violation of equal protection and substantive due process. The bond requirements for animal cruelty accusations were also ruled to be an unconstitutional violation of due process.

"We congratulate the Louisville Kennel Club and their co-plaintiffs on their leadership in opposing the Louisville ordinance," said Dennis Sprung, President and CEO of the American Kennel Club. "We are confident that this decision will encourage communities to consider the interests of responsible dog breeders and owners when making changes to their animal ordinances."

Make Your Contact Count
Many legislatures will reconvene in January, and some are already beginning pre-filing bills for the 2010 sessions. A few states are still in session and considering bills that impact responsible dog owners. Additionally, numerous local municipalities are considering legislation that may affect you as a dog owner or breeder. As you consider contacting your public officials, here are a few simple steps to help ensure your communications are effective.

Download and print this new document filled with helpful information on how to communicate with public officials.

AKC Presents Community Achievement Awards
Each quarter, the AKC honors up to three AKC-affiliated clubs, federations, or club members for outstanding contributions to canine public education and government relations efforts. The three Community Achievement Award recipients for this quarter exemplify the impact dog fanciers and owners can have on their community and their legislatures. Read more.

This has been a challenging year for dog fanciers and breeders. More than ever before, it seems our rights to own and breed dogs are under attack. Yet in spite of these challenges, we have much to be thankful for, as this year we have also had a significant number of legislative victories.

I encourage you to take a few minutes to review our ever-growing list of legislative successes posted on our web site. On the state and local level, thousands of fanciers and breeders have worked tirelessly to protect our rights with great success. The AKC has worked in collaboration with them to defeat local and state-level mandatory spay/neuter proposals, numerous breed-specific bills, ownership limits, and also to defeat or significantly amend over 90 percent of the "breeder bills" introduced so far this year.

As we pause a moment to count our blessings, it's also important to remember that our work continues. As you will see throughout this issue, numerous states and municipalities still need your help. Whether or not your state or community is currently considering canine legislation, please continue to contact your legislators, invite them to dog shows, and let them know the good works you are doing in your community. All of these are simple ways you can educate public officials about who we are and the work we do on behalf of dogs and their owners. This issue also includes some helpful tips on how to communicate with legislators, so you can be sure you are being an effective advocate.

This edition highlights three examples of how we as dog owners, fanciers, and breeders can make a difference in our community. We thank these three Community Achievement Award recipients, our state federations, clubs, and the thousands of people who have worked so hard this year to protect our rights as dog owners. We also extend a special word of thanks to the legislators and public officials who have voted in favor of protecting responsible dog ownership.

Thank you for partnering with us, and we look forward to continue working together to stand up for responsible dog ownership.

All the best,

Sheila Goffe
Director of Government Relations

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New Orleans Drops Mandatory S/N !!!
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Thanks to Steve and Kathy Mentz and the members of the Bulldog Club of Louisiana for there active participation in helping to get this proposed Bad Ordinance removed!
Ward

Late yesterday evening, the mandatory spay/neuter proposal that was to be considered today by the New Orleans City Council was withdrawn by the ordinances sponsor, Councilwoman Cynthia Hedge-Morrell.

The American Kennel Club (AKC) appreciates the Councilwomans and her staffs effort to reach out to responsible dog breeders and owners who voiced strong opposition to the proposal. We also congratulate the dedicated fanciers and enthusiasts who spent countless hours educating the Council and staff about the unreasonableness and unenforceability of mandatory spay/neuter laws.

The AKC continues to urge the City Council to study in-depth any existing animal population and enforcement funding issues that exist in New Orleans, and to work with all interested stakeholder groups in formulating reasonable and enforceable laws that protect public health and safety without harming those breeders and owners who take their responsibilities seriously.

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Nationals.. airport transportation info..
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The transportation services available from the Kansas City International
Airport (airport code MCI) to the Westin Crown Center Hotel is as follows:

1) Super Shuttle Service
800-258-3826
www.supershuttle.com

The cost is $17 one way, or $29 round trip if prepaid with a
credit card. You can either book by calling the 800# above, or on-line.
Advance reservation is required. Once you deplane, you then find the Super
Shuttle phone, or counter, give your name and acquire a boarding pass for
the shuttle. Limit of 10 people per shuttle. For additional information on
the procedure, please call or go on-line.

2) Overland Limousine
800-575-4845
www.kclimo.com

The negotiated cost for a town car for our group is: $68 one way
for arrival, which includes all airport fees, fuel as well as driver
gratuity. The driver will meet you at baggage claim with your name on a
sign. Limit of 3 people per town car. The cost for departure is $65 one
way, same inclusions. YOU MUST MENTION YOU ARE WITH THE NATIONAL BULLDOG
SHOW TO ACQUIRE THE DISCOUNT! Advance reservation is required.

www.2009bcanationalshow.com

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Entry
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Has anyone heard what the entry for the Nationals is?

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Updated schedule of events for Nationals week...
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please visit.http://www.2009bcanationalshow.com/pg012.html .. for viewing

www.2009bcanationalshow.com

Posted on Nov 4, 2009, 9:20 AM
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2010 Ador-A-Bull Calendars- NOW AVAILABLE
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Visit www.welovebulldogs.com to place your order today.

Karen
Love-A-Bull Rescue AZ
www.loveabullrescue.com
480.593.6559

Posted on Nov 3, 2009, 2:36 PM
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Nationals entry deadline..
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The cutoff for entries for the 2009 BCA National show, is the Wednesday, at
11:00 am CST. Roy Jones Dog Shows is on EST. If you are in the Western
time zone, then the cutoff is 9:00 am. To enter on-line, please go to
http://www.royjonesdogshows.com/

www.2009bcanationalshow.com

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Thanks for the reminder...
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I entered thru Infodog today. It's fast, easy, and they email you conformation.

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Mother Lode Bulldog Club of Sacramento, Puppy match.
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The weather was great for our annual Halloween puppy match. We team up with Sac. Council of dogs for an a.m. All Breed match. Then our p.m. match with our club, The Mother Lode Bulldog Club of Sacramento. Our judge was Susan Guaraglia from Bedrock Bulldogs. We had about 15 Bulldogs entering the show, with lots that just came to watch. Here are the winners and some candids.
The owners will have to give you the names since I don't remember them all, so to be fair they can post them.

http://www.photoreflect.com/pr3/thumbpage.aspx?e=5549630

If any of the winners would like to purchase a photo, please go to
http://norcalbulldogrescue.googlepages.com and make a donation. Then email me at brumarsbulldogs@aol.com and let me know what photo. I will bring the photo to Napa.

Congratulations to ALL... and it's "ALL ABOUT THE BULLDOG"

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Thanks Sandra
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enjoyed seeing all the little munchkins.

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Great pictures
by Linda (Login HookedOnBullies)
and a fun day too. Congratulations to all the winners. The costumes were so cute and unique. Thanks Susan for coming all the way over to judge the show. Great job by all.

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Congrats Linda!
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Best Of Bulldogs- Directors
I love your girl!

Posted on Nov 1, 2009, 11:19 AM
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Thank you and ..
by Linda (Login HookedOnBullies)
I sure do like your girl and boy too. It was an awesome day with nice weather and lots of bullies and friends.

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~Thank You!~
by (Login bullybtan)
I want to say "Thank You" to everyone who came out and partcipated in our fun match yesterday. The confirmation match had a nice entry and the costume contest was a blast! Thank you to Sue for judging the match, Joan for ring stewarding, Shelly Delucchi for putting together some of the prize bags and to Sandra and Tracy for taking pictures. Thank you to everyone else who helped out too! There were so many who came out to support! A very fun day........Congrats to all of the winners

My Best,

Michelle Ippoliti
Mother Lode Bulldog Club


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Sorry I missed it....Looks like you had fun.....
by (Login Kelley_Singleton)
:)Congrats to the winners!

Posted on Nov 1, 2009, 2:49 PM
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Great Pics..
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Congrats to all on some very nice puppies!

Laurie

LaBonte Bulldogs

Posted on Nov 5, 2009, 3:44 AM
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Small brag
by (Login CandaceT)
Last Saturday our club had it's annual B and Boo Match here in Phoenix and my 2 yr old Opal, took Best in Match for her first time in the ring since January. She is slowly getting her confidence back and I'm hoping to get her back in the regular shows as soon as she puts on a little more weight...here are some pics from the match.....

Thanks for looking everyone!
Candy

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congrats!
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getting her confidence back?

Posted on Nov 1, 2009, 10:57 AM
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yes
by (Login CandaceT)
She needed to mature and I made the mistake of not letting her before taking her into the show ring. Trying a different approach to training and so far it looks like it's working.

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Phoenix Shows
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Yes, Fred Haynes is judging the Thursday am show and Liz Karchner the afternoon. The sweepstakes is on Weds at 6pm and Kathy Hairston is the judge. The hotel is very, very nice, with the most rooms at ring side. But they are filling up fast, so make your reservations as soon as you can. We've ordered some great AZ weather too!

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Re: Phoenix Shows
by Elizabeth (Login hugobull)
Do they have the all breed shows judges listed yet?

Posted on Oct 31, 2009, 1:40 PM
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All Breed Shows
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Jack Bradshaw does not have the judges posted yet on his website and the website for the cluster is www.fiestacluster.com website. It says imformation will be posted after AKC approval is received. I think Connie Booker might be able to tell you though.

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All-Breed Judges
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Bulldog Mr. Fredrick R. Stephens
Bulldog Dr. Robert D. Smith
Bulldog Mrs. Robert D. Smith
Bulldog James G. Reynolds

FYI...If you go to the AKC site and look up events and then go to the state, you can look up shows that sometimes are not listed on infodog or bradshaw yet.

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when is this again?
by Rhiann (Premier Login rhianniam)
I threw away my premium list i think..just curious.

Rhiann @ Butlerbullz

Posted on Nov 2, 2009, 12:18 AM
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Dates are....
by (Login jzalud)
Sweeps on Wednesday March 3,2010 Kathy Hairston.
Then both the shows are on Thursday March 4, 2010 Fred Haynes and Liz Karshner are the judges. Entry limited to 100 dogs each show. They are being held on the shaded lawn at The Inn at Pima motel.

Then the four all breed shows are just 5 miles up the freeway in Scottsdale. Hope everyone will come. As Show Secretary, let me know if you want a premium list.

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Casting Call for all Bulldogs
by Linda (Login HookedOnBullies)
I just received an email from Betsy Martin with Natural Balance and they are looking for friends to ride in the Tournament of Roses' Parade with Tillman. If you are interested you can check out www.naturalbalance.net for more information.

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Happy Halloween everyone
by Rod (Login rivercitybulldog)

http://www.rivercitybulldog.com

Posted on Oct 30, 2009, 1:56 PM
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Great pics
by Pat Buchanan (Login buchanps)
so cute...

Posted on Oct 30, 2009, 2:32 PM
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Awe.........
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Love the pics!

Posted on Oct 30, 2009, 4:30 PM
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Re: Happy Halloween everyone
by Elizabeth (Login hugobull)
Love these!!

Posted on Oct 30, 2009, 4:39 PM
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OMGGGGGG
by (Login Kelley_Singleton)
Those are the cutest pics ever and they looked so happy to be dressed up!!!!

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Great pics....
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all are cute in their costumes!!

Posted on Nov 1, 2009, 8:56 PM
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Our show keepers from Poet and Billie. Introducing Kat and Cartoon
by SHAWNA AND ABBIE (Login sublimebulldogs)
SUBLIME BULLDOGS INTRODUCES...

SUBLIME KAT VON D HIGH VOLTAGE "KAT"

SUBLIME MISTER CARTOON THE LAST LAUGH "CARTOON"

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Love the names!
by Rod (Login rivercitybulldog)
Of course I love the pups! Wishing you the best of luck with them!

http://www.rivercitybulldog.com

Posted on Oct 30, 2009, 1:58 PM
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Kat Von D!!! does she know?? love it
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Looks like you will have fun in 2010...
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Good Luck with the babies.

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Michael Jackson's This Is It...Who is going, or who has gone???
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I want to go see it. Just wondering if anyone has seen it yet?

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Posted on Oct 30, 2009, 8:14 AM
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i plan on it
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I think it should be good.

Posted on Oct 30, 2009, 8:25 AM
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No
by Rod (Login rivercitybulldog)
I couldn't care any less about it..

http://www.rivercitybulldog.com

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I am going
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Will let you know after I see it.

Posted on Oct 30, 2009, 5:03 PM
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John and I saw it yesterday
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It was awesome!! It would have been an awesome concert. And, Michael looked good, certainly not like someone drugged or sick, with all the singing, dancing and hard work that was going on rehearsing for this show. And it showed he was in total control on all the artistic decisions.

Really, it was very sad, thinking what "could have been". Some of the back up films (behind the stage) and other things that were to be part of the concert were absolutely awesome.

One can have their own opinions as to Michael and alleged charges he had in the past. But one cannot deny the talent this man had.

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Talented yes
by kelly white (Login kellywhitehills)
A friend of mine used to work for MJs attorney during all that Child molestation stuff....Nothing alleged about anything...Just that money talks and everyone has their price...In my book MJ was a monster and the parents of the Victims were just as bad..I just cannot support anything to do with Michael Jackson..Hes cause way to much damage to innocents..

Kelly
Whitehills Bulldogs
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Thanks, Patti.
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I can't wait to see it. Hopefully next weekend. I've seen the dancers on different talk shows and seen clips. I LOVE to watch them dance and sing.

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Saw it today, we thought it was great
by Vicky L (Login ickytazz)
it was cool watching behind the scenes, and how much of a perfectionist he was. Strange how they told him what to do and he did it like a 10yr old.

Vicky,
Bosco, Bella, Breve' & Holly

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PHOTOS ARE PROPERTY OF LANGAGER BULLDOGS, YOU MUST HAVE WRITTEN PERMISSION FOR ANY USE OF THESE PHOTOS FROM LANGAGERBULLDOG.

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Saw it yesterday
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Enjoyed the posts from those who saw it and totally agree with their evaluations. In addition to what they have already said,I would like to add there is one of the best little guitarist I have ever heard and we go to alot of concerts. (Not as many as Richard Seeno though).

She is the cutest little young girl that can make that instrument do things that I have never heard before. On a scale of 1-10, she is an 11. It was so sweet to see how Michael pulled the good out of her and coached her to "shine in her moment". The bass guitarist who has been with Michael for many years, is also in a class of his own and he and the girl playing together was worth the price of admission.

I felt like I had gotten to attend his concert but the sense of sadness for one of the most talented entertainers leaving us so young was hard to overcome. An all too often occurance in the industry.

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Phoenix shows
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are the judges listed yet?

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Re: Phoenix shows
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I believe it's Mrs. Liz Karshner and Mr. Fred Haynes. They are holding it at the Pima Inn in Scottsdale. It should be a great show.
Show chair is Candy Trafton, Show Chairman, PBC ctrafton1@cox.net

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Hey E and everyone...Be sure and put our show on your "Show's to go to"...
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Show Chairs, Sandra Martinez brumarsbulldogs@aol.com and Patti Rungo prungo2@aol.com
I believe you can make reservations now..be sure and mention Mother Lode Bulldog Club for our rate.
http://www.radissonsac.com

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Ad in Bulldogger
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Please go to page 121 of the last Bulldogger for the Phoenix Bulldog Club advertisement. If you want a premium list, please email me if don't think you are on the mailing list. It will be a great opportunity with 6 majors in 5 days.

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Bulldog Pumpkin Carving Stencil!
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Forum Owner

Here is a link to a stencil I bought to use when carving our pumpkins! Its only valid for 72 hours- If you have already carved your pumpkins... Be sure to print it out, so you can at least use next year!

http://www.masterpiecepumpkins.com/patterns/dog-Bulldog.pdf

HAPPY HALLOWEEN!

Melisa Barrett
PlatinumBulldogs.com

"Kindness Will Lead To Your Success"

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AOH class
by (Login victoriasparkle)
hey-hey- so far I've been ALONE in the AOH class and I like it like that! I truly thught that once I finished my girl, I would be AOH defunct, but now I plan to ride this puppy right into bred-by.
Love,
Victoria

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You go for it Victoria!!!!
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So glad you are in the conformation ring now!!! I cant wait to join you in the Rally ring with Lola soon.. xo

Erica
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Amateur-Owner-Handler class
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I emailed AKC to get a better defination of this class. My defination of the class would be an exhibitor that is an amateur (new to the sport and has NEVER handled a dog for someone else for money or gift, and has never finished a dog, still relatively new to the sport).
Here is AKC's answer.

Hello Sandra,

Per Rules Applying to Dog Shows...
SECTION 7. The Amateur-Owner-Handler class
shall be for dogs that are at least six months of age that
are not champions. Dogs must be handled in the class
by the registered owner of the dog. This class is
restricted to exhibitors who have not, at any point in
time, been a professional dog handler, AKC approved
conformation judge, or employed as an assistant to a
professional handler. Additionally, members of the
immediate family or household of a current professional
handler are ineligible for this class (as defined in
Chapter 11, Section 13).
Professional handlers are defined as any person who
belongs or has belonged to a professional handlers organization,
distributed rate cards, or otherwise advertised or
represented themselves as handling dogs for pay.
Let me know if I can be of further assistance,

Tina
Tina Yuhl
American Kennel Club
Special Services
8051 Arco Corporate Drive
Raleigh, NC 27617
txy@akc.org

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AFter reading this defination I would still assume if you have ever handled someone else's dog for pay or gift, then you are uneligible for this class.
What are your thoughts???

Countdown-Clocks

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interesting Sandra...
by (Login norcalErica)
and reading the definition of the AOH class...I would think that as well..anything that someone has rec'd payment or gift for one handling another's dog would constitute not being eligible for this class....
....BUT... her response to what a 'professional handler' is, I might have to think the opposite now....

she states that....
Professional handlers are defined as any person who
belongs or has belonged to a professional handlers organization,
distributed rate cards, or otherwise advertised or
represented themselves as handling dogs for pay.

That says to me that unless one has 'represented themselves' as a handler...then they are still eligible for this class.
right?

say someone does a favor for a friend who cant make it to a show.. and shows their dog for them....
and say the friend takes them out to dinner or something later... there was never any 'advertising or representing themselves as handling dogs for pay' ..
correct???

interesting topic... thanks

Erica
Bomber Bulldogs
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An Amateur
by kelly white (Login kellywhitehills)
amateur
/�mtr, -tr, -tr, �mtr/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [am-uh-choor, -cher, -ter, am-uh-tur] Show IPA
Use amateur in a Sentence
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noun
1. a person who engages in a study, sport, or other activity for pleasure rather than for financial benefit or professional reasons. Compare professional.
2. an athlete who has never competed for payment or for a monetary prize.
3. a person inexperienced or unskilled in a particular activity: Hunting lions is not for amateurs.
4. a person who admires something; devotee; fan: an amateur of the cinema.

So anyone who handles dogs for free is considered and amateur..I think the AKC should further their definition of a Professional as anyone who takes payment for showing a dog regardless of whether or not they are a member of the PHA..

Kelly
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I agree
by (Login jzalud)
Good old Webster.He always clears everything up for us.

Regarding AKC's definition, I think that "distributing cards" is not limited to mean just "printed." If one is verbally saying they will show your dog for $50, etc that in my opinion is "distributing" as well.

I think this class is a fabulous opportunity for we owner handlers that are not breeders who can't show our good dogs in Bred/By. I have said it once and I will say it again, to be able to use AOH and thus have a rest before your dog has to go into the WD class after being out in Open is great.

Warning! I am now on soap box. "To think the judge will not consider the AOH class is actually not having any faith in the judge being able to judge the breed." A good judge does not care what class they are in.

I have been watching the websites and dogs have been taking the purple from AOH. The class will be what we make of it. I say lets take advantage of the opportunity that it actually is. Enter in it!

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Re: Amateur-Owner-Handler class
by (Login bullybtan)
I think this definition needs to be more defined. I think if you have received payment for handling a dog in the ring or finished a dog, you are no longer an amateur handler. I don't think you need to be a member of an organization to be excluded from this class. It seems like there are people who take dogs into the ring for others where payment of some type is involved (gift, breakfast, etc) that would exclude them from this class. IMO Very intersting topic.....

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IMO the definition
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is extremely poor. There certainly wasn't much thought as to the consequences if this class takes off and becomes more widely used and people start pushing the gray areas.

IMO anyone who handles dogs for others and accepts anything of monetary value in exchange is no longer an amateur. That would include motel room, gas, entry fees, $20 bucks here and there, as well as free puppies in exchange, etc. I don't know what advertising has to do with being a professional. I would think that a good professional never has to advertise...but gets his clients via referrals from satisfied clients.

Unfortunately AKC has a definition that has many gray areas. Either way ... if there is a problem, policing it is another issue.

I shoed Non-Pro (Owner-amateur) with my horses. Here is the definition of Non-Pro (used to be called Owner Amateur) for our National Appaloosa Club. Much more defined especially when it comes to remuneration.

G. NON-PRO DEFINED.
The individual MUST meet the definition of a non-pro, as follows:
1. Has not ever engaged in any activities which would make him/her a professional.
A professional is an individual who:
a. Accepts remuneration for riding, driving, showing in halter, training, schooling, conducting clinics or seminars, or instructing in equitation or horse training or judging.
b. Performs the above listed activities for which another person in his/her family or a corporation, which a member of his/her family controls, will receive remuneration.
c. Performs such activities while accepting remuneration for employment in another capacity for an employer or member of said employers family
who owns, boards or trains the involved horses.
d. Rides, drives or shows in halter in horse shows any horse for which he/she or a member of his/her family accepts remuneration for boarding or training.
e. Accepts prize money in Equitation or Showmanship classes.
f. Accepts remuneration in the form of payment of entry fees, or any expenses
for the person or the horse with which the Non-Pro competes, by any person other than the non-pro or the non-pros spouse, child, stepchild, legal ward, father mother, stepparent, sister, brother, grandparent,
grandchild or legal guardian.
g. Holds judging credentials with any equine organization or receives remuneration for judging either in the form of a salary, perks or as reimbursement for expenses.
2. Non-pro status shall not be affected by the following:
a. Writing of books or articles pertaining to horses.
b. Accepting payment for stewarding.
c. Having the occupation of veterinarian or farrier, or owning a tack shop or breeding or boarding stable.

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great points here....
by (Login norcalErica)
and i do agree.. needs to be better explained.

I would have considered myself an amatuer-owner-handler.... I think i am still very new to this sport..and I personally still consider myself an ameteur...
BUT.... i have championed my dog...and shown in group....and shown friends dogs for them before...but...i have never advertised or represented myself as a pro handler for hire...

so does that make me an AOH??? I dont know anymore....??????
aacckk!!!
ohhh.. im so confused now....
lol

and then what about someone who has been doing this for years and years and years...championed dogs..won groups.... but they have all always been their own dogs... i would not consider that person an amatuer.. but according to their definition..they would be... ?????

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I would say
by kelly white (Login kellywhitehills)
as long as a person has not been paid for showing someone else's dog or has become an AKC judge then they should be eligible to show in the AOH class..

Some of us have cooked for years and are darn near as good as a professional chef but that doesn't make us a professional right??

Erica I think you fall comfortably with in the rules and guidelines for this class..

Kelly
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oops... n/m
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Further clarification from AKC...
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Hello Naomi,

I will reprint the definition for professional handler per the description of the Amateur Owner Handler Class

Professional handlers are defined as any person who
belongs or has belonged to a professional handlers organization,
distributed rate cards, or otherwise advertised or
represented themselves as handling dogs for pay.

The only exclusion from this class would be a handler or someone who has worked for, lives with or member of family. The Amateur Owner Handler may have finished dogs.

Let me know if I can be of further assistance,

Tina

Tina Yuhl

American Kennel Club

Special Services

8051 Arco Corporate Drive

Raleigh, NC 27617

txy@akc.org

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From: Naomi Chador [mailto:vanitybulldogs@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:52 PM
To: Tina Yuhl
Subject: Clarification needed...

Hi Tina,

I have a couple questions about the response you wrote to Sandra below. Does professional handler apply to someone who has shown a dog in the past for someone (4+ years ago) for room and board? What about if you show a dog for someone and they take you to dinner, would that constitute pay? Lastly, can an owner who has finished a champion before enter this class?

Any information you can provide would be greatly appreciated.

Naomi

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Hello Sandra,

Per Rules Applying to Dog Shows...
SECTION 7. The Amateur-Owner-Handler class
shall be for dogs that are at least six months of age that
are not champions. Dogs must be handled in the class
by the registered owner of the dog. This class is
restricted to exhibitors who have not, at any point in
time, been a professional dog handler, AKC approved
conformation judge, or employed as an assistant to a
professional handler. Additionally, members of the
immediate family or household of a current professional
handler are ineligible for this class (as defined in
Chapter 11, Section 13).
Professional handlers are defined as any person who
belongs or has belonged to a professional handlers organization,
distributed rate cards, or otherwise advertised or
represented themselves as handling dogs for pay.
Let me know if I can be of further assistance,

Tina
Tina Yuhl
American Kennel Club
Special Services
8051 Arco Corporate Drive
Raleigh, NC 27617
txy@akc.org

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Gray area that AKC won't put into words
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represented themselves as handling dogs for pay<<<<< <br>

They don't make the definition very clear, certainly not like what Deb gave as an example in showing horses. But, AKC is like this.

Same as for judges, where there is a gray area on "perceived" ethics. If it can be "perceived" then don't do it.

Pay can be defined in many ways other than actual cash. So, if someone is giving gas money, paying for the hotel expenses for you, etc., that could all be legally construed as "pay". Otherwise, a gray area to stay clear of.

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doesnt this sum it up?
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"Professional handlers are defined as any person who
belongs or has belonged to a professional handlers organization,
distributed rate cards, or otherwise advertised or
represented themselves as handling dogs for pay.

The only exclusion from this class would be a handler or someone who has worked for, lives with or member of family. The Amateur Owner Handler may have finished dogs".

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If you take this at face value, it is really not that complicated. You can read into it, but this is from the horse's mouth and all of the scenarios of buying lunch, sharing trips, etc, are not applicable. That's the way I see it.
Bottom line, if the above does not apply to you, feel free to enter, but practically speaking, how many people who have handled for other folks will really use this class?
e

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but practically speaking, how many people who have handled for other folks will really us
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That says it all. Thanks.

Countdown-Clocks

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Do I Qualify?
by (Login bedabull)
Been in the Bulldogs for many years and have produced some Champions.
However, as a handler I fail miserably! If the dog I show gets a ribbon or the points it is because of the quality of the dog not my handling skills. Currently have a little dancing bully girl (does not keep all fours on the ground) I was thinking seriously of entering this class do I Qualify? Sandra you have seen me in the ring? Also I have never taken a penny to handle anyones dogs but have shared motel rooms!

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Yep!
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"represented themselves as handling dogs for pay. "
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I think this should say it all. Maybe at first you didn't go to someone and say I'll take your dog in for pay, but once you take it in and they pay you in any form and "you accept payment," you have represented yourself for pay.

I look at so many new or old (and not so experienced) owner handlers. As an experienced exhibitor I watch them, and remember what it was like when I first started. I may have liked a class like this to start with. Where the judge may realize you are just starting and be able to give you some pointers, or over look some handling mistakes.

In Carson City, Victoria (new to conformation showing with her first conformation dog) was the only one in the class. She went home with a 5 point major. Very happy for her and her enthusiasm. That's who should be in the class.

We have a two day all-breed show in our area. On the first day it's Best Puppy in Show..a $1,000.00 prize. ON the second day it's amateur owner handled...Best Amateur Owner Handled in show...$1,000.00.

I am wondering if some that normally would not enter this class will be in it for the prize. There may be questions if an exhibitor win's the points from this class.

My feelings are AKC should have put some thought into this class.

Thanks everyone for their response.

Countdown-Clocks

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Re: "represented themselves as handling dogs for pay. "
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I have a big problem with this..Let's say someone showed a dog for a friend two years ago..not someone that handles for others often, just someone that ended up having to take a dog in the ring..or even just for winners and the owner treats them to dinner or gives them $20. Is this how you are interpreting "representing"?
Two years ago no one had any idea AKC would eventually form this class. What if you and your friend ride to a show together, you each have an entry, you share weekend expenses and split gas. You drive in your car. You show both dogs..is the "splitting expenses" going to be deemed as some form of payment? How do you drawl the line? How are you going to prove that someone was paid for "handling" the dog.

Regardless of what class the dog is in, if the judge is going to put the dog up he/she will do so whether it's in 6-9 mo, Bred By, or AOH. This isn't Jr. showmanship..the handler isn't being judged, the dog is.

I don't think it would be appropriate for the judge to be giving handling tips, because this class is for the dog to be judged.I interpret, "represented themselves as handling dogs for pay" as advertising handling services, a pro handler or someone known to frequently handle for others.
So many breeds are dominated by pro handlers I believe that this is why AKC formed this class. To give exhibitors another class to show in besides bred by, where the class is less likely to be filled with pro handlers.

Just-LoneStar Bulldogs

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Not finished a dog?
by Calvin (Login CalvinD)
Where did that requirement come from?

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It's not a requirement
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Nothing in the class definition has anything about having finished a dog. Someone just mentioned it in their post.

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Amateur...Does not mean lacking handling skills
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It simply implys non-professional. The most experienced handler could still be an amatuer. I consider myself an amateur. I have not nor intend to ever show professionally. I have not nor ever intend to accept money or market myself as a handler. Even though I have finished a dog and have shown since I was 8 years old (or was that 10) it doesn't make me a professional. I have and will on occasion take a dog back in the ring for a friend if asked.

Sharing expenses of gas and motel is not payment. If the person I was sharing with paid for my motel and gas on the pretense of me showing their dog for them then that is accepting pay for a service and acting as a professional.

The definition by AKC that is very broad based is that of "What is a professional.

I was advised not to show in this class at all-breed shows because the feeling is this is simply another class that will be looked at like the novice class. But that I should consider entering in it at a specialty show. Which I may do in the future.

You have to keep the "Spirit" of the class in mind when you determine if you are a professional or not. The only people that are going to police this class are your peers (bulldog owners/handlers/breeders).

Nikki brought up the issues of not having this class before and now going forward it is available but you didn't know it was going to be an option. AKC once again screwed the pooch here. They should have made a cooling off period so if you were considered a professional under the loosely based rules in the past then you could reinstate as an amatuer say 2 years after having not been a professional for that time period. Unfortunately they haven't provided that option. So it looks like once a professional, always a professional.

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nationals countdown continues.. helpful information...
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As the calendar gets ready to change to the month of November, it tells us that the 2009 BCA National Show is less than a month away. As of today there are only 26 days until "We're Goin' To Kansas City, Bully City Here We Come!"

Basket Contest,There will be five groups with a prize awarded to the winner of each:

GROUP I - Individual: Representing your home state.

GROUP II - Individual I: A theme of your choice.

GROUP III - Club: Promote your club along with your state.

GROUP IV - Division: A regional basket representing your division.

GROUP V - Peoples Choice: Winner overall from all baskets.

RULES
Entries are to be brought with you to the show. Include a written description of the contents and an
overall value. The baskets will be raffled off and the basket in each category receiving the most tickets
will win that prize. For any additional information contact Eva Dickey.

Merchandise is going fast as we continue to fill orders. We have run out of some sizes, color and styles. If there is a favorite item you have been looking for, don't wait to purchase at the show, buy now. When the current inventory is gone, there will be no additional orders.

LIVE WEBCAST:

The 2009 BCA National Show will have live webcast available on a per day or by-the-week rate. There will be two cameras covering two rings with two simultaneous webcasts. You will only be able to view one ring at a time. After you have purchased your day or week option, you will be given a username and password for each day you have purchased. After you have completed your login, you will be given a choice of which ring you would like to view. You will have the ability to change rings at any time during the webcast. The pre-sale cost until November 16th is $25.00 for the 6 day week , $35.00 weekly rate after November 16th, and $10.00 daily rate.

GROUP RATE FOR RESERVATIONS- November 5th, 2009 Please note that the deadline to be eligible for this rate has been extended

TROPHY DONATIONS- We can still accept trophy donations [with the donor being listed in the catalog] until October 31, 2009. There are still a few trophy pledges left to be had. If you, your club or Division have not made a pledge to the trophy fund any help would be greatly appreciated.

CATALOG ORDERS- November 1st, 2009

RV RESERVATIONS- November 8th, 2009

BANQUET RESERVATIONS- November 4th, 2009

THANKSGIVING BRUNCHES/DINNERS--Please check the website for updated information on the different buffets and time of availablity.

ENTERTAINMENT--We have some great entertainment planned for the week. All of the weeks entertainment will be in the Washington Room situated on the Lobby level of the hotel.

Monday November 23rd--Connie and the Choirboys will kick off the weeks entertainment. This local group plays a mix of both Blues and Classic rock.

Tuesday November 24th--The first "FOOL'S BALL" will be a party hosted by "The Benevolent Order of the Fool", a group of Bulldoggers that have generously donated money so that this nights festivities can be enjoyed by all. The nights musical entertainment will be Disco Dick and the Mirror Balls, a long time Kansas City favorite. You can find out more about the band at www.discodick.com. The theme for the night will be reliving the 70's Disco era. Everyone is encouraged to dress in their best 70's disco clothes. The sponsors will be providing a limited number of special edition T-shirts, party hats, party favors and refreshments. This will truly be one that will be talked about for years to come and best of all, everything has been donated at no cost to the show or BCA.

Wednesday November 25th --The annual Purina Costume contest with cash prizes and a DJ hosted party afterwords. Look for more information on the website and at the show for specific times.

BULLDOGS ON PARADE CONTEST--We are also sponsoring the FIRST "Bulldogs on Parade Contest". What a great way to win some extra spending money for your week in Kansas City . You can find details for both of these contests on the website at www.2009bcanationalshow.com.

PLEASE NOTE: On Friday November 27, 2009 we will be having a health clinic/checks for Patellar Luxarion and Congential Cardiac. Forms must be filled out ahead of time and $20.00 payment for each procedure will be taken at the health clinic.
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HANDLING SEMINAR---Doris Boyd will host a handling seminar on Monday morning before sweeps. The seminar will be in the ballroom with both verbal and hands-on instruction. Our Instructor Doris Boyd, is renown for her ability to help both beginners and the experienced handler in reaching higher levels of proficiency. We are very lucky that she has agreed to come to Kansas City and give of her time to us.

The closing date for entries for the show is NOVEMBER 4, 2009

We also would like to remind everyone bringing dogs to the show that the following rules will be strictly enforced. There are to be no more than FOUR DOGS PER ROOM. There are to be NO DOGS UNDER SIX MONTHS OF AGE AT THE WESTIN HOTEL.

The premium list is now out!!! Premium lists and on-line entries are also be available on the Superintendent website. http://www.royjonesdogshows.com/PremiumLists/Bulldogs/BulldogNational2009.htm

www.2009bcanationalshow.com

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