"Nucc provides a good bad example. In his zeal to find a way to attack evolution he has to attack all of science. This is part of the same attitude that anyone smart is evil. Intelligence is attacked in this country. "What do scientists know?" Well, we know enough to keep you fed and warm. Something belief in a deity has never done."
That would only be another reason why Nucc and I do not get along
"The flood is positioned as having actually happened when I can clearly see that it's not possible. You can too, which is why you look for ways to still keep the event intact but find ways to interpret it. I just think you're going about it backwards. Learn what is real first, then view scripture through those eyes. The Bible isn't a science book, it's a book about how to live your life. As a church official said to Galileo, "The Bible tells me how to go to heaven, not how the heavens go."
Well, I have to disagree in part with your statement Phred. Personally, I don't look for ways to believe or disbelieve, I am of the opinion and have been since it was instilled in me as a child.... my grandparents raised me and taught me much of "their understanding". They didn't have more then grade 3-4 and grade 5-6 education, so when it came to homework, I was basically on my own.
They gave me much more then any education system ever could.
They never saw the color of a person's skin or the clothing that they wore... I can remember a very stormy summer night, it was very dark and a thunderstorm was approaching and like any other kid, I loved to sit in front of the big window in the kitchen area facing it. You would see the flash and count till ya heard the thunder..... but, one of them flashes caused me to scream and go running! There was a man standing there looking back at me! And he wasn't very nice looking either. I was only about 4 at the time and can still remember it!
My grandfather opened the screen door and invited him in, they made coffee and he had something cold to drink while he waited. Now, we were dirt poor farmers in those days, most of my clothes was handmedowns from cousins and we didn't have a lot but, summer, we had the farm produce.
My grandmother would shuffle off to the pantry and came out with a stack of sandwiches for the fella, even wrapped some up for the road. He stayed until the storm was pretty much past and went on his way. I learned this person was called a hobo, someone down on their luck and in need of some help.
Times sure have changed...
I say all this Phred to say that what my grandparents had was real, they taught ME how to live life, be a "good person" from the inside out. But, what I have today, it came from faith, faith to believe the impossible is possible and faith to believe that God, the creator, the force, the source of all things can't be completely understood and my grandparents also taught me to never back away from whatever I believe and stand for and they weren't talking about religion, they were talking about as a person, in life in all manners. But, that also didn't mean to take a Mack Truck and run over the people you meet who don't agree with you or stand for the same things as you do lol!
My faith is not wavered by what might be presented to me, in way of logic or reasoning, that this is not possible because science or history says so... cause if that were the case, I would have to believe that God IS limited by our knowledge, our logic, what we can reason, our science, our space and our measurement of time and that is not what I have Phred.
As I said before, I believe that science and God, faith in either can co-exist and should. There has to be a balance.
Heck science gets its basic fundamental element from the same source as believers in God.... faith.
A scientist has to have faith about something and that passion for what they believe, well they set out to prove it if possible and yes, there have been some so passionate about what they believe that where there were no answers, they kinda filled in the gaps as they went, unscientifically even. But, that can be said on both sides of the coin, yes?
What I was saying about my grandparents, the greatest lesson they taught me was this....
Everyone is gifted or talented in something or someway, no matter how they look, how they dress, where they live, who they are and if, just if you can tap into some of that in some way, by listening, talking, sharing, you have enriched your life.
Blessings!
Char