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If you refer to the writing of the PaK pointed at in picture 3, it indicates the max. allowed speed.
How do you read the marking on the following PaK shield? Zitomir?
What fantastic pics. Fred. Eternal debt to you for posting.
I think the Soviet artillery pieces are 152mm. Unless there was an ID around with them they may well be from Panzer Lehr Division. 7 to 9 Batteries (4 each) were equipped with them. The Pak38 'Schitomir' with mailed fist 17SSPGD?, they did have a few Pak38's.
Just a couple of things. Amongst those guns are a couple that look a bit different, although similar. It's possible there are two or so that are 122's, an earlier version of the generally recognized 122 M39 I think. Panzer Lehr only reported sFH(r). 2 and 3 Batteries of PzAR155 (21PD) had 122's but they would not have ended up in Isigny. Also there are pics. of the M39? with British troops in attendance, some in colour. I think that is the extent of Soviet artillery in PD's.
For example, the one on the left of the third shot (with the GI on the ML-20 barrel) looks like a 122mm, which used the same carriage as the ML-20. It is visible in the background of the second shot and I think there are another two in the background, facing the camera. The ML-20 is the one with the big slotted muzzle brake but the others have thinner barrels to my eye.
The ones later in the thread seem to include Russian 85mm AA guns (what is it about artilery pieces that make people want to sit on the barrel ) and there is also an ex-French 155mm GPF in there.
Sorry, sorry.... I don't remember where I found those pictures, but USAF squadron picture archive from web, the location ( July 12, 1944, the squadron across the Channel to the Cherbourg Peninsula ).
I know two Dumps in this area ( Baupte and Isigny ), this picture set is very similar to Normandie archive photo :
And collection point-Graveyard previously posted in www.wehrmacht-awards.com by W.Petz...Pictures were probably taken in autumn 1944, more vehicles at this date I think...
We can see ( 100 and 206.Pz.abt ) beute Panzer
In the sixth and seventh pics, there's a wrecked Pak 43 on cruciform mount (no gun shield, barrel off its cradle, etc.) in the foreground with a very interesting camo pattern. These AT guns don't appear in many photos it seems.
In all these pics I'm trying to find something to get some sort of orientation to the best overall view which is the photo with the two Renault UE mortar carriers in the foreground e.g. in Last Of The Panzers. Let's call this photo the "Renault" shot. I can't seem to see any match ups yet.
For instance if you take the lovely Marder M shot you posted above, I can't see this vehicle in the Renault shot. There is a Marder IIIM right in the background behind a 251 but as you can see the side armour is intact. If you look right in the background there's what appears to be an elevated '88' near some RSO's. In the shots you posted above there's an elevated '88' but no RSO.
I'll have a think about this and maybe post something tonight.
BTW this 'Isigny'. I'm sure you posted a map of it before, but am I right in saying this is Isigny-sur-Mer or the other Isigny?
The location of Isigny dump vehicle is a mystery for me, any trace in Web or French google page ( I searched very deep... ) Strange !
We have few evidence Isigny was the exactly location :
Isigny : as well
Baupte : Captured vehicle Park near Baupte ( about 10 km of Carentan on road to La Haye du puits )
Us Army captured 1500 vehicles the 9 june 1944 ( Trucks, RSO, ambulance, tractor...) in large place.
Caption Baupte for this picture confirmed by 39/45 magazine
which I think it is, in fact the mailed fist hints at 17th SS PGD as has been said above, then ****omir would be remembered by the Waffen SS for the heavy fighting conducted by "Das Reich" and "Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler" in December 1943 and not for a war crime. 17th SS didn't participate, of course, but there were ties to "DR" within this unit, e.g. Werner Ostendorff, the first Div. Kdr. was from the "Führer" Regiment. Veterans from DR were among it's cadre, e.g. Helmuth Günther, former Kradschütze in DR and later officer in AA 17 who wrote a book about his experiences during 44. Besides, relations between the two units are said to have been well while fighting side by side in July 44.
The Russian gunhowitzers were not exclusivly found in PLD alone in this sector. They also equipped Artillerie Abteilungen 456, 457 which fought in support of 17. SS PGD and Artillerie Abteilung 460 also was in this sector. This might explain also for the presence of Russian 122mm guns, as these Abteilungen also fielded those.
Hopefully someone can ID the location of the dump for sure, both locations, Isigny sur Mer and Baupte seem plausible.
When written as the Germans write it, it obviously triggers stars. I really like the benefits of censorship, it is definitly for the better of mankind "peep".
Cheers
Hans
A couple of years ago I happened to meet a Ukrainian exchange student who was from Zhitomir (when I asked where she was from, she said, "oh, just a little town that I'm sure you never heard of" . She pronounced it s**t-O-mer, with the accent on the second syllable.
I'm sitting here with photos, trying to make some sense and failing.
Interestingly, both the shot of the dump at 'Isigny' and that closeup of the Pz IV with spare track wrappped it in a dump at Sees were both taken on the 3rd of September.
One more fact. Walt Disneys ancestors came from Isigny - d'Isigny. Google's so much fun
I've always thought that shot of the Tiger and Panther was in England. Note the DTD (Directorate of Technical Development) marking on the Panthers travel lock.
Don't forget that dump at 'Trevieres' per Last of the Panzers, though it's not so far from Isigny.
