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Banks of Rouen ( crossing the Seine after Falaise kessel ), this picture was taken probably before the 26 august 1944,maybe the 25 august before the heavy aerial bombing.
Identification no easy, maybe a member knows more...
(Login grispatrice) Missing-Lynx members 81.244.60.200
Re: Hummel by the Seine river
March 10 2005, 4:55 PM
Hello Nacho.
It was at Rouen,Quai Jean de Béthancourt, no idea for the unit.
from the book 1944,LaPoursuite Alliée of Ronald MacNaid Editions Heimdal.
Cheers Patrice.
hi nacho & fred, i guess they would have been pretty mixed up by that stage but i know DR & HJ were the last to leave, but can we see a 12th SS S & key on the 1/2 track infront?
cheers elliott
i noticed the panther too nacho, looks like a SW to me (august?)umm.
anyway the 6(?)16 i guess the arty comp had same numbers as armoured comp? so its the same numbering pattern as 1st & 12th SS (5,6,7,8) instead of 1,2,3,4.
so would that make LSSAH mostly likely?
cheers elliott
(Login Panzerkopf) Missing-Lynx members 213.5.16.20
What is that panther?
March 11 2005, 4:05 AM
Is it a steel wheeled panther on the far left in the second picture or do my eyes deceive me? I always thought there were no all-steel wheeled panthers that early.
Paul Dimopoulos
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The photos posted here were recently published in the latest Armes et Militaria Magazine (#55), which came out a few weeks ago. There are many other photos from the same sequence, showing a crazy profuson of vehicles, from Tigers and Panthers to carts and cycles.
The request for unit information made me go back to the photos and examine each one in detail. Most show WH or WL on the number plate, but there are a few with SS. The only clear unit sign, and that is only partial, is on a car on page 35. To my interpretation, we can see the right half of a shield, with part of a key. There doesn't seem to be any indication of an 's' behind the camo that covers part of the sign, so I'd go for LSSAH.
According to the text, 1,2 and 12 SS were in the area, so this is quite possible.
I didn't know that the serials were significant. I thought they were just allocated in blocks as the vehicles were manufactured or registered. On the vehicle in question, two numbers are clearly visible before foliage covers the rest.....92! So that makes it LSSAH?
Yes, indeed, if it is SS- 92XXXX then it is almost certainly LSSAH. Of course, this late in the war, and with the inter-breading with HJ, one can't be 100% certain.
I am researching the vehicles and weapons of LAH, and have built a database of their number plates (I've got a couple of hundred of them now... sad bugger that I am). But in cases like this, it can help. The other 99.9% LAH plate seen around Normandy area is the earlier series
SS- 16XXXX.
If either of these are clearly visible, then I'd back that they are LSSAH.
isn't that the "truck" version of the sdkfz7? I've seen another image of one in Normandy. Posted it here some weeks ago.
Does anybody know were I can find information about this vehicle. How rare was it?...... can't seem to find any information about this type on the internet, or maybe I'm looking in the wrong place.
(Login SthAlberta) Missing-Lynx members 203.164.107.150
Famo units identified
March 10 2005, 11:32 PM
All these shots belong to the ECPAD in Paris. I was fotunate enough to see original prints of all these pix during a visit there last year, including this one Niels asked about:
The Famo with Billstein crane covered in blankets bears the SS-style number plate "??-92?225", which means its most likely of 1.SS (it looks like the "SS" has been painted out) . The four Panzers parked around it belong to three or more units on the other hand.
The unit of the early Panther G seen in the background in the shot above is unidentified, but may be 1.SS; the Tiger is definitely SS.101. (thanks to Yann's keen eyes); the Pz IV hidden behind the Famo is identified; and a Panther out of shot to the right is 2. Pz Div. In another photo taken behind this scene is a Pz IV of 7./SS-Pz Regt 1. There is also a late version Famo of 10.SS on the roll of film. Prints that have appeared in books do not show the divisional symbol - this unpublished one does however:
As for the Photo Nacho asks about, we see a Famo a Wespe and Hummel towing a WH-registered Opel Kadet:
The unit(s) not unidentified thus far. The insignia Elliott asks about on the Famo is the same SP artillery tac symbol seen on the Hummel, in the shadow of the rear door.
in an article about the Art. Rgt 74 of 2nd PD in the veteran's journal. They crossed the Seine with just one Wespe and one Hummel, all that was left of their armored Abteilung. When I first read it, this picture came to my mind. I will try to find the article again and put the relevant passage up. Till then
Hans
Has anyone ever dove on this crossing of the Seine? "Sons of the Reich, II SS Panzer Corps" (Michael Reynolds, Casemate) makes references to several barges being sunk by straffing aircraft. AND in "Armor Battles of the Waffen~SS 1943~45" (Will Fey, Stackpole) talks of Tiger 001 of the II s.SS Pz Abt being lost IN the harbor after almost crossing the Seine. Trying to disembark the barge while being straiffed by aircraft, but before the barge was fully tied to the dock it sunk benieth the waters.
I wonder if finds could be made similar to Poland and Russia. Panzers sitting all these years in the river? Or were any of these pulled from the Harbor already?
