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Strange Panzer IV version

July 7 2005 at 4:12 AM
Lorenzo Tonioli  (Login bixio)
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Akira Takiguchi
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Re: Strange Panzer IV version

July 7 2005, 10:21 AM 

This Selbstfahrlafette is a conversion of Brueckenleger IVc - bridge removed and wheelless 5cm Pak 38 was fixed in place. This photo was found in a series of photographs of 18.Panzer-Division, but of course, Brueckenleger IVc was formerly owned by 3.Panzer-Division. It is not known to me how this chassis was acquired by 18th.

The first photograph is correct. The second one, reversed, was posted in an incorrect identification of Kugelblende 50 (it is not).

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Guillem Martí i Pujol
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Possible explanation

July 9 2005, 7:15 AM 

From data on Appendix A in Jetz's Panzertruppen 1943-1945.
Pz Rgt 6 was part of 3.PD, until 25 Jul 40, was renamed as 2nd Kompanie of Pz. Abt. C
Pz Abt C renamed as Tauchpanzer Abt on 24 Jul 40
Renamed as 2nd Kp of Pz Rgt 28 on 6 Dec 40
Disbanded on 1 Mar 41 and renamed to 3rd Kp of Pz Rgt 18.
On 6 Dec 40 was created the stab for Pz Rgt 18 an assigned to 18.Pz Div.

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Akira Takiguchi
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Re: Possible explanation

July 10 2005, 12:31 AM 

Thanks. Unfotunately Brueckenleger IVc belonged to Pz.Pi.Btl.39, not Pz.Rgt.6.

This Brueckleger IVc was used by 3.Panzer-Division in 1941, probably later this year lost its bridge and used for building a makeshift Selbstfahrlafette. The photo appears to have been taken during winter 1941/1942.

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Rick Purdy
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Ostpanzer pics

July 7 2005, 10:37 AM 

Great links,Lorenzo!Thanks!
This armor looks a lot like the 'Dicker-Max'with some differances.The photos show 3 return rollers while drawing shows 4.Recent threads have stated Dicker -Max was on Mark IV chassis(early)which would have used 4 rollers.Caption says 12.8 cm weapon while Max was armed with 10.5cm gun.Is this in fact Dicker-Max or other armor trial TD/SP?

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Paul Krylowski
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Le FH 18/1 (Sf) Gw. IVb (Sd Kfz 165/1)

July 8 2005, 4:11 PM 


According to Spielberger and Feist, Sturmartillerie, 1967, this vehicle was a prototype first attempt to create an artillery piece for armored units. 8 were produced and underwent troop trials. It never reached production.


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