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(Login DavidByrden) Missing-Lynx members from IP address 80.108.12.65
Some questions were answered by CH today. It seems the kit is very much dedicated to representing the Tiger "217" that Carius commanded at Malinovka. Those who want to convert it to some other Mid Tiger will need more than decals.
The only Zimmerit mantlet in the kit will be the Tiger (P) "flat" mantlet. This was very rare in late 1944 and "217" was therefore an unusual Tiger.
Furthermore, the only tracks in the kit will be the "flat" early type. The original tracks of "217" were replaced at some time in the summer of '44 and this is what it carried at Malinovka, as evidenced in this photo;
This fact came to light only 2 days ago, thanks to research at TIIF.DE.
David
This message has been edited by DavidByrden from IP address 80.108.12.65 on May 23, 2012 9:18 AM
i just read the research thread with a combination of interest, admiration and awe
amazing what you guys manage to pull together and present for the rest of us
one question: will the tank have zimmerit as if straight from the factory ie with none of the damage etc as evidenced in your thread? i guess even if DML wanted to do that (unlikely), it's too late now?
if so, would you be able to summarize any obvious areas where the zimm needs to be "chipped off"?
(Login DavidByrden) Missing-Lynx members 80.108.12.65
Yes...
May 23 2012, 2:51 PM
The kit will have an undamaged coat of new Zimmerit. I've seen the relevant parts.
The front upper plate seems to have about 80% of the Zimmerit missing; the Russians must have been hoping to hit the driver with MG fire. The mantlet appears almost undamaged. There are a few large patches knocked off the hull and turret sides; they can be seen in this photo;
I'll mail you a large copy if needed.
David
This message has been edited by DavidByrden from IP address 80.108.12.65 on May 23, 2012 2:53 PM
....About that TIIF discussion is that several times it is said that the whitewashed 217 picture was taken during 43/44 winter AND that it was Otto Carius tank.
We know Carius had 213 until it had to be abandoned and then destroyed after the famous "cupola shot" on April 20 '44. Then much probably he received a Mid Tiger numbered 217 and kept it until he was badly wounded on July 24 and his career as a Tiger commander ended.
So the whitewashed 217 picture must be taken during autumn/winter 44, when it was Carius Tiger no more.
Am I missing something?
This message has been edited by gablet from IP address 78.15.106.117 on May 23, 2012 3:54 PM This message has been edited by gablet from IP address 78.15.106.117 on May 23, 2012 3:53 PM
(Login DavidByrden) Missing-Lynx members 80.108.12.65
The tank's story...
May 23 2012, 4:10 PM
it would have been received by the unit in January or February 1944 along with many other, very similar, Tigers. The whitewash and the small black digits are typical of the Narva campaign that followed. The lack of snow in this photo
suggests it was taken in the spring of 1944, before the tank was repainted for the summer.
So, when Carius got the tank, it had already been used by another commander.
dear david, many thanks for the pic.
as was described before, there are many parts of the tiger without zimm , but the paint cover the metal with the zimm missing too...and the side mudguard are in a non standard angle and the paint camo cover at below of mudguard too ...as if the tiger could be repainted not so long time ago....i guess so. could be fine if anyone could do a drawing with the portion of the tiger to clean of zimm.
tks
sdl
![[linked image]](http://tiger1.info/pictures/217-camo.jpg)
