Hi guys
I've just reviewd this car from Master Box and very nice it is too.

http://www.armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Reviews&file=index&req=showcontent&id=7960

One failing with the kit is that is does not have an option to model the car with the radio aerial erected. On the Master Box website, the first of the CAD drawings for this car suggests an aerial, but one is not supplied.http://www.mbltd.info/3531.htm

The radio supplied in the kit is a Torn.Fu.B1 which is an HF transceiver for field use.

Does anyone have any reference for this aerial?

Cheers
Mike

Haven'T got mine yet. Question did any of these see use in Afrika? Thanks for any info. Brock

but I have only seen reference photos in NA with the "Standard" Kfz, (= the 4 doors version).

Hi,

Nice looking kit, but a few points to modify in both the narrative and the CAD drawings,

The narrative says the body construction has "improved protection against enemy schrapnel and small arms fire", this is not a feasible statement, all the 170 VK bodies were wooden framed with either sheet aluminium covering or a Vulcanboard covering (A compressed 5-6mm thick man-made fibre and glue compressed board). And constructed as such would have no resistace to bullets or schrapnel whatsoever.

The Kubel chassis is not reinforced when compared to the car, but is different, but only at the rear, where the chassis members raise upwards to support the rear deck of the Kubel body, where on the car they are much lower and support the floor of the rear luggage space.

Ref Kfz numbering, A Kfz 2 is a signals repair vehicle, neither a radio or telephone carrier, just general purpose repairs, whereas a Kfz 2/1 is a Fernsprechwagen (telephones) and a Kfz 2/2 is the Funkwagen (radios). All these vehicles have 3 seat bodies and not 4 as mentioned.

ref the CAD drawings, the radio antenna mount is not known to be fitted as per the top left drawing shows, its either fitted to the top of the radio box itself (as normal), or fitted to the radio antenna mount fixed at the rear, drivers side, of the body.

ref the same view drawing and others in the group, the "poles" shown on the passenger side of the body are not for a radio vehicle, they are for the Kfz 2/1 Fernsprechwagen and are for carrying the two piece 4 metre wire positioning pole, used by all telephone operatives and their vehicles.

Trust this is of interest,

cheers leonard paul

Hi there
Thank you very much for the clarification. As you may have guessed, I know very little about the actual vehicle and could find very little when I wrote it. I am glad to be corrected by someone who has more knowledge.

The model has an aerial mount at the left rear corner which ties in with what you say. I thought that the CAD drawing was incorrect but if the aerial could have been mounted to the radio, then maybe it isn't.

Just to be clear, what you are saying is that the model represents a Kfz 2/2 and should not have the poles on the right rear side. Is this correct? In fact the model is a mixture of both vehicles?

I'd like to clarify this and correct my information.

Cheers
Mike

Hi Mike,

Glad the info is of use, I recently had a 170V cabroliet in my workshop so was able to make comparrisons versus the 170VK kubels I have seen and the 170VK Kubels parts and service books that I have. It was very interesting to be able to do this.

The aerial is never mounted as shown, there is nothing there on which to mount it, its either on the rear side base fitting or on the radio box itself. On the top of the radio box is an aerial mount, which is where the aerial would be mounted if the radio was being carried by an infantryman on his back.

A Kfz 2/2 is a radio vehicle and a Kfz 2/1 is a telephone vehicle, the poles on the side are for a Kfz 2/1, and are two pieces of 2 metre long wooden poles that are then joined together like a fishing rod to be 4 metres long, and have a hook on one end for holding telephone wire as it is reeled out or reeled in from the vehicle, which as a Kfz 2/1 is of course carrying several reels of telephone cabling. Not for a radio vehicle.

A couple of photos that may help, they are factory photos and both of the same radio vehicle, fortunately of both sides, and whislt the aerial base is not fitted to the rear body, its fixing brackets are there. Note; no brackets fitted for the wooden poles on the passenger side body.

The third photo shows one of the two stowage locations for the aerial when not in use, across the top of the rear luggage compartment door, you can see the brackets on the other photos, or inside in some purpose made bracketry (and can never be seen from the outside)

cheers leonard paul

byyja

Thanks to your information I have now corrected the two reviews - I hope:-) I've also given you a small credit!

Cheers
Mike

Hi,

A little bit more to explain the aerial fixing points better, although the two photos show a lEpkw vehicle, as regards the radio and rear body layout the lEpkw is absolutely identical to the 170VK.

cheers leonard paul

Hi Leonard
Thanks very much. You've been very helpful.

Cheers
Mike