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Allied WWII AFV Discussion Group

Hosted by John Prigent and Steve Zaloga, this is a discussion group dedicated to the armoured forces of the many Allied nations of the Second World War.
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  1. Thunder Scammell SV2 View Thread - Ronald Schoenmakers on Feb 25, 2018, 5:50 AM
    1. Facebook - John Harris on Feb 25, 2018, 2:33 PM
     
  2. Photo references View Thread - Stephen Tegner on Feb 24, 2018, 5:24 PM
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  4. Question about Soviet "amoeba" camo suits? View Thread - Jeff Hamblen on Feb 24, 2018, 3:54 AM
    1. 1937-38 first issued - Jack Geratic on Feb 24, 2018, 12:58 PM
      1. Thanks Jack for the link n/t - Jeff Hamblen on Feb 24, 2018, 3:51 PM
     
  5. "Don Cossack" T-34 View Thread - JGustafson on Feb 23, 2018, 4:24 PM
    1. "Don Cossack" T-34 - Eduard Sorokin on Feb 24, 2018, 12:54 PM
      1. Perfect! - JG on Feb 24, 2018, 1:54 PM
     
  6. For Stephen TEIGNER View Thread - Patrick VAUDREVILLE on Feb 23, 2018, 11:04 AM
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  8. Late M3 Lee in Tunisia? View Thread - Colin on Feb 22, 2018, 2:11 PM
    1. Yes it did - Al Bowie on Feb 22, 2018, 5:29 PM
      1. Re: Yes it did - Anonymous on Feb 24, 2018, 5:00 PM
      2. Thanks! - Colin on Feb 24, 2018, 5:02 PM
     
  9. Some unusual Jeep markings - View Thread - Andrew Tomlinson on Feb 22, 2018, 1:19 PM
    1. Jeep Markings - Simon King on Feb 22, 2018, 2:42 PM
     
  10. Brach Renault 35 View Thread - Mike Powell on Feb 22, 2018, 11:38 AM
    1. I have this kit - Chris Lloyd-Staples on Feb 22, 2018, 2:21 PM
      1. Re: I have this kit - Mike Powell on Feb 22, 2018, 3:46 PM
        1. Trench skid... - Niels Henkemans on Feb 22, 2018, 7:27 PM
        2. That turret - Chris Lloyd-Staples on Feb 23, 2018, 4:25 AM
        3. Ignore double post - Chris Lloyd-Staples on Feb 23, 2018, 4:25 AM
      2. which shapeways turret did you use? - Dan Reed on Feb 25, 2018, 3:29 AM
    2. Accurate decals ? - Anonymous on Feb 23, 2018, 4:19 AM
    3. R35 French decals - Patrice DEBUCQUOY on Feb 23, 2018, 8:46 AM
      1. Re: R35 French decals - Mike Powell on Feb 24, 2018, 4:32 PM
        1. I am the person - Laurent Deneu on Feb 25, 2018, 3:08 AM
     
  11. Bizarre LVT Allocation View Thread - Sam Wren on Feb 21, 2018, 11:43 PM
    1. Flooded areas - Paul Napier on Feb 22, 2018, 12:34 AM
      1. Makes sense - Javier de Luelmo - Diesel on Feb 22, 2018, 12:58 PM
    2. Re: Bizarre LVT Allocation - Anonymous on Feb 25, 2018, 3:11 AM
      1. Not a luxury in marshlands - graham Boak on Feb 25, 2018, 6:23 AM
     
  12. My recent request for parts to Miniart - and their reply :-) View Thread - Andrew Tomlinson on Feb 21, 2018, 6:33 PM
    1. Sounds good - Roger Cockburn on Feb 22, 2018, 3:57 AM
      1. Yes, nothing lost by reminding them ! - Andrew Tomlinson on Feb 22, 2018, 4:01 AM
        1. And their latest reply re the suggestions on ML - - Andrew Tomlinson on Feb 22, 2018, 5:37 AM
     
  13. Asuka sherman Fay View Thread - Ian Foster on Feb 21, 2018, 5:16 AM
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  15. Brit / Canadian 2 tier Stretcher Jeep conversion notes and website View Thread - Andrew Tomlinson on Feb 20, 2018, 5:48 AM
    1. That's some good reference pics... - John Hobsson on Feb 20, 2018, 4:43 PM
    2. Very nice photos... thanks Andrew. I am also doing ambulances now. - Cliff Leverette on Feb 20, 2018, 6:55 PM
      1. Thanks guys! I'll attempt to transfer from my other PC soon (not linked). - Andrew Tomlinson on Feb 21, 2018, 3:43 AM
        1. Stretchers - John Wypyszinski on Feb 21, 2018, 8:50 AM
    3. plans - Jordan Baker on Feb 21, 2018, 2:39 PM
      1. Jeep Plans - Gordon Parker on Feb 24, 2018, 3:26 PM
    4. Re: Brit / Canadian 2 tier Stretcher Jeep conversion notes and website - Jordan Baker on Feb 21, 2018, 2:44 PM
      1. Thanks, great info - not fully in focus / viewable in top plan shot - Andrew Tomlinson on Feb 21, 2018, 3:53 PM
        1. Re: Thanks, great info - not fully in focus / viewable in top plan shot - Jordan Baker on Feb 21, 2018, 5:52 PM
          1. Email pics - that'll be great ! Thanks. - Andrew Tomlinson on Feb 21, 2018, 6:13 PM
            1. Re: Email pics - that'll be great ! Thanks. - Jordan Baker on Feb 21, 2018, 10:23 PM
              1. Excellent info and reply, thanks so much. Your model is so inspiring ! - Andrew Tomlinson on Feb 24, 2018, 5:30 AM
     
  16. WWII US Airial Recognition panels View Thread - Kevin J. McNichols on Feb 19, 2018, 10:45 PM
    1. Air Recognition Panels - John Wypyszinski on Feb 20, 2018, 9:26 AM
    2. combination of colors - roy chow on Feb 21, 2018, 8:48 AM
      1. Blue Panels - Gerald Owens on Feb 21, 2018, 11:35 PM
     
  17. Accurate Armor Traxpax View Thread - Frank Iannetta on Feb 19, 2018, 9:17 PM
    1. Hot water - but not (ideally) on the model... - Andrew Tomlinson on Feb 20, 2018, 5:15 AM
      1. I feel your pain - Jon Arnold on Feb 20, 2018, 7:34 AM
      2. Thanks guys - Frank Iannetta on Feb 20, 2018, 12:53 PM
    2. Easy to use - David Nickels on Feb 21, 2018, 5:45 PM
     
  18. Archer Interior colour?? View Thread - Carlo Quiroz on Feb 18, 2018, 7:00 PM
    1. Same as the outside - Tom Kaszas on Feb 19, 2018, 11:14 AM
      1. Archer Interior colour?? - Carlos Quiroz on Feb 19, 2018, 12:17 PM
    2. Scroll back here - David Nickels on Feb 19, 2018, 12:25 PM
      1. Archer color interior? - Carlos Quiroz on Feb 19, 2018, 4:15 PM
     
  19. Rare Matador Armd Car pic - View Thread - Andrew Tomlinson on Feb 18, 2018, 2:15 PM
    1. AEC Mk III - NOT Matador - Al Bowie on Feb 18, 2018, 8:42 PM
      1. Thanks for the info, I understood they were colloquially known as Matadors... - Andrew Tomlinson on Feb 19, 2018, 4:18 AM
        1. AEC MkIII - MP Robinson on Feb 19, 2018, 8:07 AM
        2. I recall reading that in the armd car regts’ war diaries - Robert Lockie on Feb 19, 2018, 2:25 PM
          1. Thanks Rob, so I'm not going mad ;-) - Andrew Tomlinson on Feb 19, 2018, 3:46 PM
            1. Matador - MP Robinson on Feb 20, 2018, 5:04 AM
              1. Excellent info, thanks. - Andrew Tomlinson on Feb 20, 2018, 5:17 AM
                1. Archer - MP Robinson on Feb 20, 2018, 4:52 PM
     
  20. one of the best YouTube videos of US tanks with tons of storage, etc View Thread - Cliff Leverette on Feb 17, 2018, 4:04 PM
    1. Ace find ! Love the rear loaded M31s... - Andrew Tomlinson on Feb 17, 2018, 5:39 PM
    2. An M31 recovering a *French* tank!? Wow. - Tom Hall on Feb 18, 2018, 12:32 AM
      1. Nice - Timo de Porto on Feb 18, 2018, 3:22 AM
        1. About the loaded M4s not firing from the rear in this particular film - Cliff Leverette on Feb 18, 2018, 5:46 PM
    3. Video comments - Patrice DEBUCQUOY on Feb 18, 2018, 5:59 AM
      1. Possibly brand new / clean track links put on ... - Andrew Tomlinson on Feb 18, 2018, 10:04 AM
    4. At 7.07 minuets, is that antimagnetic paste on the French tank? - Cliff Leverette on Feb 18, 2018, 5:40 PM
    5. Halftrack - Frank Iannetta on Feb 19, 2018, 9:25 PM
      1. I the black dog storage on some items would fit nicely here. I have sent word to - Cliff Leverette on Feb 20, 2018, 6:54 PM
     
  21. Rear end of Crusader gun tractor towing limber and 17pdr - pic View Thread - Andrew Tomlinson on Feb 17, 2018, 3:30 PM
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  23. T-34-85 UTZ Mod.1944 Dragon question View Thread - John Rosengrant on Feb 17, 2018, 11:20 AM
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  25. Help with Scammell View Thread - Kev Smith on Feb 17, 2018, 6:46 AM
    1. Scammell R100 - Andrew Jones on Feb 17, 2018, 11:15 AM
      1. Scammell R100 - Chris Grove on Feb 17, 2018, 3:27 PM
        1. Thanks Guys N/T - Kev on Feb 18, 2018, 5:35 PM
      2. Links to Scammell pictures ? - James Guld on Feb 20, 2018, 6:47 AM
     
  26. Where have my pictures gone? View Thread - Steve Pannell on Feb 16, 2018, 5:58 AM
    1. How did you host them? - David Nickels on Feb 16, 2018, 10:54 AM
    2. Browser fix - John Harris on Feb 16, 2018, 11:35 AM
    3. n/t - John Harris on Feb 16, 2018, 11:36 AM
    4. If you only uploaded them to N54, they expire after a week or two n/m - JMehner on Feb 16, 2018, 2:15 PM
    5. Thanks for the feedback - Steve Pannell on Feb 16, 2018, 3:30 PM
     
  27. Cromwell ARV refs - link to website View Thread - Andrew Tomlinson on Feb 15, 2018, 5:47 AM
    1. Cavalier Instruction Book - John Tapsell on Feb 15, 2018, 5:02 PM
      1. Great, thanks John. Prob at Crewe, defo Cosford. - Andrew Tomlinson on Feb 15, 2018, 6:21 PM
     
  28. Captured Ford with tilt frame - pic View Thread - Andrew Tomlinson on Feb 15, 2018, 5:42 AM
    1. Tilt frame - Andrew Jones on Feb 15, 2018, 8:01 AM
    2. Tanker frame? - Mike Starmer on Feb 17, 2018, 2:56 PM
     
  29. Looking for book about General Steel: title? Author? View Thread - roy chow on Feb 13, 2018, 7:16 AM
    1. Tank Plant - Steve Zaloga on Feb 13, 2018, 9:34 AM
      1. Re: Tank Plant - Chris Camfield on Feb 13, 2018, 12:07 PM
      2. Don't Expect Much - Chris Johnson on Feb 13, 2018, 4:58 PM
        1. I've seen it - roy chow on Feb 14, 2018, 8:49 AM
     
  30. Diamond T with 30 Ton Trailer View Thread - Andrew Tomlinson on Feb 12, 2018, 1:22 PM
    1. I would say so ..... - Peter Smith on Feb 12, 2018, 8:23 PM
      1. Diamond T with semi-trailer - Andrew Jones on Feb 13, 2018, 2:03 AM
    2. Re: Diamond T with 30 Ton Trailer - Chris Johnson on Feb 13, 2018, 5:14 PM
     
  31. Gasoline stencilling USAAF View Thread - Gert Mons on Feb 12, 2018, 10:18 AM
    1. Paint Masks & CMK conversion - Jon Arnold on Feb 13, 2018, 6:32 AM
      1. Thanks, Jon - Gert Mons on Feb 15, 2018, 4:04 AM
     
  32. Rare winter scheme on T34 Octagonal turret - pic View Thread - Andrew Tomlinson on Feb 11, 2018, 6:45 PM
    1. Re: Rare winter scheme on T34 Octagonal turret - pic - Aleksandr Gladchenkov on Feb 11, 2018, 11:30 PM
    2. 'Tracks' camo... - Paul Kirchner on Feb 14, 2018, 8:29 PM
      1. And how about this one ?? ;-) - Andrew Tomlinson on Feb 17, 2018, 5:42 PM
        1. Re: And how about this one ?? ;-) - Aleksandr Gladchenkov on Feb 19, 2018, 12:48 AM
     
  33. Sherman Calliope. View Thread - John Bryce on Feb 10, 2018, 8:45 AM
    1. Re: Sherman Calliope. - Gary Owsley on Feb 10, 2018, 3:57 PM
      1. Re: Sherman Calliope. - John Bryce on Feb 11, 2018, 2:57 AM
    2. Seen on M4 M4 Hybrid and M4A3 - Tom Cromwell on Feb 11, 2018, 10:37 AM
      1. Re: Seen on M4 M4 Hybrid and M4A3 - John Bryce on Feb 11, 2018, 4:11 PM
     
  34. Infantry phones on M-4's View Thread - Dave Utley on Feb 9, 2018, 12:43 PM
    1. Google "Sherman tank infantry phone" - Ed Keene on Feb 9, 2018, 9:26 PM
      1. Thank you Ed! nt - Dave Utley on Feb 11, 2018, 8:31 PM
     
  35. Diesel Jerry Cans and fuel drums View Thread - Kevin J. McNichols on Feb 8, 2018, 11:00 PM
    1. Red circular tags, I believe. - Andrew Tomlinson on Feb 9, 2018, 12:48 AM
    2. A little.......... - Dan Rosecrans on Feb 9, 2018, 8:12 PM
    3. In addition... - Herve Charbonneau on Feb 11, 2018, 10:36 AM
      1. Yep........ - Dan Rosecrans on Feb 11, 2018, 12:38 PM
     
  36. Masses of M31 and M32 ARV refs on website - View Thread - Andrew Tomlinson on Feb 8, 2018, 6:41 PM
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  38. Soviet WWII tank crew overall color? View Thread - Jordi Albir on Feb 8, 2018, 3:26 AM
    1. Coweralls - Mikko Hietala on Feb 8, 2018, 9:04 AM
      1. Soviet tank crew uniform - Jordi Albir on Feb 14, 2018, 2:35 PM
    2. Black & Blue - Paul Kirchner on Feb 14, 2018, 8:24 PM
     
  39. Mission Models SCC 15 View Thread - Tom Hall on Feb 8, 2018, 12:55 AM
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  41. m26 dragon wagon View Thread - John Loughman on Feb 7, 2018, 9:32 PM
    1. Tech Manual download - roy chow on Feb 8, 2018, 11:16 AM
      1. m26 dragon wagon - john loughman on Feb 8, 2018, 5:25 PM
     
  42. Takom M3 Grant and Lee View Thread - Bob Carvo on Feb 7, 2018, 7:27 PM
    1. Takom M3 Grant and Lee - Iain Stuart on Feb 8, 2018, 12:58 AM
    2. But The Irony Is...... - Kevin Carroll on Feb 8, 2018, 8:38 AM
      1. I took advice from Andys Hobby Headquarters and glued them - Bob Carvo on Feb 8, 2018, 9:04 AM
      2. That font looks suspiciously like Arial, which was not around in WWII. n/m - JMehner on Feb 8, 2018, 1:50 PM
        1. Not Arial but Helvetica - Javier de Luelmo - Diesel on Feb 8, 2018, 7:17 PM
          1. It's probably based on this M31 - Kurt Laughlin on Feb 9, 2018, 8:38 AM
            1. Trouble is... - Javier de Luelmo - Diesel on Feb 13, 2018, 5:43 AM
        2. Dunno..... - Kevin Carroll on Feb 8, 2018, 8:19 PM
      3. Neat model, thanks. But is that sprocket right? - Andrew Tomlinson on Feb 8, 2018, 6:40 PM
        1. Yes - Kurt Laughlin on Feb 9, 2018, 12:49 PM
          1. Cheers, understood. - Andrew Tomlinson on Feb 9, 2018, 3:28 PM
            1. Been discussed... - Mike Roof on Feb 9, 2018, 4:36 PM
              1. Brilliant, thanks. - Andrew Tomlinson on Feb 9, 2018, 6:13 PM
    3. I thought they were pretty good for a working suspension - David Coyne on Feb 12, 2018, 1:16 PM
     
  43. Welded hull M31 TRV ? View Thread - Andrew Tomlinson on Feb 7, 2018, 5:01 PM
    1. Wingen-Sur-Moder, France - Marwin Albertema on Feb 8, 2018, 4:24 AM
    2. Welded hull M31s were called M31B1s: not that rare - roy chow on Feb 8, 2018, 11:39 AM
      1. Thanks all, obviously I have'nt been looking hard enough. - Andrew Tomlinson on Feb 8, 2018, 1:22 PM
     
  44. SU-85 early ammo racks photos or drawings View Thread - Piotr Wypiór on Feb 7, 2018, 2:09 PM
    1. Re: SU-85 early ammo racks photos or drawings - Bruno COLLIN on Feb 9, 2018, 4:42 AM
      1. PM sent - Piotr Wypiór on Feb 9, 2018, 5:33 PM
    2. I have a couple of (not great) internal drawings - Robert Lockie on Feb 15, 2018, 7:33 AM
      1. Email - Piotr Wypiór on Feb 15, 2018, 3:22 PM
        1. Email sent - Robert Lockie on Feb 16, 2018, 6:27 PM
     
  45. WW2 shotguns View Thread - Cliff Leverette on Feb 7, 2018, 12:47 PM
    1. Yes... - Mike Roof on Feb 7, 2018, 1:36 PM
      1. Rare in the ETO, but they were used there - Herve Charbonneau on Feb 7, 2018, 7:50 PM
        1. No doubt... - Mike Roof on Feb 8, 2018, 12:17 AM
    2. They come in some figure sets - David Nickels on Feb 7, 2018, 4:11 PM
    3. M1898 shotguns - Kevin J. McNichols on Feb 8, 2018, 11:15 PM
     
  46. Unusual M4A1 ARV - pic View Thread - Andrew Tomlinson on Feb 6, 2018, 7:07 AM
    1. It's a RAM AVRE - Tom Kaszas on Feb 6, 2018, 7:57 AM
      1. Excellent, thanks. Just need a Ram kit now ! - Andrew Tomlinson on Feb 6, 2018, 12:06 PM
        1. Just one as seen in the image - Greg Buechler on Feb 6, 2018, 3:54 PM
          1. Thanks Greg. Any in NWE? - Andrew Tomlinson on Feb 6, 2018, 6:23 PM
            1. Not used in combat formations, Andrew - Greg Buechler on Feb 6, 2018, 8:20 PM
      2. ARV NOT AVRE - Ossie Orsbourn on Feb 6, 2018, 1:24 PM
     
  47. Earliest use of the Us M4 Mortar Carrier Half track? View Thread - Andrew Tomlinson on Feb 5, 2018, 9:30 PM
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  49. About the Nemrod Soviet tank crew. Ref: 35027 View Thread - Jordi Albir on Feb 5, 2018, 6:25 PM
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  51. AK Real Colors British SCC15 Olive Drab View Thread - David Nickels on Feb 5, 2018, 6:04 PM
    1. Alternative SCC colours - Jon Arnold on Feb 8, 2018, 2:59 AM
      1. The AK paints - David Nickels on Feb 9, 2018, 8:20 AM
    2. Incorrect terminology. - Mike Starmer on Feb 9, 2018, 9:40 AM
      1. I never used those terms or only - David Nickels on Feb 9, 2018, 5:40 PM
        1. No disrespect David - Mike Starmer on Feb 10, 2018, 9:57 AM
          1. Ahh gotcha - David Nickels on Feb 10, 2018, 5:15 PM
            1. British colours - Anonymous on Feb 14, 2018, 5:37 AM
              1. Thanks yes I have looked there oten nt - David Nickels on Feb 19, 2018, 12:26 PM
     
  52. More 'budget - bashing releases' - New Morris Bofors C9/B gun truck: PIC View Thread - Andrew Tomlinson on Feb 5, 2018, 5:46 PM
    1. I agree about the box art but scroll down to the locomotive box art. nt - David Hogue on Feb 6, 2018, 12:17 AM
     
  53. 79AD Sherman -Ajax- View Thread - Ondrej Rott on Feb 5, 2018, 4:22 PM
    1. Great Find - Al Bowie on Feb 6, 2018, 5:56 PM
     
  54. Does anyone have measures for Valentine mk.I - IV rear hatches? View Thread - Mikko Hietala on Feb 5, 2018, 12:45 AM
    1. The only MkI is in South Africa. - Stephen Tegner on Feb 5, 2018, 2:56 AM
    2. Valentines - Peter Smith on Feb 5, 2018, 7:29 PM
      1. Thanks for you information - Mikko Hietala on Feb 6, 2018, 12:32 AM
        1. Is it just the height you want? - Stephen Tegner on Feb 6, 2018, 2:03 AM
          1. Rear louvered accesdoor dimensions - Mikko Hietala on Feb 6, 2018, 10:04 AM
    3. Real world size 905mm. - Stephen Tegner on Feb 7, 2018, 5:18 AM
      1. Great - Mikko Hietala on Feb 7, 2018, 6:20 AM
    4. Hatch sizes - Peter Smith on Feb 12, 2018, 8:47 PM
      1. Interesting. - Stephen Tegner on Feb 13, 2018, 9:01 AM
        1. Well the question was about ...... - Peter Smith on Feb 14, 2018, 5:37 PM
     
  55. M31 TRV Question View Thread - Joel Smith on Feb 4, 2018, 1:23 PM
    1. Yes - Greg Buechler on Feb 4, 2018, 3:00 PM
    2. Re: M31 TRV Question - Gary Owsley on Feb 5, 2018, 1:33 AM
    3. Thanh you Gentlemen! N/T - Joel Smith on Feb 5, 2018, 9:11 AM
     
  56. Scammell tank transporter View Thread - Brad Belsheim on Feb 3, 2018, 10:25 AM
    1. Re: Scammell tank transporter - Geoff Baines on Feb 3, 2018, 10:48 AM
      1. Scammell tank transporter - Simon king on Feb 3, 2018, 10:56 AM
        1. Scammell 20 ton transporter - Andrew Jones on Feb 3, 2018, 12:53 PM
          1. Oops - Simon king on Feb 3, 2018, 1:57 PM
            1. Thunder Models trailers - Bob Locke on Feb 3, 2018, 6:17 PM
              1. Thanks for that - Simon King on Feb 4, 2018, 1:52 AM
                1. Thanks - Brad Belsheim on Feb 5, 2018, 8:11 AM
              2. White-Ruxtall too, please - Peter Smith on Feb 5, 2018, 2:41 PM
          2. Snow White - Peter Smith on Feb 5, 2018, 2:28 PM
     
  57. WO 205/1165 - many tank photos - available for download View Thread - Sam Wren on Feb 3, 2018, 12:31 AM
    1. Thanks Sam, that is great raw material for research - Kurt Laughlin on Feb 3, 2018, 12:10 PM
    2. Awesome photos but... - Wayne Killeen on Feb 3, 2018, 8:55 PM
      1. Re: Awesome photos but... - Anonymous on Feb 3, 2018, 10:09 PM
    3. Thanks Sam - Robert Lockie on Feb 5, 2018, 2:51 PM
     
  58. What are the differences between an early versus mid production Sherman Mk III? View Thread - BradMain on Feb 2, 2018, 2:53 PM
    1. Re: What are the differences between an early versus mid production Sherman Mk III? - Chris Camfield on Feb 2, 2018, 3:19 PM
    2. Essentially - Al Bowie on Feb 2, 2018, 4:43 PM
    3. Thanks Chris and Al nt - BradMain on Feb 2, 2018, 5:37 PM
     
  59. For Kurt Lauglin - Radial Diesel Grants View Thread - Peter Smith on Feb 2, 2018, 2:34 PM
    1. Thanks for the follow-up, Peter - Kurt Laughlin on Feb 2, 2018, 11:22 PM
      1. Grant and Lee stuff - Peter Smith on Feb 3, 2018, 7:44 PM
        1. Previous discussions - Kurt Laughlin on Feb 4, 2018, 10:35 AM
      2. Grant book - Peter Smith on Feb 6, 2018, 7:22 PM
    2. Oh, that I have lived so long as to see such days... - Paul Roberts on Feb 6, 2018, 7:23 PM
     
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