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Allied WWII AFV Discussion Group

Hosted by John Prigent and Steve Zaloga, this is a discussion group dedicated to the armoured forces of the many Allied nations of the Second World War.
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  1. So OK - how do you 're-cast' a turret? View Thread - John Tapsell on Aug 22, 2:01 PM
    1. Re: So OK - how do you 're-cast' a turret? - Paul Roberts on Aug 22, 3:34 PM
      1. 'Rejects' - John Tapsell on Aug 22, 4:30 PM
      2. Absolutely - Kurt Laughlin on Aug 22, 8:36 PM
     
  2. Tamiya 35333 British Airborne soldier bicycle set View Thread - Bob Locke on Aug 22, 1:52 PM
    1. Yes, Tamiya does ;-) [n/t] - Pawel ''Vodnik'' Krupowicz on Aug 22, 2:36 PM
    2. 35333 is actually an Abrams tank! However... - Gary Donaldson on Aug 22, 4:33 PM
      1. BSA Parabike - simon king on Aug 23, 3:50 AM
        1. LRDG - Erik Ahlström on Aug 23, 6:00 AM
      2. No, Tamiya 35333 is a bike. Eduard 35333 is a PE set for Tamiya Abrams... [n/t] - Pawel ''Vodnik'' Krupowicz on Aug 23, 8:31 AM
     
  3. Merit Models Dizzy T View Thread - Simon king on Aug 22, 8:43 AM
    1. Re: Merit Models Dizzy T - Henri-Pierre Mas on Aug 22, 12:34 PM
    2. Curious mix - Herve Charbonneau on Aug 22, 12:53 PM
    3. Merit is related to Trumpeter and Hobby Boss nt - david nickels on Aug 22, 2:08 PM
      1. Trailer? - Frank Blanton on Aug 23, 6:44 AM
        1. yes - david nickels on Aug 23, 8:19 AM
      2. Not at all... - Scott Millican on Sep 4, 12:06 PM
     
  4. Valentine Bridgelayer? View Thread - Jürgen Scholz on Aug 22, 5:17 AM
    1. Received one today - Ian Garnett on Sep 13, 6:00 AM
     
  5. Did any Soviet Matilda's have return rollers??? View Thread - Charles Matthews on Aug 21, 5:47 PM
    1. Possibly - James Guld on Aug 21, 8:15 PM
      1. Great Stuff Jim - thanks!!!! n/t - Charles Matthews on Aug 21, 8:39 PM
    2. Complex question - Scott Fraser on Aug 21, 9:28 PM
      1. Thanks again. About my project - Charles Matthews on Aug 22, 7:24 AM
    3. Soviet Matildas with return rollers - Michael Grieve on Aug 23, 9:16 AM
      1. Thanks Mike - Charles Matthews on Aug 23, 9:26 PM
     
  6. Armoured Car AOS markings. View Thread - Les Clancy on Aug 21, 2:27 PM
    1. I agree with you! - Chris Lloyd-Staples on Aug 21, 5:33 PM
      1. Re: Green over White - Dave Block on Aug 23, 9:59 AM
     
  7. Warpaint - WW2 Special View Thread - Dick Taylor on Aug 21, 1:22 PM
    1. More Armoured Car Coverage - Chuck Rothman on Aug 21, 2:00 PM
    2. A couple of things come to mind... - Nicholas Perry on Aug 21, 2:21 PM
    3. I must comment at this point: - Dick Taylor on Aug 21, 2:36 PM
      1. My apologies....insert red faced emoticon here... - Nicholas Perry on Aug 21, 4:36 PM
    4. I would second the Armoured car post - Les Clancy on Aug 21, 2:37 PM
    5. Applied markings - simon king on Aug 21, 2:55 PM
    6. Other Commonwealth Formation Signs... - Mike Roof on Aug 21, 3:46 PM
    7. Re: Warpaint - WW2 Special - Paul Roberts on Aug 21, 9:30 PM
      1. Repackage or new book,. - Erik Ahlström on Aug 22, 2:40 AM
    8. paint chips - Chris Meddings on Aug 22, 8:03 AM
      1. Re: paint chips - Paul Roberts on Aug 22, 10:35 AM
    9. Men inside the Metal: Vol 2 - Randy Hampton on Aug 23, 12:40 AM
    10. More comments (tearing remaining hair out!) - Dick Taylor on Aug 23, 6:07 AM
      1. thanks Dick - Chris Meddings on Aug 23, 6:21 AM
      2. Sorry Dick! - Simon King on Aug 23, 7:46 AM
      3. OK Now I understand...the meds help as well... - Nicholas Perry on Aug 23, 11:25 AM
      4. Sounds Good - Scott Taylor on Aug 23, 2:47 PM
      5. Oh Dear - Al Bowie on Aug 26, 5:59 PM
     
  8. Good photos of Hotchkiss trench skid? View Thread - Niels Henkemans on Aug 21, 8:25 AM
    1. Re: Good photos of Hotchkiss trench skid? - Mike Powell on Aug 21, 11:20 AM
      1. French website... - Niels Henkemans on Aug 21, 11:59 AM
    2. Hotchkiss trench skid - Gary Hoyt on Aug 21, 11:39 AM
      1. Great - Niels Henkemans on Aug 21, 12:09 PM
    3. Some pics - Steve Zaloga on Aug 21, 1:56 PM
      1. Thanks Steve, - Niels Henkemans on Aug 21, 2:36 PM
    4. Some more pics - Steve Zaloga on Aug 21, 2:26 PM
      1. that second photo.... - Niels Henkemans on Aug 21, 2:48 PM
        1. A square plate as well - Tomas Enerdal on Aug 22, 5:10 AM
          1. Think you're right - Niels Henkemans on Aug 23, 5:58 AM
            1. My estimation - Tomas Enerdal on Aug 23, 6:21 AM
     
  9. Bronco 6Pdr Announced on Perth View Thread - David Williams on Aug 21, 7:39 AM
    1. Airborne 6lb'r - Stephen Lord on Aug 21, 11:06 AM
    2. All hail Bronco - Al Bowie on Aug 21, 6:01 PM
     
  10. LVT (A)2 Marianas Cammo question View Thread - Rob Anderson on Aug 21, 2:21 AM
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  12. Looking for a Sherman Tank, Dragon #6511 View Thread - Kevin Gonzales on Aug 21, 1:34 AM
    1. possible source - ian foster on Aug 21, 4:31 AM
      1. Dragon Sherman 6511 - Kevin Gonzales on Aug 21, 9:14 AM
     
  13. LF photos of T13 B2 on display at Brussels Tank Museum View Thread - james surrat on Aug 21, 12:08 AM
    1. Poor photo conditions - Steve Zaloga on Aug 21, 3:02 PM
    2. Wheels and Tracks - simon king on Aug 21, 4:09 PM
    3. Check your mailbox ! n/t - Henri-Pierre MAS on Aug 22, 10:55 AM
    4. thank you for the photos and the line of a reference - james surratt on Aug 23, 1:41 AM
     
  14. M3 Lee/Grant census numbers View Thread - John Tapsell on Aug 20, 5:45 PM
    1. Neat-o! - Kurt Laughlin on Aug 20, 9:51 PM
      1. M3 Lees to the UK - Shane Lovell on Aug 21, 5:06 AM
        1. ALCo tanks - Kurt Laughlin on Aug 21, 7:14 PM
    2. Lovely grub John! - Dick Taylor on Aug 21, 5:10 AM
      1. Lee and Grant census numbers - Kurt Laughlin on Aug 21, 6:33 AM
        1. I saw that work - Dick Taylor on Aug 21, 10:51 AM
      2. Source - John Tapsell on Aug 21, 7:31 AM
     
  15. I'm a grandpa! View Thread - Cliff Leverette on Aug 20, 5:11 PM
    1. What a great blessing, Cliff... - JW Cesafsky on Aug 20, 6:08 PM
    2. Congratulations! - Herve Charbonneau on Aug 20, 8:56 PM
    3. congratulations! - Marko Milosevic on Aug 21, 5:46 AM
    4. Thanks for the goodwishes and warnings! - Cliff Leverette on Aug 26, 9:52 AM
    5. Congrats - Shawn Ferguson on Aug 27, 10:38 AM
     
  16. Looking for T-26E2/M45 gun mount pics View Thread - Brian Colburn on Aug 20, 4:35 PM
    1. Contact me off board. - Costas Tsaganas on Aug 20, 5:45 PM
     
  17. Next Allied & Axis release? View Thread - Brian J. Brown on Aug 20, 9:37 AM
    1. I have mine in hand from HLJ - Val Bueno on Aug 20, 11:31 AM
    2. SprueBrothers have them in stock - Steve Belanger on Aug 20, 11:44 AM
    3. Strange - Brian J. Brown on Aug 20, 7:33 PM
      1. How do you know it hasn't been mailed? - Kurt Laughlin on Aug 20, 9:21 PM
        1. China? - Brian J. Brown on Aug 20, 11:45 PM
          1. Printed overseas - Jon Feenstra on Aug 21, 10:24 AM
            1. I stand corrected. - Brian J. Brown on Aug 21, 10:59 AM
     
  18. Tabs on US 37mm gun barrel View Thread - Chris Lloyd-Staples on Aug 20, 6:22 AM
    1. There are only two - Kurt Laughlin on Aug 20, 2:02 PM
      1. Awesome - thanks Kurt - Chris Lloyd-Staples on Aug 21, 4:48 AM
        1. PE Tabs - Paul Roberts on Aug 21, 8:57 PM
          1. It's sheet, not weld build-up. - Kurt Laughlin on Aug 21, 10:48 PM
     
  19. Question on T-34/85 bow plate and glacis plate junction View Thread - Brian Colburn on Aug 20, 1:47 AM
    1. And another question - T-34/85 rounded nose fillets... - Brian Colburn on Aug 20, 3:34 PM
      1. Yar, methinks I be sailin' in unchartered waters, mateys. - Brian Colburn on Aug 21, 4:42 PM
      2. 112 Bow fillets - Mark Rethoret on Aug 21, 5:18 PM
     
  20. Universal Carrier Mk.I Interior Wall Detail Question View Thread - Mike Roof on Aug 19, 11:44 AM
    1. I Don't Know the Answer, But! - Rob Ervin on Aug 19, 4:33 PM
      1. Thanks for the complements, Rob! - Mike Roof on Aug 19, 7:51 PM
    2. its a bracket - david nickels on Aug 19, 8:04 PM
      1. Thanks David - Mike Roof on Aug 19, 8:39 PM
      2. According to the stowage diagram - it is infact for a dipstick - Tom Kaszas on Aug 19, 9:10 PM
        1. Fuel Tank Dip Stick Factory Drawings - Mike Roof on Aug 19, 9:24 PM
    3. Closing the loop - My new Dip Stick parts - Mike Roof on Aug 20, 9:35 PM
      1. much better - david nickels on Aug 22, 2:10 PM
        1. Yea, it left me scratching my head, too. N/T - Mike Roof on Aug 23, 9:45 AM
     
  21. Churchills in NW Europe color View Thread - Marc Brandes on Aug 18, 2:10 PM
    1. Re: Churchills in NW Europe color - Paul Roberts on Aug 18, 7:11 PM
      1. Thanks Paul - Marc Brandes on Aug 19, 7:10 AM
        1. At last! - Dick Taylor on Aug 19, 7:49 AM
          1. A Suggestion - Al Bowie on Aug 19, 4:59 PM
            1. Thanks for the ego-inflating comments guys - Dick Taylor on Aug 19, 6:50 PM
              1. WWII book idea... - JW Cesafsky on Aug 19, 9:34 PM
              2. WWII warpaint volume - Andrew James on Aug 21, 2:10 AM
        2. got them all - Chris Meddings on Aug 19, 8:17 AM
        3. Dick Taylor's Books - Paul Roberts on Aug 19, 10:13 AM
    2. Churchills in Russia - Bruce Probst on Aug 20, 10:16 PM
     
  22. Review - Red Army Tank Commander View Thread - James D. Gray on Aug 17, 9:17 PM
    1. Thanks for the review, - Dave Block on Aug 19, 12:19 AM
     
  23. Universal carrier Wasp IIC flamethrower - I'm looking View Thread - Ley Reynolds on Aug 17, 6:50 PM
    1. Wasp IIC - Arjan Scheerhout on Aug 18, 5:57 PM
      1. G'day Arjan - Ley Reynolds on Aug 18, 6:23 PM
     
  24. Dragon 6698 1/35 M4A3 75(W) ETO ~ Smart Kit.What were problem areas in kit? View Thread - Bob Carvo on Aug 17, 10:29 AM
    1. Transmission cover - Marc Brandes on Aug 17, 11:44 AM
     
  25. revised albums Matilda,valentine,churchillARVE View Thread - dennis Trowbridge on Aug 17, 7:39 AM
    1. Thank You Dennis, your timing is perfect... - Nicholas Perry on Aug 17, 6:14 PM
     
  26. battle dress color mix View Thread - Steven Piper on Aug 16, 3:31 PM
    1. Battledress colour - Chris Grove on Aug 16, 4:49 PM
    2. not sure of its usefulness but Vallejo makes... - david nickels on Aug 16, 5:32 PM
      1. Colour refs - pat mc cumiskey on Aug 16, 10:00 PM
    3. A guess would be... - Anderson, Merrill on Aug 16, 9:40 PM
    4. VALLEJO paint colour ref guide for British uniforms - Anthony Sewards on Aug 17, 12:05 AM
      1. Good resource Anthony - Rob Morales on Aug 18, 1:31 PM
     
  27. Brit M5 HT in camo and Sherman 75 with Houseboat fittings; and others View Thread - Andrew Tomlinson on Aug 16, 2:26 PM
    1. I suppose the 10 on the turret makes it German: - Mike Starmer on Aug 20, 4:57 PM
     
  28. Another pic of camo on late war Shermie - View Thread - Andrew Tomlinson on Aug 16, 2:11 PM
    1. 8th Armoured Brigade tank - Mike Canaday on Aug 16, 3:48 PM
     
  29. corrections to the Tamiya T-34/85 kit necessary ? View Thread - Steffen Bunge on Aug 16, 8:50 AM
    1. The Tamiya kit - Anderson, Merrill on Aug 16, 11:36 AM
      1. thats the 1/25 version nt - david nickels on Aug 16, 2:44 PM
    2. Here are some of the issues.... - Brian Colburn on Aug 16, 1:59 PM
    3. Its not a "horrible" kit - david nickels on Aug 16, 5:30 PM
      1. Depends on what you want but..... - Danny Egan on Aug 17, 7:52 AM
        1. Exactly.... - Brian Colburn on Aug 17, 11:37 AM
          1. very true but he already owns the Tamiya kit - david nickels on Aug 18, 11:18 AM
            1. That fine as long as he's willing to overlook.... - Brian Colburn on Aug 18, 4:54 PM
      2. I've seen tons of these.... - Mark Rethoret on Aug 18, 3:40 PM
        1. I wouldn't mind a copy of that article. - Brian Colburn on Aug 18, 4:55 PM
          1. Re: I wouldn't mind a copy of that article. - Mark Rethoret on Aug 18, 10:06 PM
            1. It's correct. Are you leaving the underscore intact? - Brian Colburn on Aug 19, 4:43 AM
              1. Emailed you from another account - Brian Colburn on Aug 20, 9:45 PM
    4. Gentleman, thank you all. - Steffen Bunge on Aug 18, 6:23 PM
      1. Hull - Mark Rethoret on Aug 18, 9:58 PM
        1. wonderful ! - Steffen Bunge on Aug 19, 4:18 AM
          1. Well, for an expedient correction.... - Brian Colburn on Aug 19, 5:43 AM
          2. Re: wonderful ! - Mark on Aug 19, 4:13 PM
          3. More drawings - Mark Rethoret on Aug 19, 7:16 PM
            1. That's nice Mark... - Brian Colburn on Aug 20, 12:55 AM
     
  30. Morris light reconnaissance car MkI View Thread - David Wormell on Aug 15, 3:04 PM
    1. No date but.. - Mike Starmer on Aug 20, 5:00 PM
      1. As well? - David Wormell on Aug 21, 3:19 PM
     
  31. Incredible survival story of NIH Churchill... View Thread - Andrew Tomlinson on Aug 15, 1:07 PM
    1. Hair raising indeed - Erik Jan Eskes on Aug 16, 1:46 PM
     
  32. S/African M10 in colour, 2 shades of OD. And camo'd jeep, Dozer, Diamond. All in colour. View Thread - Andrew Tomlinson on Aug 15, 12:57 PM
    1. Are they burying that Sherman or digging it out? n/t - Kevin Tucker on Aug 15, 1:09 PM
      1. It's a new game ... - Andrew Tomlinson on Aug 15, 1:27 PM
      2. Escape hatch - Owen R Auer on Aug 16, 12:31 PM
    2. Interesting Firefly - Dick Taylor on Aug 15, 1:56 PM
      1. they were in a US Corps during the Gothic Line - merlin robinson on Aug 15, 8:53 PM
     
  33. Dragon Jumbo on Hobby Link Japan site View Thread - Bob Carvo on Aug 15, 10:16 AM
    1. Don't think so, Bob... - Greg Buecchler on Aug 15, 1:22 PM
      1. Could you send me the link - Bob Carvo on Aug 15, 2:44 PM
        1. Bob, here's the link - Greg Buecchler on Aug 15, 3:33 PM
          1. Actual shop - Martin Dogger on Aug 15, 4:39 PM
            1. That's weird.... - Greg Buechler on Aug 15, 6:42 PM
    2. "Order stop" ... - Martin Dogger on Aug 15, 3:18 PM
    3. Well a friend is at the IPMS Nationals in Loveland CO - Bob Carvo on Aug 17, 9:15 AM
      1. Enjoy the Tasca Jumbo... - Greg Buechler on Aug 17, 3:48 PM
        1. Not to crazy about photo etch guards for light,etc. - Bob Carvo on Aug 18, 9:14 AM
          1. Or Shapeways... - Greg Buechler on Aug 18, 9:36 AM
     
  34. What are these US Marines wearing? View Thread - Roger Cockburn on Aug 15, 5:12 AM
    1. Please ignore - Herve Charbonneau on Aug 15, 7:05 AM
    2. Re: What are these US Marines wearing? - Robert Card on Aug 15, 8:51 AM
    3. IFF - Javier de Luelmo - Diesel on Aug 15, 9:38 AM
     
  35. Release date for Asuka Sherman Ic hybrid? View Thread - Andrew James on Aug 15, 4:16 AM
    1. If you mean TAC35028... - claude Gillono on Aug 15, 7:02 AM
      1. Yeah! that's the one. - Andrew James on Aug 15, 7:30 AM
     
  36. Looking for info on 2nd Canadian Armd Bde on D-Day View Thread - Chris Evans on Aug 14, 6:38 PM
    1. Chris drop me a line. .... - Kevin Tucker on Aug 15, 1:28 PM
    2. Re: Looking for info on 2nd Canadian Armd Bde on D-Day - Jack Geratic on Aug 15, 3:28 PM
      1. I was able to get some info from that book - Chris Evans on Aug 15, 5:53 PM
    3. Re: Looking for info on 2nd Canadian Armd Bde on D-Day - John McGillivray on Aug 17, 10:07 AM
      1. Thanks, and more info - Chris Evans on Aug 17, 1:06 PM
     
  37. Riich British Weapons Set x2 View Thread - Stephen Lord on Aug 14, 5:11 AM
    1. Very Welcome indeed - Al Bowie on Aug 14, 5:05 PM
    2. Woot Woot! - Chris Evans on Aug 14, 6:39 PM
     
  38. Hobbyboss T-37A test shots View Thread - Scott Dimmick on Aug 13, 8:32 AM
    1. new T-37 kit - Theo Braat on Aug 13, 12:06 PM
     
  39. Bofors 37mm Armo barrel View Thread - Jan Como on Aug 12, 6:14 PM
    1. Bofors - Erik Ahlström on Aug 13, 8:10 AM
     
  40. GBM #105 in North America? View Thread - Dave Hansen on Aug 12, 12:30 PM
    1. 14 Aug 13 - Steve Zaloga on Aug 14, 12:39 PM
      1. Re: 14 Aug 13 - Dave Hansen on Aug 14, 11:18 PM
     
  41. British Antenna color? View Thread - Scott Dimmick on Aug 11, 9:28 PM
    1. Antenna Colour - Anthony Sewards on Aug 12, 9:43 AM
    2. Blue? - David Wormell on Aug 12, 7:01 PM
    3. Suggestions (no more than that!) - Dick Taylor on Aug 13, 5:30 AM
      1. Re: Suggestions (no more than that!) - Rod Thorsen on Aug 18, 2:14 AM
     
  42. Tamiya Jumbo tweeks View Thread - George Proulx on Aug 11, 7:08 PM
    1. Re: Tamiya Jumbo tweeks - Mark Rethoret on Aug 11, 8:03 PM
      1. Thanks Mark and Merril - George Proulx on Aug 11, 11:59 PM
        1. Mission creep - roy chow on Aug 12, 2:16 AM
          1. Re: Mission creep - Mark Rethoret on Aug 12, 3:10 PM
          2. Re: Mission creep - George Proulx on Aug 13, 5:18 AM
    2. Jumbos - Anderson, Merrill on Aug 11, 10:15 PM
    3. what it looks like OOTB - david nickels on Aug 12, 8:01 AM
      1. Blasphemy David...LOL Nice job...n/t - Ken Daigle on Aug 12, 10:26 AM
      2. Hey! it's nice! - Mike Canaday on Aug 13, 9:04 PM
     
  43. Cleaning up Shapeways Sherman lightguards? View Thread - Greg Buechler on Aug 11, 7:00 PM
    1. suggestion - Niels Henkemans on Aug 11, 7:25 PM
    2. thin razor saw - Mike Canaday on Aug 11, 11:53 PM
      1. Thanks for the suggestions, guys... - Greg Buechler on Aug 12, 11:31 AM
    3. my thought - Jim Hockett on Aug 12, 1:08 PM
      1. Let me know how that works out, Jim - Greg Buechler on Aug 12, 3:01 PM
    4. What about - Owen R Auer on Aug 12, 10:53 PM
    5. A couple of ideas - John Eckhardt on Aug 13, 3:05 PM
     
  44. Anyone make a seated Soviet driver wearing a greatcoat? View Thread - Michael Karnowka on Aug 11, 4:32 PM
    1. Soviet driver - Patrice DEBUCQUOY on Aug 13, 5:48 AM
      1. Thanks Patrice - Michael Karnowka on Aug 13, 9:47 AM
     
  45. stroage boxed on Matilida fenders View Thread - Charles Matthews on Aug 11, 1:12 PM
    1. Re: stroage boxed on Matilida fenders - Costas Tsaganas on Aug 11, 4:16 PM
      1. Good Stuff Costas. Thanks!!! n/t - Charles Matthews on Aug 12, 5:57 PM
        1. You are welcome and... - Costas Tsaganas on Aug 12, 9:09 PM
     
  46. LF Lion Roar T-34/85 instructions needed View Thread - Rob Gronovius on Aug 11, 2:38 AM
    1. Email me if you haven't found them - Bob Muckley on Aug 12, 8:09 PM
      1. email sent - Rob Gronovius on Aug 13, 1:03 AM
     
  47. AVRE in whitewash? View Thread - Marc Brandes on Aug 10, 12:23 PM
    1. Not much help but... - Roger Cockburn on Aug 12, 4:37 AM
     
  48. colour engine + gearbox SU-76M View Thread - Arjan Scheerhout on Aug 10, 12:00 PM
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  50. Free French Artillery 1942 View Thread - David Wormell on Aug 10, 7:01 AM
    1. Plain sand, if a preserved gun is any indication. - Costas Tsaganas on Aug 10, 11:03 AM
      1. Interesting - David Wormell on Aug 10, 11:09 AM
        1. Coulors - Erik Ahlström on Aug 10, 2:56 PM
        2. Re: Interesting - Costas Tsaganas on Aug 10, 7:25 PM
          1. Re: Interesting - David Wormell on Aug 10, 7:51 PM
            1. Re: Interesting - Costas Tsaganas on Aug 11, 7:19 AM
    2. 2 types of '75' - claude Gillono on Aug 12, 5:21 AM
      1. Same? - David Wormell on Aug 12, 6:59 PM
        1. yes - claude Gillono on Aug 13, 12:38 AM
     
  51. Any pictures of the interior of the M33? View Thread - Cliff Leverette on Aug 9, 12:22 PM
    1. Re: Any pictures of the interior of the M33? - Costas Tsaganas on Aug 9, 2:17 PM
     
  52. Long Tom and M 40 gun tube View Thread - Peter Schweisthal on Aug 9, 11:57 AM
    1. Maybe you could ask... - Niels Henkemans on Aug 9, 12:19 PM
    2. long Tom - Michael Kalbfleisch on Aug 10, 9:02 AM
      1. test shots pics - Pawel ''Vodnik'' Krupowicz on Aug 10, 11:58 AM
     
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