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British use of the LVT (aka "Buffalo")

August 31 2011 at 8:00 PM
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Hi there all

In excited anticipation* of the availability of the new AFV Club LVT-4, I've been doing a little research into the use of the LVT/Buffalo by British forces. I thought I'd post here what I think I've found, in the hope that any of you out there might be able to correct any errors or add further information.

It would appear that, at the time of the Walcheren landings, the 79th Armd Div had two units operating Buffaloes - the 5th Armoured Regiment, Royal Engineers (5 ARRE) and the 11th Royal Tank Regiment (11 RTR, which had transferred from the 1st Tank Brigade in October 1944). The Arm-of-Service (AoS) sign for 5 ARRE was "1233" on a cobalt blue square, and the AoS for 11 RTR was "67" on a red square. I don't know about 5 ARRE, but the squadron markings for 11 RTR appear to have been painted in red, and 11 RTR vehicle names began with "S".

When the 33rd Armd Bde was incorporated into the 79th Armd Div in January 1945, 11 RTR was transferred to that Brigade which then specialised in the operation of LVTs. The 33rd Armd Bde composition for the Rhine crossing was:

1st Northants Yeomanry - AoS "51" on red square. Sqn markings may be in red
East Riding Yeomanry - AoS "52" on red square. Sqn markings may be in yellow
4 RTR - AoS "53" on red square. Sqn markings may be in blue
11 RTR - AoS "54" on red square. Sqn markings appear to be in white

I'm not sure, but 5 ARRE may have been back in AVREs by the time of the Rhine crossing.

I've been looking at as many photos of British-operated LVTs as I can find, and have listed below the details I've managed to collate. Disappointingly, I've not found many identifiable LVT-2s, tho there are a few pics of these vehicles out there. One intriguing point regarding the AFV Club kit is that the driver's cab roof has the offset hatches (the co-driver's hatch being positioned back by a few inches), whereas for most of the observed British-operated vehicles the hatches were positioned level with each other. Perhaps this represents an earlier configuration of cab roof.

LVT-2
Stallion A Sqn 11 RTR (AoS "54") 5822198 (BP 1994.06, 1173.06)

"2D" 5822041 Polsten (has large windows) (BP 1173.06)

5822034 (has large windows) (GI 3275909, 50625360)

LVT-4
Skunk "1" A Sqn "18" 11 RTR Polsten (BBWO2 74889)

Sh1te Hawk 4Tp A Sqn "4F" (AoS "67") 11RTR (BBZ 66476-7, 66480, 107585-6) **Replace the "1" in the name with "i"! Naughty! happy.gif**

Sable 1Tp A Sqn "1C" 11RTR (BBZ 66456-60, 66469, 66482)

Sevenoaks 3 Tp C Sqn "22" (AoS "67") 11 RTR 5877340 Polsten (BP 2115.01; left-hand side p.15 Concord "British Tanks in WW2" Vol.2; right-hand side p.38 Battleground Europe: Walcheren)

Southwark 1 Tp C Sqn "1B" (AoS "54") 11 RTR P346438 (Hodges)

Southport 1 Tp C Sqn "1C" 11 RTR (Hodges)

Sphinx "4E" ambulance 11 RTR (BBZ 4236)

Sandpiper 11 RTR (BP 1145.04,05)

Salisbury 4 Tp C Sqn "21" 11 RTR (BP 1368.05)

Sandfly 4Tp A Sqn "4A" 11 RTR Polsten (BP 1969.09)

Skylark 11 RTR (BP 1368.05)

Shrewsbury 5 Tp C Sqn "27" (AoS "67") 11 RTR (BP 1368.05)

Swallow 4Tp A Sqn "4B" 11 RTR Polsten (BP 1368.05; p.191 IWM Victory in Europe)

Selby 3Tp C Sqn "3B" (AoS "54") 11 RTR (BP 2115.01)

Steendorp 3 Tp C Sqn "3" 11 RTR (BP 2115.01)

Stockbridge 3 Tp C Sqn "3E" 11 RTR 5822*** Polsten (BP 2115.01)

Slough 5Tp C Sqn "29" (AoS "67") 11 RTR (BBZ 66906)

Scipio 5Tp A Sqn "5A" (AoS "67") 11 RTR ("Scipio Africanus" on rear ramp) (BBZ 66584, 66588)

Spider 3Tp A Sqn "3D" 11 RTR (BBZ 66484)

Socrates A Sqn "F" (looks like "5F") 11 RTR 5877209 Polsten (AoS square but no number) (BBZ 66479, 66483, 66909)

Stallion A Sqn 11 RTR (AoS "67") (BBZ 66473)

Scarborough 3Tp C Sqn "14" 11 RTR

Skylark "B" 11 RTR (BP 1368.19)

Skegness 4Tp C Sqn (AoS "54") 11 RTR (GI 73748395)

Scylla 5Tp A Sqn "B5" (might have AoS "54") 11 RTR Polsten (BP 1976.02)

Stafford C Sqn 11RTR (Hodges)

Swashbuckler 11 RTR (BP 2048.09)

Swansea C Sqn "2E" 11 RTR

Stoat A Sqn 11 RTR

Swift

Buron P-5822109

Beauville

Cutter C Sqn "3F" (Pub Rec CA 136754, 136823)

Carack (Pub Rec CA 137233)

Bedouin (5 ARRE) (BP 1368.19)

P5822*15 "2D" (AoS "1233") 5 ARRE (BP 1368.19)

P5822254 (GI 73748405)

P345209 X Sqn, Italy (Concord US Amphibians)

P346311 X Sqn, Italy (Concord US Amphibians)

P346230 carpet layer 79th Armd Div (Concord US Amphibians)

P5877*** 11 RTR (BP 2048.09)

P342570 has hull MG and extra viewports (BBWO2 72326)


LVT type unknown

Swan "1C" 11 RTR (British Tank Markings & Names)

Salamander "3B" 11 RTR (British Tank Markings & Names)

Squirrel "4A" 11 RTR (British Tank Markings & Names)

Stork "4C" 11 RTR (British Tank Markings & Names)

Sheldrake "4E" 11 RTR (British Tank Markings & Names)


Image source code
BP = British Pathe
BBZ = Beeldbank Zeeuwsebibliotheek
BBWO2 = Beeldbank WO2
Pub Rec CA = Public Records of Canada
GI = Getty Images

* actually, mine arrived in the post yesterday morning. Spectacular kit!

Best regards

Mike
(Canberra, Australia)

 
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Great stuff, thank you for taking the time.

September 1 2011, 2:52 AM 

far more extensive use by the Brits that I realised!


Kylie
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buffalo

September 1 2011, 4:28 AM 

hi Mike

just a little bit more information for you .

77 Assault Squadron converted to buffalo just after the break out after the battle of Caen they were the first squadron and were in that role at the end of the war.

other Assault Squadrons like 82 , 81 79 assault squadron converted for the advance on shedlt and then converted back for the rhine crossing.

example
My farther was in 82 assault Squadron . converted to buffalos and Terrapins . was on walchern island and syoas platt. and was driving AVRE on the Rhine crossing with a fascine on it.
he told me and it is common still that the commander, W/o and driver stayed together as a crew so in that case they normally took there vehicle names ie my dads callsign was 2/f and life guard.

my dad use to talk about the Canadians in the back of his buffalo and that on return trips back to the lvt was full of POWs and always had the smallest Canadian guarding them it did make him laugh.


last buffalo in service i believe was late 60s at a trials establishment.




hope it helps
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Thanks, Ossie!

September 1 2011, 10:35 AM 

Thanks kindly for sharing the extra information, Ossie. I hadn't been able to get a good handle on the Assault Squadrons and their use of the Buffalo, so you've given me a great start on further avenues for digging. Very interesting, and much appreciated!

Best regards

Mike

 
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Re: British use of the LVT (aka "Buffalo")

September 1 2011, 4:42 AM 

Hi Mike,

Check you email I forward on some more data.

Have fun.

Al

 
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RMASG postwar

September 1 2011, 5:10 AM 

The Royal Marine Armoured Support Group used the LVT4 postwar alongside LVTAs, disbanding in 1947 or 1948 I seem to recall. Some of these poswar LVTs had rockets and flamethrowers fitted. I imagine it was the remaining vehicles from this unit used at Suez in 1956?
Does anyone know what the markings for the RMASG would have been?

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RMASG in 1947 - Flame throwing Buffalo

September 2 2011, 6:43 AM 

Hi. I found this little movie on Pathe, from 1947.
They seems to have the same flash as their Centaurs had in Normandie.
http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=13781

Johan Lexell


    
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Thanks, Alan!

September 1 2011, 10:24 AM 

Hi there Al!

Thanks kindly for sharing the extra data! I've had a quick look at the files, and they seem to contain lots of juicy detail - I'll look forward to having a thorough look through it in the coming days

Thanks and best regards

Mike

 
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This is so timely you can't imagine

September 1 2011, 5:13 AM 

Thanks sooo much Mike, this is very very timely for me. In fact I looged on here this morning to ask this very thing!

Most of the way through correcting and upgunning the Italeri kit (based on Bruce's MM article) and was just starting to think about markingshttp://www.militarymodelling.com/forums/postings.asp?th=54362&p=1

Many thanks indeed happy.gif

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Re: This is so timely you can't imagine

September 1 2011, 5:21 AM 

Ditto on the email Chris.

Al

 
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Great stuff

September 1 2011, 6:07 AM 

Many thanks Mike - I've now bookmarked this thread for when I start on an 11 RTR LVT4. happy.gif

So I take it that Armoured Acorn's 79 Armd Div AOS allocation is wrong then?
http://www.armouredacorn.com/Reference/BAM/79th%20Armd%20Div%20-%20complete.pdf

 
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Re: Great stuff

September 1 2011, 10:31 AM 

Hi there Ken!

In all honesty, I couldn't claim that Armoured Acorn's 79 Armd Div AOS allocation is wrong - it is very possible I misunderstood what I was seeing/reading.

I didn't find that AoS allocation list when I was doing my initial searching, however, so I'm grateful you shared the link! Not only is it a fascinating document in itself, but it's given me good impetus for further digging. Thanks kindly!

Best regards

Mike

 
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No problem

September 1 2011, 11:22 AM 

I'm glad the link was useful for you. happy.gif

I expect 4RTR would have actually carried the AOS 55 - for two reasons: They were only recently formed from 144 RAC (so would have probably been percieved as the most junior of all) and 53 was already allocated to the flail regt, Westminster Dragoons, Jan - May '45.

 
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4RTR

September 1 2011, 8:23 PM 

That's an interesting suggestion re 4RTR, Ken. My understanding was that 144RAC had been renamed 4RTR, but still would have been entitled to seniority over 11RTR. I'll dig further on that one

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Mike

 
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Sh1te Hawk

September 1 2011, 8:39 AM 

"Sh1te Hawk" (with the i) seems to be a slang term for sea gull, though according to Dad (in the Middle East post war) it was a general term for any large scavenging bird, especially those picking over rubbish tips.

My point is that it's not really as naughty as you might suppose.

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Thanks, John,...

September 1 2011, 10:40 AM 

... for confirming the meaning of the name! It was my impression, as an outsider, that in UK use the term "Sh1te" isn't necessarily considered that offensive - it interested/amused me it was actually used for a vehicle name

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Thanks for not saying I was talking 'Sh1te' ;-) n/t

September 1 2011, 11:46 AM 

Apologies for any offence

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Wait 'til you find out what 'fanny' means

September 1 2011, 1:19 PM 

over 'ome, LOL. Great thread btw, one of my favourite vehicles. The recently released 'Canadian Army Newsreel' series has some nice LVT video in the 'Battle of the Scheldt' reports. No affiliation, just an admirer.
Cheers, Dave

 
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It means...

September 1 2011, 8:26 PM 

I do enjoy some of the big differences in meanings between US and UK/Aussie English for the same words. Your example is a very good case in point!

Thanks for the tip re the "Canadian Army Newsreel" series, I'll look into obtaining them

Best regards

Mike

 
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Prodigious work -- thanks for sharing

September 1 2011, 10:26 AM 

I (think I) know that LVT's were used in the Po River crossings in Italy. I wonder if a comparable source of information exists for that campaign. I have the series of MilMod articles on Buffalo conversions and adaptations. There was also an excellent series in Steel Masters for you Francophones.

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One question on LVT markings...

September 1 2011, 10:43 AM 

does anyone know the significance of the blue-and-white "chequered" pennant marking painted on some vehicles? Troop or Squadron leader's vehicle, perhaps?

Thanks and best regards

Mike

 
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A few adders to your great list

September 1 2011, 12:03 PM 

Excellent list with lots of references, Michael!

Below are a few addictions/corrections (in bold characters) to your list:

LVT-2

"2A" 5822019 (LIFEhttp://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=a9e497ae615a439eX - remove last "X" in link)
"2B" (LIFEhttp://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=a0e22c2a63efe94aX - remove last "X" in link)

LVT-4

Bedouin (5 ARRE) (not BP 1368.19 but 1368.09.110-1, on board LCT 980 at Westkapelle)
Sable 1Tp A Sqn "1C" 11 RTR (BBZ 66456-60, 66469, 66482, BP 1983.08.138-144)
Sphinx 4Tp A Sqn "4E" ambulance maybe not 11 RTR, as it is listed as 26 ASRE (Amph) on Landing Table (BBZ 4236, IWM B11626, B11646, B11647)
Sandpiper 2Tp A Sqn "2C" 11 RTR (BP 1145.05.32-40)
Socrates A Sqn "F" (looks like "5F") 11 RTR 5877209 Polsten (AoS square but no number - "5" of AoS "54" just barely visible on BBZ 66483) (BBZ 66479, 66483, 66909)
Scarborough 3Tp C Sqn (AoS "67") "14" 11 RTR (BBZ 32517-8)
Scipio 5Tp A Sqn "5A" (AoS "67") 11 RTR ("Scipio Africanus" on rear ramp) (not BBZ 66584, 66588 but 107584-6, 107588)
Sh1te Hawk 4Tp A Sqn "4F" (AoS "67") 11 RTR (BBZ 66476-7, 66480, 107585-6, 66455)
Skylark "2B" 11 RTR (not BP 1368.19 but 1368.09.20-23)
Slough (P5877367 maybe) 5Tp C Sqn "29" (AoS "67") 11 RTR (not BBZ 66906 but 62906)
Stoat "1B" (USA9135667 maybe) A Sqn 11 RTR (BBZ 66472)
Swallow 4Tp A Sqn "4B" maybe not 11 RTR, as it is listed as 26 ASRE (Amph) on Landing Table Polsten (BP 1368.05.128-131; p.191 IWM Victory in Europe)
"1E" (AoS "1233"=5 ARRE) P3462*5 (BP 1994.07.50-51)
"4B" (AoS "1233"=5 ARRE) P346*** (BP 1994.07.56-61)
"2A" (AoS "1233"=5 ARRE) (BP 1994.07.82-94)
Sheffield "1C" (AoS "1233"=5 ARRE) Polsten (BP 1994.07.122-125)
"2B" (AoS "1233"=5 ARRE) (BP 1994.07.122)
Rouvres "2A" "32" Polsten (BBZ 32537)
2F (AoS "1233"=5 ARRE) (BBZ 32516)
Corvette "3D" (AoS maybe "1234"=6 ARRE) P5822231 Polsten (BBZ 52955, 52956)
"B12" (USA9138120 maybe) (BP 2115.01.666-672)
"2C" (AoS "1234"=6 ARRE) B Sqn=82 ASRE (Amph) P58222*45 (CP 65675077004_004462, on board LCT 980 at Westkapelle)
"2D" (AoS "1234"=6 ARRE) B Sqn=82 ASRE (Amph) P58222*45 (CP 65675077004_004692, on board LCT 980 at Westkapelle)


CP = Critical Past


Some of the various mentions of "11 RTR" in the list may be incorrect, unless the AoS "67" (white over brown square) or "54" (white over red square) , or even "122" (white over green square) is visible.

During Operation Infatuate II, 11 RTR completed the strength of the Amphibious Assault Sqn RE as follows:

5 ARRE (AoS = 1233):
A Sqn = 26 Aslt Sqn RE 21 LVTs (incl 5 of 11 R Tks)
B Sqn = 77 Aslt Sqn RE 20 LVTs
C Sqn = 79 Aslt Sqn RE 23 LVTs (incl 9 of 11 R Tks)
D Sqn = 80 Aslt Sqn RE 20 LVTs (2 of 11 R Tks)

6 ARRE (AoS = 1234):
B Sqn = 82 Aslt Sqn RE 20 LVTs (incl 1 of 11 R Tks)


Michel


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Wow!

September 1 2011, 8:28 PM 

Hi there Michel!

Thanks kindly for the corrections (a few note transcription errors from me in there I see sad.gif ), and the extra information from films and the landing tables. That's helped me get more of a handle on the ARREs and their use of the LVT, which I had been sorely lacking

Those couple of pics of Corvette on BBZ are particularly nice, plus I'll be aiming to buy copies of those three IWM photos of Sphinx, as I do like the thought of modelling an ambulance LVT-4.

Thanks and best regards

Mike

 
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Wonderful times ahead for a LVT-addict like me!

September 1 2011, 4:09 PM 

Thank you everybody here for all the wonderful and valuable information!

Although I don't think, I'll finally build my British Rhine-Crossing Buffaloe, I'll surely get me one of those new AFV Buffaloes - because you never know!

For all the funny variants of the 79th AD's Buffaloes, I highly recommend the Division's "Final Report" (July 1945) where there are detailed and measured drawings for field workshops of e.g. how to mount a Polsten Gun or support rails for the carpet layer LVT's etc.!
I also recommend Geoffrey W. Futter's "The Funnies - The 79th Armoured Division and its specialised equipment (1974)".

I am looking foreward to the first build-reports and build-reviews of the new AFV Buffaloe - and maybe some other versions, like the LVT 2.

Thanx for listening!
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A few more

September 1 2011, 4:27 PM 

A few more names

LVT 4
Corvette. P5822231 Polsten. Beeldbank 52955
Serapis A Sqn 11RTR
Sailor. Pathe 1983.12
Argosy 2C, Cutter 2H, Rouvres 2A, Sheffield polsten C Sqn 1C and Esquay 1A all
77 Assault Sqn, 5 ARRE AoS 1233

Some add ons
Sphinx A Sqn
Sandpiper 2C
Skylark polsten
Selby P5477343
Slough P5877367

Cheers
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Thanks kindly for the additional names and details, Kevin!

September 1 2011, 8:26 PM 

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Sheffield

September 2 2011, 11:18 AM 

Hello Kevin,

Thanks for your additions. You're right, Corvette must be P5822231, not P5322231 as I first worte. I've edited my post above accordingly.

As for Sheffield Polsten 1C C Sqn, surely it must be 79 ASRE (C Sqn) and not 77 (B Sqn)?

Kind regards,

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Sheffield

September 2 2011, 1:36 PM 

Hi Michel,

Sheffield can be found on the British Pathe site under film reference 1994.07
The AoS is certainly 1233 and the 79th Armoured Div sign is visible. But I have just had a quick check in Hodges / Taylor "British Military Markings" and I see 5 AR, 26, 77 and 79 AS all carried 1233. So how do you tell which is which?
I have attached 2 stills but check the BP site there are some other good vehicle names shown.

I put it down as C Sqn not B Sqn anyway I think.

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RE Squadron numbering

September 2 2011, 6:41 PM 

Assault Regiments RE apparently used the same system of numbering/marking their constituent squadrons as the other armoured formations. Same goes for 1st Assault Brigade RE, although with specific AoS numbers (as for many "independent" or "special" brigades).

On D-Day and for some time afterwards 1 Assault Brigade RE included:
1 Aslt Bde HQ - AoS "1222"
5 Aslt Regt RE - AoS "1233"
6 Aslt Regt RE - AoS "1234"
42 Aslt Regt RE - AoS "1235"

Each Aslt Regt RE consisted of a regimental HQ and four squadrons, identified by their respective geometric symbol.

5 ARRE was made of:
RHQ - symbol=losange
26 ASRE = "1st" or "A" Sqn - delta
77 ASRE = "2nd" or "B" Sqn - square
79 ASRE = "3rd" or "C" Sqn - circle
80 ASRE = "4th" or "D" Sqn - full rectangle

Incidentally, this squadron "numbering" or rather "lettering" system could explain why AVRE of 77 ASRE had names starting with "B" (Bulldog, Barbarian...) and those of 79 ASRE started with "C" (Cheetah...), although this practice did not extend to the other squadrons (no name for 26 ASRE, and no known names for 80 ASRE).

Vehicles of 5 ARRE would therefore have all sported the regimental AoS "1233", plus the relevant squadron symbol.
Being the first or "senior" regiment in the brigade, the squadron symbols on 1 ASRE vehicles should have been red.

It seems however that the full set of markings was not carried by all AVRE, but more so by LVT when some squadrons became "amphibious". The symbol sometimes enclosed the Troop number, even the Troop number & Vehicle letter (callsign).

Examples: both LVT-4 "4B" SWALLOW & "4E" SPHINX which landed from LCT 1109 at Westkapelle show a dark triangle:
[linked image]

[linked image]

[linked image]

Also LVT "2A", "2D", "2E" landing from LCT 979 (see crops from IWM A_026271 below). Unfortunately stanchions obscure part of the markings, but from the Landing Tables we know that all LVT on board are from 26 ASRE, plus no vehicle of the other "A" squadrons in the brigade participated in the operation, so it must be 26 ASRE, thus 5 ARRE and AoS="1233". As for the vehicle callsign, fortunately it's repeated in full within the squadron symbol (triangle), so we know it's an "E" (of a specific shape) and not a "B":
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[linked image]

We can see it's the same LVT-4 "2E" loaded port aft of LCT 979 as pictured in Ostend here (click on "click here to begin the exhibition", then on the 3rd pic from right, then on the photo for full-size):
http://www.royalmarinesmuseum.co.uk/walcheren-exhibition
The WD number reads something like P5822**6

See also "2F" AoS "1233" A Sqn=26 ASRE in BBZ 32516.

Same applies to 6 ARRE:
RHQ - losange
81 ASRE = "1st" or "A" Sqn - delta
82 ASRE = "2nd" or "B" Sqn - square
87 ASRE = "3rd" or "C" Sqn - circle
284 ASRE = "4th" or "D" Sqn - full rectangle

Being the second regiment in the brigade, symbols should have been yellow. This seems to be confirmed by their lighter shade on the photos.

Example:
"2D" (AoS "1234"=6 ARRE) B Sqn=82 ASRE (Amph) P58222*45 (CP 65675077004_004692, on board LCT 980 at Westkapelle):
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Note that one of the LVT on LCT 980, all identified as 82 ASRE, has the name BEDOUIN, which again fits with the squadron letter "B". Maybe it's just a coincidence. If not, we could assume that the LVT with names starting with "S" might be the ones coming from 11 RTR?

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Doh!!!!!!!!

September 3 2011, 3:21 AM 

Michel,

Thanks for clarifying that.
Please excuse me for missing the b****ing obvious. For some reason I never associated them as A, B, C squadrons.

You mention Bulldog, Barbarian etc. I have these names on Churchill AVRE's do you have evidence that these names were transfered to the LVT's too?

I have a bit of a blurry photo of an LVT 2 named "SNIPE" on a trailer towed by a Diamond T.
On the rear of the LVT is a large outlined "R"

Drop me a direct email if you want a copy.

Thanks again for the updates.

Cheers
Kevin

 
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AVRE/LVT names

September 3 2011, 7:51 AM 

No problem Kevin! Missing the obvious happens to me all the time, plus what's apparently obvious is often wrong...

As for Bulldog, Barbarian etc., I did mention them as being AVRE names. No, I have no evidence they might have been LVT names as well. But Bedouin is the name of a LVT belonging to one "B" Sqn (82 ASRE), so there still might be some system being used here.

I don't think I've seen the photo of 'SNIPE' with the large "R" that you mention. This must be "R" Sqn in Italy, as explained in Steve Zaloga and George Balin's Concord 7032 'US Amtracs and Amphibians' pages 41-42. The caption of the first photo, showing an LVT-4 with a large "W" on its ramp, reads: "...the special RASC Regiment, formed from tank drivers of the 27th lancers and transportation units. The W on the rear indicates W Squadron, one of six squadrons in the unit."
(...)
"X Squadron had 16 Fantails with 25 pdrs. Three of the Squadrons (W, Y, Z) were troop carrying squadrons each with 38 amtracs. S Squadron was the technical support squadron and R Squadron was the HQ."

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Agreed, thanks so much for another very informative post!

September 3 2011, 8:01 AM 

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CARACK?

September 3 2011, 8:19 AM 

I have seen a small photo of this where the name is not clear and I have often wondered if it is actually CANUCK.
Can anyone confirm either way.


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Kevin

 
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