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(Login gary.binder) Missing-Lynx members from IP address 198.203.245.8
I see that Monogram/Revell is rereleasing the old UDT team with boat in 1/35th scale. Isn't this boat an LCP or LCP(R) as used at Guadalcanal? Just an idle question, but it MIGHT make an interesting item with some early USMC figures.
(Login easy1prod) Missing-Lynx members 24.231.131.30
Source on this?
June 7 2012, 9:35 PM
Alan,
It's not that I doubt you. I believe I read this, too, somewhere and have been looking a long time for that source. My main question is in what capacity were they used?
(Login 48gunny) Missing-Lynx members 24.113.124.19
Re: Source on this?
June 7 2012, 10:12 PM
Mike, Both the 36'-8" LCP(L) and the 36'-6" LCP(R) were used during the Guadalcanal, Gavutu and Florida Island landings. a few of the newer LCVPs were used as well but to a lesser extent. The 'Tank Lighters' LCM(1) and LCM(2) were also used at that time. After Guadalcanal most of those boats were replaced by the Higgins LCVPs and the LCM(3)s. However, many of the APAs and AKAs still carried a couple of the LCP(L)s and used them for landing craft support duties. The actor Eddie Albert was in an LCP(L) at Tarawa when he earned a Bronze Star for running up to the reef to rescue wounded Marines in addition to other acts he performed during the battle.
George
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(Login PJMooney) Missing-Lynx members 108.28.101.142
Eddie Albert at Tarawa
June 7 2012, 10:29 PM
George,
Good info on Eddie Albert, though he received the Bronze Star with Combat V for rescuing stranded Marines from damaged LVTs and Higgins Boats from the waters around Tarawa (Betio).
Assault Force S
704th LCP (L) Flotilla: LCP (L) 21 (others)
707th LCP (L) Flotilla: LCP (L) 286 (others)
Group I
2 LCP (L)
Smokescreen, Dispatch Boats and Rescue: (3 LCP (L)) one failed to arrive in time
FOO for SP Regiments: (3 LCP (L)) one failed to arrive in time
Richard Anderson
Cracking Hitler's Atlantic Wall
Hitler's Last Gamble (with Trevor Dupuy and David Bongard)
Artillery Hell (with Curt Johnson)
I built it based on data I got from the internet and the crew on Shipwrights There was a photo of one at the time. I will check and see if I still have any data or the link, but it was a few years ago now.
(Login easy1prod) Missing-Lynx members 24.231.131.30
Specifically, Use of LCP(R) on D-Day
June 8 2012, 9:22 AM
Sorry all, I should have been more specific. I'm really looking for usage in Normandy on D-Day. I'll even settle for other usage in NWE before D-Day. Or as last resort, were they used in N. Africa or Italy?
I have pics of them in use during the landings in Oran and in NWE in the Torch Landings in August. You can reference these on IWM site.
The original link I had no longer works so I haven't yet tracked down the original reference I used. Sorry it's more than 5 year now but I have in my mind one bobbing around in front of a mother ship and I'm pretty sure that's where the armoured project got started, that and several conversations about some of them being armoured up for D day.
(Login easy1prod) Missing-Lynx members 24.231.131.30
Preferences
June 8 2012, 2:55 PM
Alan,
I'd prefer to build US, but with the new Vosper initiating some British crew figures in heavy weather gear I may even get around to my LCA with US Rangers.
I saw one this evening in the opening part of Chapter 13 of the World at War.
If you're thinking LCA and Rangers check out Pathe News there is some excellent footage of the LCAs loaded with Americans there.
I did suggest to Italeria that a new LCA would be very welcome !
In one of those links I posted there is an account of 12 LCP (R) being used in the Autumn Landings so they were still around in 44 be it all in smaller numbers and a lot of the Assault ships list at least 1 LCP (L) in the boats section.
Cheers
Al
Hi Mike,
You'll see the front end of one here landing in SOuthern Europe
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(Login easy1prod) Missing-Lynx members 24.231.131.30
Interesting
June 9 2012, 9:13 PM
It looks like there is some kind of superstructure has been added above the deck, as if the gunwales have been built up.
Location by geography of the previous clips, seems to be Southern France during Dragoon. I had alway thought the weather to have been clear and sunny, but apparently it was cloudy and foggy early that morning.
It would make sense that Dragoon would have LCPs, as they would have been left over from earlier landings in the Med. But why not in Normandy? I have always been under the impression that landing craft of all types were in short supply.
These look like LPC (R) to me. If you look at the last boat as it passes and rises on the wave that looks like a ramp to me? The camo would make me think these are RN Boats?
They seem to have added canvas sides for added protection from the water and smoke pots on the stern. In one of those links I posted it mentioned 12 LCP (R) as being deployed in the Southern landings and there is also a specific picture of the front end of an LCP (R) moored up by a pier.
The other reason for my thinking these are LCP (R) is that disembarkation for the LCP (L) was by jumping over the side, so the added canvas would make this much harder? The smoke pots are a common RN feature I don't know if the USN used them?
Perhaps it is just wishful thinking on my part. The copywight logo is unfortunately right over the boat in the stills.
(Login easy1prod) Missing-Lynx members 24.231.131.30
Hmmm!
June 10 2012, 9:08 PM
Again leaving us with more questions than answers. Are they marked as British craft? If so, I was unaware that any participated with the landing on Utah, many on Omaha, yes. If on the 5th of June, did they sail under their own power all the way across the channel? Must have had cast-iron stomachs!
I knew that a version of the (L)s were built as support craft,
LCS(S). but was unaware of the conversion of (R)s. Location, again? Either post-D-Day or the Med. Strike that, APA-46 was an attack transport in the Pacific, USS Knox. Oddly enough I went to college in one of the counties it was named for.
Do you have a copy of the ONI reprint on Landing Craft?
Yes, more questions than answers. It's the camo scheme on the boats and the smoke pots make me think they are RN manned, it's typical of the RN during that time. However, like you I alwasy though Utah was a purely American affair.
I don't have a copy of the ONI. I can always ask Kenny if he had a reference pic for his LCC, can't honestly remember now although I followed the build at the time.
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