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(Login algonpegut) Missing-Lynx members from IP address 184.108.40.206
I am now working in Bronco´s A13 cruiser Mk IV A ,kit CB 35029.I´m trying to build a BEF tank.I have used European air round filters ends and short rear mudguards skirts.Colours will be G3 and G4,but I need to know if bronco´s decals are accurrate or not.Specially the round yellow circles with "10" inside.I know that the bridging sign,the formation 10,the 1st AD rhinoceros and even maybe the embarkation stripes ( supposing that the 5th RTR wore the number 0025) are right,but I´m not sure about the yellow circles because I,ve read ( Blitzkrieg Armour Camouflage and Markings,1939-1940 by Steven Zaloga,Arm and Armour Press,page 94)that the 5th RTR used purple for the markings.The name Edgeworth maybe right for this regiment too.
Thanks in advance
(Login ajnlang) Missing-Lynx members 220.127.116.11
5th RTR in France
August 17 2012, 6:44 AM
I'm not an expert on BEF armour, but I do have a couple of observations.
1. The excellent database of British vehicle names generously offered to Missing Lynx by MMP books lists 'Edgeworth' as a tank name for 5th RTR, but on a tank in the desert. It isn't impossible that this tank previously served in France as a few 5th RTR tanks were recovered to the UK - but I would think it unlikely. In addition, scrutiny of the photos available to me suggests that there is little or no evidence of 5th RTR using vehicle names in France.
2. I am not sure that the tactical insignia for 5th RTR were in yellow. As the junior regiment of 3rd Armoured Brigade, 5th RTR 'should' have had blue tactical insignia. Photos suggest to me that some 5th RTR tanks didnt have any tactical signs at all, while others had insignia in a fairly dull/dark colour. I would also observe that photos of 3rd RTR tanks clearly show light-coloured tactical insignia - its always difficult to be certain from B&W photos, but the 3rd RTR markings look much more like yellow than those on 5th RTR tanks.
You have always been very helpful in providing me with information on GCE tank camouflage & markings, so I'd be delighted to send you copies of the 5th RTR photos that I have. Let me know if this would help.
(Login algonpegut) Missing-Lynx members 18.104.22.168
Thanks a lot
August 17 2012, 1:30 PM
Your comments answer my question.I think that I will paint my model without any name or tactical sign! Any pic you can send will help of course.
Thank you for your kind comment.There are a lot of new kits (mainly trucks) that can be used for SCW.So if you need some information,please e-mail me.
Peter Brown in Part 3 of his series "The A13 Cruiser", published on Military Modelling, Vol. 40, No. 14 2010, quoting 5RTR diary, states that Cruiser A13 Mk II A T9175 was in France as part of "C" Squadron of that battalion. So we know that Bronco markings for that tank should be correct at least regarding serial number and AOS number (it should be on a green square though). I concur with Andrew that 5 RTR tactical insignia for a BEF tank should be blue and not yellow.
5 RTR managed to bring back to Britain six A13, so there is the possibility of T9175 being one of them.
In Part 5 of Peter Brown's above mentioned serie there is a picture of a column of 5 RTR A13 in England (AOS 63), the first tank T15251, named "Edgecumbe" bears what appears quite dark tactical signs, definitely not yellow, so Bronco markings are not correct for that scenario either.
May I suggest you to take a look to Armoured Acorn (armouredacorn.com)? There are some sections dedicated to BEF tanks and British Cruisers you may find helpful.
I think that if you build T9175 with a 10 AOS number on a green square and blue tactical sign you should be on reasonably safe ground.
I'm no expert on British tank, I only try to put together all the informations I can find.