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Modern AFV Discussion Group

The Modern AFV discussion group is hosted by Erik Gustavsson and covers the variety of AFVs used by all nations in the post WWII era.

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  1. Afghan warrior has come home, Leo 2A6M CAN View Thread - Anthony Sewards on Sep 20, 7:43 PM
    1. $#@% Velcro Strips! Not looking forward to replicating those in 1/35. - Roy Stevens on Sep 21, 8:58 AM
     
  2. Odd request - Challenger 1 sprockets View Thread - Owen Nelson on Sep 19, 1:49 PM
    1. CRAARV - ossie Orsbourn on Sep 19, 3:18 PM
    2. Challenger 1 - Richard Stickland on Sep 19, 5:18 PM
    3. Thanks both - Owen Nelson on Sep 19, 7:03 PM
     
  3. Challenger 1 Op. Grandby View Thread - Martin McGowan on Sep 19, 10:39 AM
    1. Bison decals - Marc Brandes on Sep 19, 11:16 AM
    2. re Granby Chally 1 - Brian Murdoch on Sep 19, 1:42 PM
    3. Re: Challenger 1 Op. Grandby - Martin McGowan on Sep 20, 3:32 AM
    4. Challenger - Marc Brandes on Sep 20, 8:04 AM
      1. Re: Challenger - Martin McGowan on Sep 24, 7:25 AM
     
  4. Squadron Mystery Deal: Shipping poll? View Thread - Pat Stansell on Sep 19, 8:39 AM
    1. Ordered on Saturday, received on Tuesday - John Charvat on Sep 19, 9:00 AM
    2. Shipping notice - Mike Rechlicz on Sep 19, 9:26 AM
    3. FedEx Sez... - Frank Kranick on Sep 19, 10:16 AM
    4. Jeff Shelton sez..... - Joseph R. Zrodlowski on Sep 19, 4:12 PM
    5. Shipped to Canada, but by UPS not USPS as Stated on Their Basket - Chris Johnson on Sep 19, 7:53 PM
      1. Oh, no!... - Patrick Germain on Sep 20, 6:30 PM
        1. Good luck! - Graeme Davidson on Sep 21, 8:55 AM
        2. Mine arrived today (FedEx)... - Patrick Germain on Sep 21, 6:26 PM
    6. Got mine today - Fred Rosser on Sep 19, 8:30 PM
    7. Ordered Mine on Friday - Edward Bernardo on Sep 19, 8:49 PM
    8. My Squadron mystery deal .... found it waiting on my front porch today - wes brooner on Sep 19, 9:23 PM
    9. Ordered Saturday 15th... - Mike Land on Sep 19, 9:59 PM
    10. I received my HET today (19 SEP 2012) - Brent Sauer on Sep 20, 1:18 AM
    11. Turned out to just be impatience... - Pat Stansell on Sep 20, 11:52 AM
    12. Re: Squadron Mystery Deal: Shipping poll? - Mike Rechlicz on Sep 20, 1:15 PM
    13. my HET arrived today... never got a shipping notice - david nickels on Sep 20, 1:26 PM
      1. Mine arrived this morning - Joseph R. Zrodlowski on Sep 20, 4:18 PM
        1. Have bought from Squadron for nearly 40 years - david nickels on Sep 22, 8:32 AM
          1. I have shopped with Squadron since their Detroit Hobby Shop roots - Bob Carvo on Sep 23, 9:13 AM
    14. out of stock notification - Peter Stankiewicz on Sep 22, 7:10 PM
     
  5. looking for instruction sheet for Hobby Fan Gun Truck conversion HF028 View Thread - Bart Goesaert on Sep 19, 5:58 AM
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  6. Roden KrAZ-214B updated View Thread - Sam Alderlieste on Sep 19, 2:08 AM
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  7. New Kinetic Model Kits RG-31 for January 2013 US Release View Thread - Saul Garcia on Sep 18, 10:35 PM
    1. Looks good... - Gino P. Quintiliani on Sep 18, 10:42 PM
      1. 'Looks good'? - Jim Carswell on Sep 19, 12:35 AM
        1. Looks like a wheeled version of Dr. Who's K-9 - Roger Cockburn on Sep 19, 9:03 AM
          1. Yes, it does!!! - Hervé Charbonneau on Sep 19, 9:32 AM
        2. wonder about the suspension - Graeme Davidson on Sep 19, 4:04 PM
          1. isn't the M-ATV "oversized"? - Jason West on Sep 19, 7:24 PM
          2. TAK-4 - Javier de Luelmo - Diesel on Sep 21, 3:02 PM
    2. Only 300+ parts - Owen R Auer on Sep 19, 8:57 PM
     
  8. OPFOR M60A3's in Germany View Thread - Scott Dimmick on Sep 18, 10:51 AM
    1. Excellent - Mark Aldrich on Sep 18, 12:49 PM
      1. Books - John Kelley on Sep 19, 6:00 AM
     
  9. HELP! T-55's can be very confusing. View Thread - David Farris on Sep 18, 8:32 AM
    1. T-55s - Scott Dimmick on Sep 18, 10:48 AM
      1. Scott is right, but I would add... - Roy A. Schlicht on Sep 18, 6:53 PM
    2. Thanks for the info. N/T - David Farris on Sep 20, 7:51 AM
     
  10. is the T-90 gun barrel the same as on the T-72? View Thread - Mike Witous on Sep 18, 1:18 AM
    1. No, different gun, different thermal sleeve (n/t) - Olaf Kievit on Sep 18, 7:27 AM
      1. Thanks Olaf - Mike Witous on Sep 18, 12:35 PM
    2. As I´ve pointed before - HugoHuertas on Sep 18, 10:40 AM
      1. Thanks Hugo, I just ordered the barrel. - Mike Witous on Sep 18, 12:34 PM
        1. . - Anonymous on Sep 18, 12:50 PM
     
  11. Help with IDF M48A2 and possibly M48A3 ? View Thread - Bruno COLLIN on Sep 17, 4:45 PM
    1. some answers - mark hazzard on Sep 17, 6:25 PM
      1. Re: some answers - Anonymous on Sep 18, 3:31 PM
        1. some more clarification - Mark Hazzard on Sep 18, 6:37 PM
          1. Re: some more clarification - Bruno COLLIN on Sep 19, 2:14 PM
            1. 67' & 73' - Florencio Baca on Sep 19, 4:28 PM
     
  12. with the Squadron Mystery sale of the HET View Thread - Bob Carvo on Sep 17, 9:09 AM
    1. Yes, at AMPS website - Kurt Laughlin on Sep 17, 9:16 AM
    2. There have been some good builds here - david nickels on Sep 17, 1:33 PM
    3. Couple others - Jim Carswell on Sep 18, 12:38 AM
     
  13. M1a1 Iraq View Thread - GED CRANNY on Sep 17, 8:38 AM
    1. Carnivore - Marc Brandes on Sep 17, 10:04 AM
      1. Re: Carnivore - GED CRANNY on Sep 17, 10:31 AM
      2. Carnivore was CARC green overall. Not NATOFLAGE. - Mike Witous on Sep 17, 8:58 PM
    2. 'Nightmares Witness' - Jim Carswell on Sep 17, 3:31 PM
      1. Re: 'Nightmares Witness' - Geds Cranny on Sep 17, 4:42 PM
        1. Nightmares Witness - Hugo Huertas on Sep 17, 6:06 PM
          1. Camo nets - Marc Brandes on Sep 17, 11:59 PM
            1. Thanks for help - GED CRANNY on Sep 18, 3:31 AM
    3. . - Jim Carswell on Sep 17, 3:32 PM
    4. I have more Nightmares Witness pics if needed - Jason West on Sep 18, 10:48 AM
     
  14. Starter Kit View Thread - GED CRANNY on Sep 17, 4:05 AM
    1. Tamiya - Marc Brandes on Sep 17, 4:48 AM
    2. older Tamiya kits - david nickels on Sep 17, 1:36 PM
      1. Challanger2 - Ged Cranny on Sep 17, 2:13 PM
     
  15. Sorry ... wrong forum! View Thread - Kerry Brunner on Sep 16, 5:19 PM
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  16. 84mm Carl Gustav - ammunition transport cases? View Thread - John Tapsell on Sep 16, 4:12 PM
    1. 84 mm box - Nicklas Karlén on Sep 17, 3:09 AM
      1. Thanks! - John Tapsell on Sep 17, 5:41 PM
        1. british case for carrage - Frank Lever on Sep 18, 3:42 PM
        2. Re: Thanks! - Henri-Pierre Mas on Sep 19, 4:03 AM
    2. Charlie G cases - Richard Stickland on Sep 19, 5:48 PM
    3. Thanks guys - John Tapsell on Sep 20, 5:20 PM
     
  17. ZSU23-4 SHILKA View Thread - Pierre "Piwi" Piveteau on Sep 16, 11:25 AM
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  18. Desert Storm queries.... View Thread - Shane Gowan on Sep 16, 4:49 AM
    1. Re: Desert Storm queries.... - Gino P. Quintiliani on Sep 16, 5:03 AM
      1. Excellent, thanks - Shane Gowan on Sep 16, 5:14 AM
     
  19. Does anybody know the size of the MRAP tire and wheel ? View Thread - Matthew Higgins on Sep 15, 11:26 PM
    1. Depends... - Gino P. Quintiliani on Sep 15, 11:44 PM
      1. Thanks !! - Matthew Higgins on Sep 16, 9:22 AM
     
  20. Roden Kraz kit and Roden quality? View Thread - Marc Brandes on Sep 15, 5:11 PM
    1. I've built a couple of their 1/72 scale armor kits - Rob Gronovius on Sep 15, 5:33 PM
    2. Rolls Royce - Paul Napier on Sep 16, 12:44 AM
    3. Thanks both - Marc Brandes on Sep 17, 12:30 AM
     
  21. A question about Yugoslav T-34/85 View Thread - Richard Stickland on Sep 15, 2:34 AM
    1. this any help Richard? - tim roberts on Sep 15, 8:08 AM
      1. Yugo T-34/85 - Richard Stickland on Sep 16, 2:37 AM
        1. YU T34 - Marko Milosevic on Sep 17, 4:47 AM
          1. Yu T34 - Richard Stickland on Sep 19, 5:45 PM
     
  22. New Canuck Leo 2A4 photos View Thread - Anthony Sewards on Sep 14, 11:43 PM
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  23. New Trumpeter kits available View Thread - Kurt Laughlin on Sep 14, 11:39 PM
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  24. Squadron Mystery Deal...... View Thread - Brian Cavet on Sep 14, 6:51 PM
    1. SOLD!!! - Pat Stansell on Sep 14, 8:19 PM
    2. Same here (sold!) - Patrick Germain on Sep 14, 9:50 PM
    3. Got me one too! - Georg Eyerman on Sep 14, 9:54 PM
    4. Mystery Deal - Glenn Gerson on Sep 14, 11:07 PM
    5. over 100 sold - Brian Cavet on Sep 15, 1:45 AM
    6. Damn you guys are lucky.... - Rob Harvey on Sep 15, 4:06 AM
    7. PAP!!!! - Paul Sykes on Sep 15, 5:06 AM
    8. So how much money are they losing on this deal?... - Roy A. Schlicht on Sep 15, 7:07 PM
      1. In my case, probably nothing - Kurt Laughlin on Sep 15, 9:15 PM
        1. Too true, probably read our panting and footstomping here and overstocked - Mike duguay on Sep 16, 7:58 AM
        2. I understand all that... - Roy A. Schlicht on Sep 16, 2:15 PM
          1. Roy, just a friendly question.... - wes brooner on Sep 16, 5:42 PM
            1. There's an old saying..... - Joseph R. Zrodlowski on Sep 16, 6:08 PM
            2. Friendly answer... - Roy A. Schlicht on Sep 17, 12:21 PM
              1. Thanks Roy...very friendly indeed.... - Wes Brooner on Sep 17, 10:01 PM
      2. As an importer - david nickels on Sep 16, 7:57 PM
        1. A good analogy, David. - Kurt Laughlin on Sep 16, 11:39 PM
    9. Anyone get a shipping conformation, yet? - Pat Stansell on Sep 17, 1:54 PM
      1. No, but I did get a *confirmation*. - Kurt Laughlin on Sep 17, 4:09 PM
        1. Confirmation just came through - Frank LeMay on Sep 17, 7:55 PM
      2. Due on Wed..... - Brian Cavet on Sep 17, 9:40 PM
    10. Almost missed mine... - Frank Kranick on Sep 18, 9:25 AM
     
  25. Squadron - Hobby Boss M1070/M1000 HET for $49 View Thread - david nickels on Sep 14, 6:50 PM
    1. Almost - Owen R Auer on Sep 14, 10:21 PM
     
  26. Merkava ARV from Hobbyboss View Thread - Andrew Willis on Sep 14, 7:36 AM
    1. Yeah but only - Mark Aldrich on Sep 14, 9:21 AM
      1. Patience, Mark... - Greg Buechler on Sep 14, 12:21 PM
        1. In Beaverton Now - Mark Aldrich on Sep 15, 5:25 AM
    2. I'd like to see a Namer...nt - Jason West on Sep 14, 12:31 PM
    3. More interested in the Merkava 3d LIC - Matthew Pritchett on Sep 14, 4:51 PM
    4. Good news - Robert Manasherob on Sep 14, 7:06 PM
    5. IDF - Owen R Auer on Sep 14, 10:18 PM
      1. M2/M3 Series Centurion - Mark Aldrich on Sep 15, 5:28 AM
     
  27. BTR-40 in Afghanistan ? View Thread - Bruno COLLIN on Sep 13, 3:49 PM
    1. Not likely... - Gino P. Quintiliani on Sep 13, 6:27 PM
    2. Also - Anthony Ryan on Sep 13, 8:59 PM
    3. BTR-40 In Afghanistan, Yes...but - Anthony Sewards on Sep 13, 10:58 PM
      1. Afghanistan 1968 - Johan Lexell on Sep 14, 11:56 AM
    4. A few pictures........ - Dan Rosecrans on Sep 14, 11:04 AM
    5. Re: BTR-40 in Afghanistan ? - Bruno COLLIN on Sep 14, 2:59 PM
     
  28. please delete- double post View Thread - Jason West on Sep 13, 2:10 PM
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  29. Tracks for USMC M1A1 in Afghanistan View Thread - Jason West on Sep 13, 2:08 PM
    1. Either... - Gino P. Quintiliani on Sep 13, 6:20 PM
     
  30. BR90 No 12 Tank Bridge View Thread - Dennis Lunn on Sep 13, 3:44 AM
    1. plain military - ossie Orsbourn on Sep 13, 2:19 PM
      1. Titan No 12 Bridge Launch - Andy Brend on Sep 14, 11:17 AM
    2. I think I might be able to help - Tim Neate on Sep 14, 5:42 PM
      1. Some photos that might help - Tim Neate on Sep 15, 11:43 AM
    3. A Partial Answer - Brian O'Donoghue on Sep 15, 7:05 AM
     
  31. French VBCI with RPG nets in 1/35 View Thread - kylie newton on Sep 13, 2:37 AM
    1. Re: French VBCI with RPG nets in 1/35 - stephane HERVE on Sep 13, 6:09 AM
      1. yep, expect so. - kylie newton on Sep 13, 11:55 PM
    2. FWIW - Yann Jouault on Sep 14, 6:36 AM
     
  32. oops, delete (n/t) View Thread - Steve Belanger on Sep 12, 2:21 PM
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  33. Libiyan M577 with a...... View Thread - Anthony Ryan on Sep 12, 12:37 PM
    1. Re: Libiyan M577 with a...... - Steve Belanger on Sep 12, 2:22 PM
      1. How the heck did l miss that? NT - Anthony Ryan on Sep 12, 5:24 PM
      2. Is that a BMP-1 turret on top?? - Ed Okun on Sep 13, 10:45 AM
        1. Re is that a BMP-1 turret on top?? - Anthony Ryan on Sep 13, 1:58 PM
    2. my ljbian m577 - carl webster on Sep 14, 3:04 AM
     
  34. T-62 Radiator Hatches View Thread - Jose G. Ruiz on Sep 12, 4:56 AM
    1. Re: T-62 Radiator Hatches - Marc Brandes on Sep 12, 11:07 AM
      1. Thanks - Jose G. Ruiz on Sep 12, 8:16 PM
     
  35. More ST-1 quetions???? View Thread - Mark Aldrich on Sep 11, 11:06 AM
    1. Re: More ST-1 quetions???? - Henri-Pierre Mas on Sep 11, 11:52 AM
      1. Yep - Mark Aldrich on Sep 11, 3:15 PM
    2. not 100% sure - Marcel Drgon on Sep 17, 7:46 AM
     
  36. Japanese Type 10 engine deck View Thread - Simon Barnes on Sep 11, 7:58 AM
    1. Re: Japanese Type 10 engine deck - Henri-Pierre Mas on Sep 11, 8:39 AM
      1. Thanks HP - Simon Barnes on Sep 11, 12:18 PM
     
  37. White .... or maybe not so white???...NEPALBATT... View Thread - Luis Pitarch Carrion on Sep 11, 4:51 AM
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  38. L/F Sabingamartin Centurion Tanks of the IDF Shot Kal vol 3 View Thread - Bernie McKenna on Sep 11, 4:13 AM
    1. www.sabingamartin.com - Robert Manasherob on Sep 11, 2:14 PM
     
  39. Need help identifying this antenna. View Thread - Christopher Mrosko on Sep 10, 10:41 AM
    1. Not it the Italeri kit - Rob Gronovius on Sep 10, 11:46 AM
      1. A little more info - Christopher Mrosko on Sep 10, 12:38 PM
        1. Was talking about the Italeri kit antenna - Rob Gronovius on Sep 10, 9:36 PM
    2. None - Mark Aldrich on Sep 10, 5:11 PM
     
  40. SAS 'Pink Panthers' - references? View Thread - John Tapsell on Sep 9, 5:41 PM
    1. Re: SAS 'Pink Panthers' - references? - Marc Brandes on Sep 9, 6:45 PM
    2. Pinkies - Brian O'Donoghue on Sep 10, 3:28 AM
    3. are you set on a Pinky? - Graeme on Sep 10, 8:35 AM
      1. Book - terry taylor on Sep 10, 1:36 PM
        1. Re: Book - Graeme on Sep 10, 2:31 PM
          1. Greame, that's a killer subject; consider going with another imprint or DIY. - Kevin Ingraham on Sep 10, 3:06 PM
      2. References for RhSAS LRs? - Rob Morales on Sep 10, 3:50 PM
        1. RhSAS sources - Paul Napier on Sep 11, 2:33 AM
          1. Thanks Paul n/t - Rob Morales on Sep 11, 3:53 AM
    4. Thanks - and some other stuff - John Tapsell on Sep 10, 3:27 PM
      1. Re: Thanks - and some other stuff - terry taylor on Sep 10, 3:49 PM
    5. Looking to do a non pink Rover myself - Rob Feehan on Sep 10, 7:01 PM
      1. Green Pinkies - Robert Lockie on Sep 14, 11:46 AM
     
  41. Unimog View Thread - Matt Kirk on Sep 9, 2:05 PM
    1. Resin kits - Marc Brandes on Sep 9, 3:06 PM
      1. Thanks - Matt Kirk on Sep 9, 5:19 PM
    2. Tamiya 1/32 kit - Graeme Davidson on Sep 9, 5:30 PM
    3. 1:32 Unimog - Paul Napier on Sep 10, 1:29 AM
    4. Revell used to have one, not sure if it is the one you are looking for n/t - Alex Chee on Sep 10, 9:31 AM
    5. Hmmm - Matt KIrk on Sep 10, 3:40 PM
     
  42. Tamiya to do a...... View Thread - chris kinge on Sep 9, 2:02 PM
    1. Link - Joseph R. Zrodlowski on Sep 9, 2:44 PM
    2. Release date... - Jim Carswell on Sep 9, 2:46 PM
      1. You mean..... - Joseph R. Zrodlowski on Sep 9, 3:01 PM
      2. And these ones also... - Thomas Voigt on Sep 9, 3:52 PM
        1. Not Really - Joseph R. Zrodlowski on Sep 9, 4:05 PM
    3. Re: Tamiya to do a...... - Mike Rechlicz on Sep 9, 4:01 PM
      1. You need to redact that comment - Joseph R. Zrodlowski on Sep 9, 4:08 PM
      2. That's Hobby Easy's price... - Roy A. Schlicht on Sep 10, 3:17 PM
    4. All new? - Owen R Auer on Sep 14, 10:19 PM
      1. Saw a link via Twenot Forums - Martin Dogger on Sep 15, 4:04 PM
     
  43. White .... or maybe not so white???...more Indonesians View Thread - Luis Pitarch Carrion on Sep 9, 4:13 AM
    1. more pics - Luis Pitarch Carrion on Sep 10, 2:18 AM
    2. Thanks again!! - Chadi RACHID on Sep 10, 4:54 PM
     
  44. T55 Enigma engine bay View Thread - Stefano Sogni on Sep 8, 6:18 PM
    1. Check here - Jim Carswell on Sep 8, 9:46 PM
      1. Re: Check here - Stefano Sogni on Sep 12, 3:22 AM
    2. Re: T55 Enigma engine bay - Steve Reid on Sep 9, 1:07 PM
     
  45. White .... or maybe not so white???...Italians... View Thread - Luis Pitarch Carrion on Sep 8, 11:05 AM
    1. Very nice ones too... - Chadi RACHID on Sep 8, 11:21 AM
     
  46. Abrams track pad damage, USMC related.... View Thread - Shane Gowan on Sep 8, 12:40 AM
    1. Re: Abrams track pad damage, USMC related.... - Henri-Pierre Mas on Sep 8, 1:58 AM
      1. Great pic's, but not what I wanted, sorry - Shane Gowan on Sep 8, 3:53 AM
        1. Re: Great pic's, but not what I wanted, sorry - Henri-Pierre Mas on Sep 8, 7:05 AM
          1. I still appreciate your help!! - Shane Gowan on Sep 8, 7:09 PM
        2. The inner surface stays remarkably intact - Rob Gronovius on Sep 9, 10:45 AM
          1. Unless... - John Charvat on Sep 9, 11:03 AM
            1. True - Rob Gronovius on Sep 10, 11:52 AM
    2. Track... - Gino P. Quintiliani on Sep 8, 3:13 AM
      1. Thanks Gino, appreciated N/T - Shane Gowan on Sep 8, 3:54 AM
    3. these: - MarlinH on Sep 9, 10:48 AM
     
  47. IDF M32 mystery objects View Thread - Marwin Albertema on Sep 7, 5:25 PM
    1. Answers....maybe - Mark Aldrich on Sep 7, 7:02 PM
      1. Mortar? Definately an antenna mount - Owen Nelson on Sep 7, 7:20 PM
    2. Mortar - Tom Gannon on Sep 7, 9:07 PM
    3. Thanks! And an additional question - Marwin Albertema on Sep 8, 3:51 AM
      1. Later fittings - Tom Gannon on Sep 9, 8:16 PM
        1. Thanks Tom! - Marwin Albertema on Sep 10, 3:54 AM
     
  48. Verlinden M42 hull interior - opinions? View Thread - Olaf Kievit on Sep 7, 3:26 PM
    1. It looks fairly good... - Rod Crisman on Sep 7, 10:05 PM
      1. Glad to hear that, thanks a lot (n/t) - Olaf Kievit on Sep 8, 6:09 AM
    2. Interesting set - Owen Nelson on Sep 8, 10:53 AM
    3. RE:Verlinden M42 hull interior - opinions? - Bruton,Dave on Sep 8, 11:09 AM
      1. Good to hear that, thanks (n/t) - Olaf Kievit on Sep 8, 1:49 PM
    4. VMMV Duster - Steve Zaloga on Sep 8, 2:06 PM
      1. Thanks a lot Steve, much appreciated! (n/t) - Olaf Kievit on Sep 8, 3:46 PM
     
  49. Czechoslovakian ST-1???? View Thread - Mark Aldrich on Sep 7, 8:42 AM
    1. Re: Czechoslovakian ST-1???? - Henri-Pierre Mas on Sep 7, 12:00 PM
      1. NICE - Mark Aldrich on Sep 7, 4:04 PM
        1. A few period pics - Henri-Pierre Mas on Sep 7, 4:59 PM
          1. Wow!!! - Mark Aldrich on Sep 7, 5:18 PM
     
  50. M60 powerpack AVDS1790-2C - help please View Thread - Guenter Neumahr on Sep 6, 3:41 PM
    1. AVDS 1790 - Joe Starns on Sep 8, 12:04 PM
      1. Here's the link... - Henri-Pierre Mas on Sep 8, 4:05 PM
      2. n/t - Henri-Pierre Mas on Sep 8, 4:06 PM
      3. wow - Guenther.Neumahr on Sep 9, 5:07 AM
        1. Get them while you can - Rob Feehan on Sep 10, 1:01 PM
     
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