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IDF M48A3

March 12 2005 at 11:38 AM
Tan Chuan-Jin  (no login)
from IP address 165.21.154.112

I've got a Tamiya M48A3 but with barrel missing. But I do have spare 105mm barrel. Been searching the net, but can anyone confirm if the IDF used M48A3s with the 105mm gun? and whether I could basically use the rest of the M48A3 kit intact. Especially the commander's cuppola.

Tks for any feedback.

cj

 
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Kjeld Pedersen
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62.66.181.94

M48 used by IDF

March 12 2005, 1:21 PM 

Hey

When you build the Magach 3 (M48A3)with
105 mm gun you cant use the old cupolar
with 0.50 HMG, you shall use a Sherman
cupolar or the Israeli Urdan.

Here you have 2 different approaches:

http://idfmodelling.free.fr/article01.html

http://menatezz.cool.ne.jp/sabi-models/idf_m48a3/idf_m48a3.htm

Best regards
Kjeld Pedersen

 
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Kjeld Pedersen
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62.66.181.94

wrong link in message above

March 12 2005, 1:33 PM 

Hey

Here is the the link:

http://www.missing-lynx.com/gallery/modern/migm48.htm

Sorry
Best regards
Kjeld Pedersen

 
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Andre Ellis
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168.187.0.35

Early IDF M48,s

March 12 2005, 2:25 PM 

Howdy... the early M48,s did use the cupola supplied in the Tamiya/Academy kits but you must not use the lower portion with the vision blocks i dont recall seeing that type of cupola used.The .50 cal that was installed inside the cupola was the{M-85} so dont mount the external {M-2} on the outer top. Later models then used the urdan cupola with the .30 cal.MG. Also you would still be correct by using the kit 90MM main gun as also the earliest M48,s had these but not for long... the L7 105MM was the weapon of choice for the later M48,s

 
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Gary Owsley
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64.136.201.182

Re: Early IDF M48,s

March 12 2005, 4:01 PM 

Maybe if you are doing a M48A2 from `67. There's a differance between the A2 and A3. A2 is a gasser with a similar looking engine deck, Monagram M48 is an A2.I've yet to see a M48A3 with the .50 cal. copula. Seen plenty with the Urdan and Sherman copula.

 
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Kjeld Pedersen
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62.66.181.94

M48A3 in IDF service

March 12 2005, 8:10 PM 

Hey

IDF received their M48A3 in 1969 they were upgunned with 105 mm cannons
and it did not use US M1 cupola.

The M48A2 (petrol engine) with 90 mm canon and US M1 cupola was used during the 1967 war, the A2 was later modified to A3 standard, with diesel engines and Urdan/Sherman cupola.

I will adwice our modeller to make a M48A3 with 105 mm gun (he dont have a 90 mm gun) with either Urdan or Sherman cupola.

some more links:

http://suzuka.cool.ne.jp/menatezz/idf-m48/idfm48.htm

look for (purple) Magach
http://www.cheyl-shiryon.com/vehicleref.html

http://www.patton-mania.com/IDF_Pattons/idf_pattons.html

Best regards
Kjeld Pedersen


 
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Joshua Weingarten
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Re: Early IDF M48,s

March 13 2005, 11:39 PM 

As kjeld pointed out check my listing on the IDF use of the 48 / 60 patton on my site

http://www.cheyl-shiryon.com/vehicleref.html

the M48A3s all had their guns updated to 105mm by 1973.
the early ones retained their 90mm guns as did the the earlier M48A2s . you can distinguish these by the missing air cleaners , 3 return rollers instead of five. Also early versions did not have the accordian dust cover but a similar one which had drooping material where th eaccordian would go. The final version of hte M48 in IDF service were some M48a5s. the earliest were M48a1s. pics of all types are on my site just click on the thumbnails.

 
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eyal kafri
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84.94.5.147

early copula on idf m-48a3

March 13 2005, 3:38 AM 

i've seen pictures of israeli m48a3 from 1973 with the early copula (as in the tamiya kit) minus the lower vision ring. in 1973 all the pattons had the 105mm gun but there were 3 types of copulas. the urdan copula, the sherman copula and the original american copula.

 
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Gary Owsley
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Re: early copula on idf m-48a3

March 13 2005, 7:50 PM 

Proably a reeingined A2, they are misidentified all the time. One way to be for sure is, the A3 had 5 return rollers and the A2 had 3.

 
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eyal kafri
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84.94.2.230

5 return rollers in the picture

March 14 2005, 3:49 AM 

just checked it. there are 5. i guess anything goes.

 
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vittorio
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82.48.44.148

idf m48

March 14 2005, 8:22 AM 

"Israel made an application to the US in 1955 to purchase 60 M47 tanks and after the US refused, Israel applied again in 1958, this time to purchase 100 M47 tanks but the answer was the same.
In the early 1960's, Israel signed a deal with West Germany, for the purchasing of 150 M48A2. However, due to strong Arab nations opposition, out of the 150 tanks planned to be delivered, only 40 did Israel finally receive. Since West Germany didn't fully fulfill its obligations, the US had decided to supply the remaining 110 M48A2 tanks and to add another 100 M48 tanks. In 1965, Israel received 90 M48 tanks from the US and another 120 M48 tanks in 1966. At this time Israel had 250 M48 tanks, 150 of them M48A1 and 100 of them M48A2, all of these armed with a 90mm main gun.
Israel upgraded those tanks to M48A3's by replacing their engines and transmissions with newer models. These tanks were also fitted with a new 105mm L7 gun (same as on the Centurion MBT) and with the Israeli Urdan cupola. (All Israeli M48 tanks were upgraded to M48A3 by the beginning of Yom Kippur War)."
from: http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/tanks/magach/Patton_Tanks_in_Israeli_Service.htm

some photos:




bye
Vittorio

 
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Sampo Mikkola
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194.100.2.66

Fourth cupola type....

March 14 2005, 12:44 PM 

Hi guys!
Even the original low profile cupola version from M48/A1 was still in service during YK war. It was easy to recognize with one extra periscope cover behind commanders hatch.

Happy (confusing?) modelling!

Sampo M

 
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Tan Chuan-Jin
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165.21.154.117

Confusing but THANKS!

March 15 2005, 4:53 AM 

Grateful for the various inputs and advice. Can see that there are a number of variations...certainly has made me clearer. Thanks.

cj

 
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