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Pat Stansell (Login pstansell) Missing-Lynx members 22.214.171.124
Anyone else troubled by this?
December 9 2010, 9:36 AM
I brought this up in relation to the earlier Wolf postings, but is anyone in doubt that this kit is "inspired" by the Accurate Armour offering?
I know that as modelers, we welcome a lower priced option. But this is troubling on a number of levels. First is that a well-known figure in our hobby, Derek Hansen, worked long and hard on this model. It is really a work of art and, in my opinion, the kit represents the pinnacle of what can be done with a multimedia kit. Derek also sought and received the cooperation of Oshkosh Trucking Company in the construction and production of the model. It is a licensed reproduction.
Furthermore, as a U.S. taxpayer, I am troubled that a product that I/we paid for will be offered without license or consideration of the manufacturer. The same could also be said for the MOD version.
Now, I don't know for sure what has occurred behind the scenes, nor can I prove that anything unethical has taken place. But we do know what has happen in the past with some of the "newer" manufacturers.
Am I way off base here? Is anyone else bothered by this?
A. Guarderas (Login superdope) Missing-Lynx members 126.96.36.199
No bueno/si bueno
December 9 2010, 11:16 AM
Having 3 1070's at my bench right now ,I could careless. I won't buy one. I hate plastic, resin burns through my veins. Derek's kit gives me what I want with no ejector pin marks and I can sail through the build.
The kit will still be expensive, and like trumpeter when they came out with the Faun, we waited with greedy hands to be utterley smashed with crap once it arrived.
You can get excited/pissed but the fact of the matter is "Where the Hell is the M20?
(Login jimbrae) Missing-Lynx members 188.8.131.52
In a word, Yes.
December 9 2010, 11:51 AM
Troubled, perhaps not, but certainly concerned. When I got the first images of the LR Wolf from HB, I passed them onto Derek - precisely because of these concerns. Rather than tearing his hair out, he sensibly took the approach that his company could benefit from this development by the production of update sets etc. Now, I don't know about the M1070 (no, I know ZILCH about the M1070 ) but, when I get the images i'll pass those onto Derek as well so he can make the judgement call.
It's also worth bearing in mind that mot only did Accurate Armour mutually cooperate with Oshkosh over their M1070, they did precisely the same with Land Rover.
(Login Blue1fox) Missing-Lynx members 184.108.40.206
December 10 2010, 6:56 AM
While I applaud Hobby Boss for being innovative and coming up with new modern subjects (especially those in use by the PLA-Army), I agree with Pat - I can't help but wonder if certain resin kits were purchased, dissected and reverse engineered (so to speak) to produce a plastic kit. While a modern plastic Land Rover kit is well overdue and the M1070 is a popular choice for any kit maker, what really makes me suspicious was the announcement of the Boxer MAPV. In my opinion it wouldn't be anywhere near the top of most people's wish list. I believe MRAPs like the Cougar and Maxxpro would be more popular and thus sell better. However, there is a resin kit of the Boxer available (Vajra Miniatures) whereas there are no known kits of the Maxxpro, and the 6x6 Cougar proves to be elusive to obtain (from Cromwell). Plus Hobby Boss/Trumpeter have been shown to copy/use existing resin kits or scratch build kits in their new releases - search the discussion boards on discussions on Hobby Boss Strv 122 and Trumpeter E-100. Hence my suspicions extend to the Land Rovers and the M1070 too.
(Login Jacques1001) Missing-Lynx members 220.127.116.11
December 10 2010, 10:21 AM
There are a number of "issues" that need to be addressed:
1. All of the Asian companies use multiple design/prototype teams. Some have been sub-contracted. So the "quick copy" of someones work might actually have NOT been the manufacturer's fault...they would be quilty of not checking up, and of using questionable sub-contractors. My understanding is that there had been a crack down on this sort of thing to keep the manufacturer's reputation from suffering, and the sub-contractor's did not do high enough quality work (a problem that is still being struggled with...)
3. No matter how good a kit may be in resin, it will only get made into a plastic kit if it will make money. Conversely, if it is good enough to make it into resin, and is popular, then there is a good chance it will be made into plastic.