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Schatton L4500 s in plastic

July 4 2012 at 10:41 AM
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Great news!

July 4 2012, 11:24 AM 

Looks good on the 3D pics.

The website says "Construction by MACO".

Michel


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Calum Melrose
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GREAT

July 4 2012, 1:21 PM 

This is great news I can stop chopping up diecast ones, well done to maco AGAIN!

anyone know when we can expect this kit?

 
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Matthias Conrad
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Re: GREAT

July 4 2012, 5:12 PM 

I think in two weeks the kit is available.

 
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I'd like to make a Pre-Order

July 4 2012, 9:01 PM 

Hello Matthias,
Great news! My friend Juergen mentioned to me a short time ago to be expecting this kit (and the 4x4 later).

I want to make a pre-order of 4 kits please.

Thanks,
Tony

 
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Etch

July 5 2012, 4:48 AM 

Hi Matthias,
will you be doing etch for this kit?

Calum

 
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Matthias Conrad
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Re: Etch

July 5 2012, 9:51 AM 

I do not know if Schatton makes etched parts for the kit. I do not do this.
Is not my kit.

 
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not sure if you saw my earlier post...

July 5 2012, 1:55 PM 

Hello Matthias,
Great news! My friend Juergen mentioned to me a short time ago to be expecting this kit (and the 4x4 later).

I want to make a pre-order of 4 kits please.

Thanks,
Tony

 
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E-mail him :)

July 6 2012, 1:40 AM 


It usually works for me!

The e-mail address and everything else is here:http://mc-modellbau.de/

/Steen


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Warning ! Be careful with this model

July 5 2012, 2:17 AM 

Dear colleagues !

Be careful with this model, because it is very simplified:
[linked image]
[linked image]

Please, compare these two images to each other - and You will see the differences by Yourself.
Note, for example, wrong shape of rear part of cab. Also note wrong wheel hubs, forward bumper, wrong thickness of radiator, some differences on front fenders.

Why do not make these parts in right shape and dimensions from beginning, in moulding forms, and not "with help of God and after-market" ?

 
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Easy now

July 5 2012, 3:05 AM 


Let's not judge the model by the looks of the, also simplified, 3D image.

Let's see the sprues before passing judgement on the kit!

/Steen


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Calum Melrose
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Rear Diff

July 5 2012, 4:47 AM 

The kit may need work its so much easier to work in plastic than diecast. I still will be getting a couple funds allowing, the cab does look off a bit but I am sure this will be sorted with an after market item.

I am very surprised at how tiny the rear diff is on the real vehicle. so much power and torque going into somthing that small very surprised. My Leyland lynx has a smaller than normal rear diff but it has hub reduction units on the rear hub to deal with the torque I am amazed that this worked.

Calum




 
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you have a right

July 7 2012, 1:28 PM 

is true the 3d model is wrong, because this the kit is probably wrong too, because they use a 3d printing to create the master of models, because this, every day appears more and more 3d models and if the 3d is wrong, when they printing the masters this have the same wrong parts.

cheers.

 
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Disappointment of the Year No.2! n/t

July 5 2012, 6:10 AM 

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Christian Weber
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No one force You to buy or build it! n/t

July 5 2012, 2:09 PM 


 
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What's with all the negative waves Moriarty?

July 5 2012, 3:50 PM 

We finally get a new manufacturer turning out decent new 1/72 injection kits that haven't been available before and you give them a pasting over fairly trivial issues in a 3d model......You really should get out more guys! wink.gif

 
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Yup, and in turn you can make as many of these as you like! n/t

July 5 2012, 5:30 PM 

n/t

 
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No excuses!

July 6 2012, 5:30 AM 

I agree with Illian, the stark truth is that the information to do a first class product is readily available and all the manufacturers have to do if they are in doubt is contact you guys.Only yesterday i was talking to a manufacturer about the obvious faults on some of the IBG kits,ALL avoidable before production.A beautifull range of Bedford QLs with very poor cabs! The CMP trucks with again poor wheels and so on.And now that the PSC are doing bren carriers i predict that IBG will lose sales to them because of the overcomplicated tracks etc, not to mention price. I think disapointment is the right word here.

 
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Oooh, that's nice....

July 5 2012, 7:28 AM 

Hi,

I definitely want one, or more, of these. It looks superb and the decals are very good as they give some nice marking options. Are there any more German big trucks planned? This is a nice surprise and a pleasant change from the normal releases for the German army 1939-45. Keep up the good work.

All the best,

Paul

 
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Will. Dingle
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looks like another great kit to pick up!

July 5 2012, 6:01 PM 

I know that there is no perfect kit, but that is why us modellers can use our skills to improve them. I am looking forward to picking up this little gem, warts and all and will utilize my little skills to improve or modify it to my standards, if you release them than I will purchase them!....Will

 
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why so quickly bad critics???????

July 6 2012, 8:38 AM 

It pains me to regularly these negative comments must be read. Is it really a disease of our time. Are there too many new kits? People please be satisfied with what is available in our hobby. There are people who ask for more quality than they themselves can make. Negative criticism is easy, but what can you made by yourself.
(minds of a modeller with a age from 70 year)

 
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Not bad critics

July 6 2012, 9:14 AM 

I dont view the posts as bad criticism merely good observations.Every single one of us strives to improve the accuracy and quality of our finished models, its what the hobby is about but also we have modellers who are not very good at correcting mistakes and they concentrate on the painting stage and so on. What is so wrong with asking the kit manufacturer to get it right, its not as if they will withdraw the kit later on and redo the mistakes, i dont think iv ever seen this happen in plastic. Like you Henk iv spent many years making masters for other folk, AB figures,Cromwell models, 1.76 and 1.35th, Bw models etc and i have always tried my best to get the master right the first time around just as you have. Many of us in this hobby will gladly help anyone with information, photos etc.These plastic kits cost a fortune to set up and that is another good reason to get it right first time.

 
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Oke, not alone bad critics, but ....

July 6 2012, 12:12 PM 

Hello Dave, thanks for your words. Yes, some people have doing good observations. You are also correct that you note that you did your best and have made your mastermodels so correct as possible. Like me. But I know also that my masters were not always correct. May be it is better to speak that all released kits on the market from every manufactuerer have faults or mistakes. If you know that and you want to buy only a correct kit then you can stop with your hobby or change the details or mistakes by yourself. If it is possible to made a 100 % correct kit, then the price will be much higher then today. And what is 100% correct, wartime period gives many changes, upgradings and rework to the vehicles, when the same vehicle were produced by another company, there were a lot of differences. So I think 100 % is not possible.
I know also that not everyone has the same experience, but so as every profession you learn more every day.
In this case the Shatton model (Maco design) is on the moment not released, there are only 3D drawings and testshots of the sprue's, the same with the Revell SdKfz.7 (Maco design)
Before the kits are on the market they become many words about faults and shortcomings, it will give the manufacturers bad feelings when you tell directly about faults and mistakes. Think also on your own profession when your chef and boss in first instance only speaking about your faults
then you are also not happy. Luckfully there are also people with better words for this kits.
I know also the past is the past, we live now today, but look back to the kits from early times (you found enough of this kits on my website) this kits are nostalgy and mostimes completely wrong, the kits from today are from a much higher standard and detailling. So again let we be happy with wat is today on the market.
(BTW. this letter is not personally to you Dave, but to all modellers. I know I'm an old men and have idea's from another time)
(For me is this discussion closed, it's are my minds and it is everyone allowed to have another ideas or opinions)
(In the past I have become a few mails from modellers with negative critics about my website, a part of my answer to this people was mosttimes, were is your website with info for other modellers?)
best greetings and keep up the good and nice hobby, gr. Henk happy.gif

 
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Re: Not bad critics

July 6 2012, 12:35 PM 

"its not as if they will withdraw the kit later on and redo the mistakes, i dont think iv ever seen this happen in plastic"

It happens quite a lot actually, the latest I can think of is the great Wall P-61, they made a lot of significant changes(canopies, cowl, prop, nose cone, engines) to their second release after initial negative reviews of the first release.

Off the top of my head, Trumpeter has done it(Wildcat), Tamiya(Meteor), Eduard(109), Hasegawa(109). Not much of an armour guy but I'm sure there have been examples as well.

 
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Wingythings

July 7 2012, 3:11 AM 

I stand corrected,however as the discussion was about afvs/trucks i still cannot remember anything being withdrawn for corrections.

 
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Re: why so quickly bad critics???????

July 6 2012, 12:38 PM 

"People please be satisfied with what is available in our hobby"

If everyone followed your advice we'd still be building the crappy kits available 50 years ago. While I agree some critics can go way overboard criticism in itself if a very good thing for the hobby. Getting ones panties in a knot over a 3D drawing is, to put it mildly, stupid. I'd at least wait for the kit to be released.

 
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For Those of you

July 6 2012, 10:46 AM 

who think that the guys at schatton are too stupid to know what they do, visit
fernkraft.de

Rudolf

 
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?

July 6 2012, 3:47 PM 

Sorry I'm that dumb, Rudolf, but I can't get the idea sad.gif Why visit this site?

 
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You do realize that the L4500 on fernkraft does NOT have a standard cab? n/m

July 9 2012, 7:27 AM 



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Which is the standard cab?

July 9 2012, 9:49 AM 

The rounded one? Which cab is on fernkraft.de? After war? Please explain a bit. Thank you.

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L 4500 pictures

July 6 2012, 6:01 PM 

because of the 1943 L4500 pictures, ilian.

 
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??

July 7 2012, 12:24 AM 

Sorry again, Rudolf, but where those pictures are?
I managed to find only this one:
http://www.fernkraft.de/mercedes-l4500.html
TIA!

 
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