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Is Hunor open railway wagon good for German trains?

August 11 2017 at 12:01 AM
Piotr Pyrczak  (Login ppyrczak)
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Hi all,
I'm looking for a good base to build a Flakvierling wagon. I was thinking about the Hunor kit. Would it be a good starting point or should I look for something else?

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Piotr

 
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Pascal Leroux
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yes and no

August 11 2017, 4:56 AM 

Hello Piotr,
the Hunor model Wagons are for "Hungarn" railways...
I dont't know something about "Hungarn" Locomotive...
Which means that in a hand we have "Germans KriegsLoks" without wagons and in an other side, we have hungarn wagon without hungarn locs"
If somebody got a logical answer !!!!!
I have already ask Ace if maybe it will not a so bad idea for them to make some german wagon : open, closed (G10) ans why not some Ssyms for Panther or Tiger. (In my dreams (or my nightmares) I was thinking also about a traveller car !!!)
So, I suppose that the Hungarn railways used german Loc, so the Hobby boss locs did match....
I don't think that the opposite is true : the german industries could made a lot of wagon, and the german administration got a lot of wagon back from the occupied countries, that was not Hungary : It's means that they had to buy those wagons beside their friends...
at the end of war, when the Hungarn changes their mind and became allied from the Russian "big brother", the hungarn wagons became "Beute".... Was there in that time a lot of train with "Flak" aboard ????
but after all, I don't know if there is a lot of people who can say "This is an hungarn wagon, that don't fit !!..."
and in an other hand, you get an easier solution :
Why don't you go to the CMK offer "Wagon Linz carrier for Me 410" : ther are three differents "offener Gattungsbezirk"
which are german, for sure...
[linked image]?seek=1152605388

http://www.cmkkits.com/en/afv/index.php?fSort=3&fSeries=45&fScale=15&fNationality=24&fEra=6&fMaker=83&from=40
and for the price, I think it's about the same with the Hunor Model offer...

hope it helps !!
Pascal


    
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Ilian Filipov
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Hunor railcars

August 11 2017, 6:29 AM 

Hi Piotr,
There are no pictorial evidences of Flakvierling mounted on Hungarian cars but this doesn't mean such combination is non-existent, everything is possible. Note though that the construction of both Hunor offerings (high boards and low boards open car) is typical for the MAV (Hungarian Railways) and you can't use them with DRG markings.
HTH
Cheers!

 
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Piotr Pyrczak
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Thank you gentlemen...

August 11 2017, 7:13 AM 

Thanks for all the info. My plan was to use a flatcar as a base and scratchbuild everything from the floor up. I think I'll need to find another route. Regarding Planet Models I recall people complaining about the quality of the kits with warped resin bits etc. If I'm going to spend time working on the wagon top I'd prefer the bottom to be stress free so the project doesn't frustrate me too much.

Cheers
Piotr

 
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Petr Vanek
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Planet Models wagons

August 11 2017, 9:44 AM 

"Regarding Planet Models I recall people complaining about the quality of the kits with warped resin bits etc." - I have built four of them, no warp at all...

 
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other solution

August 11 2017, 10:34 AM 

firstable, I have two unbuilt wagons from CMK since years and they are not (yet !!) wraped or something...
If you want to built the "top" of the wagon, I wander why you don't built it from scratch in full .....
some links which can help you in that way :
http://web.hs-merseburg.de/~nosske/EpocheII/fg/e2f_gwix.html
go to the last page "G├╝terwagen der Kriegs-Bauarten"
"Your" wagon is the "Omm Linz", the first one...

http://www.modellbahnfrokler.de/archiv/100/
for that one, go to the "O Wagen" page. You can see all the drawing when you open the "Zu Vorschau Seite", but you can go also directly to the "Omm 32 Linz" page 77;78 and 79....
you can also open all the differents pages, there are a lot to see...

an other and last link by LZ Models :
http://www.lzmodels.com/135-German-Ommr-Flatbed44.html
don't forget to open the "assembly instructions on CD and download : HERE "
and here also, you can open the other page, those of the G10 Covered wagon for example (Which misses us considerably since the disappearance of the wagons from Mig...)

Pascal


    
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Piotr Pyrczak
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Thanks for the links, very informative n/t

August 11 2017, 9:39 PM 


 
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Rob Pye
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Does anyone have scale plans...

August 11 2017, 10:17 AM 

The lack of German rolling stock (that is affordable) has been a real bother. We have loads of Soviet Armored trains, and even a few German ones. Yet, while Trumpeter makes some nicely done German locos we have no freight or passenger wagons for them!!!!!!!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH......

So does anyone have access to scale plans for suitable WW2 era German rolling stock? If so, please share or direct me to them, as I might have a go at scratchbuilding them and use some OO train bits (wheels and such) to aid the process. I just don't see anyone making rolling stock for us... sad.gif

And yes, I know there are some train manufacturers that produce some items but they are so darn expensive...I just want to build a German supply/hospital train that can be attacked on my wargames table....not too much to ask...but I would like the train to look right....

So any help in appreciated! wink.gif

 
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Re: Does anyone have scale plans...

August 11 2017, 10:28 AM 

Rob, have you tried searching for model railway forums on the web?? You might have to join one or two to post messages, but you may find the answers to your questions on one of those forums.

 
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Pascal Leroux
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I've already given some links

August 11 2017, 10:37 AM 

Let's go two post up, and there are some links in my last message....
But I'm Ok to have some other more !!!!
Pascal

 
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Grant Parkin
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Re: I've already given some links

August 11 2017, 1:41 PM 

I didn't see that Pascal, my apologies.

 
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Ilian Filipov
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Well, if you can afford space for extremely long trains then go ahead!

August 11 2017, 12:15 PM 

Hi Rob,
you wrote "I would like the train to look right...." I hope it wouldn't sound offending but it was fun.
I wouldn't discuss the supply trains here, their length may vary but keep in mind usually they were even longer than the medical trains.
Now how the right medical train was looking.

The standard German medical train (Lazarettzug) consists of 37 cars 27 of which were "wards" and the rest 10 were offices, stores, living cars for the train and medical crews, kitchens, as well as one operations theatre and one apothecary, those 10 were evenly distributed between the ward cars.
To illustrate the things, here is a pic of one such standard German medical train belonging to Feldtransportabteilung Gruppe Ib, photographed in Maastricht area in 1940:
Lazarettzug

The ward cars were usually based on 4-axle passenger cars with average length of 15 - 20 m. The length of such car in 1/72 will be about 210 - 250 mm average. This means you'll need about 5 to 7 meters for those 27 cars alone, add a couple of meters for the locomotive and the rest 10 cars (which length may vary depending of the type) and you're in the picture.
I wish I had 10 meters to have a right looking medical train in 1/72...
Cheers!


    
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Re: Well, if you can afford space for extremely long trains then go ahead!

August 11 2017, 1:40 PM 

Having an interest in railway modelling, (UK 'OO' scale), I can honestly agree with you Ilian. True scale length trains are not feasible, so most modellers who want a 'mainline' formation need to compromise and reduce the amount of carriages pulled behind the locomotive.

 
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Rob Pye
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Well....

August 11 2017, 4:12 PM 

Well....guys, I am not thinking of building a real long train; just 7-10 wagons being pulled by one of Trumpeter's locos. I am thinking basic, along the lines of having some standard German freight wagons (one box car type and another flat car type) as well as perhaps some passenger bits.

As for 'looking right', I was actually meaning the wagons themselves. So no, I am not even remotely considering doing a full length train in 1/72! I have my British N-Gauge collection for that! wink.gif

And many thanks to Pascal for the links...I don't know if you edited these and I missed them or just didn't spot them first time around...regardless, they are indeed helpful!!!!!!!!! So would I be right in saying the following German rolling stock would be suitable for a WW2 train from thehttp://www.modellbahnfrokler.de/archiv/100/, namely for a standard Box car type Freight car wagon

Plates 1a-2a

http://www.modellbahnfrokler.de/archiv/100/01-g/html/100-001-g02.html

http://www.modellbahnfrokler.de/archiv/100/01-g/html/100-001a-g02-karlsruhe.html

http://www.modellbahnfrokler.de/archiv/100/01-g/html/100-002-g10.html

http://www.modellbahnfrokler.de/archiv/100/01-g/html/100-002a-g10-karlsruhe.html

...and for a standard open top Freight wagon, plates 76-78

http://www.modellbahnfrokler.de/archiv/100/04-o/html/100-076-om21.html

http://www.modellbahnfrokler.de/archiv/100/04-o/html/100-077-omm32.html

http://www.modellbahnfrokler.de/archiv/100/04-o/html/100-078-omm32-fischbauch.html

???????????????????????????? So what say you German train experts??????????????????????????

I am sure I can build these kits, using OO gauge wheels, buffers, and coupler's all based on a standardize chassis....

Any suggestions would be most welcomed




 
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Any any ideas / sources for decals

August 11 2017, 4:19 PM 

Any any ideas / sources for decals. Surely someone makes some WW2 German train decals?

And yes, I know Peddinghaus makes some but they are dead expensive and my past experience of their decals isn't good...perhaps they have improved, I don't know...and they also don't do a whole lot in 1/72....but a lot in 1/87 which I think will look way out of scale....

Thoughts?????


    
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Re: Any any ideas / sources for decals

August 11 2017, 5:10 PM 


Hi Rob,

Try here, both from Germany.....

TL Decals https://tl-modellbau.de/Epoche-II_1 1/87 scale but some may be useful for 1/72

Peddinghaus Decals http://decals.guenstigergeht.net/1-72-decals-for-trainmodels/ 1/72 scale, lots of goodies here. A lot more since I last visited 2-3 years ago!

Hope this helps
Stefan

 
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Thanks Stefan!!!!!!!!!!

August 11 2017, 5:16 PM 

I am still worried about using 1/87 decals but it may be I don't have much choice.... Thanks for the links!!!!!!!!!!!

 
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Caution....

August 12 2017, 9:57 AM 


Hi Rob,

Just a word of caution, more for those who are not too familiar with German railways and not wishing to offend anyone.

Simply put our area of interest here is Deutsche Reichsbahn (DR) 'Epoche II' (1919-1945) or Deutsche
Reichsbahn-Gesellschaft (DRG) http://web.hs-merseburg.de/~nosske/EpocheII/e2x_d.html . Post war became 'Epoche III', then IV etc. but the railways of East Germany before unification were still DR, hence the caution.

Wartime German stock was still used by both East (DR) and West Germany (DB) of course well into 'Epoche III' (1949-1970). It's actually much more complicated and is a hobby in itself.....happy.gif

http://web.hs-merseburg.de/~nosske/EpocheII/ (use the Google translate button)

Hope this helps
Stefan

 
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Pascal Leroux
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Hard way

August 11 2017, 5:28 PM 

as the german wagons miss, I don't think the decals makers will spend time and money to make decals that nobody will buy...
that's my thought...
I have already make some searches for 1/72 decals, (I agree 1/76 too )
the only things I've found are decals for the plastic kits which are already existing, for example by Peddinghaus : http://decals.guenstigergeht.net/1-72-decals-for-trainmodels/

But I have also found a german guy who makes decals for 1/87, but he proposes too to print the decals in different scales (as you can see when you open a link to a decal : 1/45 ; 1/32 ; 1/120 or 1/160...
Of course, no 1/72or 1/76...
But I suppose that if we are asking very kindly and friendly....
http://www.modellbahndecals.de/Decals-Gueterwagen/Komplettbeschriftungen/Epoche-3-DR-100/Regelspur/

Pascal

 
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Decals

August 11 2017, 6:24 PM 

Rob,
The situation with the decals in 1/72 isn't much different from the situation with the rolling stock: you're left on your own. The commercially available decals offerings, the scale apart, are wrong in many respects. The same for the decals in the kits (if any!).
So after years of research to provide correct era markings my decals were drawn at last and custom printed, and the result is this so far:

Boxcar_04sm Flatcar_01sm
BR_52_p03

Etc., etc.
HTH
Cheers!

 
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