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General AFV Modelling Discussion Group

Hosted by Al Bowie and Brett Green, the General AFV Modelling discussion group covers any general military modelling topic including industry news and announcements.

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  1. Question reagarding posting photo's View Thread - Roger Hurkmans on Sep 24, 3:53 PM
    1. how did you post them - david nickels on Sep 25, 4:04 PM
      1. Re: how did you post them - Roger Hurkmans on Sep 25, 4:07 PM
     
  2. Some more Euro pictures View Thread - Stefan Bernet on Sep 24, 3:44 PM
    1. Similar quality to an AMPS Nats. - Frank Blanton on Sep 25, 7:43 AM
      1. Excellent selection of photos - Ian MacAulay on Sep 26, 2:20 PM
     
  3. Hobby Easy concerns View Thread - Stephen J. Pringle on Sep 24, 3:32 PM
    1. Hobby Easy - Dave Foster on Sep 24, 3:53 PM
    2. Re: HobbyEasy - Matt Nethery on Sep 24, 4:13 PM
    3. One of the best - Paul Frawley on Sep 24, 6:55 PM
    4. I second what Paul said, have never had a difficultly - kylie newton on Sep 25, 6:17 PM
      1. No probs ever - Ian McPherson on Sep 25, 7:00 PM
    5. Good customer Service - Chen Chuanren on Sep 27, 11:27 AM
     
  4. free kindle book Lessons Learned in Combat: D-Day and Beyond View Thread - james dunning on Sep 24, 10:13 AM
    1. This is great! - Georg Eyerman on Sep 24, 5:43 PM
      1. My wife has a website bookmarked that lists the free books daily - Rob Gronovius on Sep 25, 7:40 PM
        1. Rob.....What's The Web Site?? - C Johnson on Sep 26, 2:53 AM
          1. Daily Free Books - Rob Gronovius on Sep 26, 12:48 PM
            1. Thanks!!!!! - C Johnson on Sep 26, 12:53 PM
              1. No problem - Rob Gronovius on Sep 26, 3:01 PM
     
  5. Anyone have shipping issues with Lucky Model lately? View Thread - Scott Dimmick on Sep 24, 10:00 AM
    1. Slower Here Too - Mike Carroll on Sep 24, 11:32 AM
    2. Me Too... - Matthew Pritchett on Sep 24, 12:08 PM
      1. Regarding Lucky ... - George Bradford on Sep 24, 2:42 PM
    3. Me too, in UK - Chris Lloyd-Staples on Sep 24, 12:21 PM
    4. Ditto - Olaf Kievit on Sep 24, 2:38 PM
    5. Re: Anyone have shipping issues with Lucky Model lately? - Bill Morton on Sep 24, 3:47 PM
      1. Very Slooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow ! n/t - Stirling Lowery on Sep 25, 6:16 AM
    6. Slower - Drewe Manton on Sep 25, 11:01 AM
    7. Slow shipping isn't Lucky its the shipper - david nickels on Sep 25, 4:05 PM
      1. Strange... - Scott Dimmick on Sep 26, 7:49 AM
        1. Shipping times - david nickels on Sep 26, 2:46 PM
          1. Untrue - Scott Millican on Sep 28, 12:31 PM
            1. I'm with you on this, Scott - Gary Owsley on Sep 29, 2:18 PM
    8. Possible Reason - Ian McPherson on Oct 2, 10:57 PM
    9. Still waiting as of October 3!!! - Scott Dimmick on Oct 3, 11:31 AM
    10. Lucky Model - David Igel on Oct 4, 3:17 PM
      1. Same here... - Scott Dimmick on Oct 6, 10:34 AM
        1. Still waiting for my NM-116 as well... - Olaf Kievit on Oct 9, 6:51 AM
    11. Lucky Model shipping policy - Olaf Kievit on Oct 9, 2:13 PM
      1. Surface to Oz - Ian McPherson on Oct 9, 9:41 PM
     
  6. Best AFV from the IPMS New Zealand Nationals. View Thread - Peter Mossong on Sep 24, 3:59 AM
    1. awsome - Andy Argent on Sep 24, 5:27 AM
     
  7. Euro Militaire pics. View Thread - Phil Hyslop on Sep 23, 3:13 PM
    1. thanks, Phil! nt - Roman Volchenkov on Sep 23, 3:31 PM
      1. So many... - Mirko Bayerl on Sep 23, 3:50 PM
        1. I absolutely agree... - Robert Doepp on Sep 24, 1:47 AM
          1. Robert your diorama - Andy Argent on Sep 24, 5:25 AM
            1. Thank You! - Robert Doepp on Sep 24, 6:35 AM
    2. Excellent pictures. - Andy Argent on Sep 23, 5:10 PM
      1. Who made the FW Vignette ? (n/t) - Mirko Bayerl on Sep 24, 5:44 AM
        1. FW Vignette - by Aitor Azkue from Spain - David Parker on Sep 24, 7:48 AM
          1. Many thanks David (n/t) - Mirko Bayerl on Sep 24, 8:04 AM
            1. Aitor's Vingette - Rick Lawler on Sep 24, 9:54 AM
              1. Not forgetting... - David Parker on Sep 24, 10:59 AM
      2. Camera. - Phil Hyslop on Sep 25, 4:18 PM
    3. what is that very last female bust sci/fi figure - Carter Latham on Sep 24, 9:55 PM
      1. Sci Fi bust. - Phil Hyslop on Sep 25, 4:24 PM
        1. Chris Clayton Sci-Fi Bust - Rob Herring on Sep 26, 1:58 PM
     
  8. Images from Euro anyone? nt View Thread - Roman Volchenkov on Sep 23, 4:40 AM
    1. I've just uploaded some! - Chris Meddings on Sep 23, 5:03 AM
    2. On my facebook - Martin Visser on Sep 23, 9:40 AM
    3. thank you! nt - Roman Volchenkov on Sep 23, 3:31 PM
    4. Here goes nothing..... - Robert Lockie on Sep 24, 10:49 AM
    5. Euro album in FB - Pekka Nieminen on Sep 25, 3:28 AM
     
  9. 1/25 Chieftain Track View Thread - Markohead kaboleng on Sep 23, 1:38 AM
    1. I don't think there are any - david nickels on Sep 23, 9:30 AM
    2. fruili made a set. - Stephen J. Pringle on Sep 24, 8:58 AM
      1. No, they don't - Gary Owsley on Sep 24, 1:31 PM
        1. Yes..but - Markohead kaboleng on Sep 25, 3:36 AM
     
  10. Carlisle Barracks Petting Zoo View Thread - Michael E. Mummey on Sep 22, 10:59 PM
    1. Thanks Mike - Jim Carswell on Sep 23, 3:21 PM
      1. Jim, its directly en-route from Ottawa to F'burg for AMPS 2014 - Graeme Davidson on Sep 24, 9:47 AM
        1. Graeme, closer if you use miles, only 150. - Michael E. Mummey on Sep 25, 4:28 PM
    2. Nice pics, Mumbo. - Gary Owsley on Sep 24, 5:21 AM
    3. Mike when where you there? A bunch of modelers/AMPS... - Mike Riedeman on Sep 24, 8:58 PM
      1. 9/21/2013 - Michael E. Mummey on Sep 25, 4:45 PM
        1. Funny Mike I'm hard to miss at.... - Mike Riedeman on Sep 25, 5:39 PM
     
  11. Best Online Modelling Supplies View Thread - Timothy Grier on Sep 22, 10:25 PM
    1. Squadron - Michael E. Mummey on Sep 22, 11:46 PM
      1. Hey Mike - Timothy Grier on Sep 23, 6:21 AM
        1. Hey Tim - Michael E. Mummey on Sep 25, 9:40 PM
          1. Sent you an P/M to your e-mail Mike n/t - Timothy Grier on Sep 25, 10:44 PM
    2. Scalehobbyist and Megahobby - Matt Nethery on Sep 23, 6:45 AM
      1. Thanks for the heads up Mike! n/t - Timothy Grier on Sep 25, 9:52 PM
    3. Re: Best Online Modelling Supplies - John Wypyszinski on Sep 23, 9:02 AM
      1. Thanks - Timothy Grier on Sep 25, 9:53 PM
     
  12. Computer browser question View Thread - Bernie McKenna on Sep 22, 11:24 AM
    1. IE - Matt Nethery on Sep 22, 12:05 PM
      1. IE - Bernie McKenna on Sep 22, 12:42 PM
        1. You will want to keep it - david nickels on Sep 23, 9:35 AM
    2. Do you really need to? - David Byrden on Sep 23, 2:43 AM
    3. Don't remove it - Olaf Kievit on Sep 23, 4:22 AM
    4. you can't remove it - Terry Ashley on Sep 23, 5:22 AM
      1. Re: you can't remove it - Bernie McKenna on Sep 24, 1:26 PM
     
  13. The camouflage game View Thread - Federico on Sep 22, 6:51 AM
    1. 3 Camo Tone - Matt Nethery on Sep 22, 10:17 AM
    2. Re: The camouflage game - paul roberts on Sep 22, 3:47 PM
      1. What camo hides a tank in atomic ruins? - roy chow on Sep 23, 12:57 AM
    3. Well.... - Brian Colburn on Sep 23, 4:05 AM
      1. Camo game - Frank Blanton on Sep 23, 7:42 AM
     
  14. Armorcon 2013 2nd Call for Judges View Thread - Georg Eyerman on Sep 21, 10:29 PM
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  16. Interesting tales of Russian / US end war collaboration View Thread - Andrew Tomlinson on Sep 21, 8:34 AM
    1. re: Interesting.. - william carls on Sep 22, 8:08 PM
     
  17. Rustoleum Clear Sprays View Thread - Fred Schwarz on Sep 20, 8:48 PM
    1. Rust-o-Leum - Matt Nethery on Sep 20, 8:50 PM
      1. Different, I think - Fred Schwarz on Sep 20, 8:53 PM
        1. The TDS says: - Fred Schwarz on Sep 20, 9:00 PM
          1. Acrylic - Matt Nethery on Sep 20, 9:02 PM
            1. Resin? - Fred Schwarz on Sep 20, 9:53 PM
              1. Resin - Matt Nethery on Sep 20, 10:56 PM
    2. Synthetic lacquer?? - Brian Cavet on Sep 21, 6:54 PM
     
  18. free kindle book armored thunderbolt View Thread - james dunning on Sep 20, 7:27 PM
    1. No joke! - Pat Alexander on Sep 20, 8:26 PM
      1. Yep. - Fred Schwarz on Sep 20, 8:51 PM
        1. Re: Yep. - Georg Eyerman on Sep 20, 11:17 PM
          1. Only for you Yanks, it appears. Bugger nt - Paul Roberts on Sep 21, 12:15 AM
      2. Just a question from curiosity - Kurt Laughlin on Sep 22, 1:05 PM
        1. Re: Just a question from curiosity - paul roberts on Sep 22, 3:42 PM
    2. Thanks, sent a copy to my Kindle and my Fire HD - Rob Gronovius on Sep 21, 1:00 AM
      1. U.S. IP addy - David DaSilva on Sep 21, 4:24 PM
    3. Thank You - Brent Sauer on Sep 21, 6:06 PM
    4. Hmmm.... - Capt. C. Sosebee, USA (Ret) on Sep 21, 8:28 PM
     
  19. ArmorCon 2013 Judge's and Table Captain Certification Classes View Thread - Mike Petty on Sep 19, 10:09 PM
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  21. Air Connection still trading? View Thread - Darren Thompson on Sep 18, 3:31 PM
    1. Yes they are, I just got an order from them yesterday... - Roy A Schlicht on Sep 19, 12:12 PM
      1. Thanks Roy... - Darren Thompson on Sep 20, 1:24 PM
     
  22. Tokyo Hobby Show? View Thread - Roman Volchenkov on Sep 18, 4:52 AM
    1. Tamiya's web site had a list of exhibotors - david nickels on Sep 18, 8:11 AM
     
  23. Primers? View Thread - Fred Schwarz on Sep 17, 2:06 PM
    1. Get a can of Tamiya Fine Grey Primer - david nickels on Sep 17, 4:06 PM
      1. Tamiya Primer - Fred Schwarz on Sep 18, 8:13 AM
      2. Just used it - Fred Schwarz on Sep 20, 8:39 PM
    2. Spray Can&Floquil - Matt Nethery on Sep 17, 6:52 PM
      1. Primer - Fred Schwarz on Sep 18, 8:10 AM
        1. Re Testors Fine Primer - Mike Gardella on Sep 18, 9:57 AM
          1. Testor's Primer - Fred Schwarz on Sep 18, 12:42 PM
          2. I just tried Model Master enamel primer.... - Brian Colburn on Sep 18, 9:55 PM
            1. Peeling - Fred Schwarz on Sep 19, 10:39 AM
        2. I used to use the Floquil stuff - david nickels on Sep 18, 1:03 PM
          1. $8? - Fred Schwarz on Sep 18, 1:21 PM
            1. the tall can - david nickels on Sep 18, 3:27 PM
    3. Mr Surfacer 1000 in a spray can works great, if... - Mark Dugan on Sep 19, 10:30 AM
      1. Mr. Surfacer - Fred Schwarz on Sep 19, 10:39 AM
        1. Tamiya Liquid Surface Primer is essentially the same thing - david nickels on Sep 19, 1:39 PM
    4. Citadel primer from Games Workshop... - Dan Capuano on Sep 19, 2:58 PM
      1. my local Hobbytown sells it - david nickels on Sep 20, 8:31 AM
      2. Another thumbs up for the Games Workshop primer - Alan Mckenzie on Sep 20, 2:12 PM
        1. Citadel - Fred Schwarz on Sep 20, 8:41 PM
    5. Are you looking for a primer or are you looking for a surfacer? - Kurt Laughlin on Sep 20, 8:19 PM
      1. Hobby primer - Fred Schwarz on Sep 20, 8:36 PM
     
  24. More New Tamiya paints out... View Thread - Andrew Tomlinson on Sep 16, 4:59 PM
    1. Brown Iron??? - Paul Kirchner on Sep 18, 9:12 PM
      1. It's XF 84 for Brown Iron - Andrew Tomlinson on Sep 30, 3:46 PM
     
  25. Tamiya rubber band tracks - prime or not to prime View Thread - Peter Beck on Sep 15, 10:16 AM
    1. Re: Tamiya rubber band tracks - prime or not to prime - Ian MacAulay on Sep 15, 7:15 PM
      1. Painting vinyl track - Frank Blanton on Sep 16, 6:49 AM
    2. Krylon... - Frank Michaels on Sep 16, 8:55 AM
      1. Like Frank, Krylon Fushion paint is great... - Mike Riedeman on Sep 17, 9:17 PM
    3. Tamiya tracks - Kevin Kenny on Sep 20, 4:22 PM
     
  26. I'm looking for photo's/drawings of the Strickland View Thread - Ley Reynolds on Sep 14, 7:23 PM
    1. Re: I'm looking for photo's/drawings of the Strickland - Henri-Pierre Mas on Sep 16, 2:10 AM
      1. Thanks, they're a great help. - Ley Reynolds on Sep 17, 12:01 AM
     
  27. NCMSS this Saturday...TODAY! View Thread - Richard Isner on Sep 14, 12:22 AM
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  29. Canadian C-2 MEXAS DVD View Thread - Anthony Sewards on Sep 13, 11:36 PM
  30.  
  31. Where's the beef? View Thread - John Lam on Sep 13, 5:47 PM
    1. wrong forum - emanuel morales (Zeke) on Sep 14, 11:46 PM
      1. or - jack fisher on Sep 15, 10:09 PM
      2. and I thought......... - Owen R Auer on Sep 17, 10:54 PM
     
  32. What is it with all those Italian women and Dalmations...? View Thread - Andrew Tomlinson on Sep 13, 4:36 PM
    1. Culture - John Harris on Sep 14, 6:33 AM
     
  33. Sad news View Thread - bobCollignon on Sep 13, 1:46 PM
    1. RIP Tony NT - Dave OMeara on Sep 13, 1:57 PM
      1. Always a shame when a master modeller goes... - Andrew Tomlinson on Sep 13, 4:34 PM
    2. CRAP................Another great person gone, I will miss him dearly. - Jose. T. Rodriguez on Sep 13, 5:58 PM
    3. Sorry to hear it - John Charvat on Sep 13, 8:51 PM
    4. Condolences Bob - roy chow on Sep 14, 9:48 AM
    5. Sad news Indeed - Steve Hearn on Sep 14, 5:18 PM
    6. That plain sucks. - Paul Roberts on Sep 14, 5:22 PM
      1. Sad to read this - Frank Blanton on Sep 16, 6:50 AM
    7. Re: Sad news - Chuck Willis on Sep 16, 7:15 AM
     
  34. Amusing Hobby kits. View Thread - Bill Morton on Sep 13, 8:40 AM
    1. Amusing Hobby in the U.K. - Simon Hammerton on Sep 17, 3:44 AM
     
  35. Join Us at NordicCon, Saturday, September 21 in Twin Cities View Thread - Tim Streeter on Sep 12, 6:35 PM
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  37. Armorcon Call for judges View Thread - Georg Eyerman on Sep 11, 7:56 PM
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  39. AMPS Great White North Model Show, June 7, 2014 View Thread - Chuck Rothman on Sep 11, 2:46 PM
    1. Re: AMPS Great White North Model Show, June 7, 2014 - Paul Roberts on Sep 11, 8:55 PM
      1. F##kin' A Sparky - bobCollignon on Sep 13, 1:39 PM
    2. First in Canada?! - Dan Hay on Sep 13, 4:47 PM
      1. Yes - Scott Taylor on Sep 14, 1:25 AM
    3. Re: AMPS Great White North Model Show, June 7, 2014 - Rod Dumouchel on Sep 13, 4:52 PM
      1. Damn good show as well. - Greg Harker on Sep 13, 5:09 PM
      2. Well, being second ain't so bad... - Paul Roberts on Sep 14, 5:26 PM
        1. Just read the judging - bobCollignon on Sep 17, 9:04 PM
          1. Rules et al - Jason Bobrowich on Sep 18, 1:08 AM
     
  40. Transport Heathrow Airport-Folkestone View Thread - Javier Soler on Sep 11, 6:40 AM
    1. Re euro - O Hanlon Mark on Sep 11, 10:43 AM
    2. You would be wise - C Johnson on Sep 11, 10:44 AM
    3. Journey Planner - John Harris on Sep 11, 1:02 PM
    4. Good news.... - Sven Frisch on Sep 12, 9:49 AM
      1. Folkestone train - Chris Grove on Sep 12, 12:36 PM
    5. Thank you all! - Javier Soler on Sep 12, 2:22 PM
      1. Get a Brompton! - Javier de Luelmo - Diesel on Sep 13, 7:10 PM
    6. Hitachi to Folkestone - Grahame Bredbere on Sep 16, 4:12 PM
     
  41. survey of the minds View Thread - Anthony Guarderas on Sep 11, 12:53 AM
    1. I have three... - Gino P. Quintiliani on Sep 11, 1:57 AM
      1. I'm another me, myself and I modeler..... - Mike Riedeman on Sep 11, 4:16 PM
    2. The Master Himself - Mark Aldrich on Sep 11, 8:33 AM
      1. Agree with both Mark and Gino... - Mike Roof on Sep 11, 9:29 AM
    3. Many, many including some on here but......... - Alan Mckenzie on Sep 11, 9:16 AM
    4. Good ole Shep! - Stephen J. Pringle on Sep 11, 10:01 AM
      1. Steve Zaloga - Ian MacAulay on Sep 11, 10:39 AM
    5. A few people - Pat McGrath on Sep 11, 11:52 AM
    6. My choices - David Utley on Sep 11, 1:10 PM
    7. Re: survey of the minds - Rick Emrick on Sep 11, 1:55 PM
    8. Photographs and dioramas - Randy Hampton on Sep 11, 5:59 PM
    9. Re: survey of the minds - Graeme on Sep 12, 10:31 AM
      1. My inspiration - Frank Blanton on Sep 12, 4:39 PM
    10. mmmm - emanuel morales (Zeke) on Sep 12, 1:34 PM
      1. Agree with emanuel - phillip young on Sep 12, 3:34 PM
    11. Re: Ressuscitate - Matt Nethery on Sep 12, 3:46 PM
    12. Me,but fail badly cant seem finish anything - jamie sumner on Sep 16, 5:45 AM
     
  42. Hobby shops in Syracuse, Rochester and Buffalo NY View Thread - Ian MacAulay on Sep 10, 7:20 PM
    1. Hobby Shop in Webster, Ny - James Humphreys on Sep 10, 8:34 PM
    2. A couple in Buffalo - Chuck Rothman on Sep 11, 1:11 PM
      1. Ace Hobby... - bobCollignon on Sep 13, 1:47 PM
        1. Thanks! - Ian MacAulay on Sep 13, 8:50 PM
     
  43. More downloadables 1/35 View Thread - Federico on Sep 10, 12:17 PM
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  45. Legend Detailing Set for 1/35 Tasca M4A3E8 Question View Thread - Brad Main on Sep 9, 4:43 PM
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  47. Panther Models View Thread - Wouter Van den Berghe on Sep 8, 11:34 PM
    1. Seem to have stopped trading judging by ebid etc. - Alan Mckenzie on Sep 9, 11:37 AM
     
  48. Instructions View Thread - Jerry Crowley on Sep 7, 5:23 PM
    1. Re: Instructions - Jeff Nelson on Sep 9, 10:11 AM
      1. Thanks - Jerry Crowley on Sep 9, 11:11 PM
        1. Re: Instructions - Jeff Nelson on Sep 10, 9:26 AM
     
  49. The Alberta Military Modellers Show is Imminent! View Thread - Jason Bobrowich on Sep 7, 1:09 PM
    1. have a good show guys - Graeme Davidson on Sep 8, 9:15 AM
     
  50. KITMEET 1.3 gets closer! View Thread - Javier de Luelmo - Diesel on Sep 6, 6:01 AM
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  52. Can anyone confirm a rumor View Thread - David Bourland on Sep 5, 11:00 PM
    1. Check this! - Ville Kosonen on Sep 6, 1:43 AM
    2. See more on Allied ML! - Andrew Tomlinson on Sep 6, 4:44 PM
    3. Thanks! - David Bourland on Sep 6, 10:26 PM
    4. So are Trumpeter - Tim Folkes on Sep 13, 8:47 AM
     
  53. Looking for Warriors figures View Thread - Sean Mcandrews on Sep 5, 7:56 AM
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  55. Austin AMPS Centex South Central Region Show September 21st View Thread - Aaron Smischney on Sep 4, 5:23 PM
    1. See you guys soon, I will be there for the first time. - Jose. T. Rodriguez on Sep 5, 3:01 PM
      1. cool! - Aaron Smischney on Sep 6, 11:07 AM
    2. Excited and saving my $$ - David Bourland on Sep 5, 10:57 PM
      1. I as well! - Aaron Smischney on Sep 6, 11:07 AM
     
  56. Temecula Valley Model Club annual BBQ, Swap Meet, Drink Beer, Watch Football- October 12 View Thread - Mike Witous on Sep 4, 2:26 AM
    1. Re: Temecula Valley Model Club annual BBQ, Swap Meet, Drink Beer, Watch Football- October 12 - Paul Roberts on Sep 4, 10:31 AM
      1. Hey Paul, one of us can pick you up at San Diego Airport.. - Mike Witous on Sep 4, 9:40 PM
        1. Ooo, tempting - Paul Roberts on Sep 4, 11:58 PM
          1. Don't wimp out - Joe Bevans on Sep 5, 12:07 AM
            1. Tanks Joe, but the Ducks are on the hunt this year... - Mike Witous on Sep 5, 1:11 AM
    2. Dag-nabit, too far from Ojai; go ahead and have my beer! N/T - Hall, Tom on Sep 8, 2:06 PM
     
  57. WWII Orders of Battle and Organizations View Thread - james dunning on Sep 3, 4:10 AM
    1. Battle Reports - Matt Nethery on Sep 3, 9:36 AM
     
  58. MAFVA Nationals 2014 View Thread - Colin Rosenwould on Sep 3, 3:29 AM
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  60. Diamond T m19 View Thread - Joao Botto on Sep 2, 4:35 PM
    1. Check allied forum. - Niels Henkemans on Sep 2, 4:58 PM
      1. Re: Check allied forum. - Joao Botto on Sep 3, 7:18 PM
      2. Re: Check allied forum. - Joao Botto on Sep 3, 7:18 PM
      3. Merit Not related - Scott Millican on Sep 4, 12:02 PM
     
  61. Armstrong Bases View Thread - Jon Greenwood on Aug 31, 4:53 AM
    1. I don't think so - Andrew Lang on Aug 31, 5:56 AM
    2. an alternative? - mark neville on Aug 31, 3:42 PM
    3. Re: Armstrong Bases - Jon Greenwood on Sep 1, 5:40 AM
     
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