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New DMLs, Gebrigs(Heer) in Italy.

July 3 2009 at 3:45 AM
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I'm always all for any Italian Theater anythings..so Thank you Dragon.

I like the Flare pose, and the M.38 SMG.

The rifles look strange, seem to have a box mag and bolt action.


    
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Nice

July 3 2009, 10:21 AM 

would also liked to have seen some of these without the wind-proof pants:
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But the poses do have good action

 
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Great detail

July 3 2009, 12:00 PM 

The detail in the latest releases from dragon are starting to get close to resin figures. Plus these figures are very, very close to what the box art is.
Looks good

 
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Wow, and not Gen2?

July 3 2009, 5:36 PM 

Hi David,
These are real nice, though we will always have a preponderance of German figures, it's nice to see something other than Panzer Grenadier/SS. Good poses, and the commander on the field phone looks particularly aggravated at the answers he's getting!
Cheers,
Glen

 
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Look like G41 Semi Automatic Rifles

July 4 2009, 8:45 AM 

It's a bit hard to tell from the box top illustration, but the rifles look like G41 semi-automatic rifles to me. The bolt handles do look to be in the wrong place, though.

They were a singularly unpopular weapon, hard to maintain and complicated to produce. The muzzle mounted gas trap system was unbalanced and difficult to dissasemble and clean in the field. Interestingly enough, the original design of the M1 Garand used a similar (but much smaller) type of gas trap device, but after only a few thousand, the US switched to the much better gas port system.

German weapon designers, however, were horrified at the thought of drilling holes in the bore of their small arms and persisted experimenting with the gas trap and recoil operating systems long after other designs proved their worth.

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Re: Look like G41 Semi Automatic Rifles

July 4 2009, 4:08 PM 

The Curved bolt is what made me think it wasn't a G41(w)..I wasn't sure it although I was thinking some captured and pressed into service rifle(Need to check the books, but I don't know) The muzzle and box mag point to a G41, but the curved bolt points to a K98(plus a bolt on a self-loading?? DML isn't that dumb?)...I know there are kits nowadays to had a extended mag to the K98k.

Prob is just a G41, and just an artist overlook or mistake on the boxart.





    
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G41(M)

July 4 2009, 9:18 PM 

Nope, not an "artist overlook or mistake" in the box art. happy.gif I've made plenty of mistakes but this isn't one of them. The weapon is a G41(M), a rifle confirmed as used by this unit.

FWIW,
Ron V

 
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Re: G41(M)

July 4 2009, 11:55 PM 

which Gebrigs unit is it supposed to be in Italy?

 
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Hochgebirgsjaeger Batalion 4

July 7 2009, 3:09 PM 

I is my normal course to research as thoroughly as possible each figure set that I am involved with. Sometimes the answers come easily and everything is "rosy". Other times it is like pulling teeth to find all that is needed. In this case, sound info was provided by a very serious collector of GJ, thus the weaponry chosen.
Presumeably, this title was a touch to long to suit the box.

FWIW,
Ron V

 
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Re: Hochgebirgsjaeger Batalion 4

July 7 2009, 5:36 PM 

no probs on the weapons I was just wondering what unit, so I could find the OOB and To&Es, and battles the unit fought in..I've always been interested in the Italian Campaign.

found they were at Cassino, at St. Angelo Hill, point 706

looks like they were up against the US 36th(Texas) Infantry Division


    
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Indeed, the G41 (Mauser) (Image)

July 5 2009, 2:23 AM 

Oh ye of little faith... (myself included)... Mr. Volstad is correct as usual, and the mold cutters at DML were, well..., almost correct.

The rifles are indeed the Mauser versions of the rare as unicorns G41. Below is a pic comparing the two variants (Mauser on top and Walther below) clearly showing the differences in the bolt handles (both shape and placement). (Photo credit should go to diggerhistory.com)

One might quibble and note that the boxtop illustration correctly shows the bolt handle at the rear of the receiver and that the photo of the assembled figgies shows that DML cut the handles forward of the trigger guard. However, what is clear that the rifles are G41(M)'s.

Mr. Volstad and DML have both lived up to their reputations.

Mike

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The mystery rifles

July 4 2009, 7:12 PM 

Seems to me that those aren't G41's: I recall that there was a special gebirgsjager rifle, beside the Gew. 33/40, but the information has slipped through that siv in my skull.

If anyone knows the designation, shout out.

Cheers

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Re: The mystery rifles

July 4 2009, 11:53 PM 

G 33/44 didn't have a box mag, and a muzzle similar to the K98.

yep I was thinking it might have been a Mauser built G41, but I couldn't find a pic of one, just the walthers..although I could have checked my old DML weapon set which has both the (W) and (M) models of the G41.

 
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