I believe my mare's sire is fleetwater (tb) does anyone know anything about him.

Hi

There's a lot of them - as we have a decendant of Fleetwater Opposition - he was over Bramshaw way.

They are Trakhners (not sure if I have spelt it right)

Shirley

Thats it fleetwater opposition. My mare is 15.3 dark bay mare. what is the temperament like on your

Hi



I've got a gelding by Opposition, Fleetwater Pot Black. I I would say his temperament is and always has been 'challenging' lololol. He is now 23 and we have had to stop riding him for his own good, he could never 'just' go for a leisurly hack, everything with him has always got to be 'full on'.



In his day he could jump and gallop 'all day' long, he had a huge jump in him and never turned away from anything.



I will try and find a piccy for you to see.





Here we go, sorry it's so huge!!! But, doesn't he look good for 23!! We are told he is the spitting image of his dad.

omg you have just described my mare to a tee. He is beautiful. I wouldn't ride any other hore after owning her. Her paces are fantastic, she jumps like a dream but is very challanging. She has thrown every other rider. with 2 kids under 5 I would love to loan her out but I can't evenget anyony to ride her. after doing some reasearch it seems v.v. likley her sire is this Fleetwater stallion and i am hearing the same about temperament. I will post pic soon. thank you so much for posting

Whereabouts are you based? My son might be able to ride / school her for you if you're local enough.

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Hi,

I have a mare by Utopian Opposition, Fleetwater Opposition's son, from a tb mare I had. Her temperament is good in as much as she doesn't bite or kick but she does have a 'special side' so my friends have nicknamed her 'Princess'.

exactly the same as mine. My mare is like my little pony on the yard. It's the riding thats can be the issue. She is fine with me most of the time. Some days I can turn up look at her & know not to both even trying. Other days she is like a donkey. She is only 15.2 however few horses of the same height can keep up with her due to her lenght of stride

seasprit thanks for offer but i have tried having people to ride her and it has always ended up being a problem. so I have decided not to try anyone else again for a while. New shoes today so i will start her off again for the spring summer months.

Yes, i agree... my boy (above) has never kicked, bitten or done anything 'nasty' but, he is a rather challenging ride. Apparently the Opposition progeny are known for this 'trait'. He has always lived 100% out, but, you could never, ever clip him, he never responded to 'dope' and we always has a suspicion that he was 'cut proud'. I stopped riding him when i had my first child and handed him onto my husband.
One day i was out riding him and he just suddenly decided that he wanted to go home, so he reared bolt upright (like the Lloyds bank horse) and walked backwards on his hindlegs through a barbed wire fence then proceeded to spin round and wrap my legs against him with the wire.... that was the last time i rode him. Unfortunatly after that whenever i tried to bring myself to sit on him he knew i was scared and immediately reared up.. the funny thing he never did with my OH, i think they are just very intelligent.

yes yes yes too bloody clever. If I wear my riding boots and she sees the saddle I can't catch her. I have been known to be over an hour trying to catch her. My mare preferes to be out in fact i bought her at 4 and she was a terrible crib bitter. It only really shows it self as bad as it used to be if she is stressed. So i was told she was stabled alot in her younger years which i don't think she really liked hence wind sucking and crib bitting. i am so please to hear all these stories. I have work on yards been to equine college and have never experienced anything like her. I have never sold her as I felt she was special and would be mis understood. I may not ride much but when I do and when the wind is in the ride dirrection and the moon is an at the right angle she is the most perfect horse. I believe she is very sensitive to other riders if she senses nerves she ditches them.

Its quite comforting in a way that other Opposition's have a quirky nature. I've had issues with riding Caprice but have always put it down to me being not the most confident rider. Mind you, shes always been lovely in a school or enclosed area, its the big wide world that set her off.

I pay a lady to ride her once a week now, who is confident to push her through any problems I've had when riding. Seems to be working so far.

comforting - thats exactly how I feel after 10 yrs of owning her I feel i know her that bit better. won't change much day to day but i feel better knowing she's not the only one.

Its funny how we all seem to have kept them though, even with all the problems. They must have something special, although I'm at a loss some days as to what it is. lol

I know!!! I have bought & sold many horses. But she has caused me more problem & I could never sell her. i always new the others would behave and do well. If she fell in the wrong hands it would be the end of her she is so sensitive, hormonally challenged and a nut job all rolled into one.

She is absolutely stunning!

If you change your mind about finding a rider to help you out, let me know. Sy (my son) is a lightweight 5'7" 19-year-old, has been training for his BHSAI up at Ingestre (Staffordshire) but got homesick for the Forest so came back down! He's at a bit of a loose end, looking for a (local) good training place where he can also earn enough to survive on! Happy to get on almost anything.

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Hi me again

we have a son from Fleetwater Opposition - he is 12 years old and is a stallion himself - he is adorable - partly because the mare died when he was 3 weeks old so he was hand fed as a 3 week old foal.

He is registered as part bred trakhner.

Shirley

Ohh she is lovely. Do you find that if you ride her out on a new route, she is o.k, ears pricked and really enjoys it, but, if you ride her on a route she has been on before she is a nightmare?? Ours was, Jay was o.k if you could keep him interested all the time, but, if he ever got bored he was a 'nightmare', pulling, jogging and he used to tuck his head on his chest and try to scare the living daylights out of all the cars that tried to pass him. lolol

The one thing is though he never , ever failed to get looks.... we reached a decision years ago that we could never, ever sell him... he can be so unpredictable.. and the trouble is so many riders think they are 'experienced riders' and unfortunatly they are not, especially with a horse like Jay. No, he will live out his time here with us and he will be greatly missed when the time eventually comes.

Just to add when we bought him he was 'skin and bones' and i think the woman we got him from realised the only way to could semi-control him was to have him half starved and we suspect 'doped' when people came to try him out, we always thought he should have gone onto great things but his temperament would never have been right.

We always get stoped even at the Barn a lady commented on her & had i bred from her.

Her best trick is sometimes when you put the saddle on, her eyes roll she arches her back like a cat puts her nose in her chest and bounces up and down holding her breath.

However this stops instantly if another horse turns up to ride. it doesn't even start if she goes out with her stable mate.

she loves men the saddler put about six saddles on without a flinch. next day I go down with new saddle and she went nuts again.

when I get on I have to keep my feet out the stirupps until she relaxes. as her back is up like a cat and she flinches with her noes in her chest again. At this point I have to sit as quiet as possible 4 or 5 stides and were off no problem. Some times this happens other times it doesn't. But she feels like a breaker, you feel if you put the leg on she will explode which she has with other people.

People have commented when they have come off they don't know what happened she just disapeared from under them.

Once she has relaxed I have to have my legs on and a good contact. Getting her on the bit, leg yeilding etc calms her down. She is very responsive I ride in a snaffle and her mouth is so soft. I always refer to her as a sports car. Slight excelleration and you are going top speed apply the breaks and she stops ( mostly well eventually)

Mind you other days she would make a 30yr old section d on dope look wild.

The point is like you say just too unpridictable to sell.

seaspirit

Thanks for offer but I couldn't afford to pay anyone to ride her she costs us too much as it is. Best of luck to your son.

If you want to know more about the Fleetwater stallions then speak to Jane Trafford - I unfortunately dont have a contact number for her but she may be advertising on this site somewhere, I know she teaches.

I think he would do it for free at the minute! He keeps badgering me to get onto our half-broke / part-broke ones, but I'm not supposed to be doing anything which might be risky (such as holding nutty animals) yet!

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Hi Everyone,

I found this chatter about Fleetwater horses and I would like to take this chance to point you all towards www.fleetwaterstud.co.uk. The stud that bred Fleetwater Opposition is still there in Minstead in the New Forest, although now on a smaller scale, but the bloodlines are still there. Jane who runs the stud, with her sister originally bred Fleetwater Opposition and they continue to breed horses now. If you would like to talk with them about your horse, please visit the website for their contact details, they would love to hear from you.

Best regards Alice (Janes Daughter)

Also, look out for Fleetwater on www.facebook.com, www.youtube.com/fleetwater and twitter.com/fleetwater

Fleetwater Opposition has been dead for a while but I believe there is still frozen semen available. Utopian Opposition (son) stands at Landford Common Stud, Plaitford:
http://www.landfordcommonstud.co.uk/