The fun of using an adjustable trigger depends a lot on how quick, easy, and reliable it is to adjust, and that depends a lot on the clarity and accuracy of the adustment instructions provided with it. So in working toward last week's reintroduction of the Generation-II GTX, I tried to give careful thought to finding a good way to organize the Adjustment Guide.
The best organization seemed to be suggested by the logical sequence of adjustment of the two GTX screws: Primary first, then Secondary, because adjusting the Primary affects the setting of the Secondary but the reverse effect doesn't happen. So if a good setting for the Primary screw is found first, the Secondary can then be fine-tuned without losing and having to revisit and retweak the Primary setting. This natural approach seems to working well, because so far feedback from GTX users is favorable, saying the Guide is straightforward and makes GTX tuning quick and easy.
However, it's come to my attention that the adjustment instructions provided for the copy of the GTX the "fishy guy" sells are very different from mine. In fact, they're so confused that they get the proper sequence of screw adjustments completely backwards.
I don't think airgunners should suffer simply because they had the bad luck to buy their GTX style trigger from a guy who didn't understand the design he stole well enough to write proper adjustment instructions for it. So this post is for them - to suggest a better way to optmize their triggers.
Please feel free to use these - with my compliments.
(Note that you'll need a screwdriver instead of an Allen wrench for Primary screw adjustment, which can be annoying when the gun is assembled and the trigger guard gets in the way. Unforunately, (unlike the GTX which I supply with a right-angle Allen wrench) I don't know of an easy solution for this - unless you have a right-angle screwdriver handy - or want to drill an access hole in the guard.)
This message has been edited by pneuguy on Apr 9, 2009 9:24 PM
Is there a diagram or a series of them that shows how the 1st and 2nd stage screws interact with the strut and the sear in the working stages of the trigger assembly?
I think that would go a long ways towards showing how the benefits of a smoothed or polished screw end like yours makes a difference as well as act as an educational lesson for anyone not really familiar with how the parts work together.
Plus, I just like to see how it all works. The closup pics of the business end of the sear before and after the release (break) are nice too.
Do you recommed any lubricants be used? Or is it not neccessary?
Thanks for that.
This message has been edited by Revwarnut on Apr 10, 2009 3:45 PM
The GTX has no "1st" and "2nd" stage screws - they're a stupid myth courtesy of.
April 10 2009, 4:18 PM
...the fishy guy, which I should have corrected years ago.
The Primary screw adjusts the relationship between the transition between 1st and 2nd stages relative to the end of engagement and the point of alignment of the edges of the Strut and Sear.
This principle of operation has been exactly the same since long before the GTX existed, when I (with James Perotti's help) first started experimenting with Gamo trigger inserts, as illustrated in this sequence from 2004. Note that here I called it the "Creep Adust" screw.
Yup. And it was just few months after that that I designed and paid to have manufactured
April 10 2009, 6:11 PM
...the GTX-I replacement blade (on the right in this scale drawing). Those were first sold in September 2004.
When the Mk-Is sold out, I then did the same with the GTX-II (shown on the left). That design (which was the one stolen) was sold with only minor (e.g., cosmetic) mod's from early '05, until last week.
PS: I forgot to mention - notice that nowhere in those links is there any mention...
April 11 2009, 10:37 AM
...hint nor smell whatsoever of fish.
That came later - when I realized that only if the technology was available commercially would a significant number of Gamo shooters have access to it, and so went looking for somebody with a website to retail it.
Last year, before I knew the story, I bought the copy. It's still in the envelope, untouched. Are you going to set up a rehab program for copycats?
I've got 2 of your triggers from AoA and will need 4 more. Nice work and you picked a good outfit to market them for you in AoA. They are a good bunch of guys who have been more than fair with me in past transactions.
I've been enjoying this play out as I am one of the "banned" for posting too many tuning "secrets" and "stealing" business which is not really accurate as I am a self-taught home tuner for my guns only.
totally banned with page stating so. If I fire up a little program, I can surf that site anytime I please. I could even open an account and post if I wanted to.....nah! I visit it to look for signs of intelligent life and any tuning info that gets by the "censors."
Now, now, Rich. Not so fast. DaFishie and friend may never have had...
April 16 2009, 9:19 PM
...an original airgun idea - nor even understood the ones they've "borrowed". But give credit where it's due. You have to admit that their creativity is prettymuch unsurpassed when it comes to dodging the truth and hoodwinking fools.
Not to mention how imaginatively they whine about how cruelly we meanies on the Yellow talk about them. For example...
"Rich...aka: peterdraggin ... you are being warned ... There will not be any flaming or gutting of anybody by anybody."
"Steve... has continuously badgered and hammered ... flamed ... gutting him and trying to kill Gene's dreams ... kicking and beating and clubbing "
"Gutting?" "Hammered?!" "Killing dreams?!!" "Kicking and beating and clubbing!!!?" Wow. Come on, Rich. You have to admit - that's pretty darn creative.
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about that, not too many moons ago someone mentioned on the other channel how they had honed the cfx's rotary trough's sharp edge that is towards the breech for easier pellet insert and POW!!!!!!! he got slammed on how he was just another airgun experimantalist who had no lab results and data to back it up, and if people wanted to try it, it would surely ruin there guns.
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