Hi everyone!
I found this forum since last year, but I didn't have enough time and patience to follow any program. Besides, I had no money for commercial pills, I couldn't find helpful herbs in my countries, and if I had ordered the herbs online, 90% they would have never shown up due to complicated and annoying custom policies. Therefore I had to quit after 2 months with grow yours ( I did increase about 1/2inch but when I stopped it went away really fast) and desperately hope that if I had a chance to study abroad, I would try NBE.
Though I did not follow any program, I still tried to keep massage my breast when I had free time and reading for new information on this forum.
My hope was recalled this year when I incidentally saw fenugreek powder at a imported product shop. I tried to look for other herbs but the shop didn't have. Luckily, my boyfriend said he could ask his friends in other countries to buy and bring them home for me (though he doesn't know what the herbs are for). I was so excited! I decide to start my program immediately when waiting for the herbs to arrive. I started with GrowYours again for about 1 month. My breasts are slightly fuller and I had little lactation. But this result didn't last long. Then I switched to Feingshui's massage technique because I'm Asian and it doesn't requires such a long time of massage each day as GY. After about 20 days, I feel that my breast is bigger or at least fuller. I will take picture or measure when I see some obvious difference.
Today I decide to start my program page to motivate me to carry on and never give up. It would be lovely if you come by and leave some comments.
About myself:
Asian
Age: I have just turned 23 a few days ago
Body type: supper thin (I'm 1m67 tall and only 48kg weigh)
Boobie size: 32AAAAAAAAAAA
Gene: My mother and my sister all have small breasts.
My bood started to develop since I was only 12 years old. At that time, my breasts were bigger than all my classmates and I was supposed to have big breasts. But then they stopped growing. I didn't pay much attention to them because all I knew is studying and studying (it's quite common for children in my country to know nothing but studying). Only when I was about 17 or 18, I realized that I have flat chest but I thought they would grow when I was a bit older. During my puberty, I was always supper thin. Maybe that's why my breasts couldn't grow. I always had to use padded bra.
I always thought my small breasts were the only obstacle for me to have perfect life. That's why I always hated them. I hated looking at them to see even no shadow . I hated touching them to feel no tissue. I always had to hide them by paddle bras and felt so bad when someone mentioned about breast topics. I always told myself that when I had padded bras, I was beautiful. Without padded bras, no man would ever see me like a women.
Only until I read though this forum and figure out that there are many small breast women, just like me, who are still confident and enjoy their life, have I learned how to self-love. I'm trying to convince myself that even if my breasts are small, they are still beautiful and precious. They are mine. I love them no matter what size they are. However, because it's only at the beginning, sometimes it's hard for me to force myself to think so.
My program:
1st Step: Get used to NBE (while waiting for other stuffs) : from 19 April 2009
1. 1-2 glass of soy, 1 bowl of chicken feet (4-8) soup/ green papaya with pig foot/pork rib each day
3. Breakfast with 8-treasure soup ( 2-3 per week) to improve health
4. Eat as much of DO food as possible.
5. Massage: Baby oil + Chinese program combined: twice a day (20min at least each).
6. Drink as much of water as possible
7. Go to bed earlier.
8. Reduce any kind of stress + positive thinking
2nd Step: Expected Routine for the 1st month
9. fenugreek – 1800mg
10. saw palmetto – 1000mg
11. wild yam/ wild yam root – 500mg
12. red clover – 1000mg
13. 1 glass of soy, 1 bowl of chicken feet (4-8) soup/ green papaya with pig foot/pork rib each day
14. 1 big glass of water, lemon juice and salt each morning when get up.
15. Eat as much of DO food as possible.
16. Lotion: oatstraw, hops, flaxseed, barley grass with borage oil or just baby oil
17. Massage: Chinese program combined
Today, I feel like I have to measure. And I grow, not so much, just about 1cm, but it's enough for me to carry on hoping.
My herbs are supposed to arrtive soon. I will keep this page update regularly.
This message has been edited by OptimisticGirl on May 15, 2009 1:39 PM
Hey girl, i found ur program quite interesting because it seems we have approximately equal size and height.
I'm 1m67. 22years old.
bra size is 32aa.
both my mum and older sis have small breast before having children.
I haven't started NBE yet. i will see your program as reference.
^^ Thank you for passing by. Welcome abroad!
I'm from Vietnam, a small country near China.
I'm not sure if I have hormone imbalance or not because I just took the online test and it turned out to be normal.
You may be with me on this program if you find it suitable for you. Actually, my program is based on my condition and body and I haven't seen many results from it. After 2 months if it won't show any positive signs, I will adjust it.
I'm just a newbie like you so it would be grate if we can be friend ^^
Last night, after massaging I measured my breast because I thought maybe they only looked bigger due to swelling. But this morning I measure (after 10h), I still have the same size. I hope that doesn't mean I didn't massage with enough pressure but that means I have some increase. ^^
Today I will try to massage with other than just baby oil. My herbs haven't arrived yet, so I will mix some things that I can find at the imported product shop. Perhaps it will give some effect, who know!
My mixture will be: extra virgin olive oil, fenugreek powder, almond powder, collagen cream, vitamin E. I will try this till my herbs arrive which will be at least 3 weeks. Hope it helps!
@ Mrshuy: I have sent you an email in which I write my yahoo nick. Nice to meet you ^_^
I have my mixture done today. I will let it sit for 3 days before using. My herbs will arrive on 13 June which means I have to wait for another month. Poor me!
Hope that massage and eating boobie foods may help somehow. I add 1 egg per day to my program. Last night, I was so sleepy that I didn't massage. I only massaged once in the afternoon yesterday for about 20mins. Hope that will not affect my growth.
I'm about to use heating pad also.
Last night, before going to bed I did a short massage. I looked at the mirror and wondered, did my sweethearts increase a little bit? I had felt the fullness for several days before. Then I decided to take picture. When compared it with the picture I took on my second day with NBE, I saw the difference!! The two picture looked almost the same except for a slightly bigger boobs in the second one. I had to look at them carefully for several time to believe in what I saw. So great!!!!!
I will try to keep my speed!!!
C cup, I'm on my way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I measured this morning and it showed that I had an increase of about 1/2 inch - 3/4 inch. My breasts definitely look fuller and more perky and it hurts a little bit when I touch them. My nipples are bigger, too, but I can live with that ^_^!!!
Let's see after my period, which is coming next week, how many inch will stay with me. I hope I will have 1/4 inch left, so that if I keep up my speed, by the end of this year I will have 2 inch!!!
Yay!!!!
Wish me luck!!!!
Update to my program:
I add 1 egg, 1 yogurt and avocado or bananas to my boobie food list everyday. I also indirectly use heating pad before and after massage ( 5 min before and 5 min after). And I have used my herbal mixture at night for a few days.
Ramp-Up Method
Start on day one. Go by 500mg steps 3 times per day. i.e. Ramp to 500 mg three times per day in month one. Maintain levels and evaluate growth signs (aches and deep itches). Ramp to 1000 mg three times per day in month 2. Maintain and evaluate growth signs. etc.
The following is in either 500mg or 575mg capsules. If you use Greenbush's 575 mg capsules, watch out for the total daily amount of each herb!
**The herbs should be taken on an empty stomach if possible, so "with meals" is discouraged. 30 minutes after a meal is better. The Borage oil should be taken last thing at night before bedtime. The last dosage for the day is better taken at that time.
1 = one per day 30 minutes before breakfast.
2 = two per day, one before breakfast, one before lunch.
3 = three per day, one before breakfast, one before lunch, one before dinner or before retiring. (preferably before retiring)
4 = two before breakfast, one before lunch, one before dinner or before retiring. (preferably before retiring)
5 = two before breakfast, two before lunch, one before dinner or before retiring. (preferably before retiring)
etc.
etc.
etc.
For Greenbush capsules, I would say that 5 per day is a good stopping point for estrogenic herbs. Always ramp fenugreek first. WY may not be necessary by the time you get to it.
Here is the method of ramping up.
Day...FG...SP...WY
1.......1.....0.....0
2.......2.....0.....0
3.......3.....0.....0
4.......3.....0.....0
5.......3.....1.....0
6.......3.....2.....0
7.......3.....3.....0
8.......3.....3.....0
9.......3.....3.....1
10.....3.....3.....2
11.....3.....3.....3
12.....3.....3.....3
13.....3.....3.....3 Stay at this level for a week or so and evaluate any feelings of growth.
14.....3.....3.....3
15.....3.....3.....3
16.....3.....3.....3
17.....3.....3.....3
18 Skip this day. This is just an example. I'll explain it below.
19.....3.....3.....3 If no signs of growth, resume. If signs of growth, go only slightly further.
20.....4.....3.....3
21.....5.....3.....3
22.....6.....3.....3
Here is the rest of the pattern:
This is just an example because how far you go depends on:
* How many mg's per capsule you are using,
* What your maximum dosages are for estrogenic herbs.
For example, if your max is 3000mg and you are using Greenbush capsules (575mg) then you do not want to exceed 5 capsules per day (2875 mg) per estrogenic herb. The estrogenic herbs that I have in mind are Fenugreek, Fennel and Wild Yam. Galega and Red Clover are also estrogenic but the dosages for those are different (lower).
You should be OK at around 3000 mg per day as a 32B. I don't know what the differences are between a U.K 32B and a U.S. 32B.
The idea is to ramp up until you feel "growing pains" which could be deep aches, itches, etc. When you feel those strongly, stay at the dosage that caused them until you grow some. When you grow (like 1/2 inch, and your growing pains disappear, you will have enough new tissue that you need more herbs to support it, so you ramp up a little further until the growing pains return.
Not everyone feels growing pains, so if you find that you are in that category, then you stick with your maximum dosages for 6 months. The other choice is to try different things to get the growing pains, but again, if you are one of those that grows without necessarily feeling growing pains, then you are in for some frustration trying to get them. But there are those who do search around and try different things and then get growing pains, so it all depends on what you want to do. Personally, I think seeking the growing pains is the best way to go.
Regarding "day 18." Skipping this day is to facilitate the LH spike and to clear receptors. It is not always day 18 for everyone but it's the best guess because it is really more of a prediction. This day is calculated from the total number of days from the previous cycle minus 14 days. So, if you have a 28 day cycle, 28 - 14 is 14. You would take nothing on day 14 in this case. I always wonder if 14 is a little too early. It could be that subtracting 10 days is better for some. Whatever works for you is best.
This message has been edited by OptimisticGirl on May 15, 2009 4:06 PM
I was looking at your program, and I think pills should be taken either 30 minutes before a meal or 2 hours after a meal, because it will take some time to digest your food. Depending on how fast your metablism is, your food will take some time before it is removed from your stomach.
Dear Wahaika,
Can you please tell me why vitex will stop my growth? :(
I heard that it does good for many people with PMS. Some of my friends are thinking of trying vitex for NBE as well.
Vitex raises dopamine levels. Dopamine inhibits prolactin. Prolactin is one of those hormones that is helpful for BE.
Vitex for PMS can be very good, but that is different than NBE. Progesterone cream is also good for balance if estrogen is too dominant, especially in menopause, but that is different from NBE.
thank you so much for that valuable information ^_^
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Today is my "smallest day" - 5th day of my cycle. I woke up in the morning and was a little bit worried that all my increase would gone away. But then I told myself that I did have real growth. I believed that it absolutely wasn't swelling or something like that. And even if my increase has gone away, then it would not be the end of the world. It's just the 1st month, and many successful gals had no increase at their 1st month with NBE.
And I measured. I had to measure for about 10 times, and even take picture to believe that I still have some increase. My breasts in the picture look slightly bigger than the one I took last month at my second day of my cycle ( angle and light in the two pictures are the same). There is about 1cm (more than 1/3 inch) increase (at nipple). That is so great!!!
Update about my program:
1. Massage with fenugreek + olive oil for 20 mins (I will add borage oil when it arrives). My collagen cream has mineral oil so I don't use it anymore.
2. 2 caps of EPO - 2000mg in the morning and before bed time
3. 1 cap of vitamin E in the morning
4. 1 cap of Iron folic acid in the morning
5. Boobie foods: chicken feet soup (4-5 feet), avocado + milk shake or bananas, 1 egg, 1 yogurt, 2-3 glass of soy milk, 1 bowl of fermented rice every 2 days, 2-3 bowls of 8-treasure soup/ a week.
Waiting for my herbs to arrive next month. In the mean time, I will try to gain another 1cm ^_^. Hope that herbs will make me grow even faster!
I was 2 days off from chicken feet soup. Just want to take a break.
I added 1 teaspoon of fenugreek powder in the morning. Don't know how much each teaspoon is, just try adding some thing to see if any growing pain comes. Maybe 600-700mg.
I thought that I have some growth due to weight gain ( I gained 2kg from where I started). However, about 2-3 weeks recently, my weight doesn't increase and my breasts still keep growing. Just a little bit, about 1/8-1/4 inch, but that really encourages me to continue my program.
My herbs will arrive late :(, so sad... anyway, I will have to wait for the digital scale and I'm still growing well with my current program, so... it's ok... I can wait...
My herbs have arrived. Today I stop taking any kinds of herbs or vitamin. I start drinking water + salt + lime in the morning when I wake up. I will start over my program when my "1st day" comes.
Wish me luck!!
My growth seems to stop :|, though I get one more kg weight :( My belly is growing terribly, so I have to start to exercise and reduce the amount of food and herbs at night. Hope that help!
I'm vietnamese too .Can you tell me the address that sell fenugreek in viet nam ?I have found barley and wild yam in Thuoc Bac street .They are very cheap .Can i add you to my yahoo messenger so we can easily contact.
i am vietnamese too, so glad to see vnmese here.i am new to this website and have no idea where should i start, what herbs should i take , can you help me ? thanks in advance^^
Hi mei!
Sorry for late reply, I have not been around for several months. I was so busy that I had to quit NBE.
About herbs, I had FG at 66 Ba Trieu, an imported shop. The rest of them I had to order from the US, so the price was quite high. I used the powder form, they worked for me, but their smell and taste were really awful. So if you want to try, buy them in capsules.
I have kept some of my growth after 5 month of doing nothing with NBE. In 3 month I grew about 1 inch. Now only 1/2 inch left with me.
I will start my new program because I can't stand the powder herbs any more. I'm waiting for my noogleberry and PM to arrive, hope that it will not be so long.
My new program will be:
Morning - 7 a.m
1 cap of Vit C
1 cap of Canxi
1 cap of Fe
1 cap of PM
1 cap of BO
Noggle before going to work (15mins) + massage with PM cream
1 bowl of chicken feet as breakfast
Afternoon - 3p.m
1 cap of BO
1 egg
Evening - 10 p.m
1 cap of EPO
1 cap of PM
Noogle + massage with PM cream
With PM capsules: 15 on/ 15 off, start at the first day of my circle.
Drink lots of water, eat as many of boobie food as possible, positive thinking, go to bed early, no coffee, no junk food, reduce sugar and salt.
I will try to keep my program simple so that I can stick with it longer.