Today a birdy out in Kharkov called us early :-( on the GSM phone. He lives in Kharkov part time, as he work there with his establishment as a resuarantowner in the spring and summers.He is an older friend of us.We sent him to some of the better and famous scam Kharkovagencies just to test their work and how they co-operate with the girls,and also to witness the scamoperation in action (under the surface) we also had a couple of guys going there erlier this year just to act like they searched for serious marriageminded women :-) or :-(

Anyway he called us later to explain his sexual escapades with Arina and Marina wich he found in one of Kharkovs scam escortagencies.No need to mention their names, but i think you guys read before which the best Kharkovagencies are for this line of work :-) All are good at this but some are better.She was just one of the many working girls in Kharkov (but this one was in his taste) So he decided to take her for a walk.They partied all night,they got all worked up, and he was thinking "damn this is a "real f u c k i n prostitute" working with several guys at a time.Her GSM phone was ringing frequently.Later at night she got so drunk that she spoke a "little too much" as they got on real well talking and later screwing the rest of the night.She also accidently told some about the guys working in the several Kharkov mafia teamagencies like photographers,system admin,webcontrollers, webdesigners they all have pretty much work, basically all had jumped her bone too.WHAT A SURPRISE (but not really) this is the agencies scam work acting as one to one intruduction dating agencies, while in fact they are hired workinggirls to party with for money.One of the several agencyworkers which even know my friend has reported and confirmed this is their business, their celluar phones are ringing pretty often so you better book a time now if you want Arina :-)

This is the same all over major cities in Ukraine and Russia, book them trough mafia scamagencies or on ICQ chatprogram or where ever you find these contacts it really doesn't matter they are the mafia and this is the big business that is going on in Ukraine right now.

Welcome to Ukraine ;-)

Hope you find a good prostitute

Sincerely

Godfather

Ok, in this post I understand what you're saying, Godfather. Hence, I wonder: are there two godfathers on this board? Is one impersonating another?

I mean this Godfather does soung like a genuine Godfather. He sounds like a native speaker of English. So what about that other one? He sounds nothing like this one:)))))

Ok, well that's besides the point.

My reply to this post is:

Ok, so basically you're saying that everything is ruled by Mafia throughout FSU? Ok. So, like...there's lots of scamagencies, lots of businesses that scam american and european men into coming and wasting money and time on those prostitutes. I see now.
As a matter of fact, I agree with you. And that little story is a good description of how these scams are working.
So, what now? Is this discussion over? Or tomorrow you'll tell everyone here about yet another case of marriagescam?
I mean, what's the point, man? You're dedicating your life to telling people tales of corruption and deceit that are taking place in some/all post-soviet republics?
Point well taken. Those of us who have a brain will stay off russian marriageagencies. Others will still fall victims to these scams out of their own stupidity.
You're repeating yourself over and over. It's like you have an idea fix about the whole thing.

Stop or....become insane.

Do you believe one person could be dr jekyll & mr hyde? *LOL*

Sincerely

Godfather

I believe in miracles

My friend here is bull****ing you Igor.Never mind him :-)Yeah this is the truth about you Igor and the other mafia posters.Stop posting here :-)

Respectfully

Godfather

Who's bull....ting who? I don't understand again.

Who gave you right to call me mafia poster?

You don't make sense at all. I guess it's again you Gdofather's impostor.

Well, from now on I will not respond to your posts.

I know how to discriminate between you and a real Godfather, so back off .itch!

Good, back off!!!!!!

Mr Godfather.

You are terrible man for spreading the lies and write the bad and dirty words about the women in my country.

i could write your american women are all dirty prostitutes to sleep with the men as young as the 11 without the marriage, I could write about the pornographie adult women who sex with the men for viewing pleasure of your hollywood. I could write the women who have the sex with the five men at a time.

The american women are dirty women. maybe your wife. your mother your sister. it is shameful you have the family of the prostitutes.

But i do not write the insult to you because it is rude lies if I do not know the prostitute women of your family who pays for their sexiness.

BUt you tell me my mother, my sister, my daughter my aunt and my friends women are the prostitute and you tell these lies about them.

shame on you.

the women of my country are very good mothers and wives for their men. if you come to my country and visit the prostitute it is for your dirty need, you can not go to the home and tell the people all the women are this way. if I come to visit your place and tell the prostitute I want it and then go home and tell my friend and people all your american women are prostitute it is not the different.

shame on you for your lies.

if you came to my place i would kill you like the dog for the insults.

you are very bad man.

If i'm the "bad man" here Dimitri,What would you name these other criminals & bad guys pulling the strings on this real dirty big scam.

Not much more then the true bitter facts Dimitri.

Respectfully

Godfather

The agencies lie to you as they lie to the women. the marriage agency is tradition in my countries from the bad war of afghanistan and chechnya many men are dead. The friends of the girl family who they would marry in traditional way are gone. the marriage agency was for the girl to find the russian man from other town.

the big american greedy men come to the russia and see the pretty girl, they buy the names of the girl to sell to the american men. they tell the agency owner you sell us the girl address we give you the dollar. the agency owner is the poor they take the money. the american agency take the girl name and the photo and charge the big dollar to sell to many american men. the girl recieve the letter many years after she meet the russian man at the agency. she has no wish of such letter. she does not write. the american agent man make the lies to sell the business and make their greed.

then the men see the dollar the american is making and decide they want their own dollar. the sell the name direct. many girl wish not to write to the american men, they want to be with the family and the friend in the home town. they marry nice russian boy. the agency sell their picture and write letter for them then make the lies the girl is not in town when the man arrive and introduce the man to other girl. the man is desperato. he meet the girl. the girl is maybe drug user or criminal. or prostitute. the agency pay their time and tell them you meet rich western man, he buy you present. we pay you money you have the sex with him and tell him you want teh children the family. some the girl like the man the little and see new life in west. their russian boyfriend is already there. they go with the man for the better life.

but the girl photo and the girl name on the site is of nice russian girl who is married. she know nothing about the lie of the agency.

I know the several women on the big site. the russianbride the foreigns affairs who are the married women with the children the happyness of their russia man. they not know the photo is made for the american men. the photoman pay for them to be the model. the girl liek to be the cindy crawford. the agent make the photo and get the 10 dollar for the day. the photomaker sell the photo with teh fake address.


so the lies are not the girl fault. you make all these bad names for the girls. the "scam" you have is made by men. not the women. there is no woman invovled. if you speak with women on phone she is paid worker not for the woman in the picture made.

it is not the paid worker woman fault. she is poor. she has family to feed. the agency man tell her=. you read this story to the man and we pay you the 20 dollar. the woman can feed the children. is this bad blame. she knows she does nothing wrong. she know nothing of agency business. most russian women know the nothing.

I am the poilice officer in the Ukraine. I see the men they come here. i know that this is bad situation. i tell you fact it is maybe not all mafia. mafia is guns and drugs and the sex workers in the amsterdam the londron the new york. the mafia they kidnap the women, they tell them they have new job in west. they sell woman in the turkey the israel for the 1000 dollar. if the woman meet the american man at the agency the agency make the 2000 dollar. the prostutue woman are the cheap export.

but you do not tell me the all women are this way. this is small people in my country of many population. there is as many of the scam people in the american who make the money from you. they pay the russian employee nothing of the scam. you see small side to my country. the women of my country are very good. they have no noledge of the all sex trade and marriage bsuness. they take the small money for the simple job. sometime they are paid to write the letter. the agency tell them it is pen pal not for marriage. these women are poor. they cannot feed the children. many men are killed in war.

do not call all the women the bad names. you know nothing of my country. it people. all you see is the lie and propaganda by the big american agency owner. i read the board. the russia bride. american. the lifetime partner. american. it american greed who steal your monbey. the russian very poor from it.

I make my point clear. we welcome the tourist. bring your family. it is safe here. everyone make you welcome. help you see the nice places. it is not expensive place for the holidat.

the intourist travel agency have office in the big american city. it is official tourist agent of the country. it is honest business. you fly to moscow very cheap with the airline and get the good prices.

I wish you the happy stay in my country. please do not be think the lies the agency and the people write about our women. the honest the women do not know of this. my brother daughter marries the englishman. i introduce them. he is the nice man. he work for the government to help the people of my country with the law. he stay at my home and he meet my brother daughter. she fall in love with him. they are happy. he stay in ukraine. she would not wish the agency or the american but the good husband. he understand the culturue the women wish here and he is happy and he is welcome. if you have honest wish for the women of my country you must do like england man and stay with nice family and meet nice girl who not drink the alcohol or go to the bar or do the sex before the marriage. the good family girl not in the agency. but at the home.

forgive my poor engliush. i study this many year for help in ym work and the tourisms of the country.

I wish you good health.

Dmitri

If you are policeman, then why do you not work to shut the scammer agencies down???

Tourism is your country will stink untill the corruption is dealt with.

In the meantime these posts of men who have gone there and have been treated not like tourists but like idiots with bags of money in search of sex slaves does make the average tourist think.

BTW. I know nothing of whores in the Ukraine nor here, not my style. But one thng for sure it is illegal here and guys go to jail and are photgraphed if they are caught trying to buy one. Is prostitution legal in the Ukraine?

That was a very good joke Dmitri, when we read this we laughed our @sses off:-D (sorry)It was very funny.

We speak about scammers who are adverticing women with a picture thru the internet in ukraine or russia(not the average working russian joe)And those workinggirls are part of the scam and payed for it.The family in this case is very big :-))

So many folks can't be wrong:

http://rwguide.com/discus/messages/670/1798.html?1003652922

Name: Olesya Melnik
Her aliases:
Her primary e-mail address:olesya3@mail.ru
Her secondary e-mail address:
Her country:Ukraine
Her city:Kharkov, Chugyev
Her address:
Her phone number:380574626060
Her Agency:formerly at Confidential Communications


MODUS OPERANDI:
Running the Visa and Travel Scenarios. Olesya was formerly associated as a "trip coordinator" with Confidential Communications but solicited its clients without permission and scammed them. She has been "fired" from CC but continues to be very active.

Dmitri,
None of us here have any problems with honest women, from your country or any country.

I don't recall any one on this forum calling *all Ukrainian women* dirty, or prostitutes.

Bad things written on this message board, were written about specific Ukrainian and Russian women, and women who scam Western men.

Honest women, no one has a problem with.
Dishonest women, yes -- many people have problems with them.

Dishonest men in your country, who use innocent women to scam men over here -- we have a problem with them also.
It is a fact that there are marriage agencies over there, and translation agencies over there, run by Russian and Ukrainian people, that are ripping off people. Don't blame it all on "the big greedy American men". Most big greedy American men find it much easier to stay here in America, and rip off people here, without leaving the country.
I know you probably feel like all your countrymen are being attacked, but that is not the case.

Otherwise, much of what you write is very insightful, and your English is excellent.

Joe Six Pack

In fairness, I should add this to my last post:

If there are indeed American men involved in these marriage agencies, as you say -- making money ripping off other Americans and westerners.... I have a problem with them also.

if you insist on doing business with a marrige company, why dont you just go with the best, euro-connections? all the companies are just in it for the money. at least you know the steckel brothers are legit. the fastest way to put these over seas co. and fly by nighters like the ones advertised in usa today, is going american only. you cant do much if a foreign office takes your money. when you call them, it seems their never open. do business with who ever you want, its your money.