Right, you want some f ucking truth Ill give it to you.
In my experience most scammed men are scammed for the following reasons.
They just sit at home writing sad letters all day because they are too SCARED to pony up and leave the trailer for Ukraine. Or outside the trailer park for that matter.
They write to teenage girls and tell them a string of LIES, when they are usually middleaged old f uck ups who no western women would touch.
Their EGOS actually get off on having cute russian college girls writing to them because they think they are actually INTERESTED IN THEM. get real, if you havent got a line of college girls lining up outside your house at home waiting to get jiggy it aint going to happen in Ukraine. Ukraine women are another nationality, not from another planet.
You get scammed becasue all you do is sit writing letters all day, the girls have no respect for you because you are not man enough to show your face
THEREFORE
you deserve to PAY for their time since IT IS YOU that is WASTING IT.
you pay for them to write letters to flatter your ego, you are not being scammed you are using a service.
If you are a 40 year old guy and you go to Ukraine trying to get a 20 year old to marry you convinced that it is their "culture" to marry dried up old hasbeens, you are LYING TO YOURSELF!.
go to any cinema, bowling alley or park and look at the couples, young girls with young guys. Its not hard to spot that you ARE DIFFERENT.
if she does come with you, she does not love you, you have a business arrangement, you bring her to west and given her money, she maybe does some housework and tolerates minimal sex with you for a couple of years until some college jock comes along to take your place.
To her you both get want you want, face it. if you think she loves you, you need serious therapy.
The bigger the age gap, the less attractive you are to other women, the more she is going to want in "compensation" for tolerating you.
Anastassia is right, a genuine Ukraine woman will love you like nothing you can imagine even if you are poor, thats why they carry on working while their men sit on their arses drinking vodka. for love. But that is because their men, are
Strong men.
Real men.
Not a bunch of whining "shes scamming me! poor me" girls.
A Ukraine man takes charge of his woman, they scam you because you are weak, if you are weak in Ukraine culture you deserve to get s hit on, its your own fault for being so stupid.
If your Ukraine woman has an affair, you cry and bleat on the boards how terrible life is. If a woman in Ukraine has an affair her husband kills the other man and probably her.
A woman only has an affair if you arent man enough to keep her in line, if she does not respect you, and you let her walk on you, dont expect fidelity.
Most ukraine and Russian women dont care what nationality their man is, with the exception of arabs who treat women like animals. What they care is that you are a REAL MAN.
A real man would NEVER bring his personal life into the view of a bunch of strangers, let along write his personal life on a message board. YOu are all weak, therefore the victims of your own misery.
You have NO UNDERSTANDING of UKRAINE CULTURE> you just want some barbie doll to make you look less sad in front of your more successful peers.
Instead of integrating with their culture, you want them to be some "traditional woman" who is your slave.
They are smarter than you, better educated than you, more cultured than you. instead of bleating how "backwards" Ukraine is you should try getting to know the real country and its people.
Your woman will not love you if you show no interest in her culture and society. I love Ukraine. I like the people.
Ukraine women want PASSION.
if you were satisfying her in bed, she wouldnt have the ENERGY to go elsewhere. If she respected you she would keep to your word.
You are mean with money.
Ukraine WOmen like GENEROUSITY. if you are rich you should spend your money on them. that is what it is there for. She will love you when you are poor, but only if you give without question when you are rich.
if you cry over giving some girl 200 measly bucks you are selfish and dont deserve a relationship.
You are sexually incompatible.
Ukraine women like sex, if you were a sh it lover to your western woman you will pay the price with a Ukraine one. Ukraine women are very sexual creatures, they will only reward you with fidelity if you treat their body like a temple. They want you to go like a steam train and treat them like a woman should be treated, they are not backwards little virgins who are happy with a quick poke before you fall asleep.
I could go on and on and on, but all you ****ing guys are going to do is say "thats all bull**** all Ukraine women are on the make" yada yada yada
You ARE LYING TO YOURSELVES. WAKE UP AND LOOK AT THE TRUTH!
Anastassia is right, you are weak, and that is the reason no woman wants you. look at yourselves in the mirror. If you are a charmlass pile of sh it no Ukraine woman will want you.
Do NOT BELIEVE what the agencies tell you about UKraine men, they know how to charm their women, that is why they can have so many mistresses and still have them ask for more.
If you are not a STRONG man you will not FIGHT to protect the interests of your family and it will not survive.
If you are not prepared to kill anyman who would harm your woman you are going to the wrong country. Your woman wants to feel safe with you and know you will FIGHT FOR HER.
so what do you do, sit about on boards like this all day crying, mummy, i want a girlfriend, she stole my sweetie money so she could feed her children. blah blah blah.
F UCK OFF WITH YOUR WHINING!
The men that succeed are ALREADY SUCCESSFUL. they are rich, they know how to treat a woman, they sexually satisfy her, they spend money on her without question, they charm her, they amuse her, they protect her.
BUT.
They are in charge of her. They earn her respect and keep it by not letting her "BE THE MAN". Ukraine women want to be women and they want their men to be be men, but when their men do not behave as men they become the man and treat their man like a woman.
I am 28 years old. My wife is 22. we have been married 2 years. I spent years travelling in the eastern bloc when it was under sovyet rule.
let me tell you I had scores of women before I married by Ukraine wife, I CHOSE to marry a Ukraine wife because I like the culture our relationship has because of it. I like the boundaries, I like being a REAL MAN and having a REAL WOMAN. I did not get a Ukraine wife because they "SOLD THEM ON THE INTERNET AND IT WAS A CHEAPER VIRTUAL W ANK THAN A SUBSCRIPTION TO PLAYBOY".
And let me tell you I spend about 20000 dollars a year just on her clothes, why? because she is my WIFE and it is my DUTY to provide for her. She knows if she stays in line she has a good life so she doesnt need to look elsewhere, I do not complain about the money she spends because it is her right.
To Anastassia.
i appreciate some of the points you made here,your man probably got what he deserved, if he had any backbone he would have shot your lover through the head and taken his belt to you, but why these whining ****s seem to think they are owed something by the women "because they brought them to america" and they should Be GRATEFUL and they can behave like spineless wimps I do not know.
You are clearly a bunch of ****ing losers who really cant cut it with any sort of woman, so why you think you can just ride into Ukraine, where the women are the most CHALLENGING of any nationality to a mans abilities I do not know.
listen to the godfather.
FORGET THE AGENCY LIES.
FORGET THE BULL **** "UKRAINE GIRLS ARE EASY PREY"
FORGET THE NOTION OF A "TRADITIONAL WOMAN">
Dont waste your TIME and MONEY writing to girls you have no intention to see.
STOP WHINGING ABOUT BEING SCAMMED. you are SCAMMING YOURSELVES.
STOP thinking you can just CHOOSE A WOMAN off the SHELF like a fricking BARBIE DOLL.
SHOW SOME FU CKING RESPECT FOR THESE PEOPLE.
GROW A SPINE AND BEHAVE LIKE A AMERICAN NOT SOME Crying little filipino maid.
BE A ****ING MAN FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIFE.
if you want a Ukraine wife, want her for the RIGHT REASONS, and be prepared to be the MAN SHE DESERVES, rather than expecting her to be some agency manufactured notion or virtual pet.
now THINK ABOUT IT.
flame away. Im ready for you.
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And you loser scam ass? Talk about being f u c k e d up in the brain (totally)just look at you wasitg all your time writing all this bull****..Who the **** cares?
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I would not call it wasted time,coz i don't write 5000 b u ll s h i t words like you! And also i'm not in it for the pimp scam marriage business like you :-)I just put it simple....
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Not a Asslicker you may be, a c ocksucker you are.
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August 13 2002, 7:59 AM
face the fact saddo, Ukraine women do not LIKE YOU. why? because you are a crybaby paranoid delusional.
You can trade insults all you want with me, i am Happy to oblige. But the TRUTH HURTS. you call anyone who disagrees with you scam, or a pimp, or somehow has to be involved but the fact remains.
you are bitter because some girl said no.
y0u are bitter because you sent her money and you feel used.
you are bitter because other guys have success and you hate them for it.
you are bitter because if some knackered old fu ck can score a ukraine girl and you cant what does that say about you?
You are desperate, lonely, and selfabusive.
Your innerpain is relflected outwards and every woman can see at rejects you for it.
You are probably a repressed homosexual.
truth hurts cocko.
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Secret 5 - Part 1
How to make Russian women interested in You?
Men ask me all the time "How to ensure Russian women will be interested in me?" Is there a way to get ahead of competition? Is there anything special they are looking for? What kind of photos should you send? What should you write in your first letter?
Most contacts start through correspondence. Yes, there are tours with socials, but it's a completely different story, and we'll talk about it next time.
Knowing that first impressions last, and there is no second chance to make the first impression, most men feel that their first letter will be the most important one. Yet most of them fail to get it right!
The reasons? To name a few, they are: laziness, lack of empathy, lack of creativity, lack of common sense, and following the patterns. What I would say, many men simply fail to think!
Most agencies will give you examples of "good" letters, or letter writing tips. Read them. Study them. But for your own sake, don't follow them!
If you give yourself a couple of seconds to think why, you will get it yourself - because ALL OTHER MEN WILL WRITE THE SAME LETTERS! When I was on the other side of the border, I used to wonder why most men who wrote to me were writing the same things in the same expressions. They all were "blessed to have a successful career and good life", and they all were feeling that only now they are "ready to start a family". Paragraph by paragraph they were talking about the same things, and I knew how the letter would finish when was just starting reading it. They were saying all the right things, all-important information about themselves, but my dear friends, it was S-O-O-O B-O-O-O-R-I-N-G...
Yes, that's right, women are interested what age you are, you must tell them about your height, weight and education, previous marriages and kids, what are you doing for a living etc, etc - BUT! It is MUCH more important HOW you say that. I still remember 2 letters that impressed me the most - I was smiling all the way while reading them! Yes, that's it - your letter must have a mood and a feeling, wake up imagination, be interactive and funny - it must be INTERESTING!
Of course not all of us are good in writing. But at least all of us know a couple of jokes. They say that jokes are humor of those who don't have a sense of humor, but jokes do help. You can tell the story as if it happened to you, and then say at the end "Of course, it's just a joke". Just don't use "he-he" and "smiles" - in Russia jokes are told with a stone-like face. It's a bad taste to laugh at your own jokes; and Russians find background laugh in sitcoms interrupting and stupid. I think in western terms you can call Russian type of humor very dry.
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Just you wait a daggawn minute there, boy - listen-up homey...
The great majority of americans could be said to represent a refutation on a large scale of the Cartesian principle, ‘Cogito ergo sum’; they do not think and are.
How can you say you won the war when half of Europe was offered on a silver platter to communism and its vile ways and america becmame the spoils of the privately-owned new plutocratic world order, you american egghead. And in any case, you were late getting involved you cowardly yellow-belly yankee scum.
At least Germans have a culture and a tradition.
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That's what I call discusion!
You touched old perverts directly to the heart. Heart is weak and it hurts double! ... says old slogan.
Sooner or later will happen all what we say on this forum. More useful and cheaper is carribean ship cruise than one nightmare travel to Ukraine to search for young woman.
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$20,000 is more than the average yearly income in Britain - no wonder she stays with you.
A traditional woman isn't a slave, she is a mother and a lover - check any ancient tradition out [ you'll need to leave america to do that ].
'grow a spine and be an american' - a contradiction in terms, think I.
And I wish you would show some respect to the English language instead of using so many expletives [ it only betrays your inability to articulate yourself ] - remember, you americans are only borrowing the English language.
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I find no fault in any of your words, They are all so true. Most men could not write a letter if their life depended on it. All women want a Manly Man not a wussy winp ass cry baby. Look in any profile and you will find Sence of humor is a must. They all want confident and funny. Not Robin Williams though. The more some people speak the more they show how ignorant they are.
They do not meant.... They just can't help themself!
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