Hi, All! Be honest... why are you looking for Russian girls? Because they are so beautiful and unpretentious? A lot of them really are, but most of the girls, looking for so-called "American husband", have their own, hidden reasons. What do they know about U.S.? Just what they see on TV. Those endless soap operas... I just want you, guys, to realize that they want a better life... if they wanted just love, they would be looking for it in their country. It's really hard for me, as a russian girl, to imagine that all of those "nice, smart, a_bit_shy_, honest" etc. women can't find their soulmates in Russia or Ukraine. I know some of them, and I'm really sorry about this situation. Just don't be so naive. They don't love you, but they do love your money or whatever they imagine about U.S. So... believe it or not... this is exactly how things are.

Actually, I've been living in Canada for two years, and I'm gonna go back to Russia this year. Originally, I'm from Moscow. So, don't be angry with me:). Why did I post that message? Maybe, that's because I know those women, and you are just trying to find out who they are.

Miss Anonymous, you sound bitter. Who said that Russian girls couldn't find love in Russia? No one I heard. It's just that women of all nationalities have on their wish list, as the number one priority, to have a man who can provide security and stability for them. Tell me you didn't know that please. Yes, there may be some women out there looking only to go to the USA (aha... thats why you're bitter -- you ended up in Canada instead...brrr) But most realize that if you're going to fall in love, why not fall in love with a guy who can satisfy your #1 need, to be protected and secure.

Alexi

You people are living in some sort of a self inflicted cocoon if you believe these women are different than any other woman in virtually any other part of the world, excluding tribal women who may in fact adhere to customs that are strange when compared to western life.
Let me see if I have this correct; You pick some girls out of a catalog, spend a good amount of money corresponding with them and then you go over there to some social, meet even more women in the hopes that you will find one to marry? Sounds like you are buying a bathroom fixture.
Doesn't this in and of itself make you feel like a reject? Why do you think these women are at these socials? Some are there to have a good time, but the ones that really are interested in marriage are looking for a way to escape out of their country. Maybe it's because they want a better economic situation. Maybe it's because they want a better life for their children, especially if they have a son who may have to serve in the military someday.
But the absolute last reason they are willing to marry you is for love. Not because they wouldn't wish to want to love you, but because under the circumstances they can't. Their priorities are different from yours and numero uno is to get here to America. If she learns to love you in the process, that is icing on the cake, but if not you will play the fool and she will be off and running.
Why are the MOB operations mostly in poor countries that offer little hope for the women? Do you think these women are not wondering why YOU have to go all this distance to find a woman? To step down to their standard of living just to locate a woman that will accept you for what you are? They know exactly what you are all about and it is a standing joke amongst them. What do you think they are talking to each other about while you are sitting at your table interviewing other girls. They are talking about YOU and for sure the word "loser" comes up quite frequently. It's a word that means the same to women all over the world.
And speaking of socials, can there be anymore barbaric way of acquiring a wife? The pressure these women are under is traumatic to them, far more than it is to you. They are wondering if they look good, speak well and if they wore the correct clothes. They will replay the entire night over and over again in their heads, especially if they were not picked.

But it's a real power trip for you isn't it? Makes you feel like a real man doesn't it?
You get to wave a finger and have any girl in the place come and talk to you. I'll bet that alone makes the trip worthwhile. Try that in America sometime and see what happens. But I'm sure you have and failed and that's why you are here.

I wouldn't even be writing this had my father not pulled a catalog out of his pocket at my engagement dinner of all places, and started to tell everyone who would listen how he was going to start his life over with a beautiful young woman, half his age. My mother,God rest her soul, must be turning over in her grave. He's a big boy but I think he is in his second childhood and am afraid he will be conned out of everything he has worked so hard for. We know soon because he is leaving in December to meet Elena, the woman he has fallen for.

Wendy

Being a man it's sort bites me, but after reading Wendy's message, I must say she's right, and some men just have that certain loser quality about them that everyone will see, even a tribal woman:-)

Wendy,
I have to imagine that you are an ordinary American whose views on life have been shaped by the prejudices of the mainstream media. It is my hope that you and your father research closer into this (the RWL List and this board are good starts) to understand the various aspects of Western men marrying Eastern Bloc women.
While there is a good deal of immature noise on both forums, there are a lot of men married to Slavic women who could help your father. From most of the more reasonable voices, the tour route is not the way to go is your father is serious on meeting a sincere woman from the former Soviet Union. On these tours, there tend to be many of the types of women that could do your father some emotional and financial damage- visa whores, prostitutes and the like. If he is going to just have a good time and meet some fun and exciting women, then fine. He's your father and a grown adult and can do as he pleases. For myself, I love my father a great deal and if he were divorced and decided to do this, I would do my best to gather as much information as possible on meeting women in the former Soviet Union and make sure that he was armed with all sides of this. For his own awareness. If he is truly going over to find a young, pretty wife who can appreciate the goodness of his inner qualities ( and I assume your father has qualities to be admired, given your worry for him and the fact that you're here) and regard his age as irrelevant, then so what? Is this news in man's 2-million year plus history? That's how most men really are. He deserves a shot at being happy and I'd think he would be thrilled if he knew his children were watching out for him and digging about the Net for useful information. Backing him into a corner by screaming "Are you crazy? They just want a Green Card!!" really won't do much to change a man's mind except drive his planning underground and firm his resolve to go.
As for Soviet women wanting a better life, that's not news to any of us, male and female, Soviet or Western. I don't feel that there's anything wrong with a woman wanting some financial stability and a safe, peaceful environment in which to raise a happy family. Unfortunately, that is not often available in the former Soviet Union. This sounds sexist, but that's a part of evolution as well. Are you telling me that the average intelligent American woman would accept a Mafia gunman, a chronic drunkard, a garbageman or a perpetually unemployed man as a great husband? Of course not. U.S. demographics show greater numbers of men than women in "the marriage bracket". Soviet demographics show far greater numbers of women than men, and widening rapidly. Hence the phenomenom of Western men marrying Soviet women. Is she interested because he's a good guy or has financial resources? Well, that's an age-old question that could apply anywhere; the US, Australia, Zimbabwe. That's a question for matters of the heart between men and women that each of us have to deal with.
As for applying that demeaning stereotype that all the women of the former Soviet Union are devious, cunning and out to "get" a Western husband, then I'd suggest you and your father do some reading into the Russian psyche and culture. One reason we look to the East are the vast numbers of gentle, feminine, sincere, children-loving, educated women who are happy to have a good husband. And yes, they're slim, fashionable and attractive as well. As for implying that we want the Soviet woman because she's submissive and obedient, then you both REALLY need to study more about the spirit and heart of the Russian women. A core of steel wrapped in silk and perfume. From my experiences, the Russian woman is far emotionally stronger than any American man or woman could ever be. Believe me, she's not a pushover and won't just do as her American husband says! Right, guys?
I hope that you don't take my post as an insult to you or your father. Bottom line, your father is probably going to go. We on the board have the experience and resources to help him avoid potential trouble. I'm sure you want your father to stay out of it. My own experiences are somewhat peripheral at meeting women from the former Soviet Union so I don't really know if I contributed a great deal other than
a different perspective. But I think you have a great resource in contacting this forum and I hope you and your father use it.

I hope this actually posts!

Mark

Mark,

The last line of your message reads "I hope this actually posts", any problems with that??

Please note that when you actually post something to the forum, there are two buttons - "Preview" and "Respond to the message". Hit the other one for the message to actually come online.

Wendy~

I hope you will make peace with your Dad, give him a break. He sounds like a nice man who is lonely and wants to share his life with someone. Does that make him a loser? What is wrong with a person wanting to find someone who will respect him for what he has to offer in the way of the heart rahter than the bank account? You describe many stereotypes of guys who go abroad to search for their life partners and of girls who latch onto men simply for their wallets. Isn't that what most women here in the U.S. do? While I am not trying to insult you or categorize you in the same breath as the women I speak of, I do want you to consider this; The men who are undertaking this endeavor are not the stereotypical image that you imagine. They are middle to upper class professionals, blue collar guys as well as doctors, lawyers and engineers. I personally know of a CEO in Silicon valley (he's 32 and NOT a deweeb!)who is fed up with the gold digging women who oonly want him for his lifestyle that he can provide. As this trend is growing among men in the U.S. I would liek to ask you now, who really are the losers in this case? The men who seek real love abroad or the women whom they are disenchanted with?

I hope you will supprot your father in his quest and give him a break because he needs companionship as well as you & all of us. Do you feel he is betraying your mother's love by doing this? I hope that all works out for him and for you.


Peace out!!!

Wendy-
I am looking for pen-pals in Europe to meet a woman from another culture. I currently live in the United States and I think ALL Americans are spoiled; men and women. I have no love for the 'good old days' in America when men held all the power. Quite frankly, American pop culture makes me sick. We are 5% of the world population and consume %43 of the world's resources. I also disagree with paying a chinese girl 10 cents an hour to make $180 Nikes. I feel I am the ONLY american that see this as a problem. As you can imagine, it is difficult finding the right person when I have Generation X girls to choose from. Call me old fashioned, but only bikers, sailors and whores should have tattoos. What is up with the tongue piercings???

I traveled to Europe after high school graduation in 1988, and found Europeans to more intelligent, caring and hospitable than my American counterparts. I would like to start a family, and I would quite simply like to meet a cultured woman with a social conscience. I want my children to have all the best, living in a prosperous country AND have a social conscience.

I prefer to work with American women because they are more professional than men. I think women make excellent friends and are a very good listeners. When it comes to romance? please. Chivarly is dead with you. You see kindness as weakness to be exploited. I am only a MARK to american women.

When you are condemning us american men, you should look up from time to time to see your reflection in the mirror. Your own reflection will keep you honest.

Thank You,
Texican

If a man can't find, in his own country, a woman with whom he can have a relationship, is that the fault of the women in his country? Many men that travel to Russia to find a wife say that they don't like North American women. If you find a wife in Russia and bring her home, she will become a North American woman, unless you isolate her.
If you're attracted to European or Asian women, surely you can meet someone where you live, and not have to procure a woman from another country. There are many communities of Russians, in North America, so, if you're particularly drawn to Russian women, you can meet one where you live.

Tess, Why? good question! it's an never ending story, why do they look? why do we look? They (woman) for a better stable life + a good man. We for a better deal and wife! Opinions are like azzholes everybody has one!!

It's in humans nature to strive for the better deal in life, maybe some find it this way, maybe some don't.

It's called life expectations/experiences. Build your own opinion on that.

Consider me an interested - and skeptical - observer. Thought I'd toss in my 2 cents...though I don't think my comments will be welcome.

First of all, I don't consider the men pursuing MOBs "losers". I can understand loneliness, frustration and fear of rejection; however, I think that many of the men using this method for meeting women may be deluding themselves. I know that there are some success stories, but I also know that a few people walk out of casinos with more money than they walked in with...that doesn't mean that these pastimes, no matter how exciting and appealing they may seem on the surface, aren't fraught with significant risk - perhaps so much risk that they could be considered sucker bets.

Taking the arguments about age/cultural differences out of the equation, I have to wonder how a reasonable man can honestly believe that a woman would place herself in a catalog in hopes of marrying without her primary goal being economic "enhancement".

A simple thought experiment: if the U.S. suddenly implemented an open door immigration policy which made it far simpler for women from these countries to obtain visas (or let's say economic conditions in their home countries improved significantly) then how much longer do you think these MOB agencies would remain in business? How would the women who are professing their love in letters treat you if they could meet you on a level economic playing field?? I know the following has been pointed out many many times, but apparently it still hasn't turned on any light bulbs: how many women from France, England, Norway, etc. do you see putting themselves in catalogs?

I love all the talk of "red flags" and the twisted rationalizations that many men use to kid themselves that the objects of their affection are sincere. I am sure there are many situations where there is plenty of sincerity and good intentions on both sides, but the shadow of the unspoken deal will always be cast over the relationship. I am a great believer in free markets and increasing market efficiency coupled with growth. The fact that there has been an explosion in the MOB business suggests that the women who put up "red flags" get culled fairly quickly...leaving more women who are far more sophisticated or just naturally able to act in a manner which will be appealing to the American man. It is unlikely that love has anything to do with it. Yes, I'm sure there are the lottery winners out there, but for every happy winner there are a lot of dissapointed players.

Of course, all relationships are risky. It's tough enough finding a decent woman close to home (yes, yes..I know this is one of the primary reasons for looking overseas) but all good things require hard work and patience. I have to wonder if many of the men attempting this have taken an honest appraisal of themselves, both physically and emotionally.

Oh well. Good luck on your quest....you're gonna need it!!

Excellent post, you state the obvious quite well. That was not a jab! I really did enjoy your post and agree with it. I'm sure all the guys looking abroad realize the economic factor and hopefully take that into consideration when "screening" potential mates. I can say this, from experience, that most of the women truly wish to fall in love. Are they motivated to initiate this process due to economic reasons? Many (most) times yes. Are they motivated to improve their and their childrens livelihood? Yes, most times they are. Are there some who simply want a free ticket to the USA to "hook up" with their girlfriends, relatives, and yes....boyfriends who already live in places like NY? Yes there are those. Eliminating the obvious green card chasers is not hard to do. They are typically young, gorgeous, and willing to accept their grandfather as a husband. Enough said.

There are many women with economics in mind, not obsessed with being rich but an easier life. These women in my opinion and experience initiate their search based on economic necessity. But, if you think they are not hoping to "find it all" in a man, you are mistaken. Perhaps, in time, after being let down by all talk and no walk american men they will begin to lower their standards somewhat. I think they would ultimately love to find a man close to their age, in physical shape and handsome, strong career and father type, loving partner, etc...I call this "finding it all". THe same things we are looking for in a woman. So, economics are key of course, but I think each side is hoping for true love. If one takes ones time and is thorough, there should be less risk involved.

As for your question relating to other countries???I've posted that same question here over a year ago and got pounded for it! It is true, if borders opened or economic situations changed, the pool would dry up. BUT, they're not open, it isn't changing economically (except getting worse for them) and the situation is as it is. We could hypothetically what if ourselves out of any endeavour. I for one will marry a russian/ukrainian girl one day. Haven't found her yet, not really looking right now anyway. Even though I've had to put my active search on the back burner, I'm just biding my time. Good luck to you and to all the men wonderfully caught up in this awesome undertaking!

Thank you for your thought provoking post.
Your analogy that a finding a good RW involved in MOB is similar to the odds of winning in a casino-
The odds COULD be that bad if the man doesn't do his homework and use good common sense, but the odds WILL be much better if he does take the necessary steps in his pursuit. I have always recommended that the couples take their time and make sure they know each other very well before making any committments. That is one of the purpose of this forum; to help increase the odds of success.
On "economic enhancment"-
Why wouldn't RW look for love in a country that has a better economic outlook than Russia? Women looking for a husband that will be a good provider for her and her children is not a new concept. That type of thinking would go back to a cave woman wanting a good hunter for her hubby.
On catalogs-
Dan M answers this well. There are many other European and American women that have internet ads. I see little difference between these ads and a RW submitting a photo and profile with an agency. Again it is a matter economics.
"the shadow of the unspoken deal"-
Every relationship is a "deal". It is a matter of give and take. Does the good out weigh the bad? That is the choice that every couple makes. Love is the intangible factor here. With love the "deal" is very easy to make. With love the "bad" is insignificant and not a burden.
"General thoughts"-
Unfortunatly there is a stigma about MOB in general begining with the name. As this forum has changed it's name to "International dating", so should the MOB agencies. Anyone that thinks that they will be able to have a successful relationship with picking a woman from a catalog is about to make a foolish mistake. These MOB agencies are not the answer to a lonely man's desire for a wife, but they do provide a STARTING point to find the answer. The agencies provide the method in which men and woman can meet, get to know each other and hopefully find true love. The agencies and the internet have just expanded the pool of people that can meet each other. When I was a kid in Junior High I was limited to have a girlfriend that was within bike riding distance. The limit was a few miles from where I lived. Later, when I could drive a car that limit expanded to neighboring High Schools. Later as I became involved in business travel, the limits became less and less. Now with the internet, the world is open to all that wish to explore it. I chose to explore the posibilities in Russia. I was one of the lucky ones that found love and happiness.
KenC

Well your pointing out some assumptions there about russian men which is not all true, or basic facts,not more then the facts I pointed out in my earlier post, it would probably be more of a myth, yes there are those men as well, that drink and treat their woman bad, but there are just as many bad woman suiting that character as the men.Both men and woman are grown up in that country & society, as well as we are used to our society which doesen' always mean we like the country we live in but the main factors are different in each woman searching for a foreign man ,as well as many men searching are bad apples, the trick is to find a good one!!! Anywhere in the world..

In my opinion, the real reason that "good' FSU women are looking to meet a foreign man is based on the fact that their chances of meeting a good man from their respective countries is VERY limited. I am still stunned by the amount of lovely women that I see that are married and divorsed, often with a child, at such young ages. I am talking women in their teens to early twenties. The fact also that the men their don't treat their women anywhere close to how we in the west treat our ladies makes for a much better life for a FSU. Yes, there are women that are looking for a rich man route out of their impoverished lives, but among "good" girls I don't believe this to be the case. Here in America, I would say that 80% of the very attractive women that I meet are looking for a wealthy man. So the fact that you have some FSU women with the same motives doesn't disqulaify the whole batch. When you get down to the bare facts, FSU women are looking for love, first and foremost, same as other "good" women are all over the world.

It is a fact that the economy is bad in Russia. It is no my opinion that the only reason RW would select us is their bad ecconomy. By agreeing with him so emphatically, I also assume this is your opinion. A fact is something observable and measurable. An opinion is the conclusion you draw from the fact.

Think it though and tell me if you agree.

Well, what is a fact? fact would be that if it were not for the economics situation as you self just pointed out, these woman would not be looking much outside their own country,so their own personal reasons for looking for a foreign man are HIDDEN.If you have friends in RU/UA that you know well they easily point it out as well. And yes their are both good and bad woman in the world, not only in America&Western-Europe.

Fact? & Opinions? well maybe they are no facts in the world, maybe it's all just Situation and demand?

The main reason is economic situation.. Is that a Fact? Agreeing with him is not only an opinion it's measurable as well.. but "The Main Conclusion" is still more a fact then an Opinion.But that it woulden't be good UA/RU women looking for a good man is not an lie.

The reasons for these women to seek AM are within their minds and hearts. There is no way you, me or mondo can know what the motivations of these women. We can have theories and opinions, but the issue can not be explained so easily as a post full of generalizations.

For what it is worth, I am sure the economic factors are a very large issue. This is my opinion. I can not say I know this since I do not know what is in the hearts of these ladies. I do, however, think there are other factors in the decsision other than economics.

True! we don't know what's in the hearts of these ladies, as we don't really know them.I agree, that there are other factors as well for some woman.. other then economics.

But these are not only generalizations, it's more motivation of the woman in my opinion.

You know, i think the truth is somewhere in the middle, take for example the guy whom the woman would probably like, but if he's really poor, then the probability of marriage happening there is quite low.

At the same time, if the guy is rich, but is a complete asshole, the woman would probably think twice before marrying the guy as well - I mean, she has to imagine herself waking up close to that man every day of her life.

Thus truly it depends on the women, the thing about UA men at the moment is that those who are nice are not so wealthy, and those who have the power and money are usually "new Russians", i.e. complete assholes connected with mafia and no intellectual skills whatsoever.

Pretty good choice for creating a family, isn't it?

It seems to me that Russian Women in America are so often the first to say bad things about another Russian Women who is trying to get ahead in Life. It sort of sounds like the story about how if one crab is almost able to climb out of the barrel, another will pull the crab back in.

All I can say for sure is that Russian women can be VERY jealous without even having a logical reason to be. It is a very emotional culture, which actually I find to be apart of its charm. You might say that she was just trying to call a spade a SPADE, but in the end I think it is best to just accept these comments with a grain of salt.

In the end, you are the one who has to make the decision. I have experienced so much prejudice in telling my Russian female friends about my fiancee (from Ukraine) that they almost ruined our relationship when I started to have doubts.

Without even meeting her, they were more than ready to beat her down with similar comments as in the first posting above. It seems rather sad that instead of trying to help by supporting us, they try to ruin our happiness. In their defense I often heard the comment, "...well I just don't want to see my friend get hurt." I have heard the same thing in many different forms, and have become rather tired of it.

But maybe this is just my particular view. A true friend would just show how things do not add up based upon facts, instead of shoot the lady down before she has a chance to stand. And in the end, even if it is a True Love, you will be surprised as to how make misunderstandings can appear as if they were "Red Flags."

There is merit to your disclosed opinion, Tom.
But there are other considerations.
For a moment, assess the number of Personal relationship Agencies here in the USA performing matchmaking services. There are too many for me too list. Secondly, consider the ever evolving number of "Personal Dating and Match making" web sites. Literally, hundreds of thousands of Americans, both men and women have joined these clubs, whether they are free are paid. The woman from the Former Soviet Block has limited access to such. Hence, many join the "AGENCIES" as their only avenue. While it may be true that they dream of a better life, many, even most have dreams of LOVE. Why do the Thousands of American women avail themself to ads, personals, matchmaking clubs, or Personal Website agencies? Is this so different than a Russian woman being in a catalog?

I met my Russian Wife on the internet through a personals website. It was free to join. My Russian wife, from Moscow, was one of the fortunate ones who had a PC in her home and used the keyboard translator. So, eventually we wrote each day. While I do not doubt her exposure, as well as many Russian women, to Western Lifestyles had a certain appeal and even lure, she was still "dreaming" of LOVE. I say dreaming only because she has often informed me that she never had hope of finding the man to be in LOVE. From the initial letter using the Internet to her arrival here in the USA took 18 months.,....so it was a very slow and evolving process; not fly by night. I firmly believe that most of the sincere Russian woman have dreams and hope of LOVE....real Love. This is but one of many of their fine characteristics. Once an American Man expereinces their warmth, their genuiness their sincerity....simply, it is so overwhelmingly refreshing....they become enchanted. American women should get a wake up call.

Perhaps, I was but one of the few that rolled the dice and walked away a WINNER.
I am blessed to be married to such a Woman. I know this and I remind myself each and every day.
Yes, there are likely American Women who have such remarkable qualities....but by statistics....there are many More Russian women with those qualities than their American counterparts. I became so disenchanted dating American women after 13 years of doing so, I turned to writing women of the FSU four years ago.
I met several who were wonderful; but still ???
even the Woman I married had met three gentleman before me and two of three proposed marriage. But still too, for her, something was missing....and she did not "jump" at the very first offer...the first offer to "financial security". She informed me that there was no "LOVE" and so she refused.
In our very first face to face meeting, I thought to myself, I had found heaven. She just happens to be a Moscovite; but, the who she IS?....she could have been from any where, even right next door.....but she now lives within the same DOORS....
Lucky, perhaps, but there is something very very special about her....and she continues to proclaim me as the Best man in the world for her. We have a relationship that I wish every couple; married or not could experience.

Merely another side of the COIN.

mike

There is merit to your disclosed opinion, Tom.
But there are other considerations.
For a moment, assess the number of Personal relationship Agencies here in the USA performing matchmaking services. There are too many for me too list. Secondly, consider the ever evolving number of "Personal Dating and Match making" web sites. Literally, hundreds of thousands of Americans, both men and women have joined these clubs, whether they are free are paid. The woman from the Former Soviet Block has limited access to such. Hence, many join the "AGENCIES" as their only avenue. While it may be true that they dream of a better life, many, even most have dreams of LOVE. Why do the Thousands of American women avail themself to ads, personals, matchmaking clubs, or Personal Website agencies? Is this so different than a Russian woman being in a catalog?

I met my Russian Wife on the internet through a personals website. It was free to join. My Russian wife, from Moscow, was one of the fortunate ones who had a PC in her home and used the keyboard translator. So, eventually we wrote each day. While I do not doubt her exposure, as well as many Russian women, to Western Lifestyles had a certain appeal and even lure, she was still "dreaming" of LOVE. I say dreaming only because she has often informed me that she never had hope of finding the man to be in LOVE. From the initial letter using the Internet to her arrival here in the USA took 18 months.,....so it was a very slow and evolving process; not fly by night. I firmly believe that most of the sincere Russian woman have dreams and hope of LOVE....real Love. This is but one of many of their fine characteristics. Once an American Man expereinces their warmth, their genuiness their sincerity....simply, it is so overwhelmingly refreshing....they become enchanted. American women should get a wake up call.

Perhaps, I was but one of the few that rolled the dice and walked away a WINNER.
I am blessed to be married to such a Woman. I know this and I remind myself each and every day.
Yes, there are likely American Women who have such remarkable qualities....but by statistics....there are many More Russian women with those qualities than their American counterparts. I became so disenchanted dating American women after 13 years of doing so, I turned to writing women of the FSU four years ago.
I met several who were wonderful; but still ???
even the Woman I married had met three gentleman before me and two of three proposed marriage. But still too, for her, something was missing....and she did not "jump" at the very first offer...the first offer to "financial security". She informed me that there was no "LOVE" and so she refused.
In our very first face to face meeting, I thought to myself, I had found heaven. She just happens to be a Moscovite; but, the who she IS?....she could have been from any where, even right next door.....but she now lives within the same DOORS....
Lucky, perhaps, but there is something very very special about her....and she continues to proclaim me as the Best man in the world for her. We have a relationship that I wish every couple; married or not could experience.

Merely another side of the COIN.

mike

There is merit to your disclosed opinion, Tom.
But there are other considerations.
For a moment, assess the number of Personal relationship Agencies here in the USA performing matchmaking services. There are too many for me too list. Secondly, consider the ever evolving number of "Personal Dating and Match making" web sites. Literally, hundreds of thousands of Americans, both men and women have joined these clubs, whether they are free are paid. The woman from the Former Soviet Block has limited access to such. Hence, many join the "AGENCIES" as their only avenue. While it may be true that they dream of a better life, many, even most have dreams of LOVE. Why do the Thousands of American women avail themself to ads, personals, matchmaking clubs, or Personal Website agencies? Is this so different than a Russian woman being in a catalog?

I met my Russian Wife on the internet through a personals website. It was free to join. My Russian wife, from Moscow, was one of the fortunate ones who had a PC in her home and used the keyboard translator. So, eventually we wrote each day. While I do not doubt her exposure, as well as many Russian women, to Western Lifestyles had a certain appeal and even lure, she was still "dreaming" of LOVE. I say dreaming only because she has often informed me that she never had hope of finding the man to be in LOVE. From the initial letter using the Internet to her arrival here in the USA took 18 months.,....so it was a very slow and evolving process; not fly by night. I firmly believe that most of the sincere Russian woman have dreams and hope of LOVE....real Love. This is but one of many of their fine characteristics. Once an American Man expereinces their warmth, their genuiness their sincerity....simply, it is so overwhelmingly refreshing....they become enchanted. American women should get a wake up call.

Perhaps, I was but one of the few that rolled the dice and walked away a WINNER.
I am blessed to be married to such a Woman. I know this and I remind myself each and every day.
Yes, there are likely American Women who have such remarkable qualities....but by statistics....there are many More Russian women with those qualities than their American counterparts. I became so disenchanted dating American women after 13 years of doing so, I turned to writing women of the FSU four years ago.
I met several who were wonderful; but still ???
even the Woman I married had met three gentleman before me and two of three proposed marriage. But still too, for her, something was missing....and she did not "jump" at the very first offer...the first offer to "financial security". She informed me that there was no "LOVE" and so she refused.
In our very first face to face meeting, I thought to myself, I had found heaven. She just happens to be a Moscovite; but, the who she IS?....she could have been from any where, even right next door.....but she now lives within the same DOORS....
Lucky, perhaps, but there is something very very special about her....and she continues to proclaim me as the Best man in the world for her. We have a relationship that I wish every couple; married or not could experience.

Merely another side of the COIN.

mike

There is merit to your disclosed opinion, Tom.
But there are other considerations.
For a moment, assess the number of Personal relationship Agencies here in the USA performing matchmaking services. There are too many for me too list. Secondly, consider the ever evolving number of "Personal Dating and Match making" web sites. Literally, hundreds of thousands of Americans, both men and women have joined these clubs, whether they are free are paid. The woman from the Former Soviet Block has limited access to such. Hence, many join the "AGENCIES" as their only avenue. While it may be true that they dream of a better life, many, even most have dreams of LOVE. Why do the Thousands of American women avail themself to ads, personals, matchmaking clubs, or Personal Website agencies? Is this so different than a Russian woman being in a catalog?

I met my Russian Wife on the internet through a personals website. It was free to join. My Russian wife, from Moscow, was one of the fortunate ones who had a PC in her home and used the keyboard translator. So, eventually we wrote each day. While I do not doubt her exposure, as well as many Russian women, to Western Lifestyles had a certain appeal and even lure, she was still "dreaming" of LOVE. I say dreaming only because she has often informed me that she never had hope of finding the man to be in LOVE. From the initial letter using the Internet to her arrival here in the USA took 18 months.,....so it was a very slow and evolving process; not fly by night. I firmly believe that most of the sincere Russian woman have dreams and hope of LOVE....real Love. This is but one of many of their fine characteristics. Once an American Man expereinces their warmth, their genuiness their sincerity....simply, it is so overwhelmingly refreshing....they become enchanted. American women should get a wake up call.

Perhaps, I was but one of the few that rolled the dice and walked away a WINNER.
I am blessed to be married to such a Woman. I know this and I remind myself each and every day.
Yes, there are likely American Women who have such remarkable qualities....but by statistics....there are many More Russian women with those qualities than their American counterparts. I became so disenchanted dating American women after 13 years of doing so, I turned to writing women of the FSU four years ago.
I met several who were wonderful; but still ???
even the Woman I married had met three gentleman before me and two of three proposed marriage. But still too, for her, something was missing....and she did not "jump" at the very first offer...the first offer to "financial security". She informed me that there was no "LOVE" and so she refused.
In our very first face to face meeting, I thought to myself, I had found heaven. She just happens to be a Moscovite; but, the who she IS?....she could have been from any where, even right next door.....but she now lives within the same DOORS....
Lucky, perhaps, but there is something very very special about her....and she continues to proclaim me as the Best man in the world for her. We have a relationship that I wish every couple; married or not could experience.

Merely another side of the COIN.

mike

Also,
A lot of people, women in this case, would marry for money or a better life. It's not unheard of people, even in your neck of the woods. The reason guys are going to russia to look for their "brides" is because there are actual catalogues you can choose a willing partner from. If these "catalogues" were offering women from the U.S. or other wealthy nation then men would be choosing from there as well.

It's all about security not love. At least tell yourselves the truth. If love actually happens then great. The odds are, it will more likely happen for the guy, since he's the one that made the choice. For the women it's more like is this guy better than poverty. Not a difficult and an understandable choice.

A wiseman once said, You better love somebody, but don't lie to yourself, be sure she loves you back just as much, "that's true love" and it don't come trough "mailorderbrides"

This goes to everyone.You know what? IF you are a grown up guy, you should know better to be fooled by a woman, no matter where she is or what nationality she is. Don't go crying because you have been scamed. Its your own fault fer letting it happen. Don'e this girl and that girl.It could happen to you anywhere, in the US, UK, Italy, France, anywhere.
All the stories of men being fooled by girls just makes me think... Get a life.
There are people here generalizing about certain nationalities( Mainly Russian, Ukraninan, etc).
Yes, there are scam arisits everywhere...wake up.there are also around the corner from where you live.
There are also some REAL girls and REAL LOVE going on with Russian and Ukranins, just as it would anywhere else in the world.
Nuff Sed.
Respect.

why would you want to go to canada from russia or even to us states with extreme cold winters for - down under is the place hot summers , mild winters and no religious nutters or cults either.

we play real football down here too - rugby / rugby league / aussie rules not the skirt game the grideon is all that padding and helmets - the blokes that play union/league and aussie rules don't wear any paddding/helmets

My current Russian Fiancee was previously married to an Australian man who abused and treated her real bad which resulted in divorce.

My point is... the country doesn't matter at all. The important thing is that there's mutual love and respect for each other.