Hello, I am new to this forum.

I am just thinking about looking for a Russian wife (just thinking about it). It seems quite a risk. I am curious to know is it common practice to sign prenuptial agreement when people marry to a 'mail order bride'.

It is unthinkable for a woman to take half of your hard earned assets after she 'invests' two years in you just to get the green card. I can't be the only one thought about this. But I did not find the dicussion any where.

What do you think?

Think read and lear nowbe fore it's too late,it's too much at stake compared to what you get in the end.
Your nothing more then a ticket out agreencard, woman joining agencies are Hookers and Visa-whores nothing to strive for, these are bad women.Better go for one(if you still thinking) on your own, and maybe you meet a good one.

Wake up and smell the coffee gentlemen because you are potentially putting yourself in a position to be scammed and the chances are good that you won't even know it happened until it is too late.

The Mail Order Bride method of finding a wife is an unregulated field that is infested with scammers, thieves, whore mongers and liars who will strip you clean of your wallet, your time, your health and eventually whatever confidence you have left in yourself.

It begins with a website that promises you the female companion that you have been unable to find here in the USA. These websites are extremely well designed and play on your psychological defects in order to lure you in and siphon money right out of your wallet.

Ever see any truly ugly looking women on these sites? Of course not. That is all part of the scam. How many of these women do you see on other sites? Same scam.

They charge you for everything, translating "official Russian envelopes" and so forth and then they send back form letters to you from your "lady". It doesn't take long before you are hooked and from that point on your wallet belongs to Yuri. So now you decide to go to the mixer they offer in one of the major cities. At first the price doesn't seem too bad considering what you are getting for your money ($3500 to $6000 or so depending upon how stupid you are). You figure that a decent vacation to a foreign country is going to set you back anyway, and in this case at least you have the women as well.

Time to wake up Zeke and feed the hogs because when you arrive, you will discover several things real fast. First the hotel will be a dump. I stayed at the St. Petersburg last year and the roaches were everywhere. When you get to the social, the chances are real good that few if any of the women you have been writing to over the last few months will show up, despite you having made plans with them to meet you.
The reason for this is simple. They don't really exist except in the minds and creativity of the agencies. In other words, you have been pouring your heart out to Yuri for the last six months. So what about the photo's you ask? Are they not real? Sure they are but chances are good they were stolen from another web site and all of the contact information is bogus.
Try asking the tour director why none of your women showed up and if he could contact them for you while you are there and see what happens. He will stall you off and complain of computer problems and so forth all in the hopes that when you go to the mixer you will get sniggered by another RW and forget about the last six months of letters.

So what about the mixers? Well you will meet some absolutely beautiful looking women and that is a fact. The problem is, the more beautiful they are the higher mileage they have. Most of these women have one purpose in mind and that is the magic word VISA. Some are hookers, some are dancers (same thing BTW) and others will do "anything" for the chance to come here and get out of Russia.
If you are smart this is your chance to realize that you have been suckered in and that you should cut your losses and start sampling the wares.
This can be the most exciting part of these tours and in fact many men go there just for that reason alone. They have no intention of getting married, but instead use the girls for whatever, go home and come back again 6 months later for a repeat adventure.

To conclude, I will warn you about some of the creatures that lurk on this board. They are wolves in sheep's clothing and are ripping you off no matter how much you think they are going out of their way to help you for free.
These con artist's operate in conjunction with a well organised collection of shills that support them. Ever notice how many "Attaboy" post's there are on this board? You now have your answer as to why.

One last thing. Patrick is NOT one of them and he is an honest person who spends a lot of time running this place. Any money he makes off of it is surely deserved based up his dedication to running a first class board.

One more last thing. If you really want to explore the MOB alternative, do it yourself and join no cost discussion groups and save your money. Don't be a sucker and pay an agency to do what you can easily do for yourself.

I offer the following websites as a primer on what the MOB scam is about.

http://www.ins.usdoj.gov/graphics/aboutins/repsstudies/Mobrept.htm
http://www.gisp.ucsb.edu/lais/case5.htm
http://www.fairus.org/html/07260907.htm
http://www.ins.usdoj.gov/graphics/aboutins/repsstudies/Mobappa.htm
http://www.law.indiana.edu/glsj/vol5/no1/puchle2.html


Clem

P.S. I was one of the unfortunate statistics that was taken for all I had by a Russian Scammer and her agency. My family warned me that a women 1/2 my age would not have anything in common with me but I didn't listen. I urge YOU to listen to your family and friends before it is too late.

Stay away, read the messages on this board you'll find all info how this "mailorderbride" business works in detail, and I think you can make your own judgement after that, we all live to learn, good thing you found the forums before you entered too deeply.

Good luck

So what's the point of marrying then? To get some free sex for two years?

Typical American, though.

That's what most of them do,they don't love you, life is too short spend it alone, why not live it up for the two years or less and f... their BRAINS OUT! But go in with an attitude as they do, don't expect too much of it! Girls just wanna have fun,and a better life,you too maybe? or go for an older woman, one with a child,if your more to that category, they are more stable and serious. Depends on how old/young you're yourself And within reality!! not like (Anna nicole smith and her older husband).

Good luck

Thanks all of you for your valuable input. I take your warning and advise seriously. Look like going to Russian is better than 'ordering'.

But any one have success story? I'd like to hear someone to comment on prenup issue.


To this friend asking 'so what's the point':
I am sincerely looking for a RW for marriage, not just for 2 year free sex. I hope that I can get lucky and that she would stay with me. If that is the case, I don't mind to share everything of mine and to take care of her for the rest of her life.

But I've been told, including this board, many of them are just interested in green cards. A prenup should provide a defense line. Does it not?

Success stories are not many, negatives are huge(scamartists & agencies)you must be aware of this.Read the RWL or links on this messageboards, they will give you good links to messageboards & forums about this sort of questions,Guide you and give you realistic view points from those having been were you now start, or give me your mailaddress and I'll mail you a few valuable URL:s to those sites myself.

Happy Hunting&Knowledge.

Thanks for responding to the question.

I think K1 visa gives you about three months to decide on whether you want to marry this person or send her back to where she belongs, if she appears to be a fraud. Not a very long time, I am afraid, as things can be very smooth for the first 90 days.

You asked about pre-num as means from protecting yourself from future negative experiences. You also mentioned that if the woman turns out to be a really great wife and stand up to your expectations, then you won't think about getting a divorce, and that's natural as well.

However, think what the woman would think even if she's honest and trustworthy, if you make her go for a pre-nup. Well, to my mind, there will always be mistrust and to feel safer she will start looking for a better spouse for herself, the one where she can really feel that this relationship is taking her somewhere, not something where you can send her off to home country just after the first major fight or misunderstanding.

Also, green card, etc. cannot be covered by pre-nup. This agreement covers your property and your possessions, the Green Card is the property of INS and Department of State, thus if later on you get as divorce, she loses right to your property (in case of pre-nup), but she still keeps the Green Card, thus I think you're a little bit off the road there, but that's okay, issues can be complicated.

Judge for yourself, go there, stay there for a month or so, don't go for fancy rides, etc., but take a month and live with a woman there, just to get to know her better. Then maybe during your 3 month K1 stay you will be more sure as for who she really is.

Green card can't be covered by prenup. I understand that and would not even try to put it in the prenup.

I agree with you that prenup can cast shadow of mistrust in a relationship. But I do think that prenup is neccessary. One should protect oneself at all times.

Also anyone have related good links to messageboards, forums and resources, please post URL's here. Thx.

Yes , I think is a good idea, and not even to married
a Russian Lady, but any lady.I was married for many years here in the States and now I wish I had one.