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Abortion to be paid for by all in pelosi bill according to Liberty Counsel

November 7 2009 at 5:19 AM
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Mathew Staver, Founder and Chairman
Liberty Counsel

The House is rushing toward a Saturday vote on a
massive healthcare bill-and shocking revelations keep
coming across my desk. See below. - Mat

Sandra,

I have recently learned that Speaker Pelosi's version of
ObamaCare includes the requirement of a monthly abortion
premium to be paid by enrollees in the plan!

This means that not only does ObamaCare mandate
abortion coverage and taxpayer funding, it also
mandates that all enrollees must specifically pay
an abortion "premium" every month!

No matter how hard Nancy Pelosi tries, there is no hiding
the fact that ObamaCare will be the largest expansion of
abortion since Roe v. Wade! And this is just one of the
MANY reasons we find this bill to be so outrageous.

+ + Please keep the calls and faxes coming!

The latest word from Capitol Hill is that the House vote
could take place any time between Saturday afternoon and
Tuesday. Reports indicate that Pelosi is having trouble
securing enough votes and the abortion issue is turning
out to be the key!

We have carefully targeted the most crucial pro-life and
moderate Democrat Representatives to get the best leverage
at this crucial hour. So PLEASE continue to take action...

+ + Fax and Call Congress NOW!

EVEN IF YOU HAVE DONE SO ALREADY THIS WEEK...

I need every Liberty Counsel team member to call their
Representative and take part in our powerful Fax Barrage.

If you can, go to the link below to schedule a round of faxes
to be delivered as soon as possible (even on the weekend) to
your Representative and other key leaders:

http://www.libertyaction.org/r.asp?U=22842&CID=297&RID=22575034

After you send your faxes, please call your Member of Congress.
Here is the contact information:

Rep. Boozman 202-225-4301

Or, call the Congressional switchboard and ask for your member
of Congress: 202-224-3121.

Also, I have prepared a special audio message with the latest
information. Go here:

http://www.libertyaction.org/r.asp?U=22843&CID=297&RID=22575034

Thank you and God bless you!


Mathew Staver, Founder and Chairman
Liberty Counsel

P.S. ObamaCare is an affront to every taxpaying American. Help
me embolden the courageous lawmakers standing against the
Obama/Pelosi arm-twisters! We can not let up! I assure you
the other side is mustering all of its strength to PUSH
this monstrous government takeover of our healthcare system.
The President himself will be visiting Capitol Hill to add
further pressure on moderates who are standing up to his
attempt to take over our healthcare system. THANK YOU for
your perseverance and God bless you!



Luv In Christ
Sandy
THE LIBERAL SOUL SHALL BE MADE FAT, AND HE THAT WATERETH SHALL BE WATERED ALSO HIMSELF.(PR. 11:25)

 
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Abortion

November 7 2009, 10:59 AM 

Not everyone lives in the La La Land of of those opposing money for abortions. It would be extremely rare to find a person who is FOR abortion. Pro-choice people sincerely hope this choice will be to give birth. But the reality is, abortions are going to happen. If a woman, girl, who for whatever reason insists upon having an abortion but does not have the money to fly to Europe for an abortion, she will have, if you have your way, to revert to the pre-Roe-Wade days when abortions took place under the most filthy of conditions.

I'm sure these butchers in the U.S. and in Mexico are hoping you La la Land residents win and money for sanitary, safe abortions is unavailable. Because if you win, so do they. The wives and daughters of the wealthy could fly to Europe, but, because of people like you, the poor will be left to the slimey butches of old. First you deny health insurance to the poor, now you want to refuse the poor money for abortions, forcing them into rooms in which you wouldn't keep your dog or cat. In the case of health insurance, you prefer insurance companies to the poor. Now you prefer abortion butchers to the poor. Ah, but we do love Jesus.

Would you be willing to have your taxes increased to provide food, clothing, a home (with love), an education, health and dental care for unwanted babies brought to term. After all, it is you and those like you, who are forcing these unwanted children into the world. Put your money where your collective mouth is.

Can you guarantee everyone of these unwanted children will be adopted?

Will you take responsibility for the newborns abandoned in dumppsters...some alive, some dead? Or is your unrealistic piety all you can see?

Can you guarantee everyone of them will be adopted into homes in which they are loved.

Do you ever think about anything other than your own narrow fanatical religious beliefs?

 
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Re: Abortion

November 8 2009, 6:06 AM 

Yes, if they all would listen to me and keep their pants on , before getting in the fix needing one because of not wanting the life within them for their own selfish reasons, the majority of them would be eliminated in the first place. And those that would need one for medical reasons concerning threatening their own life, would be able to get one anyway if they so desire by a reputable doctor just as was always available before.

So puleeze don't give me that crap your trying to feed me concerning their not being an answer to all of this in the first place, our having the absolute need to kill babies purposely for no reason other than to dump that life in the trash by aborting them at all. As there is a responsible answer to this delemna your speaking of after all.

Luv In Christ
Sandy
And he said unto them. Take heed what ye hear; with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you: and unto you that hear shall more be given. For he that hath, to him shall be given; and he that hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he hath. (MK 4:24-25)


    
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If they'd keep their pants on

November 8 2009, 11:03 AM 

and their legs crossed. Yes, that would solve the problem. But the real problem is that annoying human condition called reality. And the reality is, pants are not going be kept on and legs are not going to stay crossed.

This reality (a word the residents of La La Land cannot tolerate) is, this creates children. Many of these embryos at whatever stage of gestation, are going to be aborted. Reaity can be cruel, brutal, disgusting, but reality ain't goin away.

We can be a civilized nation and provide money for abortions to be safe and sanitary for the mother, or we can do the unrealistic thing of denying reality, not provide this money and put the abortion butchers of pre Roe-Wade back in business. That's the reality. And fanatical, unrealistic, religious zeal is not going to make this reality disappear.

When I was an Orthodox Christian, I was taught that innocent babies who die go straight to heaven. Catholicism even did away with Limbo. Babies die, they go straight to heaven. Isn't getting to heaven the goal of Christianity?

I'm sure Sharon Tate, at the time of her murder, wished Charles Manson had been aborted.

Do you think the loved ones of the victims of Son-of-Sam type serial killers would have been opposed to these maniacs having been aborted.

The same can be said of those who abduct, rape and murder little girls.

Advances in genetics are getting us ever closer to the time when it will be known whether an embryo will grow to become a serial killer. Which would be the greater sin, to abort one person, of knowingly let them live to kill many.

Hypothetical situation. It turns out that Christianity was correct. There is a God and a judgement following death. I come before God and he says to me that I am responsible for the horrible rape and murder of several people; that the person who commited these atrocities was scheduled to be aborted. But instead of minding my own business, I interferred, preventing the aboution of this fiendish fellow. Will I be held responsible for the murders? After all, the other fellow was insane and I knew it. Geneticists said he was, what he would do. I was told, but interferred anyway, preventing his abortion. What can I expect from God?

 
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Re: If they'd keep their pants on

November 8 2009, 8:54 PM 

So your answer for those that are unable to control themselves as a result of the flesh taking over, rather than their following after the Spirit until one marries. is to resolve the sin they committed previoulsy by simply committing another one instead of doing what it says they are to do in 1st Cor. 7:
35: And this I speak for your own profit; not that I may cast a snare upon you, but for that which is comely, and that ye may attend upon the Lord without distraction.
36: But if any man think that he behaveth himself uncomely toward his virgin, if she pass the flower of her age, and need so require, let him do what he will, he sinneth not: let them marry.
37: Nevertheless he that standeth stedfast in his heart, having no necessity, but hath power over his own will, and hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin, doeth well.
38: So then he that giveth her in marriage doeth well; but he that giveth her not in marriage doeth better.
39: The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord.
40: But she is happier if she so abide, after my judgment: and I think also that I have the Spirit of God.


Very typical answer you give Striver for anyone walking in the ways of the world all of their life. And you the age you claim to be encouraging such things a murdering babies. But hey take comfort in that you are not the only one doing so for sure. There are many that have done so before. My prayer is that those that have are listening to the likes of you and yours, having humbled themselves and repented. But also know many will not too sadly.

Also, I don't know if you realize this. But you cannot even have clean hands by encouraging others to do what you and others are encouraging either. People just think they can wash themselves of their part in this, but they cannot. Their needing to repent too.

Luv In Christ
Sandy
EXCEPT THE LORD BUILD THE HOUSE, THEY LABOUR IN VAIN THAT BUILD IT, EXCEPT THE LORD KEEP THE CITY, THE WATCHMAN WALKETH BUT IN VAIN. (Pr. 107:1)

 
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You can't have it both ways here.....

November 10 2009, 2:02 AM 

if striver is as how you publically judge him...then you cannot say he has blood on his hands.....for he is walking in seems right to him....if Striver KNOWS in his heart abortion is a 'sin' or wrong then he would be accountable....

but you can't have it both ways.....judge him as carnal.....then....render a judgement on him as if he was of the spirit.

what was that scripture you like to quote sandra?

1 Corinthians 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

this is the danger of judging. why not just speak as a wittness to what you believe G-d thinks on abortion instead of getting into this accusing match....eve3rytime it fails you and distracts from any good points you are making.

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Striver, a question

November 10 2009, 1:09 PM 

In a universal heath care system limits are placed on certain spending. I believe that abortion is murder,so then do you think it's right or fair that my tax dollars should pay for what I consider to be murder? There is no law against abortion and I've been told that it doesn't cost that much so, why not just pay for it yourself, if you believe that's it's okay? Or, is a Republic really not a democracy of government for the people and by the people? Isn't this imposing taxation without representation? Just wondering.

God Bless: Joanne

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