that at least in this area, new car prices are right at or 1% over invoice. The 2011 program vehicles, which do not get as high mpg, with 35,000-40,000 miles on them (past warranty), are only $1000 to $1500 less. And everything I'm finding at $9000-10000 have 90,000+ miles on them.
It is hard to find a good used car at a low price in these parts right now.
"Live in such a way that you would not be ashamed to sell your parrot to the town gossip." --Will Rogers