Dynamic Systems/Autism

In this forum participants discuss the implications of dynamic systems for understanding autism and other developmental disabilities. Participants will discuss the implications for practice and research.


Being differently brained

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Hi,
I've enjoyed the postings here, which are stimulating and challenging. As Alan has pointed out elsewhere, the personal accounts with autism should be an important part in our thinking about same. I wanted to share a paper that I've read by a woman with Asperger's Syndrome, thought by some to be a variant of autism. You can find it onthe web at http://www.inlv.demon.nl/subm-brain.eng.html#2. The author is eloquent with an activist mentality. Hope you enjoy!
Heather

Posted on Feb 9, 2000, 11:27 AM
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Educational opportunity

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As a person who has heard a lot about autism, but has little knowledge about what autism is and how life plays out for individuals with this diagnosis I look forward to the information I will read here. Thanks for providing the forum
---Mary Anne Ingles

Posted on Jan 31, 2000, 9:11 AM
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This looks great! Thanks, Alan!

I would like to jump right in with a few questions that I've been wondering about. Maybe someone else will have an idea about how to answer them. I seems we all agree that many of the activity patterns developed by people with autism look like the deep, narrow wells (strong attrators) mapped out by Esther Thelen and her colleagues, in that they are hard to avoid and hard to break out of. I would suggest that there are also a lot of deep, wide wells with several small peaks in their valleys, representing the clusters of quickly shifting behaviors with which certain situations are met. It seems to me that many times the perturbations which underlie certain choices of activity can be very slight -- often we cannot figure what they are -- but the range of choices themselves is limited. But there is another phenomenon that I don't know how to fit into that type of representation, and that is the common experience of being stuck at the point of a phase transition (or phase shift). All I can think of is wells with sticky rims. If the ball goes in, the activity becomes stable or quasi-stable, but if it bounces out of the rim, the system seems to go into chaos. Any thoughts?

Next question: It seems that stable or quasi-stable wells are formed by the interactions of three elements: perception, action (motor activity), and their linkage in real time. But people with autism have a problem with accurate and reliable real time linkages. I keep thinking of the baby in Phil Teitelbaum's research videos -- the one who was trying so hard to mouth the pair of sunglasses. Her head went one way, while her eyes went another way, while her arms went yet another way. What happens when a system tries to form patterns/wells out of such out-of-synch elements? Would the observation that perception and action aren't bonding well in time account for the formation of behavior patterns that we perceive as inefficient, or as having that "almost but not quite" quality which can be so frustrating to people with autism as they struggle to accomplish an activity using a pattern that seems strongly locked in, but that doesn't really work too well?

Last question: How does what we know about dynamic systems theory and the formation of activity patterns fit with what we know about the neurology of autism? I am intruiged by the research finding that, both before and after birth, the brains of people with autism do not go through the usual pruning down of brain cell populations. In other words, there can be too much connectivity, to a point where it becomes inefficient. I think of Barbara Moran saying, "My brain always gets there in the end, it's just that it takes the scenic route." There is also the example of Donna Williams, and the way her sense impressions from different modalities quickly fuse and overwhelm each other. Could this overconnectivity be a possible explanation for the formation and persistence of inefficient behavior patterns/wells -- that is, does the system come together into a pattern too quickly because it is overconnected, and therefore too inflexible to spend sufficient time exercising and selecting among a wider variety of options? This might have implications for what O.T.s do, and maybe some of them would have answers.

Thanks again for the opportunity to share and get feedback on these thoughts.

Posted on Jan 31, 2000, 8:29 AM
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Pat: What wonderful questions! You've given us a lot to think about. I get the feeling we all are thinking along somewhat the same trajectory.

I like the analogy of the deep wide wells with several small peaks in their valleys.

Concerning question #1, Could it be that when a person lacks a wide range of options for action - has few attractors? On the other hand, because of problems with the linkage in real time of perception and movement, s/he has difficulty constructing new patterns - new attractors. When the old well or pattern is no longer working satisfactorily, the ball just rolls around on a semi-flat dimpled surface, dipping briefly into a series of very shallow wells and rolling back out again. Martha in referring to Anne's email (which I read but can't find) said: "When a situation calls for actions that are not well established, the system's scan of shallow wells may become almost aimless, switching from one assembled group of actions to another. Thus, Anne's reference to "System shifts and shutdowns."

The difficulty linking movement and perception in real time might make it difficult for the person to deepen shallow wells or to put together old behavior in new functional ways (components of complex behavior existing as separate shallow wells are not easily combined or integrated to form new more complex behaviors). Eventually the frustration might result in simply returning to old patterns after finding the exploration of new patterns unproductive. Would this account for the "stickiness" of the deep narrow wells? Would this be particularly true in social situations in which the window of opportunity for creating a new response is relatively brief? When a new timely response cannot be organized then you go to the tried and true - rituals, echolalia, deep wells etc.? Of course if these old ways were as effective as the person would like s/he would not be exploring new patterns. Maybe after s/he slides back into that deep well s/he moves about quickly and perhaps desperately through the valley from one small peak to another (ala your small peaks within wide valleys.

Where in the brain does the "pruning" fail to take place? Is it in areas that would affect the integration of percpetion and action?

Posted on Jan 31, 2000, 10:44 AM
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response to Pat's #2 question

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Hi Pat! My first thought has to do with how the CNS screens information. Remember, the problem with having too many connections creates a more primary problem of what needs to be screened out. By providing input via movement (vestibular) or deep pressure (proprioception - awareness of our body in space), the CNS screen called the Reticular Activating System (RAS)is stimulated and thus helps inhibits sensory input or overload. Paradoxically, it is the inhibitory centers of the brain that are not working. It's what happens to us when we are under extreme stress and we have difficulty keeping information out and subsequently lose our ability to react efficiently. However, most of the time, since our CNS is organized and "integrated", we can decide what needs our attention and react accordingly. I hope this makes sense. Chuck

Posted on Feb 5, 2000, 8:26 AM
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Welcome Chuck!

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Welcome Chuck!! I am glad to see that this forum is expanding - ever so slowly. I just hope that we get contributors from places other than Ardmore, PA and Orono, ME.

The newsletter Science in Autism Treatment, which provides "accurate, science-based information" and promotes "access to effective treatment," while at the same time slamming everything except ABA published a critique/editorial of SI. Would you like a copy? I know how to respond to them when they criticize FC but I don't know what to say to them about SI. I'd love to know how you would respond.

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I hope this forum works. Thanks for setting it up, Mr. Kurtz!

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Hi everyone! I am just sending a message to see if this works.

Alan

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