Perhaps it is a mac thing? I have a mac at home and I pointed out the b/g bug before in Avalon. So I think that maybe somehow it is a mac thing. Which is annoying, but oh well. BTW, I'm painfully writing this message because the message forum bg is still a 1x1 pixel. And I almost went back to Avalon's forum to type this..... instead I think I'll hit respond and go to bed. Fortunately the bg doesn't crash my computer, just forces me to watch it redraw the screen p a i n s t a k i n g l y s l o w l y . . . . . . . . . . . .