The C16, C116 and Plus/4 Discussion Board

Reading External ROMs?

by James C

Does anyone know how to read (not execute) a ROM? What I want to do is copy the code from my Script/Plus cartridge to a file, then move it to my emulator on my PC so I can use it on the emulator.

I've found ROM images of Calc/Plus, Jack Attack, and the Scott Adams games, but Script/Plus seems to be the elusive one.... if anyone has already done this, please let me know!

James C


Posted on Dec 13, 2001, 2:56 PM

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It's possible also in software

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Well, if the ROM is not autostart, or it's possible to fall back somehow to "normal" mode, it's even possible to read the contents from software on the plus/4 itself (just a small machine code with ROM paging), like for example with the 3-PLUS-1 software.

But if it's autostart and you ccan't get out of it, it can only be done with appropriate hardware tools. A knew once a web site telling you haow to do it, but I don't have that anymore handy. Maybe you could make a search on Google?? (ROM dumping, or so)

Posted on Dec 13, 2001, 7:45 PM

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Well you've got the right idea

by James C

You are thinking along the same lines that I am. However, the pages I'm finding online are for the C64, not the Plus/4 or C16.

I need to be able to do this with my Plus/4, as obviously the Script/Plus cartridge won't fit in my 128D's cartridge slot.

James C


Posted on Dec 17, 2001, 2:10 AM

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If you can wait for some days, I'm pretty sure

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I had the dump of ScriptPlus.
I only have to find the time to search for it in my soft collection.
(Also nobody wrote a SW able to search inside multiple
D64 images )

Greetz.

S\_/S of [FIRE]

Posted on Dec 18, 2001, 1:32 PM

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I know where it ISN'T at....

by James C

Script/Plus is not in any of the 690 D64 images on Lando's site.... I've been through every one of them.

STARLIST from Star Commander website is great for making a text list of D64 archives. It chokes up on invalid directories, though. Once you have a text list of your D64s then you can so a simple text search with your favorite text editor for the file you need (presuming you can remember the filename).

That's how I did the txt listings for Lando.

James C


Posted on Dec 18, 2001, 7:27 PM

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Clarification of previous post

by James C

I did find a German version of Script/Plus, hacked into a PRG file, version 2.2, in D64 Archives numbers 277B and 285A. One of these two also had documentation that could be printed out. (version 872012)

However, I am looking for the English version as released on cartridge (version 1.13 from March or May of 1984).

I would prefer to have this as a ROM dump so that I can load it as a ROM in Minus/4 for Windows emulator.

James C

Posted on Dec 19, 2001, 7:36 PM

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I've just found it in my SW database,

by Anonymous

but it is the same version you specified (German 2.2)
Sorry.

S\_/S

Posted on Dec 20, 2001, 1:06 PM

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Thank you for looking......(text follows)

by James C

Thank you for taking the time to look.

I imagine that if worse comes to worse, I can upgrade my motherboard to work with this #$%@ XE1541 cable I bought a year ago, so that I can write 1541 disks from the D64 images I've downloaded. THEN I can use a real Plus/4 to hack the 2.2 version and re-convert it back to English.

Expensive and a time-consuming process, wouldn't you agree?

There's no way I can do this before the end of the year, so if anyone comes across the original 1.13 release, I would be most grateful.

Thank you again for your help!

James C

Posted on Dec 20, 2001, 3:15 PM

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for Lando =)

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Thanks for the info bit late checking the reply !!! =)
I cant get enough of this retro scene it gives me a warm feeling inside like back in the old days =)))
email me anytime as i think you share the same interests as I do =)
gary@burke247.freeserve.co.uk
new website in the making any help or info would be great=) no big files as I only have 56k!
if you want to join my site as a partner (I cant afford to pay anything but it would be rather a dedication retro thing rather than profit making..if your really into retro you will understand) that would be cool also need someone who knows flash very well??
my site is taking me soooooo long to finish as I always have new ideas!! but it is up although its not finished at all..
check it out anyways..
www.geocities.com/famisphere
also looking for free fast webspace that supports .sid files to upload whole site to, as geocities dosn't seem to be the best option! speak soon Gary..

Posted on Dec 9, 2001, 3:19 AM

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Icicle Works Cheat

by Sally

Does anyone know how to have infinite lives with Icicle Works? Three just ain't enough! (for me anyways, as it's been about fifteen years since I last played it!)

Cheers.

Posted on Dec 6, 2001, 10:46 PM

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You might want to try here. . .

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Hi,

Try Zsolt Prievara's site, he is the author of the excellent Winemu Plus 4 emulator.

Here is the link

http://winemu.emuunlim.com/

Then just click on the cheats link on the left hand side.

Regards,

Shuffler.


Posted on Dec 7, 2001, 12:56 AM

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Try this...

by Attila

It also depends on which version of Icicle Works you are playing. In case you use the one downloaded from Lando's site then the cheats at Zsolt's site won't work.

Further, if you use my emulator, Yape, you can directly edit the contents of the memory after pressing ALT+M (going into monitor)

Once in the Yape Monitor, you should try these:

Time will not decrease:
>6b0a e9 00

Infinite lives:
>62fb 4c

Make presents out of the ugly wolves:
>704c a2 0e

That's it! Have fun!


Posted on Dec 8, 2001, 3:16 PM

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Thanks old chaps!

by Sally

Excellent! Thankyou both!

Posted on Dec 8, 2001, 8:54 PM

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Loads of games on eBay

by Lando

If your intrested in getting hold of some originals hit the link below and have a scan:


http://search.ebay.co.uk/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&query=commodore+16&ebaytag1=ebayctry&ebaytag1code=3&ht=1&st=2&SortProperty=MetaEndSort&shortcut=2&BasicSearch=



Posted on Dec 3, 2001, 8:14 PM

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Commodore Plus 4 Repairs needed.

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Hi I have 2 Commodore Plus 4's and BOTH only the power LED Lights and Only disply is a black screen on both I need to know if anyone still repairs old Commodre computers.

Im in the US so if anyone knows of any here it would be appreciated.

I did try the normal TV hook up and to a monitor none worked.

Thanks Mike

Posted on Nov 30, 2001, 2:00 AM

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Could be cheaper to buy another P4

by Lando

Your fault sounds as if the TED is dead on both machines. Inside the machine there is a large mental case, the chip sat under that I would think at fault.

I`ve had a number of Plus/4 over the years most were dead and all had the same problem. If your lucky just by swapping this chip over with a working one it can sort the problem. Even though they may not work, they may be good for spares.....

regards,









Posted on Nov 30, 2001, 2:15 AM

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Re: Commodore Plus 4 Repairs needed.

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Hi Lando
Thanks for reply That stinks I was looking forward to getting in on the fun of the Plus 4 one I spent $15 on and the Boxed one that was claimed to be new was $80

Ugh Well if ya do come across a repair facility let me know or another plus4

Im staying away from plus 4 auctions I got stuck on the 2 above

Thanks again Mike

Posted on Nov 30, 2001, 3:31 PM

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Many Good Plus 4s Are Out There!

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There are LOTS of great Plus-4s out there, especially on Ebay. I've bought three myself, and they are all working.

Here are some tips:
-But from someone who can at least hook the thing up to a TV/monitor to see if it works, don't go for this "Power light comes on" crap!

-Email the seller beforehand and get an idea of what it is you're buying.

-make sure there is a power supply with it! these are harder to get than the Plus 4 itself - although you can probably get one with a cheap ($5) C64 system, too!

Don't give up, it's a great machine

Posted on Dec 1, 2001, 1:53 PM

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Look for a C16

by James C

Mike,

Look for a C16 in your local pawn shops, thrift stores, rummage sales..... the C16 uses the same processor and graphics chip that the Plus/4 does.

With a blank-screen symptom, the problem could be in either. The processor has to kick in to initialize the system before the graphics chip will know what to display.

James


Posted on Dec 1, 2001, 2:00 AM

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Actually...

by Attila

.. it is more likely that the TED chip (MOS7360 or 8360 if I'm right) went wrong. It provides the CPU with clock cycles, so if it is gone, then the CPU won't even have any idea on what to do...

Posted on Dec 1, 2001, 4:08 PM

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RE: Commodore Plus 4 Repairs needed.

by

Hi Again
I just got another Plus 4 and 1 1541 Disk Drive
and Beleive it or not This Plus 4 works and I got an email from a place that Repairs Plus 4's and other Commodore equipment in Illinois.

Sooo 3 times the charm I plugged it in and on my TV came the Startup screen! Woo Hoo Finally Ill get the other 2 fixed and sell one to some one who might need one or a spare 2 should be enough for me (I havent tested the 1541 yet)

Thanks for the help
Mike

Posted on Dec 11, 2001, 9:22 PM

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CP4

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My mother has come across a Plus 4 that my father had purchased a long time ago. All that she has is the main keyboard and power supply. Can any of you give me an idea as to where to find a purchaser for this? We don't have the complete system, and as we all have other computers, we don't really need this one.

Posted on Nov 28, 2001, 2:42 PM

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Commodore Plus/4 inquiry

by James C

In regards to the Commodore Plus/4 your mother found, is it in the original box? You can always auction it on Ebay or Yahoo, or post your location here and maybe someone would be interested.

Posted on Nov 28, 2001, 3:31 PM

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Commodore Plus 4

by

I may be interested I have 2 dead ones I cant find anywhere to get fixed Does it Fire up ok?

Mike

Posted on Nov 30, 2001, 3:32 PM

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Artur Noid for PC

by

Hi !

The Artur Noid for PC technology demo coming soon !

I hope.

Posted on Nov 28, 2001, 12:37 PM

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Flossie says "baa".

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1: I have played complete versions of "Revenge of the Mutant Camels II" and "Ancipital" on the PC, done in Blitz Basic by the Guildhall mob, and they are mighty fine.

2: The "Llamasoft Virtual Machine", an environment intended to allow me to produce updated versions of Llamasoft games, is nigh on complete on both PC and PocketPC platforms.

Keep an eye on http://www.llamasoft.co.uk and as things happen there will be more information there.

Maybe I should do Mac as well. It really doesn't take too much time to add new platforms to the list of supported hardware.

3: I went out in the field this morning, and Flossie said "baa".

\
(:-) - Yak
/

Posted on Nov 23, 2001, 2:33 AM

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She said baa it`s bloody cold :-)

by Lando

Sounds cool, how about an Amiga version lol











Posted on Nov 24, 2001, 9:37 AM

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GBA?

by Max Maslen

How about a GBA version of Sheep In Space?

I know you only like developing for the more obscure platforms but you developed a version of Tempest on the Playstation, no?

Posted on Dec 2, 2001, 12:00 AM

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Head Over Heels for C16 - wow

by

Hi there!

As I grew up with an C16 AND an Amstrag CPC my favorite games of the eighties were those 3D-isometric action adventures, which were most beautiful on the Amstrad (because of its 16 kb of graphics memory and 27 colors).

But I never knew there was a C16 conversion (ripped from an original C64 release I think) of 'Head Over Heels'.

Anybody interested in action action adventures should take a look at this one - it's a real gem.

Bye
Alf

Posted on Nov 22, 2001, 10:35 AM

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Does anyone know a complete c16/plus 4 games list?

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Hi there!

Yes, I'm searching for an (at least almost) complete games list for the c16/plus 4.
Does anybody know if it exists?
Or at least a good overview what came out for the C16?

Bye
Alf

Posted on Nov 19, 2001, 7:43 AM

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The best available

by Lando

I would guess the Plus/4 Data Base.

http://plus4.emucamp.com/info/index.html

Othrer than that I dont think your ever find a full list of games. Most of the big software house names that did release games should be there...



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Posted on Nov 19, 2001, 11:27 PM

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To all Plus/4 nutters alike

by Lando

Hi guys,
I sorry I have`nt responded to your messages and some emails you have or may have of sent

My fault, a big site comes at a price that I have to pay for. For the last 2 years my life was Work, Family and PLUS/4 day in day out. All my other intrests got pushed aside, I never washed my car in all this time, and still have`nt Me woman did it once she`s just saying to me now lol.

How it all started:
The way I saw things at the start of this site. Plus/4 emulation was gona die before it even started, as you all know it`s been a hard an long ride, (emulation coders not to blame) but more a fact of the C16/Plus4. Boy did we have a tuff time from day 1, but having said that she was the best and it wont be forgotten. NO SIR, I was shocked with the lack of C16/Plus4 related stuff online, but what people noramlly remember thier old machines by is some game or another they loved.

Of course I was the games man having had 300+++ originals (honest truth). Who was better to make a site all about games? I dought anyone, but because I was new to the web as a browser person it was time to have a play with HTML From that day on I never stopped, all my free time was Plus/4 releated. Yep I loved every moment of it, all the stuff we`ve shared and went through has been MAGIC!!!

Anyways on to the real story, I`m not pulling the plug, it time to take a back seat for a while and get on with other stuff I like doing before I go mad. Christ, since I`ve started the site I`ve seen my own Dreamcast die infront of me before I even turned the bugger on. Well almost like that I got some catchin up 2 do like play Shenmue for longer than an hour coz Shenmue 2 is almost here lol. Also if you take a close look at Luca`s Lone News 13, he not far from the truth. I`m also one of these people he was going on about...... Yep I`m a Ureil that own`s

It`s taken 15 or so years to get this far with the most respected help of many of you and all authors of this class software and it`s not over yet nor is my intrest in Plus/4 So smile, if I`m not updating then I`m here in spirit.

There is so much work 2 do that this is a job for life and not just for Xmas

C ya soon and take care,
Lando







Posted on Nov 16, 2001, 12:37 AM

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Thanks for all you've done Lando!

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This site, and all the work you've put into it has assured that the +4 will continue on for some years yet, and I am greatful!

I am not an old-time +4 user, although I did use other Commodore machines (from the C-64 to the Amiga 3000). I was always intruiged by the +4, but I never even saw one until I got one earlier this year.

Your site, and the others like it, have provided me with lots of resources that have allowed me to start enjoying this gem!

Thanks for everything, and take care of yourself!

Posted on Nov 25, 2001, 4:29 AM

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The shows not over yet :-)

by Lando

I cant take the credit, alot of peoples work here and alot of dudes suported me along the way. I wanted to give something back and help put the Plus/4 on the map seeing as C64 was owning the web

Anyways the shows not over yet, the future is looking good, I`m just taking it easy for now. There is still much work to do working along side Csabo (Plus/4 data base).

Cheers 4 now


Posted on Nov 25, 2001, 11:02 AM

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Addition

by Alf

As far as I know it was released by (yes) Sierra On-Line.

Alf

Posted on Nov 15, 2001, 10:38 AM

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Sorry

by

Of course this concerns "Wizard & Princess".

So anybody have that one for the c16?

Alf

Posted on Nov 15, 2001, 10:40 AM

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It was released by Melbourne House.

by Lando

Copyright to Clifford Ramshaw 1985.

Yeah I have it on tape, I dont think it`s available online any where

I`ll have to make a tap of it some day.

regards,




Posted on Nov 15, 2001, 12:31 PM

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Wizard & The Princess

by

Hi folks!

Does anyone have that special game? It was some kind of tiny role playing game for the c16/+4. There was a version for c64, too.

I'm looking for a copy of the c16-version.
Any help would be fine.

Bye
Alf

Posted on Nov 15, 2001, 10:31 AM

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D64 Recall not available?

by

Hi there!

I'm trying to download some D64 images from your D64 Recall Section - but I have no luck. Even the TXT-files won't work.
Server says "Unable to forward this request"
Anything wrong with the section? Offline or something?

Anyway - great website you made. Thanks for this jewel.

Greetings
Alf

Posted on Nov 15, 2001, 7:57 AM

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BAH! There are all up online line!!

by Lando

??????? It`s not u and I have not idea as 2 why they wont download

They copy fine back across, FTP. I tested 1

somit to do with the server and browsers. I`m still on Win98 and it still dont work 4 me.

Posted on Nov 15, 2001, 12:43 PM

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Hi Alf things are looking up

by Lando

I just got home from work and tested a couple and they downloaded fine. (thank F**K for that).

Wow it took me about 8 hours to upload that lot and would hate to do it again.

I dont have control of the server in how it works or the banners and stuff All I do is upload, not even sure how much space I`ve got Yeah it was somit to do with the server, this I dont understand......

regards,


Posted on Nov 15, 2001, 10:24 PM

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Funny

by

Hm, yes, funny that is. Everything's working fine now.
I don't know why, but it IS working.

Anyway, thanks for help.

Bye
Alf

Posted on Nov 16, 2001, 8:50 AM

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Help

by rico

Dudes, hope you can help. trying to play icicle works and run very slow. is it me machine, dial connection speed, or browser???

hope you can help

Posted on Nov 13, 2001, 7:40 AM

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Okay a lame attempt at help

by James C

I presume you're playing Icicle Works online through the Minus/4 Java that is on this site.

The way it works is that the Java runtime and the game data are downloaded to your machine, and then the game runs.

Therefore a lag or slow responses are most likely due to the machine processor, configuration, RAM available, Windows swap space, or other programs that you might have running at the same time.

I doubt that IE or Netscape would be the cause as long as you are running a fairly recent version (within the last year to 18 months).

Do any other online games from that page run slow (such as Exorcist or Saboteur)? If so, it's in your machine.... if not it could be how the game is written and may not be 100% compatiable with how it's being implemented ..... in which case you may want to download and install an emulator and the game itself on your machine.

James C in NTSC-land

Posted on Nov 14, 2001, 4:13 AM

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Lando! Contributions to the site :)

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Hey Lando,

I finally got my games package from Vincent (comtique), and I have some stuff to contribute, namely some cover scans and one game. Of course, if you want to.

The list of stuff I have that don't appear in the site is this:

- Football Manager (You don't have the game nor the cover scan, or I didn't find it :))

- Paperboy (I have a different cover, and perhaps you want the manual scanned?)

- Skelby [cover]

- Gnasher [cover]

- Galaxions [cover]

- Icicle Works [cover]

- Fire Ant [cover]

- Exorcist [cover]

- Crazy Golf [cover]

- Solo [cover]

- Leaper [cover]

If you want this stuff lemme know how to send it to you (format, pic size, email address, etc.)

Cheers!

- Akira
Shmups Mk2 - 2D Shooter Heaven
.:[ http://www.shmups.com ]:.

Posted on Nov 9, 2001, 4:53 PM

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Lando disappeared?

by Attila

I've been trying to reach Lando recently for a while, but he seems to be disappeared... Anyone has info over Lando?

Posted on Nov 13, 2001, 7:09 PM

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I do not know.... haven't heard from him for 3 weeks (nt)

by James C



Posted on Nov 14, 2001, 4:07 AM

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I had an e-mail from him dated Nov. 1st.

by SVS

S\_/S

Posted on Nov 14, 2001, 1:31 PM

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Hi m8

by Lando

Wow great to hear you got your goods Nice one.

In tap only Football Manager is online, it`s right at the bootom of the page (none-turbo):
http://plus4.emucamp.com/mtapimages.htm

Yeah my paper boy cover is the budget 1 I also have a full price one. But cheers for the thought m8 ta.

I have 250+++ C16/Plus4 games on cassette (all originals) and once apon a time I had 300+++ long story.

I`m in need of a Solo it self!!! cover and TAP also. I also need a Football Manager cover as mine is loose. I do know FM was released with 2 diffrent covers. 1 was a single cassette box and other was double casstte box. Which one do you have

hehe Nasher and Skelby were released by Yes! Software. I remember loading up thier other release "Golf 16k" many years ago and saying NO! Software I liked how they used C3P0`s (starwars) head on the cover.




Posted on Nov 15, 2001, 11:25 PM

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Music on c/+4

by

Hello!

Are there any other possobilites to do sound on the +4 than VOL and SOUND?

Please visit my site:
http://www.8bit-musik.de

Posted on Nov 8, 2001, 8:16 PM

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Yes :)

by Akira

Get a SID soundcard for it and make SID music!

Perhaps there is some sort of TED tracker... Luca might be more helpful than me in this field.

- Akira
Shmups Mk2 - 2D Shooter Heaven
.:[ http://www.shmups.com ]:.

Posted on Nov 8, 2001, 8:32 PM

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1531 datassette cleanup question

by

I received a 1531 datassette (just after I FINALLY got that 26 games pack from Comtique... will post titles later if anybody's interested), and it's got a slight problem: the Play mechanism gets jammed. I suppose this is because it's bloody dirty, I opened it up and it's a bit grubbt, but if you push it back to its place, its OK.. so it surely needs a cleanup and proper lubrication.

Any tips about how to get this baby rolling?

Cheers,

- Akira
Shmups Mk2 - 2D Shooter Heaven
.:[ http://www.shmups.com ]:.

Posted on Nov 8, 2001, 5:49 PM

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1531 service manual online

by James C

Surely this online service manual will help:

http://www.devili.iki.fi/Computers/Commodore/C2N/Service_Manual/

James C


Posted on Nov 9, 2001, 2:42 AM

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Thanks a bunch :) [nt]

by Akira

- Akira
Shmups Mk2 - 2D Shooter Heaven
.:[ http://www.shmups.com ]:.

Posted on Nov 9, 2001, 4:49 PM

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FDD drive on a Plus/4?

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Hey peeps,

I was wondering ic CMD's FDD drives would work on a plussy?

Oh damn, I forgot, perhaps they dont because there are no drivers for the plus/4... anybody willing to do some? :P

cheers,

- Akira
Shmups Mk2 - 2D Shooter Heaven
.:[ http://www.shmups.com ]:.

Posted on Nov 6, 2001, 5:48 PM

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Yep, CMD FDD on Plus/4

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I use an FD-2000 on Plussy. 1.6Mb per disk.
The CMD hard drives will work on Plus/4 too,
but there is no JiffyDos.

Posted on Nov 12, 2001, 9:34 AM

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I read about some *fantastic* :) cartridges

by

as Easycalc 264, Superscript, MagicDesk, and other for Plus4 of course.
Are (were) they existing somewhere?
If yes please tell me the address
Thank you.

S\_/S


Posted on Nov 6, 2001, 5:00 PM

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Cartridges in question

by James C

EasyCalc 264 was released as Calc/Plus
SuperScript was released as Script/Plus
MagicDesk II was not released by Commodore. Status of software at time of discontiuation of project unknown. (This means that I don't know if the software was ever written, let alone ready to release before Commodore decided not to release it.)

I have a ROM image of Calc/Plus but am trying to find one of Script/Plus so I can submit both at the same time. If I don't have any luck within another week or so remind me and I'll post Calc/Plus.

James C


Posted on Nov 9, 2001, 12:40 AM

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