For years, people I know have been saying that there should be two AAA organizations in St. Louis. Sure the lou has enough talent for two Tier I clubs, right? This is just my opinion but I believe that St. Louis does not have enough talent after the 92 birth year. The 88-92 years were really talented and probably could have supported two Tier I teams. But from 93 and lower there just is not enough talent there. Case in point, the midget minor selects with 3 wins in 17 games. I know it is only mid october and lots of season left. Those 88-92 years got their starts when hockey was on the upswing.

The midget major selects are a competitive team but any talk of two tier I organizations is just out of touch in this current hockey climate.

It would appear the only thing out of touch with "the current hockey climate" is you. The records are meaningless for either AAA organization, it's about exposure & development against better competition. When you ask the scouts if they care about the record the answer is always the same, they're looking for players & not teams. The Selects just prove that point. So far scouts have inquired about at least 5 of the selects Mm's. That wouldn't be the case if they were at CS where almost no one sees them and it certainly doesn't hurt anyone on the AmBlues AAA. They still have their shot to show what they can do in front of those watching them and it won't matter what their record is if a player doesn't perform well or is sitting the bench when a scout wanders in to watch. It's time to get over the fact the Select are here or that you are a Mermis hater or any other personal BS and be glad more kids have an opportunity.

Shouldn't it be about development instead of winning. If the kids are afforded better coaching and competition by having two Tier I teams isn't that good enough? Or is the goal to just get on the team with the highest percentage of games won? The 98 Blues are one of the younger teams and they have a perfect record. Could they support two Tier I teams at 98? Are they developing more than the 96 Tier I team because they have the lowest winning percentage of the Blues teams? Too much enphasis is put on winning.

Blues AAA MM 6 wins in 11 games .545%
Blues AAA mm 9 wins in 13 games .692
Blues AAA 95 11 wins in 16 games .688
Blues AAA 96 7 wins in 16 games .437
Blues AAA 97 12 wins in 17 games .705
Blues AAA 98 7 wins in 7 games 1.00
Blues AAA 99 4 wins in 8 games .500

You could be right, we probably should have 6-7 Tier I teams for every birth year in st louis so all kids get "maximum exposure" and get "scout inquiries".

1:14

Is your post a sarcastic whine or are you just that stupid?

Well if two AAA organizations are not stupid to give more kids exposure, what is the number of too many AAA organizations?

So you just proved your point, you are just an whiney idiot.

We will see how many of the kids make their way on to JrA rosters.

My opinion is that (2)AAA is the MAX for this area and that might be (1) too many. I think we need to evaluate what we have right now to see how well it works. (2)AAA for MM & mm seems to be working, I think if you try to do that at all age levels it is too much. The point is exposure to scouts right? Well that doesn't really happen at Squirt, PeeWee & Bantam so what is the use at those levels? It happens at Midgets.

As much as I would like to see all the best kids on one team, I know it never really happens anyway. So for the overall development and exposure (2) at MM & mm feels right. However (1)AAA at those levels would have a greater potential for national championships.

In answer to 1:45PM's question, it would seem pretty clear at least 2 is not too many. Why not just let the market place work. If you deliver on what you say, you'll be supported and your program will grow. If you don't deliver, players will go to those places that are delivering. But it should not be up to any one program to decide if another should have a chance. In the end, you'll get the number that satisfies the market. If you let only the first program to get established decide how many there will be, you'll never find out how many you need or how many the market can support.

Two organizations means double the MILFS and double dumpy unathletic dads. We need that.

MILF-Man, though you are always entertaining, in a "drunk-psychotic-mumbling the same incoherent phrase to himself on the corner-while pushing his shopping cart" kind of way, your logic is flawed. The MILFs & dumpy dad's don't double, they just get reassigned.

Law of Supply and Demand

As long as there are nut job parents that think there 10 year old will play in the NHL, there will be the demand!

MONEY - MONEY - MONEY

How much money do you think Mike Zuke gets for coaching the Selects U16 Team?

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Try close to
$15,000!

Which is by the way the same as Lindsay Middlebrook Chesterfield CSDHL Midget Coach and Director gets. Yes, the every player in the club is paying for the the short little midget.

3:43, are you paying for either one? If so, don't pay and your problem is solved. If not, don't worry about it, man. Life is too short to have a major thinker like you waisting his time on something that's already been solved or doesn't have anything to do with him. Instead we desperately need you out there solving the really big problems of the world rather than telling people how to spend their own money. We have politicians to do that for us, but thanks anyway for the effort.

I don't think I would want to pay $10,000 for my son to play for a diluted AAA team that has a hard time winning a game. Good coaching, I'll admit that's probably the case, but still doesn't sound real enticing. But that's just me.

Then don't do it, but quit judging others by your litmus test and your view of what any particular program's worth is without being a part of it to see for yourself. They are free to do what they want with their money.

You are right...I agree. You can do anything you want with your money. In the meantime I hope your kid does good in school and you have enough money to send him to college.

Because the odds of him playing at a high level of hockey are miniscule.

But hey what the hell he is living the dream for you!

If your definition of a higher level is junior or college, you don't have a clue what you're talking about. From last year's Blues and Selects teams, there must be close to 15 of them playing in college, the USHL or the NAHL this year. More if you include all of them playing junior hockey. That's hardly miniscule. If you're capable of playing AAA Midget hockey you have a very good chance of advancing to the next level out of St. Louis. Check out the college and junior rosters sometime, St Louis is very well represented. If you believe some of the clowns on these boards only one or 2 kids a year advance, which is totally false.

And trust me, most of them are doing just fine in school. They won't take you unless you have better than average grades, it's the first thing they ask about all the kids. Whether they end up in college or the NHL, the lessons they've learned from playing hockey at a high level will serve them well in the future and is money well spent.

I agree. I was merely saying I don't think I would spend the money for a team that struggles, but if you choose to do so, more power to you and your kids. Last I checked, it was a public message board and opinions are what it's about.

Get a clue my son plays hockey at the elite level and AAA was worth every penny. No matter what happens to him in life he now has an experience he will never forget and I don't pay one red cent for the experience........ If you want your son or daughter to succeed they have to go through the AAA door........ Few go from CS on to Junior A Tier I or Junior A Tier II.

I guess it does depend on what going to the next level is defined as. Over the last five years take a quick guess on how many kids have received a college committment?

18.

A lot of kids have tried JR A and a few have even succeded at that level.

Guess what if that is all they get it is more than you ever had. So don't deny people the chance no matter what you think it is a great experience. If you don't agree then take your kid out of hockey. The next level is Junior A so some move on while others find the commitment is much different than they ever imagined. That being said there is a learning experience which one can never take away.

Cavallini's MM teams have done well because he was able to draw kids who would easily made the blues this year and last year. Their midget minor select team was not that way. If anyone wants to drink the kool aid and believe the bull on that mm team, that is certainly your choice.

I'd rather pay the freight on a weaker AAA team (at midgets) than pay a lesser amount for CS. At least at AAA my kid has a shot; at CS it's 100% waste of money if your kid's goal is juniors.

I think hanging a goal out there for kids is a great thing. gives them something to shoot for. Keeps them motivated, out of trouble and teaches them the values of hard work, discipline and sacrifice. Sure, only a few make it to NAHL, USHL and NCAA but that's what makes it special.

5:10- what a doof you must be around the office. I am no fan necessarily of CS but it serves its purpose and I know of players who have been brought up to AAA that then went on to play JR's. So what is your point?

Any time a renegade operation gives a faction of the hockey community an opportunity that is always good? There are many issues with all of this and a simplistic view doesn't help.

Is there a board that anybody anwers to? What if somebody doesn't pay? What if the coach abuses your kid? Who is in charge and responsible to the players and parents?

Time bomb waiting to explode if you ask me.

People can spend their money however they want and kids should have whatever dreams they want. But if you get cut from a Tier I team and then make the next Tier I team do you really believe there is any chance if this happening?

It's all about development. Tier one programs typically get more ice time to do so. The select program is a good example of this. They offer some kids who got board early a chance to become legtimate tier one players. AA/CS programs are designed for those players that have other priorities other then hockey.

The Affton 95 Central States team has 5 wins and 5 losses vs Tier 1 competetion so far. So to the poster. There is defenitely enough talent at the 95 level Affton should get into the NAHPL.They are a perfect fit for the league being a central location in the US.

You could have 2 good AAA teams. The myhockey rankings are a pretty good gauge. If you lump all the Tier I and Tier II teams together, here's what you get:

99
Blues #16
Affton #27

98
Blues #1
Affton #31

97
Blues #4
Affton #19

96
Blues #2
Affton #42

95
Blues #4
Affton #40

That's without addding several top kids from the other local Tier II teams to the Affton squad. Seems like we have enough players to develop 2 Top 20 AAA programs. Heck, Florida has 3 Tier 1 orgs.

That is not necessarily true. Some of the CS kids are just as dedicated to hockey as the AAA kids are. For one reason or another, they are playing CS instead of AAA. That reason may be getting cut from AAA, money, school, anything. AAA is better than CS. CS is better than AA. AA is better than A1......

This is true and always will be true. But there are plenty of examples of kids that got cut from AAA, went to CS and improved and made AAA the next season. Each level provides more touches than the lower level. More touches means more improvement. AAA doesn't really mean anything until Midgets. There are plenty of kids that are playing AAA right now at levels other than Midgets, that will not play at that level. Consequently, there are kids playing CS right now that will be playing AAA as Midgets. CS is a good place to improve, play high level talent including AAA teams and get better for the next season.

The more kids playing AAA, whether that is on the Selects or as part of the Blues, the better it is. CS serves it's purpose. It is better hockey than MOAM and it provides the kids that are boderline AAA players the chance to play AAA teams and see where they stand for the future. It is very possible that there are several kids on the CS teams that will be on the AAA Midget teams next season.

The borderline AAA players that are dedicated that play Central States will improve with the extra AAA ice time. The Selects are total prove of this. The 16 and under have mostly Central States players from last year. This team is visually improving as individuals and as a team with the extra ice and the guidance of a positive quality Coach. There is not a legitimate reason for the AAA Blues organization to ignore these hardworking improving players and organization. The sooner the St. Louis hockey community realizes 2 AAA programs are better for the overall hockey in St. Louis the better. Chicago grew into 4 AAA organizations and all teams have legitimate AAA players mixed with developing AAA talent.
{Build it and they will come}

Well here is the thing about Chicago midget Tier I hockey that is different from good old St. Louis. Just talk to the chicago parents how bitter they are that many of the midget players on Tier I rosters are out of town kids. "Thier" kids are not being picked for the tier I midget teams-which is when where you play matters.

Many a chicago hockey parent is bitter that "we supported your tier I organization for years and now that you are midgets our kids are kicked to the curb for the out of town studs"

Do not think that happens very often in St. Louis. Are there any kids on the blues midget major or midget minor roster that are not from here?

a goalie at MM. That's it.

District State Total 19&over 17-18 15-16 13-14 11-12 9-10 7-8 6&U
Central IL 21,954 5,767 1,791 2,478 2,737 2,645 2,670 2,271 1,595
Central IA 2,564 481 213 262 294 314 361 312 327
Central KS 1,453 743 64 67 136 144 127 107 65
Central MO 6,363 1,357 592 759 852 761 713 608 721
Central NE 1,563 207 168 208 214 220 179 176 191
Central WI 17,556 3,054 932 1,235 2,255 2,562 2,573 2,349 2,596

Even that goalie you speak of MM is a st louis kid. He played out of town for a little while. But he still is a st louis kid who came back to town this year.

10:19- does MM have a third goalie? Because both of the ones I know about are STL Kids. Another N54 idiot.

The better goalie grew up in STL and moved to TX for a few years but is back here.

there are 2 goalies on MM AAA both are from st louis one left when family moved to texas but is back to graduate with friends

So there are no out of town players that play for AAA Blues at the mm or MM level is the point?

I remember watching the one goalie when he played for Lindbergh as a freshman.

The AAA Blues only bring in out of town kids for the really important ages like 10-11-12-13-14 yrs old.

Look at what Gornett has done with the 95s, nothing short of amazing. Then look at the the U16 team, you take a group of players that finished #10 (u16) and #12 (94s) you put them together and you get a team closing in on #20. Maybe Morehouse and Gober knew what they were doing and the new guy don't.

Most of the good players on the Blues moved up up or are playing U18 at Selects, Coach M is playing with a very weak hand.

Well, Mayfield received a full committment from DU after playing AA, Central States for three years and only one year of mm AAA. He must have had a pretty good base and reasonable development prior to moving to AAA for the one year. Seems like a reasonable example of CS being a viable alternative to the AAA route through the younger years.

What is so nothing short of amazing about the 95s and Gornet?

Well I saw Mayfield play at Peewees, he was good enough to play AAA then. The kid was just damn good which had very little to do with where he played. I think him being the player he matured into much more of an indictment of it not really matter where you play until midgets.

These AAA teams are overrated. All but a handful of kids on each of these AAA teams are indistinguishable from most A1 and AA players. The AAA club works (i.e. remains financially viable) because there are enough parents with big headsa and big bank accounts who think that their kids are going to eventually play for Boston College or some other Division I school and then move on to the NHL.

I agree with the positive things said about Matt Gornet. He is a wonderful coach. I suspect that he is one of the few coaches who really do make a difference as to whether a team wins or loses. He is able to take a good team and make it an excellent team and God only knows what he can do with an already excellent team.

if you think the quality of games and competition at aa and central states is even close to the level at MM AAA then your an idiot

You are correct. Low end Midget AAA is close to Good CS. But there is nothing like watching the Mission and TI or Little Caesars and Compuware play at this level.

Gornett has taken a team that was poor last year, added a couple players and created one of the top AAA teams. The U-16 team has as much talent but the Coach still has a tier 2 focus. Morehouse and Gober got far more out of these kids than the current coach does.

most the teams in the MM super league any day anyone can win ,very competitive

Let's face it, most hockey players are wusses because they come from fairly well-to-do families; almost all aaa kids are wusses because they almost all come from near-rich to rich families. If you took the best athletes from north county or st. louis city and put them on the ice by no later than the age of 10, they would skate circles around most of today's midget aaa players.

Also, on another note, if you took the 20 best AA players, at any given age group, in the area and put them on one team within their given age group, each AA team would clean the clock of any AAA Blues team within the same age group. As a general rule, the most talented kids don't even try out for AAA or CS because they cannot afford the cost; consequently, the best kids do not play AAA or CS - they play AA hockey. I know that the AAA dads have already drunk the AAA Kool-Aid and will therefore disagree with that statement, but facts or facts.

Actually the real facts are if AAA wants your kid, money is not an issue. Plenty of AAA kids who did not have the means to play ended up playing. There are some now.

So you are the one drinking the AAA is only for the rich weanies and my atheletes from the bad ass areas could whip some ass.

You are full of it. If your kid truly has game, money is not an issue.

Yeah, right. Ha! Ha! Ha! If this is so, why isn't it advertised? I've been around AAA hockey all of my life, and with just one exception, all of the kids are paying full freight. These exceptions had nothing to do with the kid having or not having game, but rather it was because of an extraordinary and unpredictable circumstance the kid found himself in. Go peddle your nonsense elsewhere.

Guess your kid does not have enough game......

Anybody who uses the word "game" in the context of whether a kid has "game" or "enough game" is a wuss. And because the apple does not fall far from the tree, my original contention that the vast majority of aaa players are wusses, is undoubtedly correct.

If your stupid in enough to believe that AAA or Chesterfield or Affton for that matter doesnt pay for kids who cannot afford to play, then you are the sucker paying the full tilt!

It is a FACT. If a good is good enough and the coach and the organization wants the player, they will pay the way.

5:21

Have your little bad ass get some game and it will really help your finances......

dad is broke and the kid cant play

The 95aaa team has much improved talent this year and that's why it is doing much better. The U16 team is a different story. The U16 team last year had mostly 92 players on it, few 93s. This year's team is comprised of just a few 93s and mostly 94s. The coach is not Tier II minded. He has always been Tier I minded even when coaching Tier II. He will push the kids to their highest potential, no matter what level.

Thanks Bill and Jolene for the update. Yeas, you are the man. Hey, where is the fellow with the blue gloves?

A FACT?? The only FACT is if you do not have the money you will NOT be on the team. Same goes for CS, AA.......

FACT...It does happen .

You are either naive or stupid or some combination thereof. Every AAA team has people with very deep pockets. They want to win and if your kid can help they will contact you and work something out. If not, have fun playing wherever you are playing. Does the "unfairness" of that bother you? Well work on getting your kid better and have be a top line player at his birth year and you too can will experience it first hand....

i tried to start a team with city and noco boys but had to forfeit every game because most of roster was always in juvie or the workhouse.

It wasn't Bil or Jolene. It was me! There. Stick that in your **&^&^$&*^*&^. No one can respond in defense of Bil or else that happens. He doesn't care and neither does Jolene...about this board.

or about anything other than his ego.

The cowardly mancrush dude is back.

Previously poster writes, "Every AAA team has people with very deep pockets. They want to win and if your kid can help they will contact you and work something out."

Ha! Ha! Hmm! Rich dad is going to give you $8,000 to $10,000 so that your "Little-Johnny-Shit-in-the-Pants" can play AAA hockey with his boy. Talk about somebody who still believes in Santa Claus. Good grief!

The fact that the 95 Affton Central States team is 5 and 5 vs Tier 1 teams even though AAA took 2 of their so called top players says a lot for the depth of this birth year group. 3 of the 5 losses to Tier 1 teams were by 1 goal. Check the My hockey wins losses. The 95 Affton team should declare AAA and be in that 15-40 tier 1 ranking. They are competetive with quality Tier 1 competition ranked 10 to 40. Why play down when you are competetive with a better team? Its like a Moam Meramac team declaring A1 and winning that level but they should be playing AA.
St. Louis definitly has thje talent coming through the ranks to field 2 AAA teams. /No question/

Hey 1:55

I am sorry that your johnny shit in the pants sucks at hockey and does not have tier I ability. You are such an idiot to think money is a problem if and that is one big IF your kid is good enough. Guess your kid is not. That sucks for you and he.

Look in the 95 thread

2:28 I am sure there are a few rare cases where a player is provided financial assistance. There are several players that could easily play 2nd or 3rd line on any of the AAA teams that don't purely because of financial reasons. Unless you are "CLEARLY" a first line player, financial assistance will not be offered. To think otherwise is naive.

If you take the top 3 players at any AA age level and compare them to the 3rd line players of AAA team at the same age level, you will see these players are interchangeable. Why would they offer these players financial assistance when you have players that are of the same talent level and have parents that are willing to pay without assistance?

here is the facts straight up sometimes people are helped by others who can afford it.but in life there are people who have more than others,because of work,drive,luck,whatever you want to say so get used to it

Of coarse that is the case, what you fail to admit is that in life there are also others that are capable of doing something but are limited because they DON'T have means and DON'T have someone with the means to help them. Nobody said life was fair.

that the facts

1:45, sorry jo.

no need to be sorry

AY...are you sorry because you are the mancrush dude? The facts are the facts, you are right.

fag

Sooo is the midget minor central states team at Affton going to take another forward and a goalie now
or what??? And if they do who will it be from the developmental team???

why would do that?

Affton 95s sweep Russel Stover AAA in KC
This thread is about reasons St. Louis should expand to 2 AAA Teams. The talent is there and eventually St. Louis will have 2 solid AAA programs. And the one program will welcome competition from the other AAA team and welcome teams that will travel here to play both teams.

works when they are younger but not MM

And now, the rest of the story.......

Affton did beat a horrible KC AAA team. The stars are ranked 70th in the nation and have won a total of one game. We have already determined that Affton CS would be ranked about 35th in the nation at AAA. The question becomes, is it better to be a top ten tier II team or a mediocre tier II team?

Now those are the facts without any biases in either direction...


The St. Louis U16 selects are a not so good tier I team. Is it worth it to spend 10 grand being a mediocre to poor tier I team instead of being a good tier II team?

I agree with 10:00 - Russell Stover is ranked 70th, no decent Tier 1 AAA team is going to want to play them (much less travel to play them) or any low ranked AAA team. If you have a Tier 1 Top Ten and a Tier 1 Top 40 team in St. Louis, good luck finding the competition to play them both. It doesnt help a Top Ten Tier 1 to plan low ranked teams, only hurts them and their ranking.

Again, the existing AAA parents are only looking through a narrow window of what is going on around them. If all of the best players that were cut from this years 95 AAA Blues tryouts were to go to a second AAA choice instead of dividing between Affton and Chesterfield CS, the talent would be available to have a more competive second AAA team. Not a team ranked in the thirties as you say the Affton CS team is at AAA. In fact if this team could exist, it would likely compete very well against the present 95AAA team. There is not questioning this fact.

Sure there is Mr. Facts.

There is always questioning and doubt and opinion.

You think you somehow have all the answers??

On this topic the answer is yes.

On this topic I don't even disagree with your position but to state you have all the answers shows your juvenile side.

1:47
Sorry for you lacking of sarcastic humor.

I think 95 Affton CS is a very good hockey team but when I try to make sense of supporting another "competitive" 95 AAA team, the numbers don't add up. I looked at Affton's schedule so far this year.

8W, 5L (playing all Tier 1 AAA teams)

Losses are against teams ranked #3, #15 and #46, plus an unranked team- #3 pretty much smoked them with 8-1, 11-1 losses.

Wins are against teams ranked #38, #44, #46, #48, #70(3 wins against #70 ranked).

I also believe in the philosophy that any team can beat any other team on any given day.

Affton CS - ranked 6 Tier 2
Chesterfiedl CS ranked 22 Tier 2 (4W, 6L to mostly AA teams)

How many players would come from Chesterfield and how many from Affton to make a solid AAA Tier 1 team? seems to me in order to do that you would have to have a better winning record among both teams to create a high quality team.

I do think there are a couple of CS players with a good shot at AAA Midget Minor next year. The boys are still developing so who knows, perhaps it is possible, but the numbers don't add up today.

Divide the talent of the 95AAA up by 2 and see where they rank at AAA. Likely below either Affton or Chesterfield. For that matter just take three of their picks from this year off the team and see where they fall. Your numbers mean nothing when just a few players and a good coach can make huge a difference in the numbers.

2:39

That is the way it works for AAA hockey. The top ten players play 75 percent of the games.

Affton files for AAA status soon...

Yes, and your point?

We have been over this 1000 times, you can not have a tier I and tier II club. Affton will not file for a tier I club. Got it, great!

And to take it a step farther lets analyze the 95AAA record:

Month of September: 8W, 5L

W= #9(4x), #10, #11, #63
L= #2, #3(2x), #9(2x)


Month of October: 8W, 2L

W= #6(C), #24(C), #40(C), #43(C), #46, #52(3x)
L= #12(C), #46


Schedule shows they will play Team Illinois, #3, in 6 games Oct/Nov back to back, a good showing will be crucial, plus they are in the Nike division of the Nike/Bauer tournament. Although October started out with playing some lower ranking teams, over the next 21 days they will play many of the top teams in the nation. Pretty impressive schedule and I wish them well.

2:39 takes more than 3 players to make a hockey team. solid d is a must and AAA only made one change there. they added 3 forwards, one is outstanding and the other 2 are contributing well just like the other 6 forwards on the team. I agree with the coaching, outstanding. biggest thing is this coach seems to have created some team chemistry/dynamics- good supportive parent group.

so you think if you took 1/2 of Affton and 1/2 of Chesterfield you would have a Top Ten AAA team? would it require a change in coaching as well?

I never said all of the other things you mentioned didn't count. I never said top ten team, I said a team that could compete and give the 95 AAA a good game. Sounds like you have your chest poked out a bit and are taking offense to someone believing that there is more talent in the St. Louis area than just what's on the 95AAA team. I mentioned the 95AAAs had the majority of AAA talent, but if and I say IF the best of Affton and Chesterfield CS came together it might even draw out some talent from other 95s not in these clubs. Maybe some of the talent that never bothered to tryout for the 95AAA because it has always been a club full of controversy and not CS for any number of reasons.

None of this matters. The big guns at AAA will see to it that there are no other AAA teams officially in St. Louis.

all I asked was to hear your plan; how would you mix the teams up? what kind of coaching do you think needs to be in place to make them a truly competitive AAA team? I am open to your viewpoint and I am merely asking you to dig a little a deeper than throwing out comments and generalizations with no basis to back it. Or is your only concern beating the current team put together- which anyone knows any team can beat another team on any given day- one game really means nothing.

None of this matters. The big guns at AAA will see to it that there are no other AAA teams officially in St. Louis.

This is the statement that is "SO" narrow minded and just wrong on so many levels that it really doesn't justify a response but here goes.

Eventually the AAA Blues will not be the only AAA team in the St. Louis area and its already happening with the St Louis Selects. Why do these so called "big guns" in St Louis want to stunt the development given by extra ice time/development which the players pay for.
How did Chicago eventually get 4 AAA teams? I guess the "big guns" up there gave in kicking and screaming, which will happen here too.

for starters, Chicago area population is 9.7M and the St. Louis area is 2.7M - good grief I guess St. Louis should have 1.25 teams to even it out.

5:59

Yes, it will happen eventually in St. Louis, but with the Blues and Missouri Hockey kicking and screaming. Were the Selects welcomed by "The Blues Big Guns" or Missouri Hockey? NO! The Cavs thrumbed their noses at those who wouldn't support it and did it anyway and for less money. It's got nothing to do with Affton or the Affton 95 CS as some may be claiming. The Affton and Chesterfield CS clubs are an example of the possibilities. It has everything to do with opening up a second choice to any kid in any club that wants to compete at a higher level, but can't get into the one club option at AAA. Your statement is nonsense as most of the people's statements supporting only one AAA club in St. Louis has been.

I thought this was a blog about mm and MM having 2 St. Louis AAA teams. Has nothing to do with the 95 Affton CS team. You Affton people can not get over yourselves. This is not about your Lil Johnny. WOW!

ditto 6:01

I thought this was a blog about mm and MM having 2 St. Louis AAA teams. Has nothing to do with the 95 Affton CS team. You Affton people can not get over yourselves. This is not about your Lil Johnny. WOW!

Since you obviously are in the dark on the matter.The Affton 95s are 8 and 5 against Tier 1 teams thus justifying enough talent to "compete" against AAA teams. This is the point of the blog. If you added Chesterfield CS top players and the Affton top players the team definitly would have enough talent to compete against any AAA team. Would they be in the top 10 ,maybe,maybe not but there is enough talent here for 2 AAA teams. Its a shame the players that are already competing with AAA teams are told they can't play AAA because there are only 17 spots open in St. Louis.
Its about every little johnny that wants to put in the time and effort to better at his/her game!

I dont get it, if Affton is only playing AAA teams, then are they not competing and developing like any other AAA team, only at less cost? seems that would be a win-win

This blog was started by someone who didn't think any birth year under 92 could field 2 AAA quality teams.The posters are making their case for certain birth years. Its not about MMinor or MMajor

Every subject on here turns into a "Affton is so great Blog". Check it out. some how they squeeze themselves into every subject, people in St. Louis do loss interest, hearing about Affton again. My point is , Affton is not AAA. The great Affton parents have been saying for years "how great they are". Well then roster a AAA team, then you have the right to be on this blog, talking about your team. Its getting very old.

I made points on this thread regarding a second AAA team and my kid plays for Chesterfield. Should the Chesterfield parents shut up as well?

10:53 you’re fine as long as you’re not from Affton.......... at least in the jealous eyes of people like 7:03 that don't even understand the rules of youth hockey enough to realize Affton can NEVER "roster a AAA team". Yet they want to tell others when they "have the right to be on this blog"...... It only reveals their incompetence.

aaa hockey is a joke. the vast majority of kids who play it are pampered whiners who have been spoon-fed their entire lives. their dads are constantly worried that the kids who play at the lower levels are better than their kids and that this fact is going to be "discovered" soon. this causes the aaa dads to kiss ass even more in order to maintain their kids place on the aaa team.

It is sure easy to tell that you have the ability to know what they majority of AAA kids are like. I know something else they are like, like making your kid look like a pylon with a jersey on him. Know what I mean Johnny shit in the pants dad?

plus who wants to pay all that money for AA coaching, outside of Gino not a coach at U16 and above that is going to make your kid a better player.

2:40 I agree 100% that just because daddy can pay for little johnnie to play AAA doesn't mean a thing about the player thats on the ice. My kid plays AA and their team can play with if not beat alot of AAA teams. Lets not even get started about that other glorified csdhl AA status you can call some teams its all a joke to me. Its all about the money or the parents.

Please tell me this...when was the last time a AA team beat a CSDHL team to win the right to go to Tier II Regionals or Nationals? The regular MOAM AA teams have a shot at proving this theory every year but yet never seem to pull it off...

How the fuck do you think a AA team can play with a team that is assembled JUST like a AAA team. CS, no matter what you think is a an all star team, so they are going to be better teams. These kids at pee wee and bantams are old enough to know what is wrong and what is right. Why doesnt Moam close the districting for Affton and Chesterfield and see how wonderful these teams are. It is so obvious that these two clubs CANNOT develope enough talent to field their own CS teams. Close the districting and CS dies a quick death. And tell me if I am wrong, but doesnt either Affton or Chesterfield get to automatically play the Moam rep even if they dont win their division at CS, whoever finish's ahead of the other in St. Louis. So in the end CS is all right but please spare me your crap that a club AA could on a regular basis compete with a team assembled totally differently!

Oct 16 944 guy

I know for a fact that "AY" hasn't been around here. When I talked to him last, he was doing some project for work.

4:53 I love it your your kid must play for one of those above average cs teams.

no my kid does not play CS. He plays BT AA and varsity soccer. You missed the whole point dumba!#@!

What does your kid playing varsity soccer have to do with anything. You sound very bitter and you obviously do not know what you are talking about. Your kid is a lousy hockey player and is possibly is lousy soccer player, too.

silly rabbit, soccer's for fags.

Sure, whatever

More teams are better!