Well I think it was your advise, and me of just getting plain ole tired of looking. Anyway I went to the Bushnell site that you posted and was looking around and saw a Bushnell Xtra-Wide 15-45x 60mm. I like it except for being non-waterproof. I think these are new for this year? So I went to a few on line stores and the MSRP was a whopping $640. The cheapest place I could find it was at b&h photo for $342.50. So I thought I would check out ebay. This guy in MT had a brand new on for a "buy it now" price of $231, he checked out okay. So I took the plunge. I guess the extra wide view will let me see other people's target so I can see just how bad a shot I am.