I'd like to invite collectors having any "rarest of the rare" to share pictures....maybe the so-called 5 rare G-men, the 3 Horrors of
War Hitler cards/H-O-W 240, the tough, tough War Newa Pictures, Wild West 25, the I'm Going to Be toughie, etc, etc, etc
You get the idea...now how about sharing.

Other collectors know the story of these rare cards better than I,
so I'd invite them to tell their story.

see the 5 rare Heinz Pilots

My thought for this thread was for single rare cards, but this is one of the rarest small sets in the hobby. To complete it is almost impossible....enjoy.....
See the Mickey Mouse with the Movie Stars

There are a number of issues in the Sports Americana that have rarely been seen. Anyone have a R193 Jitterbug Dance Step card?

The hardest to find Allen & Ginter album and almost always ripped apart because of the full page plates. Its also large for an album.

 

I know some of you have seen these, but this seems like the place to put it. The Roumania is the toughest N9 out there, and the T-64 McAlpin Lee was not known to exist until 6 months ago.

I have some tough type cards from the 30's, will try to scan them by the weekend

Can also do the WNP Dirty Dozen, Believe it or Not High # set, etc. if no one else puts them up

Dan,
Here are the 5 g-men cards your're referring to. This is one of the most popular sets from the 30s. If we only had a time machine, a penny a pack gets you candy,card and a wrapper, which most ended up in the trash!!!

PS: That complete run of Mickey Mouse w/movie stars is quite the accomplishment,congrats
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Anyone have a scan of the US Caramel Wm. McKinley? I know Mastro had one a year or two ago.

That Roumania is awesome. Here's my Corea.

That Floral Beauties album is gorgeous. Looks like the original mailer is in great shape as well.

Here are some of the tougher type cards from the R1-R200 series. Sorry, I am new to this photobucket thing so I am not sure why these are uploading so small. Anyway, I will be happy to post other type cards from that run if I have them (I think I'm missing about 15 R numbers in that sequence). If anyone can enlighten me on how to upload a normal size image I'd appreciate it. (The cards shown are R86 Cracker Jack Magic Tricks, R81 Pulver Limericks, R16 Animal Quiz cards and R9 Kerr Butterscotch Airplane Pictures)

Chuck,
Thanks for sharing, would like to get a closer look at your display. Right below choose an image, click on the uploading options,gives you a selection of different sizes. To be honest my son had to show me, otherwise I'd still be trying to figure it out.

This N559 isn't listed in Forbes/Mitchell, so it's probably somewhat rare (though certainly on a different level of importance than that incredible T64 Lee!):



These N347s also seem pretty scarce (still need the Hancock) - and given they can be dated to 1880, there probably aren't a ton out there:

To the collectors that have asked me.....
........yes, I still own this card...

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Here's Horrors of War No. 240

Horror's of War No. 277

Horror's of War No. 286

Don't own No. 283 (The third Hitler card) as yet.

Thanks, Jerry, this thread needed the Horrors of War as most
collectors, baseball and nonsports, recognize it as a PREMIER set.

Dan,

I'll take it! How much.

Eric, you asked about the price of McKinley ? Well, my joking reply would be............do you have a retirement fund ?
McKinley and the rest of that set are the only things in my collection that I can honestly call MINT.

What...this isn't the B/S/T Board?

Any idea of how many McKinley's are known?

What I can recall is that there were something like three of them which came up for sale or auction, all within a fairly short period of time, after a long stretch when nobody had ever heard of one being on the market.

Lucky Dan The Man got one of those . . . and at a tremendous eBay bargain price, as I recall. Dan, correct me if I am wrong and tell the entire story, but didn't you get your McKinley card as part of a set that was on eBay . . . with the trick being that very few others, if any, knew there was a McKinley card in there? I seem to recall $2500 for the entire set, or maybe $3k.

The other two McKinleys, I think they went in the range of $10k - $15k. Anybody?

Ralph, you are funny.....the seller said that many ebayers had asked about the McKinley and he indeed knew he had a rare card before the end of the auction.....I have saved all my emails, as the seller was thrown off of ebay the day after I mailed my postal MO...it was harrowing experience. I fully expected a scam....telling the seller
to Express Mail the set....it never came for days....his phone was disconnected. The story goes on and on....So when the package arrived, I opened it in front of a local police fraud detective. And yes, the whole MINT set was there.....As I say, there's much more to the story (I was in contact with 10+ other bidders that NEVER got their winning items)...As for the price...you're in the ballpark.. BUT remember Ralph, we ALWAYS bid HIGHER than the winning bid... I know you'd like to know what my REAL bid was, BUT I guess my ole brain just can't remember.....hahhahaha

Dan, it's a gorgeous card and you must get a warm feeling all over, whenever you look at it . . . and the set!

But some day, sounds like you've got to tell us the entire story. Ebay, fraudsters, postal inspectors, harrowing phone calls, scores of other collectors getting ripped off, (bottles of Prozac!), etc etc etc. It will make for great reading on this board ("The Story of Dan the Non-sports Man Vs. the Evil Ebay Scam Artist", wherein our hero after a circuitous route involving auctions, authorities, ne'er-do-well dealers and the like, ends up with the world's rarest non-sports card . . .)

==> Funny thing about card prices, too: as time passes, we forget what we paid, especially the rare ones. But we sure remember how nice it is to own these great piece of cardboard history!

Awesome story. I had a similar experience with my T64 Lee. I ended up opening the late package while being videotaped in case I had a problem. But it was cool!

That's what's interesting about rare cards. I guess there is at least a half dozen McKinleys and you are estimating that it is in the $10K-$15K range. I bet my one-of-a-kind (so far) Lee card doesn't go for even $1K because nobody collects the T64's since any card in the set is hard to find and nobody collects them, but the Caramel Presidents are a popular set.

You need a rare card AND a popular set to get the high prices.

Oh, dear, Eric.....I think that 10-15K price is quite low.. But since mine isn't for sale, who really cares.... As for your Lee, just keep showing it...here on this board and who knows what can happen....

that $15K mark. Thought I'd seen one go in the 50-60K range one time. Might have been dreaming or something.............

Just going with what Ralph wrote. But I guess he was talking about others that could be in much worse condition. But it looks like your has a mark and some pinholes

Seriously, how do you grade something like this. Technically it is EX-MT without the cancellations. But can you grade it that when there is the possibility an uncancelled one exists that truly is in that grade?

Well, Tom, if you saw that amount in one of your dreams, can I come over some night and we can have a sleepover...hahhaha Joking of course....I was offered a SECOND McKinley for 30,000 a year after I got mine.. I refused...But if it had been a diff. rarity (WildWest 25)or (I-Want-To-Be "toughie"), I would have pondered a bit.

Robert,

I love the N559 Ivory Governor. When I first got the Mitchell & Forbes book 5-6 years ago, I made that set a priority to work on.......I'm not doing too good on that task.

I'm really enjoying this forum. My uploaded photos are also small, but will try the aformentioned suggestion. Also, are we able to edit posts?

...why is the Roumania the toughest N9, did it get pulled early?

and not be anonymous. Think it'll allow you to edit then.

Rich, your five G-men card's conditions are simply awesome. Thanks for sharing. You have to really proud of your g-men collection. I've never seen a super condition #28, so that alone impressed me.

An N224 Vatican card (toughest of the 3).

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2 beautiful cards David, I love the backs (also Robert's N347 backs, classic 19th century).

Really, the entire thread is full of great cards and new information to me. I sense we've been looking for this daily stop for a long time, feels good to have found it.

 

 

I was actually the owner of the 2nd McKinley card. Right after the first one went for $10000 in the nonsports auction, I went to a bankruptcy auction of a guy's card collection in Massachusetts. The whole auction was cards including many 1940's-50's complete sets. Everything was lotted in large groups, including a large group of 1950's football sets, all as one lot. They lotted all the non sports cards in shoe boxes with elastics around it. I can't tell you the feeling when I went through the box with the Presidents set. It was lot #139 or something like that. I ended up checking the box every 5 minutes so nothing hokey was going to happen. There were several non sports guys in the room, so I figured this was going to cost me.

I watched as several of the boxes of non sports cards (all about Good condition cards) went for about $500.00 each. Finally lot #139 showed up, and I hammered it for $600.00.

I ended up selling the Goood condition set with the McKinley at Fort Washington for $10,000.00. It would be nice to have it back, but being a dealer, I can reflect on numerous items that are now worth multiples of my selling price. A 5-figure profit was nice that day also.

Rich W.

Great story, Rich, thanks!
What an incredible rush that must have been to buy that box for such a pittance@

Glad to know I'm not losing it, yet . . . the ol' memory was saying that two went in the $10k-$15k range . . . I remember that Roxanne Toser also auctioned on off.

Beautiful N256s. I'm collecting that set raw as well as the N259s. I've been randomly pickingup Lorillards one by one until I realized I was over half way on those two sets.
Keith - I echo your sentiments. This is a very cool board. I see Tom is the forum owner - thanks for bringing this place alive.

Since Ralph asked me to post a picture of the Heinz map and since it certainly is one of my most treasured collectibles, I am sharing it here....I, too think there might be 3 known.....Note there are 24 pilots and 25 planes...no Lindberg card depicted, probably because they had Lindy's large picture in the top center..........Also, please, please consider subscribing to Les Davis' The Wrapper magazine for nonsports collectors. No, I don't have stock nor have any vested interest...it's just a super publication.

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Richard and others: For some reason I'm still having trouble getting normal sized images to post. Let me see if posting the photobucket url will work:
(R81 Pulver Limericks, R9 Kerr Butterscotch Airplane Pictures, R16 York Caramel Animal Quiz cards, R86 Cracker Jack Magic Tricks)

Dan, that wondereful map reminds me of a question that I'm yet to resolve about the Heinz Aviators set. (I also have some magazine advertising to accompany my map, promoting teachers to use the map and cards to teach class.)

You know, we see those albums for this set, and the Famous Airplanes set, appearing all the time. They are in the category of "nice to have" but are everywhere. Not scarce in the least.

My question is whether some of them might reflect the variation cards (Hughes, Musick, Earhart, Hawks, Ingalls) as the cards named in the album . . . In other words, there may be 'variation albums' out there.

Also, any idea who 'whitezima' is on eBay -- seems to be a very advanced collector, not too much into cards, but ALL OVER the Heinz Aviators issue. He can be counted upon to emerge with a super-heavy snipe and has jumped on the last several variation cards to pop up on eBay, absolutely blasting the price.

I wonder if I'll ever get my final two (need Earhart and Hawks), have multiples of the others . . .

Great cards eveyone. So far, I'd love to own every card shown. Keep them coming.

OK, now that I seem to have figured out how to post, here are some more very tough R cards from the 30's. They are R31 Phoebe Phelps College Pennants, R37 Crime Did Not Pay, R38 Glenn Confection Comic Faces and R87 Milkes Make Faces.

Les has been self-publishing this incredible magazine for as long as I can remember and all he makes back is the cost of subscription and advertising. Every self-respecting NS collector should support his efforts, grab a subscription and settle in for a night of great reading.

Here's his website:

http://www.thewrappermagazine.com/

I don't know how rare this is or if anyone cares but I thought it was pretty neat. I think it is from 1933 due the Chicago World's Fair pins included (and only 500 different pins to collect!). I got this out of an old scrap book that also contained over 250 chewing gum wrappers.

those baseball pins were believed to be Cracker Jack pins........or maybe Cracker Jack ALSO used them. I have 21/25 of them and some of the Presidents. Is there an ACC# for the pins?

Because of this thread, I was wondering "Gil, how uncommon are rare cards in this hobby"? So, not having a clue, I set out to get one. But really my only reference was the 20+ year old SportAmericana Guide for the '30s. But any fact was better than no fact, so I plodded along.

I got about one third through it, only seeking entire set rarity (not individual card rarity) and this is what I saw:


R9 Airplane Pictures – redeemed for model airplane kit
R34 Crime Did Not Pay – distribution and issuer unknown
R?-unc. Do You Know Discs – distribution and issuer unknown, product not identified
R-unc. Sports Pictures, C.A. Briggs – redemption for bat, ball, glove or chocolate
R117 Presidents – American Chicle, redeemed for bike, football, glove, skates, etc.
R120 Remember Pearl Harbor – Box (candy?) cut out
R140 Krat Soldiers <10 identified
R141 General Gum Soldiers of the World ~10 identified
R143 Scrapbook Series – Box (candy?) cut out
R192 Lefferts Novelty Soldiers – candy box cut out ~10 identified
R195 Shelby Quiz – Transfer Gum – No picture on card, only quiz question, package may have also contained a water soluble tattoo type or other “transfer”.
R203 How To <10 cards identified


Comments?

hahahha.....I thought I had the only Button Gum wrapper....
It's humbling to see Todd's rendition....congrats, Todd

The checklist comprises the baseball players, presidents,indians,western and military heros....corrections gladly accepted
.....
Indians -- Western & Military Heros
Joseph Brant....King Phillip....Massasoit....Oceola....Red Cloud.... Red Jacket....Sounding Sky....Tecumseh....Weasel Calf....White Cap....Kit Carson....Capt Clark....Capt Lewis....Capt Payne....Daniel Boone....David Crockett....Gen Harney....Gen McClellan....Gen Putnam....Wild Bill Hickcok.... White Beaver
Movie Stars
Richard Arlen George Bancroft Warren Baxter Constance Bennent
Joan Bennent Claudette Colbert Ronald Colman Jackie Cooper
Marion Davies Marlene Dietrich Richard Dix Marie Dressler
Sally Ellers Charles Farrell Clark Gable Greta Garbo
Janet Gaynor Helen Hayes Buster Keaton Fredrick March
Tom Mix & Tony Robert Montgomery Ramon Navarro Will Rogers
Norma Smeader

Berry, Charles
Cissell, Bill
Cuyler, Kiki
Dean, Dizzy
Ferrell, Wes
Frisch, Frankie
Gehrig, Lou
Gomez, Lefty
Goslin, Goose
Grantham, George
Grimm, Charlie
Grove, Lefty
Hartnett, Gabby
Jackson, Travis
Lazzeri, Tony
Lyons, Ted
Maranville, Rabbit
Reynolds, Carl
Ruffing, Red
Simmons, Al
Suhr, Gus
Terry, Bill
Vance, Dazzy
Waner, Paul
Warneke, Lon

Gil: A nice list of some tough cards. There are a number of issues that are in the ACC but not in Benjamin's book, which I assume means that Burdick saw one but Chris Benjamin couldn't find one (In Benjamin's index he lists all the ACC numbers and these are noted as "not in book"). Those are all super tough, made even tougher by Burdick not leaving many clues as to the appearance of some of these. One that I did find (actually Dan found it and got it to me because he knew of my type card obsession) was R47 Famous Moments in American History. I wrote an article in the Wrapper a while back on that one. I also wrote a Wrapper article on the R192 Lefferts soldiers a few years back. A number of complete boxes of that set have surfaced in the last five years. I don't think R120 Remember Pearl Harbor and the Briggs cards, while tough, are as hard to find as the others on your list. By the way, I've always felt that Burdick made a mistake by listing the Holloway cards separately (R2, R7, R35, etc) as these, when found, have typically been found in strips of six with a card from each subset on the strip.

Also, the Do you Know disc wrapper was on eBay a number of years ago. I didn't win it (damn!) but I think I saved a copy of the image somewhere (maybe someone else on the board did as well and can post it). I do remember that the name of the issue was Zoo-Rang candy and that the discs and candy came with a little boomerang.

Chuck

P.S. Many of us keep mentioning the Wrapper as a resource for collectibles. I consider the magazine itself a sort of collectible. I finally managed last year to fill in my complete run of Wrappers back to the beginning...I would consider that among one of the tougher challenges I've taken on.

Here is a complete box from Heroes of Pearl Harbor(R66).The other side features Private Elmer South. The little metal battleship was in the box when I received it, don't know if it originally came with the box? You see detached cards from time to time, but not usually the complete box. According to the Benjamin guide these are worth double than the R120 boxes.

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Richard, I love that complete box, it is awesome!!! Am jealous as can be!

Certainly some great items in this thread!

Most of the stuff I've never seen and you can't see it anywhere else.

Thanks for sharing all, I keep comin back to see whats been added since last look .

 

R5 Wischmann's Aeroplane wrapper....I found it years ago, there may be others out there but I've never seen another

Chuck
There are two others that I know of, the one I was outbid on, and the one I received a second chance offer on. Rare is a temporary thing anyways, especially in nonsports which is being rewritten daily. Burdick and Benjamin are not just outdated, they are obsolete. There is more material missing from, than contained in their guides. Which Briggs card was short printed? Name the 108 Orbit gum actors and actresses. Give me a checklist for Tip-Top Dick Tracy, Four Star movie Stars, Shotwell Suzanna's. Which Dell Subscription Pictures are hardest to find? There are "known' rarities, the old School rarities of Mckinley and Strongman; and the "unknown" rarities which have yet to be discovered. The nonsport hobby has never looked brighter.

Jim, you are absolutely right that the ACC is missing a ton of stuff. Benjamin's books, while obviously a labor of love, also are missing many items which have surfaced once the internet brought the hobby together more effectively. There are also conflicts between the Sports Americana books and the ACC. For example, I wrote an article a few years ago pointing out that the Benjamin book had the wrong item listed for R183 Thurston's Magic Tricks (at least wrong in the sense that it wasn't the same item Burdick had listed). The internet has given everyone a much greater sense of what is truly rare, scarce, tough and so on. Now even a beginning collector can observe eBay for a while and then be able to laugh at a listing for a Horrors of War common that calls the card "rare". Twenty years ago, you might have believed the seller.

I personally like the oddball "uncataloged" items that I have, but I decided for my type cards to focus on what was in the ACC just because it was a fixed list of cards that provided a theoretically completable (is that word?) target. If you wanted to get an example of every gum and candy card made in the 30's you would never finish because new ones keep popping up. Anyway, I think this is why an idea like Todd Riley's, an online, constantly updated, catalog is essential.

Chuck
I don't think a one man effort, such as Riley's or Watson's, can accomplish the task. The first baseball card book "The Sports Collector's Bible", Bert Randolph Sugar 1975, was a collaboration of experts. Each one documenting a certain area of collectibles, but the hobby grew from that point, with numerous contributions from a wide array of people.
Non sports has never made such an attempt. Non sports, it seems, has always limited itself to a few types of cards. No attempt has ever been made to publish a bible, parallel to sports, which includes Burdick's blueprint for M cards, W cards, U cards etc. This would require an organization of some type, which will never happen.

Jim: Maybe what we need is a catalog that is a "wiki", like wikipedia. Basically a catalog constructed and edited by the entire hobby with a small board of reviewers for quality control (i.e. if someone posts that a #283 Hitler card in NMt goes for $25 the board can delete it). For those of you not familiar with the concept, here's a definition of a wiki that's actually from wikipedia (which is some sort of bootstrap philosophical conundrum I don't wish to explore):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki

In a way, this board serves as a nonsports wiki of sorts, though the information that passes through here is not saved in as organized a way.

Chuck

Love it.......great concept of the bootstrap philosophical conundrum......

As for saving the board.....the Vintage Baseball Forum has been active since about 9/12/2001 (purely coincidental I believe) and the threads are all still there (unless the benevolent dictator moderator Leon deleted them....Hi Leon) and relatively searchable.....I say 'relatively' because I have found the Network 54 search functionality to be mediocre at best. They recently sent me an 'alpha' version of their new board system that'll be up SOMEDAY and it looked pretty good. Somewhat better functionality. Didn't get to test the search function too much.....anyway, when we get enough critical mass here, we should see more benefits from search.

All you guys have WAAAYYY more knowledge than I--especially on the 1930's-1970's issues. And it seems to be coming out, so thanks for that!!!

Condition is terrible, but it's a nice piece of history.
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B. Butcher,

love those cards, must have back damage, many rare cards but few desirable ones, i like yours.

Along the lines of a previous post, I was wondering if anyone could assist with completing the following checklist. I believe that this set may have previously been written up in one of the sports card periodicals...

SPORT PICTURES
‘33 - C.A. Briggs Co., 56 x 84 mm
U.S.A. , 31 numbered cards


1 - Yachting
2 -
3 - Horse Racing
4 - Diving
5 -
6 -
7 -
8 -
9 -
10 - Running
11 -
12 -
13 -
14 - Hurdling
15 -
16 - Polo
17 -
18 - Ice Boating
19 - Boxing
20 - Hunting
21 - Auto Racing
22 - Gymnastics
23 - Tennis
24 -
25 - Golf
26 - Coasting
27 - Speed Boat
28 - Skiing
29 - Marbles
30 - Aviation
31 -

Thanks, Chris

Don't know if this is the right thread, but here goes.

Can anyone post a scan of THEIR strongman card from I'M GOING TO BE
or
Can anyone post an OLD PIC of the strongman card from I'M GOING TO BE

I'd just love to see a color picture.

Sorry pal...ain't got one, have never seen one for sale

Since this had one of the highest number of posts, I thought I'd take the
oppurtunity to bring it to the top.

Would just like to say that I am happy to see some nice people who are posting to this site. My first time here. Tonight i was a bit bored and linked in thru one of my continuous eBay searches. Advertising and links DO work. Advertising was certainly what lead to the early successes of the tobacco companies and in ancillary fashion lead to cards. There are many rare cards and even rare sets pre-monopoly. In fact most 19th century cards are rare when you're actually looking to get one of them and most often it's a a common just to make it hurt more. There are just about enough 20th century cards and enough literature to know what's rare. Not so ez in 19th century america. Here is a scan of topugher card to find in Sunny South series of Mammy at the cabin window and a nice advertising cabinet card with silk. My thoughts are that someone from Allen & Ginter met Thomas Stevens (Stevengraph) at one of the world exhibitions that they mutually attended (certainly the Paris Exp in 1893 but I think a bit earlier). I need to google Archer (the jockey) and exactly when he died as it may help.

Over the years I have sold a good number of my rare cards on ebay (or to Martin Murray when I visit the U.K.). I am more of a catch and release kind of collector (except with Canadian Stuff). However here are a few that I have not been able to let go of (that being said one of these cards will more than likely be coming to a Mastro Auction near you soon…go on guess which one..) I shiver to think of the stuff that my parents sold back in the 70’s and 80’s (yes that includes one of those Hienz Aviation Maps that they picked up at the Market in Clarence NY for $40.00).



















Anyone can feel free to copy these images for their own personal files, but if you end up publishing them in anyway (online/website/print ect.) please credit me for the images in the forum that you published on. Cheers Jay

Three things

1. Of course, I am very impressed.
2. Embarrassed to ask ..what is the significance of the cowboy card ?
3. (sheepishly) Want to put your "Marquis" with my "McKinley" together at Mastros in 3 years ? (sheepishly)

Jay - what is the reverse on that Exciting Game card?

Surely its not Hassan?

and don't call him Shirley.......

Okay, I've officially lost it.......

I've had three of the Exciting Game pass through my hands, two weber bread and one ganong gum.

Hi All,
The Exciting Game card would be one of the rare-est "T"cards ever issued if it was a Hassan Back. The ATC co pulled that card from thier series for some reason or other (promoting gambling?). Sadly the back of the example i have shown is a Canadian Chewing Gum Issue and relatively common. Has anyone ever heard of or seen a Hassan back before?
Cheers
Jay

Hey Dan,
That would be a great auction, but you have to wonder who would be able to afford both at one time. The Marquis may be on the block at this April Mastro Auction.
Cheers
Jay

Jay knows of what he speaks .

 

The story I remember reading is that there were concerns about the card being a little too violent for consumers' tastes, so it was pulled. Considering how many playing card tobacco inserts there were, I'm not so sure they were as concerned about gambling .

If you look at the picture - you will see packs of cigarettes and/or tobacco on the table.........in the original artwork there is a pack of HASSAN Cigarettes......and the picture appeared to show someone being killed over a pack of Hassan. Whether this is the story, or because it was gambling, or whatever - perhaps we will never know.

Wanted to revive this old thread, and feel this one qualifies. Hopefully, others will have something new to add. For those unaware, 1956 Topps Crockett, with rare "AMBUSH" back of card.
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I made it all the way down here, so I might as well contribute.
From Overland Candy. Walt Disney picture R162

I didn't think we were posting to this thread anymore. I wonder how long it took Richard to find it?

But it is not taking as long to load as before since the poster using the N54 servers have lost their images.

We should start this again with separate posts for the N cards, T cards, R cards, Albums, and Other.

Jim,
I've never seen one of these Overland Disney cards before, do they measure a bit more than 5 x 7 ?

Yes Richard, and they are not a card as in cardboard. More like a thick print.

A real pleasure to see one!

I have enjoyed reading all of the good and entertaining information from the Chat Board for months. It's an extremely informative forum and a real enhancement to the hobby of collecting non-sports cards.

That said, I read this board about two weeks ago, and was waiting for someone to post a picture of #25 from the Wild West Series. Since no one has done so, I hopefully am submitting a picture of the front and backside of this item (I'm not very good at uploading pictures, but hopefully this works).

Also, I have always wondered why Gum Inc. decided to print only the #26 to #49 cards without the puzzle back.

Finally, since there is no posting of this card yet, is there any information out there regarding how scarce the card is?

Bill: It's one of the nonsports cards for which "rare" is appropriate (as opposed to "scarce"). I only know of 2 that have been for sale in my time in the hobby. Doesn't look like your scan came through though.

Well, I was right--I blew it. Will try again, hope this works.

could you send us a back pic?

Sorry for all the trouble--think I'm getting it.

Bill,

It's a real thrill knowing that one of the forum members not only
has the card, but has chosen to share it.

Thanks so much

and welcome

Could you tell us the history behind acquiring the card?

Not to start the graded,raw thing again, but THAT is a card that I would get graded. It is a thrill to see one again.

Hi Chris--few more titles I know of are:
2=hockey
6=surf riding
7=skating
8=basket ball
9=trotting
11=football
13=wrestling
24=baseball

I believe that "motor sports" and "bowling" are additional titles, but have not seen them---hopefully someone else can fill in the gaps---Don

Here is the information on the C.A. Briggs

http://www.homestead.com/spcgaz/37.html

Only one I have seen ever with a coupon-

Saw the thread for the rare G-Men and looked thru a recent find. I have enclosed photos of all 5. Are these variations?

I was the original discoverer of these cards both of which were in my father's and my uncle's collections.Both cards were found in the same house within a year of each other.They were part of a very significant collection of 1930's trade cards of which I still posess today.
The first card went for $10,000 and the second was scuriously sold for $5000.00.(I had 3 kids in college and needed the money and the buyer was informed of this by the middlemen involved)!I included the other 30 cards because I didn't think the set should be broken up. I have yet another complete set of 30 (sans Mckinley)plus many single duplicates in various states of wear.

I just read again (here on forum I believe ) how couple of these were found with a letter explaining why there were so few 25's made--anyone have the letter? From what I can recall, I guess there are at least 6 of these? similar to McK in number--anyone have the uncancelled McK?






Dan--I know you like the TM stuff---this is 10x6 inches, but I believe there is a smaller one I can't find--anyone have image handy?

There you have it. Documented proof that they were as full of crap in the 30s as they are today. ~"our aim in putting out this outfit was not as a prize or a premium, just a little extra for ..."

Oh yes, now that doesn't sound like double talk. BS.

this is some terrific reading, thx to all!

"McKinley and the rest of that set are the only things in my collection that I can honestly call MINT."

But Dan, how can it be mint with two holes in it? Was that PSA that graded it Mint?
(Just kidding.)

I hope you guys don't mind me posting a pinback rather than a card but I'm learning that this may be one of the toughest cartoon pinbacks out there. Thanks!

i am not a pin collector, nor have taken interest in any, BUT that is a cool one and if i saw it i would certainly buy it (not knowing its rare) thx